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There are currently four sections to this article that each contain no more than two sentences of prose. They are mainly just pointers to other articles, so I am condensing them down into the "See also" section so that we avoid these short, choppy sections. Johntex\ talk 04:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Much of this article is biased and needs cleanup. Please fix. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.68.24.225 ( talk • contribs).
The summary section of this article now contains a sentence similar to the above. The old sentence was [Masturbation] is part of a larger set of activities known as autoeroticism which also includes the use of sexual devices meant for the use of playful use such as sex toys or other objects of use in a sexual fun filled way of fun sex toyability and non-genital stimulation. The old sentence had several problems:
For these reasons, I rewrote the sentence. It now says little; its main purpose is to provide a link to the "autoeroticism" page. We can decide later if this link is important enough to keep the sentence at all. Eric-Albert 23:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Can the person who added the tag make some comment here about what was troubling them? If not, can we assume that they meant it as some kind of joke (mastubation -> dirty -> clean up afterwards?) and remove it. -- Nigelj 00:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be both very interesting and beneficial to create a separate article for Religious views on masturbation. For anyone who is interested, there is a draft of the new article at User:CyberAnth/Religious views on masturbation. Please feel free to expand the draft! After it looks good on user space, it can be posted on to article space. CyberAnth 06:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
This article seems muddled. Ostensibly it takes the definition of masturbation to be "manual sexual stimulation" whether solo or partnered. However, some of the content (like the stuff on sex toys and prostate health) talks about masturbation as if autoeroticism were meant.
I've just taken the section called "autoeroticism" out of the article on the unusual topic of " autosexuality" (which means being sexually attracted to yourself, a la Narcissus), and made a separate autoeroticism article -- which was until now a redirect to autosexuality.
I think the "sex by hand" material on this page ought to be disentangled from the "sex with yourself" material, and the latter moved to autoeroticism.
I also think handjob and fingering (sexual act) ought to be merged here or just made redirects if they contain no notable content. Okay? DanB†DanD 00:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Masturbation is sexually stimulating oneself by touch and including the use of inanimate objects. With a partner, one might refer to a handjob as "masturbating" but only colloquially in reference to the self-action. (If you can "jack off", another person can "jack you off", for example.) Fingering would typically only be referred to as "masturbating" if that was a method that the woman preferred to use on herself.
The bottom link to "The worlds largest masturbation blog" links to a spam/advertising site. Can someone remove it please? http://www.masturbatorblog.com/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Schneider100 ( talk • contribs) 11:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
I'm really tired of wading every day through all those edits made by unregistered vandals. Should the article be semi-protected?.. Alexander Iwaschkin 11:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I reverted the following edited paragraph:
I really didn't think this unsourced nonsense needed to be discussed prior to editing. -- Evb-wiki 03:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I reverted some vandalism, and apparently chose the wrong previous version. I stand correct, my apologies. Atom 04:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Template:Linkimage has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Jeff G. 23:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Currently, this article contains the following sentence: Masturbation and sexual intercourse are the two most common sexual practices, but they are not mutually exclusive (for example, many people find the sight of their partner masturbating highly erotic). Both parts of the sentence are true, but I don't see the connection between the first part and the part in parentheses. For that matter, I don't see why it's necessary to say that masturbation and sexual intercourse "are not mutually exclusive" -- yes, it's true, but why are we pointing it out? I'm tempted to delete this sentence altogether; can folks explain why it should stay? Eric-Albert 23:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe the point the author of that line might have been making is the fact that many men and women feel that they have "failed" their partner, or aren't satisfying or appealing to them, when they find that their partner is masturbating; this is not usually the case, and pointing that out would be good. Zuiram 02:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
"Masturbation is becoming accepted as a healthy practice and safe method for sharing pleasure without the strings. It is socially accepted and even celebrated in certain circles. Group masturbation events can be found online in just about any state. Masturbation marathons are yearly events and are occurring across the globe from the U.S. to the UK. In these events provide a supportive environment where masturbation can be performed openly among young and old without embarrassment. Participants talk openly with onlookers while masturbating to share techniques and describe their pleasure. Some sources: < http://www.masturbate-a-thon.com>, < http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/masturbation-marathon-london_index.html>"
This needs some serious cleanup. "Without the strings"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aboutblank ( talk • contribs) 03:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
Hi Van, would just like some input on how to cleanup the 'Origins' section that I recently created and that you tagged for cleanup. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chris goulet ( talk • contribs) 03:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
This may or may not be of interest. It is in the wikimedia commons.-- 68.88.196.111 04:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, it is worth discussing. I am not advocating putting the image in. But, it makes me wonder, how is a still image of a male masturbating in the masturbation article encylopedic, and a moving image of it "pornography" and "not legal"? In establishing guidelines, as we are doing at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality/WIP-image-guidelines, this kind of disctinction needs to be discussed and determined. In my mind, I think it is likely that some people will be offended, and we desire to avoid that, but also, that it is not, in any way "pornographic". Since nearly every male in the English speaking world (and so english Wikipedia) masturbates nearly every day (2-7 times a week anyway), is it that it is recorded, or depicted that makes it offensive? It does not (in my opinion) meet the standard for "obscene", and therefore, not illegal. So again, why is a still image of this okay in this article, and a moving image of the same thing, not okay?? Atom 23:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Please stop stereotyping me.
Images relating to some topics cannot be informative without also running the risk of being offensive to some. However, when deciding between two equally informative images, the one which is least likely to offend (or is likely to offend the least) should be used.
And below that quote is a section indicating that Artwork is preferred over photographs.
The above are Wikipedia community standards. Also have a look here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=Image:Masturbation.jpg
In what way would artwork such as at an earlier version of this article or, better yet, something like this, and descriptions be a detriment to the article compared with the graphic video? Do you perhaps need to have it very explicitly illustrated for you how to place your hand in a circle, place it around your penis, and stroke up and down? Is there something difficult to understand or unclear to you about that description?
So who exactly is the one trying to change community standards here?
CyberAnth 05:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Please don't take it personally, I don't mean any offense. I don't intend to stereotype you. My comments are based on your words, not on any other factor. So, my apologies if it is taken that way.
The Wikipedia guidelines you reference are a work in progress, and a result of my efforts with a few other people. So, they are still in progress, and also they are guidelines (which means they help to guide those who choose to adopt -- and not policy).
The video loop was not provided by myself, it only brought up the conversation where I asked the legitimate question as to how others perceived the video loop as being different than a still image of the topic. The loop was on a talk page, and not on the main article. It had been removed from the talk page, along with the anon users comments. (Which was innapropriate).
No one has suggested using the video in the article itself (yet). My offering discussion of the topic was intended to work through guidelines and policy before someone does that.
When I was discussing community standards, it was to suggest that there is an existing community standard here of not censoring, that Wikipedia is not mean't to be safe for work, or to be safe for school children. So, when you express things like "would clearly be considered pornographic" when it isn't, and "a sick mind who would not be concerned to have their 13-year-old daughter view the video" I have to say that people who feel that way have a wrong understanding or misperception of what Wikipedia is.
Atom 13:51, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
APatcher 4 Feb. 2007
There are some weasel words in the third paragraph of "Masturbation frequency, age and sex". Could somebody please find some real references? Talk User:Fissionfox 01:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm a bit worried by the Origins section that this article now has. 'Origins' in what sense? Given that many animals and in particular other primates masturbate, are we saying that these origins date way back into evolutionary time to the point where our first common ancestors began to jiggle their own bits? Did these early mammals do this because of the various male and female physiological reasons given? Did doing so give them the evolutionary advantage that has ensured that only masturbatory animals have survived down to the present day? If so, we are sadly lacking in any references for such an evolutionary theory. Such a theory falls a bit short when it comes to the all fish, birds, molluscs, insects and other things that probably don't masturbate, but have survived too.
I think the ideas in the text are interesting and they are, in themselves, referenced. The problem is in the title and the placement. I thought of maybe changing the section heading to 'Physiological factors' or something like that. But now I feel that the text of the section should be moved down into the existing 'Health and psychological effects' section, under 'Benefits', maybe under a new sub-sub-heading and without the current Male/Female separation, other than in the text itself.
What do others think? -- Nigelj 13:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm the guy who added this section, after reading 'Sperm Wars'. Thanks for letting me know that the book isn't enough support for these bold claims. Really got me researching. I added citations; are they significant enough to put the section back? I'd put it back in about the middle of the article.
I had named the section 'Origins', not to attract too much attention from the intelligent design camp, but now I see that the 'Orgasm' page has a separate 'Evolutionary Purpose' section, so let's rename it likewise.
The orgasmic cervical upsuck theory has been discredited, so I took it out.
The Case Of The Female Orgasm: Bias In The Science Of Evolution, Elisabeth Lloyd 2005.
http://mypage.iu.edu/~ealloyd/Reviews.html#IHaveSeenVideo
The section does have a "teleological angle", but that is no reason to dismiss the implications of research in this area. --- Chris goulet 10:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
(original section in dispute)Origins
Masturbation exercises sexual functions to increase fertility during intercourse.
Female
Masturbation in females is a tool to regulate the conditions in the vagina, cervix and uterus, which is used to either increase or decrease the chances of conception from intercourse, depending on the timing of the masturbation. This timing is a subconscious decision. If she has intercourse with more than one male, it favors the chances of one or the other male's sperm reaching her egg. [1]
During orgasm, the woman's cervix extends and retracts at each contraction (cervical tenting), and the opening to the cervix gapes open. If a seminal pool is still present in the vagina when she masturbates, a significant number of sperm will be sucked up into her cervix.
She can also increase the acidity of the cervical mucus to provide protection against infections.
Male
The function of masturbation is to flush out old sperm with low motility from the male's genital tract. The next ejaculate contains more fresh sperm, which has higher chances of achieving conception during intercourse. If more than one male is having intercourse with a female, the sperm with the highest motility will compete more effectively. [2]
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(proposed edit for 'Origins' section)Evolutionary purpose
Masturbation exercises sexual functions to increase fertility during intercourse.
Masturbation in females is a tool to regulate the conditions in the vagina, cervix and uterus, which is used to either increase or decrease the chances of conception from intercourse, depending on the timing of the masturbation. This timing is a subconscious decision. If she has intercourse with more than one male, it favors the chances of one or the other male's sperm reaching her egg. [1] [2]
Female masturbation can also provide protection against cervical infections by increasing the acidity of the cervical mucus and by moving debris out of the cervix. This needs a spcific reference. If it is the reference below in Japanese Macaques, it should be made clear that this is based on animal studies and we cannot make firm conclusions in humans. I feel this pedantry is needed since it may state an unproven health benefit of masturbation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PsychoticSock ( talk • contribs) 23:53, August 22, 2007 (UTC).
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-- Chris goulet 10:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Note that the "header" image has had the ludicrous title "Mulher sentada de coxas abertas" placed on it for many months, changed from a previous accurate description by user:Atomaton back in January. If Atomaton had bothered to check, s/he might have discovered that Klimt was Austrian and did not give Portugese titles to his pictures. That's just a title uploaded by the person who added the image - presumably for Portugese Wikipedia. In fact the picture is a personal drawing. It was given no title by the artist. "Woman sitting with open legs" (in whatever language) is simply a euphemistic description used in old catalogues. It has no claim to accuracy. Paul B 00:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Just sayin'.
Chris goulet 23:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
My brief description was typo'd: I meant that it doesn't talk about masturbation specifically. Disinclination 05:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
None of those links seem to work. But with the new Google Patents Search feature ( http://www.google.com/patents), someone with some patience can correct each of those links. whysanitynet 03:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay TaylorLTD 00:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there any research to suggest that masturbation "risks" reducing sexual desire to one's partner? Or in some way reduces effort afforded to them for sexual activities? So far, there seems to be no mention of these risks, if indeed there is any truth to them. -- Rebroad 20:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[[[User:Apprentice2him|Apprentice2him]] 01:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[User:Apprentice2him|Apprentice2him]] 01:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Masturbation involving both a man and a woman (see mutual masturbation) can result in pregnancy only if semen contacts the vulva.
lol for the guy that said masterbation is a homosexual desire....wtf what bullshit!
The links section contains a link to a site at http://healthystrokes.com; I'd like to suggest either removing this link, or placing a notice next to it advertising its unreliability. The site is pernicious. While appearing to offer detailed and serious advice, it relies on spurious sources, and is written anonymously and insensitively. The site is about prone masturbation, which it refers to, bizarrely, as 'traumatic masturbatory syndrome'. It claims masturbating prone causes sexual dysfunction, and that one can become a "normal male" by refraining from masturbation and sex for weeks or months. There is just one journal article referred to in support, and this is a study of only four men. Extra support is provided by an unofficial internet survey of just 119 people. The advice given is not the mainstream view of doctors. Incredible claims are made, such as "Males who masturbate face down, if they can have intercourse at all, are limited to the missionary position." Wikipedia isn't responsible for the content of external websites, but it shouldn't point people towards an apparently credible source of misinformation, and one that could cause unnecessary suffering. 86.143.153.34 01:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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Is this a joke? You're not really trying to be serious are you? In the first place masturbation is not a homosexual act, intrinsically. Secondly, until you have legitimate, respected citations of sources that agree with your ridiculous "correct" edit it has no place on this page. Period. Wikipedia isn't opinion. --Aylwinatrix Wednesday Feb 7, 07
It is not a joke and I am being serious. Wikipedia should report the facts, and this is a fact. It is not my fault if you are in denial of your true sexuality. If you masturbate you are showing you have homosexual urges and are either homosexual or bisexual. Furthermore, I have no idea why you, or anyone, would wish to degrade themselves by doing this. -- Michael K. Smith 20:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
When did I ever say in this, or any other post, that I masturbate? All I ever wrote about was the rules of Wikipedia, which is to post only information that is pertinent, and well-researched. Wikipedia does not exist to post unverifiable opinion. If what you say is a "fact" it should be very easy to find sources that support this "fact". If you can find independent sources that back your opinion, then feel free to post that information. If you can't then you should expect to have your edits be reverted. Also your inferences about me are quite personal and offensive. I plan on reporting you to the moderators of this site. I never removed any of your meritless posts, I only explained to you why they are continually removed.
-- Aylwinatrix 09:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Aylwinatrix
That person is either crazy or trying to be a smart ass. Masturbation is clearly not homosexual or bisexual in a true sense and it's not the least degrading. And why do some people have such issues with pleasure? If you never masturbate, it's like being super rich but never buying anything. CerealBabyMilk 10:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually masturbating is degrading for the same reason Immanuel Kant gave. I am not crazy nor I am trying to be a "smart ass". I am simply telling the truth; it is not my fault if you can't handle the truth that it is degrading etc. As for "pleasure", just as masturbating feels good does not mean it is morally acceptable. There are many who find rape pleasurable (the rapist), however the human being raped does not find it enjoyable. Just as something feels good, does not make it morally right. Aylwinatrix - you need to relax, seriously. Something is not determined to be a "fact" just as the majority believe it; just like something is not untrue simply as it is only believed by a minority. The majority of humans believe in a Supreme Being - but this does not mean such a thing exists. Just like the majority may not find masturbating to be degrading and a homosexual act; but the truth is that it is degrading and a homosexual act.
I am not crazy or George W. Bush. Why are you assuming I am male? I know that you are all getting angry as you are in denial. You can not accept the fact that something you all do (masturbating) is actually degrading and that you have homosexual urges.
[QUOTE]I should like to regretfully report vandalism by 86.135.39.79.The anonymous user has been warned several times. In addition to this, when I attempted to explain why his posts were deleted, and what he should do to avoid their deletion, he became personally insulting, in specifically homophobic way. While I am heterosexual, these attacks were all the same offensive, und unwarranted. Pages he continually vandalize include masturbation and suicide . Thanks very much, -- Aylwinatrix 10:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Aylwinatrix[QUOTE]
1. Where have I insulted you? If I did it was not deliberate. 2. Why are assuming I am male? You use "he". 3. How am I being homophobic?
What is it with you crackers?
86.135.39.79, I'm not going to continue in this exchange with you any more. Anyone's personal opinions on objective truth are irrelevant when it comes to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia. Its entries must be cited by other sources as being verifiable, otherwise they are likely going to be removed. It truly isn't personal, Wikipedia simply has specific standards. I hope your future posts meet these standards. And you were intentionally trying to be insulting to provoke a reaction from me. You assumed I masturbate, and also insinuated that because of this, I am homosexual, bisexual or incestuous. These statements are quite personal, uncivil, and completely inappropriate for this site. Furthermore, your implication is that homosexuality is a negative trait, especially if you are using it alongside incest. If you're looking for a fight, you won't get one. All I am doing is following the rules of Wikipedia, which are clear and easy to follow for many of us. Aylwinatrix 20:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Aylwinatrix
I love you guys. CerealBabyMilk 00:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The article is about masturbation, not homosexuality... :P CerealBabyMilk 12:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The article states that: "Tissot argued that semen was an "essential oil" and "stimulus" that, when lost from the body in great amounts, would cause "a perceptible reduction of strength, of memory and even of reason; blurred vision, all the nervous disorders, all types of gout and rheumatism, weakening of the organs of generation, blood in the urine, disturbance of the appetite, headaches and a great number of other disorders.'"
- Ellen G. White was also a firm believer that masturbation a detremental act to ones' health. She believed that one's diet had a direct correlation with one's urge to masturbate. She claimed that a bland diet consisting of vegtables, wheat breads, and water would lead to a diminished urge to masturbate and thus would lead to a healthier and more fulfilling life. (Numbers, "Sex, Science, and Salvation", page 208)
Hi! The article “Masturbation” devotes a huge amount of the space to unscientific and non-supported nonsense - so-called “traumatic masturbatory syndrome (TMS)”- which is not accepted by the specialists in the area of sex research and education. It is interesting that there was the separate entry “traumatic masturbatory syndrome” in Wikipedia the several years ago, which spread the same nonsense, and I believe it was removed. It is great! However, the part of this removed entry went to the more readable article “Masturbation”. The article does mention such leading sex researchers as W. Masters, J. Money, E. Coleman, J. Bancroft and others, but indicates so-called sex therapist Eva Margolies whose publications, among others, have such a title “...How to be Sexier Without Surger, Weight Lost, or Cleavage” Is it credible? Can such inaccurate information exist in the encyclopedia? It is a very sensitive and readable subject, and information has to be accurate. This is very sad! The article is marked high important!!!! Who spreads this nonsense about so -called TMS??? So many people have express the valid point that unscientific information about TMS has to be deleted, but the same misinformation continues to be present!!!! How can one editor from Healthy Stroke without can damage the article "masturbation". A new Mr.Tissot? Do we want to advertise "Healthystroke" site or we want to have a credible and accurate entry? TMS in "Masturbation" has to be deleted. To prove my point please read an answer on TMS in another very popular Internet site “Co Ask Alice” of Columbia University. The bottom line is that the unscientific inaccurate information on TMS has to be removed from the article “Masturbation”. Qazqwe50 18:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I have not read the discussion prior I included my comments. All participants in this disccussion state to remove any indication on TMS. Why and what Wikipedia wait for? Why has not it removed yet? Why can the ignorance and misinformation prevail in this important project, like Wikipedia? Editors are doing a very bad job!!!! Qazqwe50 18:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I want to strongly suggest to delete the section of Prone Masturbation and TMS, bacause it is not a fact, but by Dr.Sank's words, it was only his hypothesis based on 4 observations. This section is Wikipedia and spreads misinformation. The section is based on the opinions, hypothesis and does not fit Wikipedia's rules. It is shame! We expect that editors will act and remove it immediatly. Thank you Qazqwe50 Qazqwe50 18:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Once gain, when can we expect that the section on TMS be deleted? It was hypothesis, not a a fact, also not SCIENCE. Please ask Dr Sank now about his article! It was shame! Please read scientific book on sexulaity! This hypothesis was not accepetd due to the fact that sexual disfunctions are more complicated issue and depends on person's emotional, psychological and/or physical well-being, but not masturbatory style.
Qazqwe50
Qazqwe50 18:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I think something should be said in this article about the general consensus agreement that if you shake your penis more than three times after urinating it then becomes masturbation. Slowbro 07:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have come across a number of videos regarding US food industry castrating cattles on a large scale with no anesthetic medication. Basically these animals have their testicles ripped out with maximum pain on an extremely massive scale. Is there anything that can help animals masturbate to control their aggression? Maybe a machine or a tool? GodBwithU 13:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following paragraph from the Male section:
While I have no qualms about the inclusion of what is described in the paragraph, I merely find the paragraph to be quite clumsy and reads more like an instructional rather than an ecyclopedia article. I don't mind at all if the information is reworded to sound more encyclopedic and placed back into the article. However, I must admit that "wet toilet walls" is a new one to me. ExRat 01:11, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, but I just don't care. Best of wishes. =]
It seems to me that autoeroticism and masturbation are basically two articles about the same thing. Should Autoeroticism be merged here? Jibjibjib 11:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
User:70.55.113.128|70.55.113.128]] 13:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
In the section titled "medical attitudes," the words "Gallup Poll" appear twice--lower case in both instances. "Gallup Poll" should be capitalized.
I'm about to rewrite the definition that begins this article, which currently states that masturbation requires "manual excitation". This is not true: people can masturbate by inserting objects, by using vibrators, by rubbing against objects (or other people), and so on. In fact, the article describes these methods a little further down, under the heading "Masturbation techniques." I will base my definition on the one in Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary but I will, of course, significantly reword it. Eric-Albert 22:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I've always understood mutual masturbation to mean two, or more, persons physically masturbating each other, i.e. - masturbating the genitals of another person. A slang phrase for that is "cross country skiing". Persons masturbating themselves in the presence of others in the same place, but not touching, is called, in slanguage, a circle jerk (at least for boys, I don't even know if girls do that). Then there is phone sex, cybersex, webcam sex, and explicit role playing games, a lot of which involves masturbation. At least on one end of the connection, virtual or otherwise. As well as masturbation in the presence of others, such as by roommates, or in military barracks, shipboard quarters, prisons, buses, etc. Those activities may be stealthy—that is not intended to be shared erotic experiences (or not). How does one classify all those activities? ... — Becksguy 09:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
As i've read whole article, i've noticed that there's no warning of risk at masturbating at teenagers. There are even some articles that let me believe it that's ok... "While females aged 13–17 masturbated almost once a day on average (and almost as often as their male peers)" and " Masturbating frequently presents no physical, mental or emotional risk in itself " . This means that masturbating at 13-17 age (teenagers) is not risk of anything ? Please clear me up. Thanks. P.S. : I'm new in here and hope it is allowed to post this here. Nuker3 07:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
This is frequently followed closely by drowsiness and sleep – particularly when one masturbates in bed
This is hilarious —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.157.241.42 ( talk) 09:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not certain about the validity of the reference pertaining to the Sambia. The page it links to doesn't seem to be a particularly scholarly source. Does this culture exist, and is there a better reference we could use? -- 98.207.92.147 20:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
The sexual practices of the Samia tribe is old news and is not contested and often quoted. One research article was published in this journal (you may have to actually walk into a university library for this): Herdt, G. (1990) Developmental discontinuities and sexual orientation across cultures . In: McWhirter, D.P., Sanders, S.A. and Reinisch, J.M., (Eds.) Homosexuality/Heterosexuality, pp. 208-236. New York: Oxford University Press.
A movie was even made Called "Guardians of the flutes" by the BBC and can be aquired at Barnes and Noble and other resellers: < http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&ean=9780226327495>
The article is locked for editing but there is an error in it. The "Sambia" tribe link points to an incorrect article. In fact, the proper article doesn't exist but we could point to "Gilbert Herdt" article instead (who reported on the sexual behavior of the tribe), I believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.102.131 ( talk) 10:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
A new sub-topic should be included in the masturbation describing what religion says about it. As this practice is prohibited in all religions. This discussion should include points dictating that this habit is against the nature and of course harmaful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.53.226 ( talk) 18:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
We Catholics believe that masturbation is a sin, and it is also a common belief (at least in Poland) that God punishes it with acne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.28.4 ( talk) 17:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Four common terms in the Etymology section of the article were removed by USER:Nigelj. See the diff here. The terms removed were: jerking off, spanking the monkey, choking the chicken, and beating the meat. Leaving pleasuring oneself, and wanking. Adding a link to Wikisaurus is a great idea, but at least one of the deleted terms is among the most common US colloquial terms used. Wanking is mostly of British usage. Pleasuring oneself may, or may not, be common in some circles—it actually sounds more literary—but the most common US term is probably jerking off, followed by jacking off, and beating off, and others. The term Spanking the monkey was popular enough that a movie was released with that title in 1994, which included major references to the subject, so that should stay in. While I agree that this section should not grow to include a long list of colloquialisms, a few of the more common terms should be put back in. Jerking off gets about 4.2 million goggle hits, and jacking off gets about 3.3M ghits. Also, if a common British term is listed, so should a common American term. I'm replacing the term jerking off for the reasons given. — Becksguy 10:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
In the female section, it is noted that a woman can rub against objects, including a "washing machine". Clearly barefoot-in-the-kitchen sexism. What's next, masturbating while cooking dinner or doing the dishes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages Thank you. Asarelah 00:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The reference to masturbating by rubbing against a vibrating washing machine was great! I've certainly done it. It is healing (not to mention informative) to see a topic (masturbation) that is so culturally charged treated in such a neutral manner, and the specific references are wonderful. Some of us have wondered whether we're the only ones doing something. (For the record, I'm a woman whose sexual experiences have been with women, and I certainly am no barefoot-in-the-kitchen housewife!)
This accusation of sexism is totaly off mark, just a kneejerk reaction. The old washing machine masturbation referance has been around for ages, as far as large appliance masturbation goes, washing machine is much more well known than anything else, just google it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.89.173 ( talk) 21:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
IIRC somewhere in Havelock Ellis there's a passage about seamstresses in early-1900s sweatshops sitting in just the right position while operating the treadle (of the non-motorized sewing machine). He says that from time to time observers would hear one sewing machine in the group suddenly speed up. I'm not going to put this in the article unless I can find a proper reference... which it's not likely that I'll be able to do... but if anyone has a copy of Havelock Ellis at hand and knows where to look, I'd be interested in knowing if my recollection is correct.
(It was a long time ago. It was my Dad's copy of Havelock Ellis. Some boys find their dad's girlie magazines, some find his copy of Havelock Ellis). Dpbsmith (talk) 20:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Truly amazing, this Internet thing. It's in Project Gutenberg, ebook #13610:
—Ellis, Havelock (1927), Studies in the Psychology of Sex, Volume I,; Auto-Erotism: A Study of the Spontaneous Manifestations of the Sexual Impulse; section I; "The Sewing-machine and the Bicycle"
Erethism? ... "Abnormal irritability or sensitivity of an organ or a body part to stimulation." You learn a new word every day... Dpbsmith (talk) 20:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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Masturbation#Health and psychological effects)
Does Masturbation cause mental weakness? Some people still argue that, people who frequently perform Masturbation are mentally weaker than the people who do not (Once I read it in a book, but forget the name). There is another point I found is, It causes muscle reduction of a person (especially the person who perform bodybuilding activities).
Are they true?--
NAH
ID 13:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
from pcp111 There actually are articles indirectly supportive of the bodybuilding theory. The human body naturally produces testosterone, which is a hormone that induces hypertrophy and is found in amounts in men that are 8-10 times on average that found in women. Hypertrophy is the main aim of the heavy weight lifting that bodybuilders do. I have read articles that say overmasturbation burns too much testosterone into dihydrotestosterone(DHT), which even though is more potent than testosterone is not really a hormone that is a hypertrophy hormone. Dihydrotestosterone(DHT) is also linked with Prostate Enlargement and baldness. Check the following link : http://www.4-men.org/malehairloss.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcp111 ( talk • contribs) 15:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I think it should be mentioned that it is a perfectly normal developmental stage for boys in early puberty (11-15) to experiment their new found sexuality with their peers and to mutually masturbate (either simply masturbate in each others' presence or to actually masturbate each other, either simultaneously or sequentially). It is sometimes extended to more than two boys at a time. This behaviour is often promiscuous, with one boy having several partners at different times. as the occasion arises. The emphasis should be made that this is purely sexual without emotional contact between the partners and that it has nothing to do with homosexuality. Including such a paragraph could allay fears that boys sometimes have that they are becoming "gay". Devilinhell ( talk) 11:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)devilinhell
It is probable that many elderly males masturbate frequently, because normal sexual relations are no longer possible:
The implication in the article is that the elderly masturbate less frequently, which may be true under normal circumstances.
Those with partial or even almost complete erectile dysfunction can often reach orgasm and will go to some effort to do so, rather than use chemical or other physical stimulants. Erotic literature or imagery prior to masturbation may help them to achieve climax, which is often done very rapidly, before the penis collapses completely. Devilinhell ( talk) 12:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
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There are currently four sections to this article that each contain no more than two sentences of prose. They are mainly just pointers to other articles, so I am condensing them down into the "See also" section so that we avoid these short, choppy sections. Johntex\ talk 04:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Much of this article is biased and needs cleanup. Please fix. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.68.24.225 ( talk • contribs).
The summary section of this article now contains a sentence similar to the above. The old sentence was [Masturbation] is part of a larger set of activities known as autoeroticism which also includes the use of sexual devices meant for the use of playful use such as sex toys or other objects of use in a sexual fun filled way of fun sex toyability and non-genital stimulation. The old sentence had several problems:
For these reasons, I rewrote the sentence. It now says little; its main purpose is to provide a link to the "autoeroticism" page. We can decide later if this link is important enough to keep the sentence at all. Eric-Albert 23:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Can the person who added the tag make some comment here about what was troubling them? If not, can we assume that they meant it as some kind of joke (mastubation -> dirty -> clean up afterwards?) and remove it. -- Nigelj 00:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be both very interesting and beneficial to create a separate article for Religious views on masturbation. For anyone who is interested, there is a draft of the new article at User:CyberAnth/Religious views on masturbation. Please feel free to expand the draft! After it looks good on user space, it can be posted on to article space. CyberAnth 06:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
This article seems muddled. Ostensibly it takes the definition of masturbation to be "manual sexual stimulation" whether solo or partnered. However, some of the content (like the stuff on sex toys and prostate health) talks about masturbation as if autoeroticism were meant.
I've just taken the section called "autoeroticism" out of the article on the unusual topic of " autosexuality" (which means being sexually attracted to yourself, a la Narcissus), and made a separate autoeroticism article -- which was until now a redirect to autosexuality.
I think the "sex by hand" material on this page ought to be disentangled from the "sex with yourself" material, and the latter moved to autoeroticism.
I also think handjob and fingering (sexual act) ought to be merged here or just made redirects if they contain no notable content. Okay? DanB†DanD 00:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Masturbation is sexually stimulating oneself by touch and including the use of inanimate objects. With a partner, one might refer to a handjob as "masturbating" but only colloquially in reference to the self-action. (If you can "jack off", another person can "jack you off", for example.) Fingering would typically only be referred to as "masturbating" if that was a method that the woman preferred to use on herself.
The bottom link to "The worlds largest masturbation blog" links to a spam/advertising site. Can someone remove it please? http://www.masturbatorblog.com/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Schneider100 ( talk • contribs) 11:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
I'm really tired of wading every day through all those edits made by unregistered vandals. Should the article be semi-protected?.. Alexander Iwaschkin 11:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I reverted the following edited paragraph:
I really didn't think this unsourced nonsense needed to be discussed prior to editing. -- Evb-wiki 03:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I reverted some vandalism, and apparently chose the wrong previous version. I stand correct, my apologies. Atom 04:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Template:Linkimage has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Jeff G. 23:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Currently, this article contains the following sentence: Masturbation and sexual intercourse are the two most common sexual practices, but they are not mutually exclusive (for example, many people find the sight of their partner masturbating highly erotic). Both parts of the sentence are true, but I don't see the connection between the first part and the part in parentheses. For that matter, I don't see why it's necessary to say that masturbation and sexual intercourse "are not mutually exclusive" -- yes, it's true, but why are we pointing it out? I'm tempted to delete this sentence altogether; can folks explain why it should stay? Eric-Albert 23:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe the point the author of that line might have been making is the fact that many men and women feel that they have "failed" their partner, or aren't satisfying or appealing to them, when they find that their partner is masturbating; this is not usually the case, and pointing that out would be good. Zuiram 02:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
"Masturbation is becoming accepted as a healthy practice and safe method for sharing pleasure without the strings. It is socially accepted and even celebrated in certain circles. Group masturbation events can be found online in just about any state. Masturbation marathons are yearly events and are occurring across the globe from the U.S. to the UK. In these events provide a supportive environment where masturbation can be performed openly among young and old without embarrassment. Participants talk openly with onlookers while masturbating to share techniques and describe their pleasure. Some sources: < http://www.masturbate-a-thon.com>, < http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/masturbation-marathon-london_index.html>"
This needs some serious cleanup. "Without the strings"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aboutblank ( talk • contribs) 03:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
Hi Van, would just like some input on how to cleanup the 'Origins' section that I recently created and that you tagged for cleanup. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chris goulet ( talk • contribs) 03:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
This may or may not be of interest. It is in the wikimedia commons.-- 68.88.196.111 04:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, it is worth discussing. I am not advocating putting the image in. But, it makes me wonder, how is a still image of a male masturbating in the masturbation article encylopedic, and a moving image of it "pornography" and "not legal"? In establishing guidelines, as we are doing at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality/WIP-image-guidelines, this kind of disctinction needs to be discussed and determined. In my mind, I think it is likely that some people will be offended, and we desire to avoid that, but also, that it is not, in any way "pornographic". Since nearly every male in the English speaking world (and so english Wikipedia) masturbates nearly every day (2-7 times a week anyway), is it that it is recorded, or depicted that makes it offensive? It does not (in my opinion) meet the standard for "obscene", and therefore, not illegal. So again, why is a still image of this okay in this article, and a moving image of the same thing, not okay?? Atom 23:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Please stop stereotyping me.
Images relating to some topics cannot be informative without also running the risk of being offensive to some. However, when deciding between two equally informative images, the one which is least likely to offend (or is likely to offend the least) should be used.
And below that quote is a section indicating that Artwork is preferred over photographs.
The above are Wikipedia community standards. Also have a look here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=Image:Masturbation.jpg
In what way would artwork such as at an earlier version of this article or, better yet, something like this, and descriptions be a detriment to the article compared with the graphic video? Do you perhaps need to have it very explicitly illustrated for you how to place your hand in a circle, place it around your penis, and stroke up and down? Is there something difficult to understand or unclear to you about that description?
So who exactly is the one trying to change community standards here?
CyberAnth 05:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Please don't take it personally, I don't mean any offense. I don't intend to stereotype you. My comments are based on your words, not on any other factor. So, my apologies if it is taken that way.
The Wikipedia guidelines you reference are a work in progress, and a result of my efforts with a few other people. So, they are still in progress, and also they are guidelines (which means they help to guide those who choose to adopt -- and not policy).
The video loop was not provided by myself, it only brought up the conversation where I asked the legitimate question as to how others perceived the video loop as being different than a still image of the topic. The loop was on a talk page, and not on the main article. It had been removed from the talk page, along with the anon users comments. (Which was innapropriate).
No one has suggested using the video in the article itself (yet). My offering discussion of the topic was intended to work through guidelines and policy before someone does that.
When I was discussing community standards, it was to suggest that there is an existing community standard here of not censoring, that Wikipedia is not mean't to be safe for work, or to be safe for school children. So, when you express things like "would clearly be considered pornographic" when it isn't, and "a sick mind who would not be concerned to have their 13-year-old daughter view the video" I have to say that people who feel that way have a wrong understanding or misperception of what Wikipedia is.
Atom 13:51, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
APatcher 4 Feb. 2007
There are some weasel words in the third paragraph of "Masturbation frequency, age and sex". Could somebody please find some real references? Talk User:Fissionfox 01:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm a bit worried by the Origins section that this article now has. 'Origins' in what sense? Given that many animals and in particular other primates masturbate, are we saying that these origins date way back into evolutionary time to the point where our first common ancestors began to jiggle their own bits? Did these early mammals do this because of the various male and female physiological reasons given? Did doing so give them the evolutionary advantage that has ensured that only masturbatory animals have survived down to the present day? If so, we are sadly lacking in any references for such an evolutionary theory. Such a theory falls a bit short when it comes to the all fish, birds, molluscs, insects and other things that probably don't masturbate, but have survived too.
I think the ideas in the text are interesting and they are, in themselves, referenced. The problem is in the title and the placement. I thought of maybe changing the section heading to 'Physiological factors' or something like that. But now I feel that the text of the section should be moved down into the existing 'Health and psychological effects' section, under 'Benefits', maybe under a new sub-sub-heading and without the current Male/Female separation, other than in the text itself.
What do others think? -- Nigelj 13:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm the guy who added this section, after reading 'Sperm Wars'. Thanks for letting me know that the book isn't enough support for these bold claims. Really got me researching. I added citations; are they significant enough to put the section back? I'd put it back in about the middle of the article.
I had named the section 'Origins', not to attract too much attention from the intelligent design camp, but now I see that the 'Orgasm' page has a separate 'Evolutionary Purpose' section, so let's rename it likewise.
The orgasmic cervical upsuck theory has been discredited, so I took it out.
The Case Of The Female Orgasm: Bias In The Science Of Evolution, Elisabeth Lloyd 2005.
http://mypage.iu.edu/~ealloyd/Reviews.html#IHaveSeenVideo
The section does have a "teleological angle", but that is no reason to dismiss the implications of research in this area. --- Chris goulet 10:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
(original section in dispute)Origins
Masturbation exercises sexual functions to increase fertility during intercourse.
Female
Masturbation in females is a tool to regulate the conditions in the vagina, cervix and uterus, which is used to either increase or decrease the chances of conception from intercourse, depending on the timing of the masturbation. This timing is a subconscious decision. If she has intercourse with more than one male, it favors the chances of one or the other male's sperm reaching her egg. [1]
During orgasm, the woman's cervix extends and retracts at each contraction (cervical tenting), and the opening to the cervix gapes open. If a seminal pool is still present in the vagina when she masturbates, a significant number of sperm will be sucked up into her cervix.
She can also increase the acidity of the cervical mucus to provide protection against infections.
Male
The function of masturbation is to flush out old sperm with low motility from the male's genital tract. The next ejaculate contains more fresh sperm, which has higher chances of achieving conception during intercourse. If more than one male is having intercourse with a female, the sperm with the highest motility will compete more effectively. [2]
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(proposed edit for 'Origins' section)Evolutionary purpose
Masturbation exercises sexual functions to increase fertility during intercourse.
Masturbation in females is a tool to regulate the conditions in the vagina, cervix and uterus, which is used to either increase or decrease the chances of conception from intercourse, depending on the timing of the masturbation. This timing is a subconscious decision. If she has intercourse with more than one male, it favors the chances of one or the other male's sperm reaching her egg. [1] [2]
Female masturbation can also provide protection against cervical infections by increasing the acidity of the cervical mucus and by moving debris out of the cervix. This needs a spcific reference. If it is the reference below in Japanese Macaques, it should be made clear that this is based on animal studies and we cannot make firm conclusions in humans. I feel this pedantry is needed since it may state an unproven health benefit of masturbation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PsychoticSock ( talk • contribs) 23:53, August 22, 2007 (UTC).
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-- Chris goulet 10:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Note that the "header" image has had the ludicrous title "Mulher sentada de coxas abertas" placed on it for many months, changed from a previous accurate description by user:Atomaton back in January. If Atomaton had bothered to check, s/he might have discovered that Klimt was Austrian and did not give Portugese titles to his pictures. That's just a title uploaded by the person who added the image - presumably for Portugese Wikipedia. In fact the picture is a personal drawing. It was given no title by the artist. "Woman sitting with open legs" (in whatever language) is simply a euphemistic description used in old catalogues. It has no claim to accuracy. Paul B 00:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Just sayin'.
Chris goulet 23:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
My brief description was typo'd: I meant that it doesn't talk about masturbation specifically. Disinclination 05:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
None of those links seem to work. But with the new Google Patents Search feature ( http://www.google.com/patents), someone with some patience can correct each of those links. whysanitynet 03:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay TaylorLTD 00:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there any research to suggest that masturbation "risks" reducing sexual desire to one's partner? Or in some way reduces effort afforded to them for sexual activities? So far, there seems to be no mention of these risks, if indeed there is any truth to them. -- Rebroad 20:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[[[User:Apprentice2him|Apprentice2him]] 01:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[User:Apprentice2him|Apprentice2him]] 01:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Masturbation involving both a man and a woman (see mutual masturbation) can result in pregnancy only if semen contacts the vulva.
lol for the guy that said masterbation is a homosexual desire....wtf what bullshit!
The links section contains a link to a site at http://healthystrokes.com; I'd like to suggest either removing this link, or placing a notice next to it advertising its unreliability. The site is pernicious. While appearing to offer detailed and serious advice, it relies on spurious sources, and is written anonymously and insensitively. The site is about prone masturbation, which it refers to, bizarrely, as 'traumatic masturbatory syndrome'. It claims masturbating prone causes sexual dysfunction, and that one can become a "normal male" by refraining from masturbation and sex for weeks or months. There is just one journal article referred to in support, and this is a study of only four men. Extra support is provided by an unofficial internet survey of just 119 people. The advice given is not the mainstream view of doctors. Incredible claims are made, such as "Males who masturbate face down, if they can have intercourse at all, are limited to the missionary position." Wikipedia isn't responsible for the content of external websites, but it shouldn't point people towards an apparently credible source of misinformation, and one that could cause unnecessary suffering. 86.143.153.34 01:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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Is this a joke? You're not really trying to be serious are you? In the first place masturbation is not a homosexual act, intrinsically. Secondly, until you have legitimate, respected citations of sources that agree with your ridiculous "correct" edit it has no place on this page. Period. Wikipedia isn't opinion. --Aylwinatrix Wednesday Feb 7, 07
It is not a joke and I am being serious. Wikipedia should report the facts, and this is a fact. It is not my fault if you are in denial of your true sexuality. If you masturbate you are showing you have homosexual urges and are either homosexual or bisexual. Furthermore, I have no idea why you, or anyone, would wish to degrade themselves by doing this. -- Michael K. Smith 20:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
When did I ever say in this, or any other post, that I masturbate? All I ever wrote about was the rules of Wikipedia, which is to post only information that is pertinent, and well-researched. Wikipedia does not exist to post unverifiable opinion. If what you say is a "fact" it should be very easy to find sources that support this "fact". If you can find independent sources that back your opinion, then feel free to post that information. If you can't then you should expect to have your edits be reverted. Also your inferences about me are quite personal and offensive. I plan on reporting you to the moderators of this site. I never removed any of your meritless posts, I only explained to you why they are continually removed.
-- Aylwinatrix 09:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Aylwinatrix
That person is either crazy or trying to be a smart ass. Masturbation is clearly not homosexual or bisexual in a true sense and it's not the least degrading. And why do some people have such issues with pleasure? If you never masturbate, it's like being super rich but never buying anything. CerealBabyMilk 10:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually masturbating is degrading for the same reason Immanuel Kant gave. I am not crazy nor I am trying to be a "smart ass". I am simply telling the truth; it is not my fault if you can't handle the truth that it is degrading etc. As for "pleasure", just as masturbating feels good does not mean it is morally acceptable. There are many who find rape pleasurable (the rapist), however the human being raped does not find it enjoyable. Just as something feels good, does not make it morally right. Aylwinatrix - you need to relax, seriously. Something is not determined to be a "fact" just as the majority believe it; just like something is not untrue simply as it is only believed by a minority. The majority of humans believe in a Supreme Being - but this does not mean such a thing exists. Just like the majority may not find masturbating to be degrading and a homosexual act; but the truth is that it is degrading and a homosexual act.
I am not crazy or George W. Bush. Why are you assuming I am male? I know that you are all getting angry as you are in denial. You can not accept the fact that something you all do (masturbating) is actually degrading and that you have homosexual urges.
[QUOTE]I should like to regretfully report vandalism by 86.135.39.79.The anonymous user has been warned several times. In addition to this, when I attempted to explain why his posts were deleted, and what he should do to avoid their deletion, he became personally insulting, in specifically homophobic way. While I am heterosexual, these attacks were all the same offensive, und unwarranted. Pages he continually vandalize include masturbation and suicide . Thanks very much, -- Aylwinatrix 10:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Aylwinatrix[QUOTE]
1. Where have I insulted you? If I did it was not deliberate. 2. Why are assuming I am male? You use "he". 3. How am I being homophobic?
What is it with you crackers?
86.135.39.79, I'm not going to continue in this exchange with you any more. Anyone's personal opinions on objective truth are irrelevant when it comes to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia. Its entries must be cited by other sources as being verifiable, otherwise they are likely going to be removed. It truly isn't personal, Wikipedia simply has specific standards. I hope your future posts meet these standards. And you were intentionally trying to be insulting to provoke a reaction from me. You assumed I masturbate, and also insinuated that because of this, I am homosexual, bisexual or incestuous. These statements are quite personal, uncivil, and completely inappropriate for this site. Furthermore, your implication is that homosexuality is a negative trait, especially if you are using it alongside incest. If you're looking for a fight, you won't get one. All I am doing is following the rules of Wikipedia, which are clear and easy to follow for many of us. Aylwinatrix 20:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Aylwinatrix
I love you guys. CerealBabyMilk 00:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The article is about masturbation, not homosexuality... :P CerealBabyMilk 12:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The article states that: "Tissot argued that semen was an "essential oil" and "stimulus" that, when lost from the body in great amounts, would cause "a perceptible reduction of strength, of memory and even of reason; blurred vision, all the nervous disorders, all types of gout and rheumatism, weakening of the organs of generation, blood in the urine, disturbance of the appetite, headaches and a great number of other disorders.'"
- Ellen G. White was also a firm believer that masturbation a detremental act to ones' health. She believed that one's diet had a direct correlation with one's urge to masturbate. She claimed that a bland diet consisting of vegtables, wheat breads, and water would lead to a diminished urge to masturbate and thus would lead to a healthier and more fulfilling life. (Numbers, "Sex, Science, and Salvation", page 208)
Hi! The article “Masturbation” devotes a huge amount of the space to unscientific and non-supported nonsense - so-called “traumatic masturbatory syndrome (TMS)”- which is not accepted by the specialists in the area of sex research and education. It is interesting that there was the separate entry “traumatic masturbatory syndrome” in Wikipedia the several years ago, which spread the same nonsense, and I believe it was removed. It is great! However, the part of this removed entry went to the more readable article “Masturbation”. The article does mention such leading sex researchers as W. Masters, J. Money, E. Coleman, J. Bancroft and others, but indicates so-called sex therapist Eva Margolies whose publications, among others, have such a title “...How to be Sexier Without Surger, Weight Lost, or Cleavage” Is it credible? Can such inaccurate information exist in the encyclopedia? It is a very sensitive and readable subject, and information has to be accurate. This is very sad! The article is marked high important!!!! Who spreads this nonsense about so -called TMS??? So many people have express the valid point that unscientific information about TMS has to be deleted, but the same misinformation continues to be present!!!! How can one editor from Healthy Stroke without can damage the article "masturbation". A new Mr.Tissot? Do we want to advertise "Healthystroke" site or we want to have a credible and accurate entry? TMS in "Masturbation" has to be deleted. To prove my point please read an answer on TMS in another very popular Internet site “Co Ask Alice” of Columbia University. The bottom line is that the unscientific inaccurate information on TMS has to be removed from the article “Masturbation”. Qazqwe50 18:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I have not read the discussion prior I included my comments. All participants in this disccussion state to remove any indication on TMS. Why and what Wikipedia wait for? Why has not it removed yet? Why can the ignorance and misinformation prevail in this important project, like Wikipedia? Editors are doing a very bad job!!!! Qazqwe50 18:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I want to strongly suggest to delete the section of Prone Masturbation and TMS, bacause it is not a fact, but by Dr.Sank's words, it was only his hypothesis based on 4 observations. This section is Wikipedia and spreads misinformation. The section is based on the opinions, hypothesis and does not fit Wikipedia's rules. It is shame! We expect that editors will act and remove it immediatly. Thank you Qazqwe50 Qazqwe50 18:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Once gain, when can we expect that the section on TMS be deleted? It was hypothesis, not a a fact, also not SCIENCE. Please ask Dr Sank now about his article! It was shame! Please read scientific book on sexulaity! This hypothesis was not accepetd due to the fact that sexual disfunctions are more complicated issue and depends on person's emotional, psychological and/or physical well-being, but not masturbatory style.
Qazqwe50
Qazqwe50 18:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I think something should be said in this article about the general consensus agreement that if you shake your penis more than three times after urinating it then becomes masturbation. Slowbro 07:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have come across a number of videos regarding US food industry castrating cattles on a large scale with no anesthetic medication. Basically these animals have their testicles ripped out with maximum pain on an extremely massive scale. Is there anything that can help animals masturbate to control their aggression? Maybe a machine or a tool? GodBwithU 13:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following paragraph from the Male section:
While I have no qualms about the inclusion of what is described in the paragraph, I merely find the paragraph to be quite clumsy and reads more like an instructional rather than an ecyclopedia article. I don't mind at all if the information is reworded to sound more encyclopedic and placed back into the article. However, I must admit that "wet toilet walls" is a new one to me. ExRat 01:11, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, but I just don't care. Best of wishes. =]
It seems to me that autoeroticism and masturbation are basically two articles about the same thing. Should Autoeroticism be merged here? Jibjibjib 11:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
User:70.55.113.128|70.55.113.128]] 13:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
In the section titled "medical attitudes," the words "Gallup Poll" appear twice--lower case in both instances. "Gallup Poll" should be capitalized.
I'm about to rewrite the definition that begins this article, which currently states that masturbation requires "manual excitation". This is not true: people can masturbate by inserting objects, by using vibrators, by rubbing against objects (or other people), and so on. In fact, the article describes these methods a little further down, under the heading "Masturbation techniques." I will base my definition on the one in Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary but I will, of course, significantly reword it. Eric-Albert 22:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I've always understood mutual masturbation to mean two, or more, persons physically masturbating each other, i.e. - masturbating the genitals of another person. A slang phrase for that is "cross country skiing". Persons masturbating themselves in the presence of others in the same place, but not touching, is called, in slanguage, a circle jerk (at least for boys, I don't even know if girls do that). Then there is phone sex, cybersex, webcam sex, and explicit role playing games, a lot of which involves masturbation. At least on one end of the connection, virtual or otherwise. As well as masturbation in the presence of others, such as by roommates, or in military barracks, shipboard quarters, prisons, buses, etc. Those activities may be stealthy—that is not intended to be shared erotic experiences (or not). How does one classify all those activities? ... — Becksguy 09:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
As i've read whole article, i've noticed that there's no warning of risk at masturbating at teenagers. There are even some articles that let me believe it that's ok... "While females aged 13–17 masturbated almost once a day on average (and almost as often as their male peers)" and " Masturbating frequently presents no physical, mental or emotional risk in itself " . This means that masturbating at 13-17 age (teenagers) is not risk of anything ? Please clear me up. Thanks. P.S. : I'm new in here and hope it is allowed to post this here. Nuker3 07:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
This is frequently followed closely by drowsiness and sleep – particularly when one masturbates in bed
This is hilarious —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.157.241.42 ( talk) 09:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not certain about the validity of the reference pertaining to the Sambia. The page it links to doesn't seem to be a particularly scholarly source. Does this culture exist, and is there a better reference we could use? -- 98.207.92.147 20:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
The sexual practices of the Samia tribe is old news and is not contested and often quoted. One research article was published in this journal (you may have to actually walk into a university library for this): Herdt, G. (1990) Developmental discontinuities and sexual orientation across cultures . In: McWhirter, D.P., Sanders, S.A. and Reinisch, J.M., (Eds.) Homosexuality/Heterosexuality, pp. 208-236. New York: Oxford University Press.
A movie was even made Called "Guardians of the flutes" by the BBC and can be aquired at Barnes and Noble and other resellers: < http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&ean=9780226327495>
The article is locked for editing but there is an error in it. The "Sambia" tribe link points to an incorrect article. In fact, the proper article doesn't exist but we could point to "Gilbert Herdt" article instead (who reported on the sexual behavior of the tribe), I believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.102.131 ( talk) 10:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
A new sub-topic should be included in the masturbation describing what religion says about it. As this practice is prohibited in all religions. This discussion should include points dictating that this habit is against the nature and of course harmaful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.53.226 ( talk) 18:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
We Catholics believe that masturbation is a sin, and it is also a common belief (at least in Poland) that God punishes it with acne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.28.4 ( talk) 17:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Four common terms in the Etymology section of the article were removed by USER:Nigelj. See the diff here. The terms removed were: jerking off, spanking the monkey, choking the chicken, and beating the meat. Leaving pleasuring oneself, and wanking. Adding a link to Wikisaurus is a great idea, but at least one of the deleted terms is among the most common US colloquial terms used. Wanking is mostly of British usage. Pleasuring oneself may, or may not, be common in some circles—it actually sounds more literary—but the most common US term is probably jerking off, followed by jacking off, and beating off, and others. The term Spanking the monkey was popular enough that a movie was released with that title in 1994, which included major references to the subject, so that should stay in. While I agree that this section should not grow to include a long list of colloquialisms, a few of the more common terms should be put back in. Jerking off gets about 4.2 million goggle hits, and jacking off gets about 3.3M ghits. Also, if a common British term is listed, so should a common American term. I'm replacing the term jerking off for the reasons given. — Becksguy 10:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
In the female section, it is noted that a woman can rub against objects, including a "washing machine". Clearly barefoot-in-the-kitchen sexism. What's next, masturbating while cooking dinner or doing the dishes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages Thank you. Asarelah 00:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The reference to masturbating by rubbing against a vibrating washing machine was great! I've certainly done it. It is healing (not to mention informative) to see a topic (masturbation) that is so culturally charged treated in such a neutral manner, and the specific references are wonderful. Some of us have wondered whether we're the only ones doing something. (For the record, I'm a woman whose sexual experiences have been with women, and I certainly am no barefoot-in-the-kitchen housewife!)
This accusation of sexism is totaly off mark, just a kneejerk reaction. The old washing machine masturbation referance has been around for ages, as far as large appliance masturbation goes, washing machine is much more well known than anything else, just google it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.89.173 ( talk) 21:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
IIRC somewhere in Havelock Ellis there's a passage about seamstresses in early-1900s sweatshops sitting in just the right position while operating the treadle (of the non-motorized sewing machine). He says that from time to time observers would hear one sewing machine in the group suddenly speed up. I'm not going to put this in the article unless I can find a proper reference... which it's not likely that I'll be able to do... but if anyone has a copy of Havelock Ellis at hand and knows where to look, I'd be interested in knowing if my recollection is correct.
(It was a long time ago. It was my Dad's copy of Havelock Ellis. Some boys find their dad's girlie magazines, some find his copy of Havelock Ellis). Dpbsmith (talk) 20:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Truly amazing, this Internet thing. It's in Project Gutenberg, ebook #13610:
—Ellis, Havelock (1927), Studies in the Psychology of Sex, Volume I,; Auto-Erotism: A Study of the Spontaneous Manifestations of the Sexual Impulse; section I; "The Sewing-machine and the Bicycle"
Erethism? ... "Abnormal irritability or sensitivity of an organ or a body part to stimulation." You learn a new word every day... Dpbsmith (talk) 20:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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Masturbation#Health and psychological effects)
Does Masturbation cause mental weakness? Some people still argue that, people who frequently perform Masturbation are mentally weaker than the people who do not (Once I read it in a book, but forget the name). There is another point I found is, It causes muscle reduction of a person (especially the person who perform bodybuilding activities).
Are they true?--
NAH
ID 13:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
from pcp111 There actually are articles indirectly supportive of the bodybuilding theory. The human body naturally produces testosterone, which is a hormone that induces hypertrophy and is found in amounts in men that are 8-10 times on average that found in women. Hypertrophy is the main aim of the heavy weight lifting that bodybuilders do. I have read articles that say overmasturbation burns too much testosterone into dihydrotestosterone(DHT), which even though is more potent than testosterone is not really a hormone that is a hypertrophy hormone. Dihydrotestosterone(DHT) is also linked with Prostate Enlargement and baldness. Check the following link : http://www.4-men.org/malehairloss.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcp111 ( talk • contribs) 15:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I think it should be mentioned that it is a perfectly normal developmental stage for boys in early puberty (11-15) to experiment their new found sexuality with their peers and to mutually masturbate (either simply masturbate in each others' presence or to actually masturbate each other, either simultaneously or sequentially). It is sometimes extended to more than two boys at a time. This behaviour is often promiscuous, with one boy having several partners at different times. as the occasion arises. The emphasis should be made that this is purely sexual without emotional contact between the partners and that it has nothing to do with homosexuality. Including such a paragraph could allay fears that boys sometimes have that they are becoming "gay". Devilinhell ( talk) 11:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)devilinhell
It is probable that many elderly males masturbate frequently, because normal sexual relations are no longer possible:
The implication in the article is that the elderly masturbate less frequently, which may be true under normal circumstances.
Those with partial or even almost complete erectile dysfunction can often reach orgasm and will go to some effort to do so, rather than use chemical or other physical stimulants. Erotic literature or imagery prior to masturbation may help them to achieve climax, which is often done very rapidly, before the penis collapses completely. Devilinhell ( talk) 12:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)