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I thought Tim Bowden was a host in the early days, perhaps even the first host? Ajayvius 10:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
sources that are relied upon need to be independent of what they are reporting on, Bolt and the Australian's editor are obviously not neutral sources of criticism on this program's coverage of the Murdoch press as opposed to others media organisations. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillia n 10:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
The 'critics' cannot be identified as "others" which is a generalisation as if the criticism has widespread support, it does not. I agree that it could be notable criticism, but it is not clearly identified and is not notable enough to be in the lead of the overview section. To include this reference (if an editorial passes WP:RS) we would have to say something along the lines of; Andrew Bolt and the Australian, who are regularly scrutinised by Media Watch, have been long term counter-critics of the show, accusing it of left wing bias. anything more vague than that infers widespread support of the criticism, which there is not, mentioning the 'critics' bias in the footnote is nowhere near good enough. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillia n 12:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
PS. I agree with Peter Ballard that the sentences that praise media watch for its neutrality and fearless investigations also need to be sourced. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillia n 13:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Secondary sources are preferable to primary sources in encyclopedia articles, but they aren't always available. I'm not aware of any usable secondary sources about Media Watch — all we have is people arguing for or against MW, not writing dispassionately about MW. So we have to fall back on primary sources. But we have to be careful to signal to readers that they are not secondary sources.
The specific example I am thinking of is Andrew Bolt's item about MW, Philip Adams and Ron Brunton. This is not valid as a secondary source, so we cannot use it to say that MW turns reports about left-wing stuff-ups into attacks on conservatives. However, it is valid as a primary source, to show that critics have claimed that MW turns reports about left-wing stuff-ups into attacks on conservatives. The distinction is subtle (and I probably haven't explained it very well), but important.
I hope this helps. Cheers, CWC 03:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I can't think of any reason to merge this. The Cash for comment affair was a scandal undertaken by a radio presenter. There are plenty of articles about the affair and the ABA got involved so it is notable and its own page is valid. The article is on my shortlist to edit so I will get around to improving it shortly. - Shiftchange ( talk) 06:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
08:05, 7 September 2015, "removed section - not enough coverage in rs to warrant this degree of focus"
Q.E.D B20097 ( talk) 09:36, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
1. The quote attributed to David Salter: ""unwilling to subject Michael Brissenden…" cannot be found anywhere online except as a derivative of the Wikipedia article. Also, the associated link, http://www.theaustralian.com.au/story/0,25197,22290268-13243,00.html, is dead. I have removed the statement.
2. I have expanded the comment by Robert Manne.
3. Re the last paragraph, the racism story about the Daily Telegraph: http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1954733.htm. The two references given that, in return, supposedly castigate Media Watch, are dead ( http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,21959678-10388,00.html, and http://www.theaustralian.com.au/story/0,20867,22058577-7582,00.html). I have removed the entire paragraph. I don't think the article shouldn't be describing tit-for-tat attacks.
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I thought Tim Bowden was a host in the early days, perhaps even the first host? Ajayvius 10:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
sources that are relied upon need to be independent of what they are reporting on, Bolt and the Australian's editor are obviously not neutral sources of criticism on this program's coverage of the Murdoch press as opposed to others media organisations. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillia n 10:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
The 'critics' cannot be identified as "others" which is a generalisation as if the criticism has widespread support, it does not. I agree that it could be notable criticism, but it is not clearly identified and is not notable enough to be in the lead of the overview section. To include this reference (if an editorial passes WP:RS) we would have to say something along the lines of; Andrew Bolt and the Australian, who are regularly scrutinised by Media Watch, have been long term counter-critics of the show, accusing it of left wing bias. anything more vague than that infers widespread support of the criticism, which there is not, mentioning the 'critics' bias in the footnote is nowhere near good enough. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillia n 12:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
PS. I agree with Peter Ballard that the sentences that praise media watch for its neutrality and fearless investigations also need to be sourced. Cheers, Wiki Townsvillia n 13:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Secondary sources are preferable to primary sources in encyclopedia articles, but they aren't always available. I'm not aware of any usable secondary sources about Media Watch — all we have is people arguing for or against MW, not writing dispassionately about MW. So we have to fall back on primary sources. But we have to be careful to signal to readers that they are not secondary sources.
The specific example I am thinking of is Andrew Bolt's item about MW, Philip Adams and Ron Brunton. This is not valid as a secondary source, so we cannot use it to say that MW turns reports about left-wing stuff-ups into attacks on conservatives. However, it is valid as a primary source, to show that critics have claimed that MW turns reports about left-wing stuff-ups into attacks on conservatives. The distinction is subtle (and I probably haven't explained it very well), but important.
I hope this helps. Cheers, CWC 03:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I can't think of any reason to merge this. The Cash for comment affair was a scandal undertaken by a radio presenter. There are plenty of articles about the affair and the ABA got involved so it is notable and its own page is valid. The article is on my shortlist to edit so I will get around to improving it shortly. - Shiftchange ( talk) 06:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
08:05, 7 September 2015, "removed section - not enough coverage in rs to warrant this degree of focus"
Q.E.D B20097 ( talk) 09:36, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
1. The quote attributed to David Salter: ""unwilling to subject Michael Brissenden…" cannot be found anywhere online except as a derivative of the Wikipedia article. Also, the associated link, http://www.theaustralian.com.au/story/0,25197,22290268-13243,00.html, is dead. I have removed the statement.
2. I have expanded the comment by Robert Manne.
3. Re the last paragraph, the racism story about the Daily Telegraph: http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1954733.htm. The two references given that, in return, supposedly castigate Media Watch, are dead ( http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,21959678-10388,00.html, and http://www.theaustralian.com.au/story/0,20867,22058577-7582,00.html). I have removed the entire paragraph. I don't think the article shouldn't be describing tit-for-tat attacks.
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