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The authors of the first paragraph have a motivation of suppression of new ideas. the journal is titled "Medical Hypotheses" not "Medical Facts". Many of the "accepted" journals have published very sketchy data - have had papers retracted - have had too much influence of pharma or corporations in the data - yet they are considered "acceptable".
who is in charge of the first paragraph? It should be rewritten. Medical Hypotheses has a peer review process. Peer reviewed articles accepted for publication are do not take away from the scientific community - they advance what we know and understand. Should the title of the journal change to "Medical Facts" - then I would understand the confusion - yet as the title is, this journal should not be shunned because it is open source. Vegaproc ( talk) 17:30, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
I passed this way and had a look and was surprised, disgusted would be more accurate, to see such an unbalanced biased article. In all seriousness it presents a very distorted view. It certainly does not present all points of view, in fact no other points of view. A few minutes on Google demonstrated that. I have no particular interest in the matter, except to see Wiki fairly represent the subject. For instance with such an emminent Editorial Board including nobel laureates does anyone seriously beleive that it publishes only fringe crank ideas and porn? Because that is the impression this Article currently gives. The article does not include in balance say any examples of ground breaking ideas first presented there, and why not?
The definition of hypotheses is a proposition proposed as an explanation for the occurance of some specified group of phenomina, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts. To suggest that Medical Hypotheses publishes only the former is an insult to the intelligence of readers. Given many articles before expounding an hypotheses contain lengthy reviews of literature that in themselves are worthy of referencing.
Now as to the edit I recently made in some haste I admit, it might need some fine tuning, but 'synthesis' what synthesis? I attached references and links that support the statements so perhaps these are not understood? BRD discuss, and to aid this I moved my edit to this page;
Whilst criticised for lack of peer review, Medical Hypotheses instead uses editorial review, a process the US National Library of Medicine and Medline find acceptable for its peer review process for listing |title=MEDLINE® Journal Selection Fact Sheet |format= |work= |accessdate Medline and as a reliable source (medicine related articles) as suitable for citation on Wikipedia MEDRS The founder of the journal is said not to have beleived in peer review however this article by Prof Horrobin in the journal Trends in Pharmacological Sciences, in 2001 shows instead he called for change Why not apply scientific methods to the peer review process? For 30 years or so, I and others have been pointing out the fallibility of peer review and have been calling for much more openness and objective evaluation of its procedures [3-5]. For the most part, the scientific establishment, its journals, and its grant-giving bodies have resisted such open evaluation. They fail to understand that if a process that is as central to the scientific endeavour as peer review has no validated experimental base, and if it consistently refuses open scrutiny, it is not surprising that the public is increasingly skeptical about the agenda and the conclusions of science. Largely because of this antagonism to openness and evaluation, there is a great lack of good evidence either way concerning the objectivity and validity of peer review. What evidence there is does not give confidence but is open to many criticisms.
last = Horrobin | first = David | coauthors = | title = Something Rotten at the Core of Science | Journal = Trends in Pharmacological Science, Vol 22, No 2, Feb 2001 | location = | pages = | language = | publisher = | date = Feb 2001 | url = http://post.queensu.ca/~forsdyke/peerrev4.htm
He particularily critized the lack of transparency in the peer review process, so on Medical Hypotheses editorial panel reviewers are not anonymous and the author gets to make any changes before acceptance as traditional peer review can oblige authors to distort their true views to satisfy referees, and so diminish authorial responsibility and accountability. In Medical Hypotheses, the authors' responsibility for the integrity, precision and accuracy of their work is paramount. Medical hypotheses is a member of the Elsevier stable of journals |title=Elsevier Editorial SystemTM |format= |work= |accessdate=}} and authors are subject to the same processes. authors instructions
Peerev ( talk) 02:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Excellent commentary Peerev. This excuse for a wiki article is a fine example of the deceit that Big Pharma and its so-called quackbusters get up to in order to prevent the truth getting out. Peerve2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.190.158 ( talk) 22:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the article is quite biased in that it focuses attention on three unfortunate articles while mentioning none of the interesting research that has run in Medical Hypotheses over the course of 35 years. I'm beginning to restore order to the article, including listing the founding advisory board which includes many notable scientists (including Linus Pauling). Have there been any other Nobel Prize winners to sit on its board besides Pauling and the current Nobelist board member, Arvid Carlsson?-- Gloriamarie ( talk) 20:44, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I would like to add that I have been watching the Medical Hypotheses debate and this article for awhile now and I believe the newer versions are much more fair and balanced than previous versions. Keystroke ( talk) 22:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I would like some additional discussion about the edits by Gloriamarie ( talk · contribs). The general thrust is to make the article a bit more positive toward the journal, which may be reasonable overall. Perhaps the current tone is a bit too negative, although it does reflect the tone found in a number of reliable, independent third-party sources.
I have a couple of specific concerns about the edits by Gloriamarie ( talk · contribs).
That tells me that either we're not actually reading the sources we're citing, or we're actively misrepresenting them. I'll assume the former, but let's take it a bit more slowly and discuss these edits. MastCell Talk 23:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I just read the relevant Lancet commentary, along with a couple recent reviews of SIDS and specifically of the bacterial hypothesis. Not one of the papers referenced the 1987 Medical Hypotheses article at all. While it might be possible to say, "there have been a few instances where a hypothesis offered in Medical Hypotheses later found a bit of experimental support", that is so far from your claim as to raise suspicion of intellectual dishonesty or a very poor understanding of the difference between speculation and real research. Please dont replace the sentence. Thanks alteripse ( talk) 01:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
When someone does many different changes, some good, and some not, it sometimes makes more sense to revert and ask the person to introduce the changes one at a time. Sorry if this seems dismissive or unappreciative of your efforts; on MastCell's behalf I plead a surfeit of the quackery pushers here who seem determined to push their agenda by any means, honest or dishonest. I tried to look at what MastCell reverted, assuming it was largely what you put in. Much of it looked unobjectionable, and some a real improvement. But you poison the good stuff when you make a false claim. Why not redo a paragraph at a time? You will probably persuade us that much of it is an improvement. alteripse ( talk) 02:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm completely convinced that there's no ill intent on any side here, and that this is mostly a misunderstanding (on the SIDS stuff) coupled with some good-faith disagreements about the general thrust of the article. For my part in escalating it to anything more than that, I apologize. To be clear, I do think that we should mention and cite the supportive letters received by the journal. I just don't think that we should give them undue weight, because as Scray notes, they are not independent of the subject and we should prioritize independent sources. But we can discuss that further. MastCell Talk 04:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
According to a news piece in Science, Elsevier is asking that the journal's editor either raise the standards of review or resign. (I personally found it curious that the editor of a major medical journal was "agnostic" as to whether HIV causes AIDS, but that's just me). In any case, the Science piece suggests that a fight is brewing between the journal's publisher (embarrassed by the some of the journal's editorial choices) and the journal's editor (who believes that the publisher has no right to question his editorial decisions). Probably worthy of mention in our article. MastCell Talk 05:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
This story is really developing:
I note that there is some confusion in the article, with the title of one article being linked to another article. I'll let someone else fix it. -- Brangifer ( talk) 06:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. I do not think the current intro adequately conveys the distinction between research reports and speculation. Would you support the following as a clearer intro?
alteripse ( talk) 18:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I have replaced the pseudoscience category. Whether or not the publisher and the editor consider its contents to be "science" is, in my opinion, irrelevant. There is a common perception of Medical Hypotheses as a peer-reviewed journal, and it is often cited as such (by the aforementioned con men and others). Many articles in the journal are pseudoscientific in nature. The "out there" ideas are presented in some cases as the result of "empirical research". If Medical Hypotheses does not qualify for the category, I'm not sure what would. Keepcalmandcarryon ( talk) 23:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I have to say, I'm not a big fan of the Category:Pseudoscience tag. I appreciate that the journal was called a purveyor of pseudoscience as part of the reaction to the AIDS-denialist pieces, and that deserves mention in the article. But the category is lacking in context and nuance (as all categories are), and I think we should use it more carefully. In reading the article, one can immediately see who labeled the journal as pseudoscientific, why they did so, and in what context. That's as it should be. The category, on the other hand, is sort of a monolithic proclamation, and I think we're better off leaving it out and handling the nuance in the article. Just my 2 cents. MastCell Talk 23:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I am Bruce G Charlton, the now-sacked editor of Medical Hypotheses, so thought I should probably round this story out by mentioned the date I was sacked and main reasons given by Elsevier, with some references.
There are many deliberate errors and significant omissions on this Wiki page, but it is perhaps not appropriate for me to be the one to correct them, other than to note this page's systematic unreliability and inaccuracy.
I see that keepcalmandcarryon (who Has Been relentlessly vandalizing David Horrobin's Wiki page for several months) is also active here.
With devout activists continuously at work to propogate their perspective, it seems that the days of Wiki being broadly reliable have now gone - and I can only suggest that serious readers who want to know about this subject go to the primary sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.240.229.3 ( talk) 10:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
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I see they've appointed the editor that previously ran the other journal of David Horrobin, Prostaglandins, Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids. Did Manku turn that journal around or was it still shilling evening primrose oil? Tijfo098 ( talk) 13:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
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Is it good or bad? Or somewhere between?
A lot of covid papers are now published in Medical Hypotheses, but are any of them really interesting enough to mention at Wikipedia?
More reliable than preprint papers?
Are there any cases when a really good idea was published at Medical Hypothesis and 1 years later confirmed in papers like Medical Facts?
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The authors of the first paragraph have a motivation of suppression of new ideas. the journal is titled "Medical Hypotheses" not "Medical Facts". Many of the "accepted" journals have published very sketchy data - have had papers retracted - have had too much influence of pharma or corporations in the data - yet they are considered "acceptable".
who is in charge of the first paragraph? It should be rewritten. Medical Hypotheses has a peer review process. Peer reviewed articles accepted for publication are do not take away from the scientific community - they advance what we know and understand. Should the title of the journal change to "Medical Facts" - then I would understand the confusion - yet as the title is, this journal should not be shunned because it is open source. Vegaproc ( talk) 17:30, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
I passed this way and had a look and was surprised, disgusted would be more accurate, to see such an unbalanced biased article. In all seriousness it presents a very distorted view. It certainly does not present all points of view, in fact no other points of view. A few minutes on Google demonstrated that. I have no particular interest in the matter, except to see Wiki fairly represent the subject. For instance with such an emminent Editorial Board including nobel laureates does anyone seriously beleive that it publishes only fringe crank ideas and porn? Because that is the impression this Article currently gives. The article does not include in balance say any examples of ground breaking ideas first presented there, and why not?
The definition of hypotheses is a proposition proposed as an explanation for the occurance of some specified group of phenomina, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts. To suggest that Medical Hypotheses publishes only the former is an insult to the intelligence of readers. Given many articles before expounding an hypotheses contain lengthy reviews of literature that in themselves are worthy of referencing.
Now as to the edit I recently made in some haste I admit, it might need some fine tuning, but 'synthesis' what synthesis? I attached references and links that support the statements so perhaps these are not understood? BRD discuss, and to aid this I moved my edit to this page;
Whilst criticised for lack of peer review, Medical Hypotheses instead uses editorial review, a process the US National Library of Medicine and Medline find acceptable for its peer review process for listing |title=MEDLINE® Journal Selection Fact Sheet |format= |work= |accessdate Medline and as a reliable source (medicine related articles) as suitable for citation on Wikipedia MEDRS The founder of the journal is said not to have beleived in peer review however this article by Prof Horrobin in the journal Trends in Pharmacological Sciences, in 2001 shows instead he called for change Why not apply scientific methods to the peer review process? For 30 years or so, I and others have been pointing out the fallibility of peer review and have been calling for much more openness and objective evaluation of its procedures [3-5]. For the most part, the scientific establishment, its journals, and its grant-giving bodies have resisted such open evaluation. They fail to understand that if a process that is as central to the scientific endeavour as peer review has no validated experimental base, and if it consistently refuses open scrutiny, it is not surprising that the public is increasingly skeptical about the agenda and the conclusions of science. Largely because of this antagonism to openness and evaluation, there is a great lack of good evidence either way concerning the objectivity and validity of peer review. What evidence there is does not give confidence but is open to many criticisms.
last = Horrobin | first = David | coauthors = | title = Something Rotten at the Core of Science | Journal = Trends in Pharmacological Science, Vol 22, No 2, Feb 2001 | location = | pages = | language = | publisher = | date = Feb 2001 | url = http://post.queensu.ca/~forsdyke/peerrev4.htm
He particularily critized the lack of transparency in the peer review process, so on Medical Hypotheses editorial panel reviewers are not anonymous and the author gets to make any changes before acceptance as traditional peer review can oblige authors to distort their true views to satisfy referees, and so diminish authorial responsibility and accountability. In Medical Hypotheses, the authors' responsibility for the integrity, precision and accuracy of their work is paramount. Medical hypotheses is a member of the Elsevier stable of journals |title=Elsevier Editorial SystemTM |format= |work= |accessdate=}} and authors are subject to the same processes. authors instructions
Peerev ( talk) 02:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Excellent commentary Peerev. This excuse for a wiki article is a fine example of the deceit that Big Pharma and its so-called quackbusters get up to in order to prevent the truth getting out. Peerve2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.190.158 ( talk) 22:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the article is quite biased in that it focuses attention on three unfortunate articles while mentioning none of the interesting research that has run in Medical Hypotheses over the course of 35 years. I'm beginning to restore order to the article, including listing the founding advisory board which includes many notable scientists (including Linus Pauling). Have there been any other Nobel Prize winners to sit on its board besides Pauling and the current Nobelist board member, Arvid Carlsson?-- Gloriamarie ( talk) 20:44, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I would like to add that I have been watching the Medical Hypotheses debate and this article for awhile now and I believe the newer versions are much more fair and balanced than previous versions. Keystroke ( talk) 22:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I would like some additional discussion about the edits by Gloriamarie ( talk · contribs). The general thrust is to make the article a bit more positive toward the journal, which may be reasonable overall. Perhaps the current tone is a bit too negative, although it does reflect the tone found in a number of reliable, independent third-party sources.
I have a couple of specific concerns about the edits by Gloriamarie ( talk · contribs).
That tells me that either we're not actually reading the sources we're citing, or we're actively misrepresenting them. I'll assume the former, but let's take it a bit more slowly and discuss these edits. MastCell Talk 23:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I just read the relevant Lancet commentary, along with a couple recent reviews of SIDS and specifically of the bacterial hypothesis. Not one of the papers referenced the 1987 Medical Hypotheses article at all. While it might be possible to say, "there have been a few instances where a hypothesis offered in Medical Hypotheses later found a bit of experimental support", that is so far from your claim as to raise suspicion of intellectual dishonesty or a very poor understanding of the difference between speculation and real research. Please dont replace the sentence. Thanks alteripse ( talk) 01:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
When someone does many different changes, some good, and some not, it sometimes makes more sense to revert and ask the person to introduce the changes one at a time. Sorry if this seems dismissive or unappreciative of your efforts; on MastCell's behalf I plead a surfeit of the quackery pushers here who seem determined to push their agenda by any means, honest or dishonest. I tried to look at what MastCell reverted, assuming it was largely what you put in. Much of it looked unobjectionable, and some a real improvement. But you poison the good stuff when you make a false claim. Why not redo a paragraph at a time? You will probably persuade us that much of it is an improvement. alteripse ( talk) 02:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm completely convinced that there's no ill intent on any side here, and that this is mostly a misunderstanding (on the SIDS stuff) coupled with some good-faith disagreements about the general thrust of the article. For my part in escalating it to anything more than that, I apologize. To be clear, I do think that we should mention and cite the supportive letters received by the journal. I just don't think that we should give them undue weight, because as Scray notes, they are not independent of the subject and we should prioritize independent sources. But we can discuss that further. MastCell Talk 04:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
According to a news piece in Science, Elsevier is asking that the journal's editor either raise the standards of review or resign. (I personally found it curious that the editor of a major medical journal was "agnostic" as to whether HIV causes AIDS, but that's just me). In any case, the Science piece suggests that a fight is brewing between the journal's publisher (embarrassed by the some of the journal's editorial choices) and the journal's editor (who believes that the publisher has no right to question his editorial decisions). Probably worthy of mention in our article. MastCell Talk 05:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
This story is really developing:
I note that there is some confusion in the article, with the title of one article being linked to another article. I'll let someone else fix it. -- Brangifer ( talk) 06:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. I do not think the current intro adequately conveys the distinction between research reports and speculation. Would you support the following as a clearer intro?
alteripse ( talk) 18:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I have replaced the pseudoscience category. Whether or not the publisher and the editor consider its contents to be "science" is, in my opinion, irrelevant. There is a common perception of Medical Hypotheses as a peer-reviewed journal, and it is often cited as such (by the aforementioned con men and others). Many articles in the journal are pseudoscientific in nature. The "out there" ideas are presented in some cases as the result of "empirical research". If Medical Hypotheses does not qualify for the category, I'm not sure what would. Keepcalmandcarryon ( talk) 23:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I have to say, I'm not a big fan of the Category:Pseudoscience tag. I appreciate that the journal was called a purveyor of pseudoscience as part of the reaction to the AIDS-denialist pieces, and that deserves mention in the article. But the category is lacking in context and nuance (as all categories are), and I think we should use it more carefully. In reading the article, one can immediately see who labeled the journal as pseudoscientific, why they did so, and in what context. That's as it should be. The category, on the other hand, is sort of a monolithic proclamation, and I think we're better off leaving it out and handling the nuance in the article. Just my 2 cents. MastCell Talk 23:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I am Bruce G Charlton, the now-sacked editor of Medical Hypotheses, so thought I should probably round this story out by mentioned the date I was sacked and main reasons given by Elsevier, with some references.
There are many deliberate errors and significant omissions on this Wiki page, but it is perhaps not appropriate for me to be the one to correct them, other than to note this page's systematic unreliability and inaccuracy.
I see that keepcalmandcarryon (who Has Been relentlessly vandalizing David Horrobin's Wiki page for several months) is also active here.
With devout activists continuously at work to propogate their perspective, it seems that the days of Wiki being broadly reliable have now gone - and I can only suggest that serious readers who want to know about this subject go to the primary sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.240.229.3 ( talk) 10:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
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I see they've appointed the editor that previously ran the other journal of David Horrobin, Prostaglandins, Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids. Did Manku turn that journal around or was it still shilling evening primrose oil? Tijfo098 ( talk) 13:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
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Wikipedia says:
Impact factor = 1.322[1] (2018).
Is it good or bad? Or somewhere between?
A lot of covid papers are now published in Medical Hypotheses, but are any of them really interesting enough to mention at Wikipedia?
More reliable than preprint papers?
Are there any cases when a really good idea was published at Medical Hypothesis and 1 years later confirmed in papers like Medical Facts?