This disambiguation page is within the scope of WikiProject Disambiguation, an attempt to structure and organize all
disambiguation pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, you can edit the page attached to this talk page, or visit the
project page, where you can join the project or contribute to the
discussion.DisambiguationWikipedia:WikiProject DisambiguationTemplate:WikiProject DisambiguationDisambiguation articles
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Oppose Please specify what topic(s) challenge the current primary topic. By page views, the only topic in the same ballpark as
Mecha is
Mechanized infantry, and it's still less than half the views. The history of those two topics suggests they have about equal longevity. The "Various topics relating to
mechanics and
mechanisms" entry is dubious in my opinion. I think that very few users would arrive at this page if they were looking for one of those two topics.
-- Fyrael (
talk)
19:32, 27 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Taken together, I think the tribe of people, the language, mechanized infantry, and the Russian word have sufficient importance that the alternative name for a primarily-Japanese fictional giant robot should not be considered a dominant primary meaning (especially in regard to long-term significance, and noting that the primary name for that topic seems to be "mecha", not "mech"), although it may appear so from page views. There is also the surname and radar system, and I also believe there are other topics relating to mechanics and mechanisms (e.g.,
Derailleur gears as noted above, and possibly a nickname of the former
Ohio Agricultural and Mechanical College, which was mentioned in that redirect's article before I removed it in
this edit, which are not currently explicitly included on the dab page). —
BarrelProof (
talk)
19:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Topics that don't even merit an entry on the DAB page probably shouldn't be much of a consideration for primacy. Also, I believe that "mecha" is just barely preferred over "mech" for that article title, which the talk archives support.
-- Fyrael (
talk)
06:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose - No evidence has been shown for the Nom's position, they merely cite their belief that this is the case. If someone said to me "it's a mech", probably the pilotable robot is the first thing that would occur to me, so I am not sure their belief is true. A test of this using the first 30 results on GBooks returns: 13 results related to science-fiction robots, 8 results for it being a shortening of "mechanics" (e.g. "Mech of solids"), 3 results relating to the tribe, and six others related to various other things (e.g., a writer with the surname "mech", as a shortening of "mechanised infantry" etc.).
FOARP (
talk)
07:24, 29 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support per
WP:ASTONISH. "mech" refers primarily to
mechanics or mechanisms, and readers certainly won't expect to be taken to a topic that isn't even at the title "mech" in the first place, and wouldn't be recognisable to most people as a "mech". —
Amakuru (
talk)
12:24, 5 September 2019 (UTC)reply
WP:ASTONISH does not provide any insight one way or the other here. We're currently discussing whether or not the average reader expects to arrive at what is currently the primary topic when they look for "mech". And since it's the second time it's been brought up, I'd like to point out that "
Mecha" being chosen over "Mech" as the title for that article has little-to-no bearing on whether it's also the primary topic for "mech". See
Stone for another example. Just because "Rock" was picked over "Stone" as the title doesn't mean the topic isn't primary for "stone".
-- Fyrael (
talk)
14:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this
talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
This disambiguation page is within the scope of WikiProject Disambiguation, an attempt to structure and organize all
disambiguation pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, you can edit the page attached to this talk page, or visit the
project page, where you can join the project or contribute to the
discussion.DisambiguationWikipedia:WikiProject DisambiguationTemplate:WikiProject DisambiguationDisambiguation articles
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Oppose Please specify what topic(s) challenge the current primary topic. By page views, the only topic in the same ballpark as
Mecha is
Mechanized infantry, and it's still less than half the views. The history of those two topics suggests they have about equal longevity. The "Various topics relating to
mechanics and
mechanisms" entry is dubious in my opinion. I think that very few users would arrive at this page if they were looking for one of those two topics.
-- Fyrael (
talk)
19:32, 27 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Taken together, I think the tribe of people, the language, mechanized infantry, and the Russian word have sufficient importance that the alternative name for a primarily-Japanese fictional giant robot should not be considered a dominant primary meaning (especially in regard to long-term significance, and noting that the primary name for that topic seems to be "mecha", not "mech"), although it may appear so from page views. There is also the surname and radar system, and I also believe there are other topics relating to mechanics and mechanisms (e.g.,
Derailleur gears as noted above, and possibly a nickname of the former
Ohio Agricultural and Mechanical College, which was mentioned in that redirect's article before I removed it in
this edit, which are not currently explicitly included on the dab page). —
BarrelProof (
talk)
19:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Topics that don't even merit an entry on the DAB page probably shouldn't be much of a consideration for primacy. Also, I believe that "mecha" is just barely preferred over "mech" for that article title, which the talk archives support.
-- Fyrael (
talk)
06:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose - No evidence has been shown for the Nom's position, they merely cite their belief that this is the case. If someone said to me "it's a mech", probably the pilotable robot is the first thing that would occur to me, so I am not sure their belief is true. A test of this using the first 30 results on GBooks returns: 13 results related to science-fiction robots, 8 results for it being a shortening of "mechanics" (e.g. "Mech of solids"), 3 results relating to the tribe, and six others related to various other things (e.g., a writer with the surname "mech", as a shortening of "mechanised infantry" etc.).
FOARP (
talk)
07:24, 29 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support per
WP:ASTONISH. "mech" refers primarily to
mechanics or mechanisms, and readers certainly won't expect to be taken to a topic that isn't even at the title "mech" in the first place, and wouldn't be recognisable to most people as a "mech". —
Amakuru (
talk)
12:24, 5 September 2019 (UTC)reply
WP:ASTONISH does not provide any insight one way or the other here. We're currently discussing whether or not the average reader expects to arrive at what is currently the primary topic when they look for "mech". And since it's the second time it's been brought up, I'd like to point out that "
Mecha" being chosen over "Mech" as the title for that article has little-to-no bearing on whether it's also the primary topic for "mech". See
Stone for another example. Just because "Rock" was picked over "Stone" as the title doesn't mean the topic isn't primary for "stone".
-- Fyrael (
talk)
14:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this
talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.