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I do not wish to edit...rather to inform. The section on Mel's death is in nearly complete conflict with information from his Son Neal, contained as a video interview/commentary here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRlmb0xAtBs .Starts at 1:02:00..for about 15 sec. Perhaps someone could review and in the interest of accuracy make the appropriate change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.156.144 ( talk) 07:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
I don't doubt his son's story. In fact, what he's saying is likely true. However, it contradicts numerous sources, which say his cause of death was emphysema and heart disease, not "falling out of his hospital bed and breaking his leg, releasing fat emboli into his brain, causing a stroke". Again, I don't think he's making it up, in fact, I'm 98% sure that that is what happened, but him simply saying that, contradicting media reports, is not reliable enough. Look up sources from media outlets from after his death, every single one says he either died of heart disease, with emphysema as a contributing factor, or vice versa. Dpm12 ( talk) 10:22, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
I was simply telling the OP why Noel is not a reliable source, and the side comments were related that. What I was saying had everything to do with the topic at hand. And, having been a registered member for 11 years, I'm quite aware that the talkpage is not meant as a springboard for message board type discussions. I was simply just mentioning why Noel is not a neutral source, and added my own two cents in addition. That isn't a crime. Dpm12 ( talk) 13:13, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Could it at least be noted that there is some contention that cannot be proven? Wiesnerc ( talk) 23:41, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
There appears to be an argument about what is and is not a credible source. From what I have always understood about citing on wikipedia, credible newspapers such as the New York Times are allowed to be used for a source. What could also be used, provided it is placed properly, is actually the IMDB page for Blanc or the Road Runner, as all of the films or shows have already been released. Though he was not the main voice of the Road Runner-which the honor goes to Paul Julian-he did provide the voice now and again for the Warner Bros. company. Tapper930 ( talk) 01:18, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I added a sentence describing that Mel Blanc and his son Noel created their production company, Blanc Communications Corporation, in 1962. I felt that this extra bit of Mel Blanc's history is important, as it explains his ability to work with numerous stars on over 5000 radio and television commercials. This is part of Mel's work history!
I properly cited my added statement by providing web references to his company and its official web contact page. Within 15 minutes, a user named Binkersnet deleted the sentence. Believeing it was a simple mistake by Binkersnet, I undid his edit and returned my original edit. Then Binkersnet was apparently offended and placed an "Edit War" notification on my account. Why??? I only reported a legitimate part of Mel Blanc's history. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wordsandpictures ( talk • contribs) 23:57, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
First, please accept my sincere apology to all for creating an unwitting edit war (Yikes!) or appearance of conflict-of-interest when posting my minor edit of the page "Mel Blanc" referring to Mel Blanc's production company, Blanc Communications Corporation. I’ll confess: I'm a complete neophyte to Wikipedia (which is probably quite apparent already). As such, I mistakenly assumed that I needed to provide citations validating the actual existence of Mel's radio and television production company, Blanc Communications Corporation. In hindsight I can see how my selected citations appeared promotional in nature, rather than informational. I wish to assure you and all concerned editors that this was not my intention. During the Mel Blanc Associates/Blanc Communications years, Mel and his son Noel produced over 5000 public service announcements and commercials featuring major stars like Kirk Douglas, Lucille Ball, Vincent Price, Phyllis Diller, Liberace, the rock band The Who, and of course Mel himself. It is for the above reason that I wanted to include Blanc Communications as a vital — and colorful — part of Mel Blanc's career. Below I have pasted links to two historically-focused, outside Web references that are NOT controlled by myself or Blanc Communications Corporation. Is there any way for you to evaluate the links listed below and see if they represent unbiased references? Here they are: https://www.encyclopedia.com/media/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/blanc-mel-1908-1989, https://archive.org/stream/ThatsNotAllFolksByMelBlancAndPhilipBasheStarbrite/Thats_Not_All_Folks_by_Mel_Blanc_and_Philip_Bashe_%28Starbrite%29_djvu.txt I hope these are sufficient replacement citations for the previous ones I ignorantly placed in my edit of the Mel Blanc page. Editor Binksternet felt that the suggested replacements above are good. Please let me know if these references would allow my edit to be restored, or if you have suggestions for a better edit that shares the Blanc Communications era as part of his life history. Kindest Regards, wordsandpictures Wordsandpictures ( talk) 19:23, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you all very much for your help. It's a steep learning curve, but the lessons learned are crucial. And I'm grateful that Wikipedia editors are so careful in making sure that information on this site is as accurate and factual as possible. Kudos to you!
In searching for additional credible Web-based sources for Mel Blanc's company Blanc Communications Corporation, I did find this book: https://www.amazon.com/Mel-Blanc-Man-Thousand-Voices/dp/1593932596/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537904866&sr=1-1&keywords=mel+blanc.
Actually, there are numerous references to Mel's company. However, a large percentage of those are Web archived in PDF format (I don't know how to cite those). And unfortunately Mel Blanc Associates and Blanc Communications never had much of a Web presence -- not only was their work created pre-Internet, but the company never maintained a website referencing its history.
To further complicate Web searches for Mel's company, there is now a 4 year-old media startup using the dba "Blanc Communications". The young proprietress of this dba has plastered her sound-alike company name all over the Web and social media -- creating further difficulties for a searcher to discern Mel's California-based Blanc Communications CORPORATION from the newer (also California-based) Blanc Communications startup. Sigh...
wordsandpictures Wordsandpictures ( talk) 20:31, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
I have some books on order, and plan on using them to improve this article.
So far, I am thinking of adding the following to the later career section (subject to being able to verify the info with proper citations once I have the books):
Books I have on order:
Blanc, Mel (1908-1989) St. James Encyclopedia of Popular Culture (I have the 2000 edition on order from Amazon and will verify the citation when it arrives. Alas, the latest (2013) edition costs over a thousand dollars.)
Mel Blanc: The Man of a Thousand Voices by Ben Ohmart (I have this on order from Amazon)
[That's Not All Folks by Mel Blanc (I have this on order from Amazon)
Melvin the Mouth by Katherine Blanc (I have this on order from Amazon)
No doubt I will have more to add later. Any suggestions as to what to add to the article and what to cite are welcome. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 15:38, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I'm outta' here for a bit. wordsandpictures Wordsandpictures ( talk) 23:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
References
According to Wickedpedia and Disney Wiki, he voiced the stray dogs in Lady and the Tramp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:4701:C4A0:CC13:E4C7:E2F:2679 ( talk) 17:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Guy Macon: What specific value do you feel is offered by the Find-a-Grave link? Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
... the blank/blanc caveat works much better as an efn than hidden (
ahem);
Mel's name is (seriously) redundant with the Benny cast;
Snafu belongs farther down the page;
captioning a headstone is ...
Never freakin' mind.
--
Oblio4 (
talk) 02:16, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
p.s.
In the Death section, the time of death is formatted as 2:30 p.m. ,
with a non-breaking space before and after the p.m.
. In English, commas should be immediately after a clause, however, so I wanted to propose removing the second non-breaking space. If there is concern that a break might occur, we could instead use ⁠
, the word joiner character.
Canned Soul (
talk) 17:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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I do not wish to edit...rather to inform. The section on Mel's death is in nearly complete conflict with information from his Son Neal, contained as a video interview/commentary here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRlmb0xAtBs .Starts at 1:02:00..for about 15 sec. Perhaps someone could review and in the interest of accuracy make the appropriate change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.156.144 ( talk) 07:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
I don't doubt his son's story. In fact, what he's saying is likely true. However, it contradicts numerous sources, which say his cause of death was emphysema and heart disease, not "falling out of his hospital bed and breaking his leg, releasing fat emboli into his brain, causing a stroke". Again, I don't think he's making it up, in fact, I'm 98% sure that that is what happened, but him simply saying that, contradicting media reports, is not reliable enough. Look up sources from media outlets from after his death, every single one says he either died of heart disease, with emphysema as a contributing factor, or vice versa. Dpm12 ( talk) 10:22, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
I was simply telling the OP why Noel is not a reliable source, and the side comments were related that. What I was saying had everything to do with the topic at hand. And, having been a registered member for 11 years, I'm quite aware that the talkpage is not meant as a springboard for message board type discussions. I was simply just mentioning why Noel is not a neutral source, and added my own two cents in addition. That isn't a crime. Dpm12 ( talk) 13:13, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Could it at least be noted that there is some contention that cannot be proven? Wiesnerc ( talk) 23:41, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
There appears to be an argument about what is and is not a credible source. From what I have always understood about citing on wikipedia, credible newspapers such as the New York Times are allowed to be used for a source. What could also be used, provided it is placed properly, is actually the IMDB page for Blanc or the Road Runner, as all of the films or shows have already been released. Though he was not the main voice of the Road Runner-which the honor goes to Paul Julian-he did provide the voice now and again for the Warner Bros. company. Tapper930 ( talk) 01:18, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I added a sentence describing that Mel Blanc and his son Noel created their production company, Blanc Communications Corporation, in 1962. I felt that this extra bit of Mel Blanc's history is important, as it explains his ability to work with numerous stars on over 5000 radio and television commercials. This is part of Mel's work history!
I properly cited my added statement by providing web references to his company and its official web contact page. Within 15 minutes, a user named Binkersnet deleted the sentence. Believeing it was a simple mistake by Binkersnet, I undid his edit and returned my original edit. Then Binkersnet was apparently offended and placed an "Edit War" notification on my account. Why??? I only reported a legitimate part of Mel Blanc's history. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wordsandpictures ( talk • contribs) 23:57, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
First, please accept my sincere apology to all for creating an unwitting edit war (Yikes!) or appearance of conflict-of-interest when posting my minor edit of the page "Mel Blanc" referring to Mel Blanc's production company, Blanc Communications Corporation. I’ll confess: I'm a complete neophyte to Wikipedia (which is probably quite apparent already). As such, I mistakenly assumed that I needed to provide citations validating the actual existence of Mel's radio and television production company, Blanc Communications Corporation. In hindsight I can see how my selected citations appeared promotional in nature, rather than informational. I wish to assure you and all concerned editors that this was not my intention. During the Mel Blanc Associates/Blanc Communications years, Mel and his son Noel produced over 5000 public service announcements and commercials featuring major stars like Kirk Douglas, Lucille Ball, Vincent Price, Phyllis Diller, Liberace, the rock band The Who, and of course Mel himself. It is for the above reason that I wanted to include Blanc Communications as a vital — and colorful — part of Mel Blanc's career. Below I have pasted links to two historically-focused, outside Web references that are NOT controlled by myself or Blanc Communications Corporation. Is there any way for you to evaluate the links listed below and see if they represent unbiased references? Here they are: https://www.encyclopedia.com/media/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/blanc-mel-1908-1989, https://archive.org/stream/ThatsNotAllFolksByMelBlancAndPhilipBasheStarbrite/Thats_Not_All_Folks_by_Mel_Blanc_and_Philip_Bashe_%28Starbrite%29_djvu.txt I hope these are sufficient replacement citations for the previous ones I ignorantly placed in my edit of the Mel Blanc page. Editor Binksternet felt that the suggested replacements above are good. Please let me know if these references would allow my edit to be restored, or if you have suggestions for a better edit that shares the Blanc Communications era as part of his life history. Kindest Regards, wordsandpictures Wordsandpictures ( talk) 19:23, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you all very much for your help. It's a steep learning curve, but the lessons learned are crucial. And I'm grateful that Wikipedia editors are so careful in making sure that information on this site is as accurate and factual as possible. Kudos to you!
In searching for additional credible Web-based sources for Mel Blanc's company Blanc Communications Corporation, I did find this book: https://www.amazon.com/Mel-Blanc-Man-Thousand-Voices/dp/1593932596/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537904866&sr=1-1&keywords=mel+blanc.
Actually, there are numerous references to Mel's company. However, a large percentage of those are Web archived in PDF format (I don't know how to cite those). And unfortunately Mel Blanc Associates and Blanc Communications never had much of a Web presence -- not only was their work created pre-Internet, but the company never maintained a website referencing its history.
To further complicate Web searches for Mel's company, there is now a 4 year-old media startup using the dba "Blanc Communications". The young proprietress of this dba has plastered her sound-alike company name all over the Web and social media -- creating further difficulties for a searcher to discern Mel's California-based Blanc Communications CORPORATION from the newer (also California-based) Blanc Communications startup. Sigh...
wordsandpictures Wordsandpictures ( talk) 20:31, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
I have some books on order, and plan on using them to improve this article.
So far, I am thinking of adding the following to the later career section (subject to being able to verify the info with proper citations once I have the books):
Books I have on order:
Blanc, Mel (1908-1989) St. James Encyclopedia of Popular Culture (I have the 2000 edition on order from Amazon and will verify the citation when it arrives. Alas, the latest (2013) edition costs over a thousand dollars.)
Mel Blanc: The Man of a Thousand Voices by Ben Ohmart (I have this on order from Amazon)
[That's Not All Folks by Mel Blanc (I have this on order from Amazon)
Melvin the Mouth by Katherine Blanc (I have this on order from Amazon)
No doubt I will have more to add later. Any suggestions as to what to add to the article and what to cite are welcome. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 15:38, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I'm outta' here for a bit. wordsandpictures Wordsandpictures ( talk) 23:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
References
According to Wickedpedia and Disney Wiki, he voiced the stray dogs in Lady and the Tramp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:4701:C4A0:CC13:E4C7:E2F:2679 ( talk) 17:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Guy Macon: What specific value do you feel is offered by the Find-a-Grave link? Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
... the blank/blanc caveat works much better as an efn than hidden (
ahem);
Mel's name is (seriously) redundant with the Benny cast;
Snafu belongs farther down the page;
captioning a headstone is ...
Never freakin' mind.
--
Oblio4 (
talk) 02:16, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
p.s.
In the Death section, the time of death is formatted as 2:30 p.m. ,
with a non-breaking space before and after the p.m.
. In English, commas should be immediately after a clause, however, so I wanted to propose removing the second non-breaking space. If there is concern that a break might occur, we could instead use ⁠
, the word joiner character.
Canned Soul (
talk) 17:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)