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Masturbation and ejaculation reduces the sperm count of future ejaculations until the sperm count has been normalized. This is in direct contradiction to "Masturbation may increase fertility during intercourse". Masturbation will lower the fertility rate if done to ejaculation days before a male is trying to ejaculate into a female with the goal of getting her pregnant. Boilingorangejuice ( talk) 22:40, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
This entry was brought up in a Reddit thread and someone did some research and found one of your sources to be somewhat dubious, while being the sole source for some info, thought I'd let y'all know. http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4k9qzc/til_that_nannies_would_masturbate_their_children/d3dp2xz Kilshin ( talk) 13:03, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Some of the links are broken, such as this one.
https://www.kinseyinstitute.org/research/ak-data.html#masturbation
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A circumcised perspective might be appropriate to add as well seeing as there are equally many circumcised males as there are uncircumcised. Fimbulvintur ( talk) 06:09, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
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I'm not an idiot. Arided *is* making a medical claim, namely an increase in testosterone. WP:MEDRS applies to such claims, and the source is not WP:MEDRS-compliant. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 01:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
One point to make here is that /info/en/?search=Category:Masturbation does include a link to NoFap -- that is, NoFap was (prior to my entry into this conversation) part of the category of pages on masturbation. It would make some sense for the main page ( Masturbation) to include a narrative overview of most of the pages in the category, and certainly seems acceptable to link to them as needed. Arided ( talk) 03:41, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
For any newcomers to this discussion, I'm copying below the latest text that is under debate here. I want to point out that the {{medrs}} tag doesn't really apply here anymore, because the text is strictly about a "cultural view and practice". In particular, it is not being discussed as a fringe medical theory but as a non-mainstream online community. The references used are in line with that. Arided ( talk) 14:36, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
The NoFap subreddit was formed on the online news and discussion site Reddit in 2011, and currently has over 200000 subscribers. [1] The community describes itself as "a moderated community-centered website that hosts challenges in which users (“Fapstronauts“) abstain from pornography and masturbation for a period of time." [1] More broadly, the site promotes abstinence from porn, masturbation, and orgasm, particularly as a cluster of linked activities (abbreviated "PMO" in the NoFap lexicon).
Critics suggest that scientific evidence for the claimed benefits of such abstinence is lacking, and indeed several studies have found that people who masturbate report better physical and psychological health (see " General benefits" section, above). Nevertheless, the NoFap "movement" [2] has attracted interest as a cultural phenomenon: one expert on sexual addiction, the therapist Robert Weiss, who has written extensively on the relationship between digital technology and human sexuality, views the NoFap movement as part of a "tech backlash":
"In essence, the movement is less about not masturbating than it is about not engaging with “sexnology“ to the exclusion of in-the-flesh intimate encounters." [3]
Nevertheless, members of the community often share their experiences online, often by tracking the number of days they have participated in the "no masturbation challenge." [4]
I oppose inclusion of content about the fringe NoFap fad into this article. The proper place for well-referenced material about this is NoFap and nowhere else. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:44, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Here is an article that talks about the (perceived, anecdotal) benefits of not masturbating: https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/things-i-learned-while-not-wanking-336 It doesn't mention NoFap. Here is another one with a similar theme that does mention NoFap: http://nymag.com/news/features/anti-masturbation-2013-4/index1.html Here is a research article that is pre-NoFap that goes into detail (with a focus on women): http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00926239408403429
Expanding this idea - I'm sure more citations can be found - I'd propose writing a section on "abstaining from masturbation" that gives due weight to NoFap. I.e., not pretending that it doesn't exist, not characterising its claims as scientific, etc., but nevertheless including it as a significant current cultural phenomenon. I'd be happy to supply some draft text. What do people think of this idea? Arided ( talk) 02:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that the History and society section is almost entirely Western or Near-eastern. And within the Western sphere it is pretty incomplete, e.g., it doesn't mention Freud, which seems a bit strange! I realise that there is another article elsewhere, so on that note this section also seems a bit too long. Compare the section on religious views, which at the moment is just a couple of lines long. Arided ( talk) 04:36, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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Question: Should NoFap be mentioned in this article? Please see the above discussion for background. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 02:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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Some additional insightful (template-related) comments about why many pages link to NoFap here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#How_and_whether_to_discuss_NoFap_in_the_context_of_Masturbation Arided ( talk) 18:18, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
The article includes much information on supposed benefits. Yet traditionally masturbation was seen as harmful, and to the extent that there are any physiological effects, these are largely harmful. This should be stated. 203.80.61.102 ( talk) 04:17, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
the following was added here. I've moved it here for discussion.
Psychologists Mark Sergeant and Cliff Arnall said a masturbation break at the workplace could be effective for relieving tension and stress and thus potentially resulting in less aggression, more focus on work tasks, "higher work productivity, and more smiling." [1]
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seems entirely UNDUE to me. Jytdog ( talk) 04:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
One thing I feel is a shame about this article is that it's so West-centric. Attitudes to masturbation and whether it is normal (a subjective word) vary so much around the world, but instead of representing the human population as a whole, this article only focuses on Western culture. I myself am Canadian, but I still feel other major world cultures (Chinese, Moslem, various African cultures, etc.) should be portrayed on the same level with Western culture, even those which discourage mastirbation. I do not have sufficient knowledge of other cultures, but if others who do could add to the article, that would be a step in the right direction. DorothyMacaily ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
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The discussion of masturbation is covered extensively in a 72-minute documentary called
Sticky: A (Self) Love Story. The documentary written, directed, and produced by
Nicholas Tana features interviews with over sixty experts to include: sex educators, authors, lawmakers, a famous porn star, a priest, a rabbi, college professors, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a primatologist, several doctors, a chi kung master, and several psychiatrists.
The more celebrated figures who appear in the film are the first African American Surgeon General, Dr. Joycelyn Elders, comedian Janeane Garofalo, "Hustler" magazine founder Larry Flynt, porn star Nina Hartley, "I Touch Myself" co-writer Billy Steinberg, sex educator Betty Dodson, comedian ANT, and Film Threat founder Chris Gore. The movie attempts to demonstrate how masturbation is the world's most popular taboo by taking a historical, moral, political, medical, and sociological look at why this common sexual act is still looked upon as shameful and difficult to talk about. [1] [2]
The film is divided into sections narrated by the director, which explore in some detail the billion dollar sex toy industry, the anti-obscenity ban that prevents the sale of sex toys in Alabama, several studies surrounding masturbation and prostate cancer, the high publicity arrest of Paul Reu-bens at an adult theater and how damaged his career, Larry Flynt's fight to protect his first amendment rights, the controversial firing of the first African American surgeon general by Bill Clinton over her comments on World AIDS Day about masturbation and sex education, and the suicide of a San Diego high school student allegedly shamed for having been caught on camera masturbating. The film also addresses concerns about porn addiction and sexual compulsion while promoting the potential health benefits of masturbation.
The feature length documentary has screened in theaters around the world since its initial re-lease on VOD in February 14, 2016. [3] [4] [5] [6]
[7] [8] [9] [10] [136] Aeogh ( talk) 09:11, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, i am wondering if pictures form this [3] could be included here on wiki. Question is if there is any law in the US, where the servers are, that would then rate these images as pornography and hence possibly prohibit that?. Otherwise for the encyclopedicpurpose they are probably good. -- Joobo ( talk) 13:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Until now no answer was given by a legally erudite User, hence the talk is not done. I am going to follow the advice of other users to simply ignore your tedious actions on WP.-- Joobo ( talk) 23:46, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
For some years there was one photo each for the sections 'Male' and 'Female'. I don't know what the rationale was for their removal. We don't remove things because 'children might see it,' or because it might be illegal somewhere on earth. -- Nigelj ( talk) 07:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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Enthusiast01, per what I stated above. Per
WP:GRATUITOUS,
the drawing of the woman is less likely to cause offense than
the real-life image of the man. And not because it depicts a woman, but because it is the least graphic since real-life images are considered more of an issue and since the image of the woman is not drawn in great detail. Because of this and because it is standard to have one lead image, the drawing of the woman is the better lead image. Readers do not need an "in your face" picture of a real man or real woman masturbating as the lead image. And such imagery has time and again given readers an unprofessional feel when clicking on our sexual activity articles, which is why we now mainly use drawings or paintings in our sexual activity articles. Furthermore, we currently
have an image of a real-life man masturbating lower in the article. I don't think we need an image of a man masturbating in the lead to "balance out" the female one. But if we do include one, it should also be a drawing or painting and the side-by-side imagery should look uniform.
The side by side imagery by Enthusiast01 did not look uniform; it looked "off."
As for the text that Enthusiast01 added, the "For males, masturbation involves the stimulation of the penis using a hand" part was fine, but the "while for females it can involve the stimulation of the clitoris with a hand, finger, everyday object, sex toy such as a vibrator, or a combination of these" part was not. This is because, although women primarily masturbate using the clitoris, some do use their vagina to masturbate, and men also use everyday objects and/or sex toys to masturbate. And keep in mind that a sex doll is also a sex toy, and sex dolls are far more popular among men than among women. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 19:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
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well i think that because of known facta about smean and theat mastubation causes the female cviration andmovemernto furethra then that these fxfts supporting this mean that the fmale risk is there and that th emale ris is there and the line should be drawn and that this should be shown in this srticle clearly siting that reproduction processes and mastubation too on wiipedia be only for th eactual reason of reproduction that such things as extras are as is known casuation of disease risk and death in th elong term so the real truth that is virations casue eggs to descend form the felmal epassge as such and that the male ejectulate is a baby reprocution juice not for playing this will support better health of th epoppualtion and showw care understanding and belief. i think it is disregarding to ide form the truth. this wil reduce thus the ammount of sexual play and outside repricution behaviour impriving behaviour even from very existence Jameskenobi ( talk) 17:04, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Yet another case of the high & mighty admins knowing what is best for the rest of us. Wikipedia has lost its way and is a travesty of its former self. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.250.246.239 ( talk) 00:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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Please change http://advancedmasturbation.com/ to https://uvipe.com/enlargement/male-masturbation-techniques. Vass.addword ( talk) 10:12, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
A cursory glance at the article raises some points that I think we could discuss here- the point seems to be the lack of accessible material that a 13-14 can find on the subject when Sex Education at school fails to deliver.
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There is a lot to think about in the Guardian article- and a lot to discuss here. Ping me if you would like me to join in- I am not watching this article. ClemRutter ( talk) 16:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
unless doing so is shorter or clearerappears to be be the critical bit! I am talking about clarity. I followed your backlink to WP:MOS and looked closely in how they interpreted "
or to higher-level headings" by examining their TOC. 9.7, 9.8 then 10.12, 10.15 and 10.16 all go clarity. To take this one further- Mutual masturbation is OK but Female masturbation would not be. I think I will stick by my interpretation. WP:Spinout, WP:No page and WP:No split would not apply as no new articles are proposed. I am suggesting that the redirect on Female masturbation is changed to Fingering- which will then link through as it does at present. This will give a more accessible introduction for the category of reader that has been identified in the Guardian article above. ClemRutter ( talk) 15:46, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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the particularized info might be obsolete and shall be edited. 151.242.175.140 ( talk) 20:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
So guys according to this article, Masturbation was healthy really? it makes your bone weak and loses weight probably. 49.148.252.4 ( talk) 22:27, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand the templates from [5]: WP:LEDE abstracts the body, right? So, the citations are in the body of the article, not in the lead section. Therefore the citation needed template is useless. Similarly, citations make clear who considers the claims as factual. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 13:34, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
I propose that Autopederasty be merged here. Cientific124 created the article. The thing is, though, this is a highly unusual sexual practice that the vast majority of men do not have the ability to do, and there is not much that can be added on the topic. See WP:No page. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 17:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Merged per the article's talk page discussion/what I stated above. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:11, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Nigelj, regarding this, I'm obviously in agreement that this is an encyclopedia and "not a fantasy magazine." But it is better to have autopederasty covered here than for it to have its own Wikipedia article. Right now, autopederasty redirects here, but there is no content in the article on it because of your removal. Autofellatio does have a Wikipedia article; it could be linked in the See also section here, or we could leave the Fellatio article to cover it in its Practice section (like it currently does). Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 20:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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How to far this Masturbation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4064:39D:6A80:41E9:78EC:2F11:85DF ( talk) 16:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I've just had a look around some research in this area, and it looks like there is a notable amount of research which together presents a negative correlation between masturbation and many positive traits (e.g. happiness, schizophrenia, erectile function, body fatness, depression etc.), as reviewed in the paper "The Relative Health Benefits of Different Sexual Activities" by Stuart Brody in The Journal of Sexual Medicine. I feel that this research should be presented in this article in the health effects section, especially as a statement to the contrary (i.e. "It is held in many mental health circles that masturbation can relieve depression and lead to a higher sense of self-esteem") is included in this section.
Thing789 ( talk) 14:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
My 'attitude', and that of Wikipedia (arrived at through consensus) is that we don't write about bullcrap except in articles on the subject of bullcrap - and when we do we say 'this is bullcrap' in big shiny letters...
— AndyTheGrump, [6]
And, yes, it fails WP:MEDRS because it is a pathetic attempt at writing a systematic review (you don't review just papers by yourself and by your pals).To be sure, this applies to other papers by Brody, not the present one. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 07:37, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Yup, Brody figures prominently upon AIDS denialism websites, specifically for his claims that for people who practice PVI only and don't do drugs and blood transfusions, it is more likely to be struck by lightning than getting infected with AIDS through sexual intercourse. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 23:57, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
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Masturbation and ejaculation reduces the sperm count of future ejaculations until the sperm count has been normalized. This is in direct contradiction to "Masturbation may increase fertility during intercourse". Masturbation will lower the fertility rate if done to ejaculation days before a male is trying to ejaculate into a female with the goal of getting her pregnant. Boilingorangejuice ( talk) 22:40, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
This entry was brought up in a Reddit thread and someone did some research and found one of your sources to be somewhat dubious, while being the sole source for some info, thought I'd let y'all know. http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4k9qzc/til_that_nannies_would_masturbate_their_children/d3dp2xz Kilshin ( talk) 13:03, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Some of the links are broken, such as this one.
https://www.kinseyinstitute.org/research/ak-data.html#masturbation
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A circumcised perspective might be appropriate to add as well seeing as there are equally many circumcised males as there are uncircumcised. Fimbulvintur ( talk) 06:09, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
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I'm not an idiot. Arided *is* making a medical claim, namely an increase in testosterone. WP:MEDRS applies to such claims, and the source is not WP:MEDRS-compliant. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 01:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
One point to make here is that /info/en/?search=Category:Masturbation does include a link to NoFap -- that is, NoFap was (prior to my entry into this conversation) part of the category of pages on masturbation. It would make some sense for the main page ( Masturbation) to include a narrative overview of most of the pages in the category, and certainly seems acceptable to link to them as needed. Arided ( talk) 03:41, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
For any newcomers to this discussion, I'm copying below the latest text that is under debate here. I want to point out that the {{medrs}} tag doesn't really apply here anymore, because the text is strictly about a "cultural view and practice". In particular, it is not being discussed as a fringe medical theory but as a non-mainstream online community. The references used are in line with that. Arided ( talk) 14:36, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
The NoFap subreddit was formed on the online news and discussion site Reddit in 2011, and currently has over 200000 subscribers. [1] The community describes itself as "a moderated community-centered website that hosts challenges in which users (“Fapstronauts“) abstain from pornography and masturbation for a period of time." [1] More broadly, the site promotes abstinence from porn, masturbation, and orgasm, particularly as a cluster of linked activities (abbreviated "PMO" in the NoFap lexicon).
Critics suggest that scientific evidence for the claimed benefits of such abstinence is lacking, and indeed several studies have found that people who masturbate report better physical and psychological health (see " General benefits" section, above). Nevertheless, the NoFap "movement" [2] has attracted interest as a cultural phenomenon: one expert on sexual addiction, the therapist Robert Weiss, who has written extensively on the relationship between digital technology and human sexuality, views the NoFap movement as part of a "tech backlash":
"In essence, the movement is less about not masturbating than it is about not engaging with “sexnology“ to the exclusion of in-the-flesh intimate encounters." [3]
Nevertheless, members of the community often share their experiences online, often by tracking the number of days they have participated in the "no masturbation challenge." [4]
I oppose inclusion of content about the fringe NoFap fad into this article. The proper place for well-referenced material about this is NoFap and nowhere else. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:44, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Here is an article that talks about the (perceived, anecdotal) benefits of not masturbating: https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/things-i-learned-while-not-wanking-336 It doesn't mention NoFap. Here is another one with a similar theme that does mention NoFap: http://nymag.com/news/features/anti-masturbation-2013-4/index1.html Here is a research article that is pre-NoFap that goes into detail (with a focus on women): http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00926239408403429
Expanding this idea - I'm sure more citations can be found - I'd propose writing a section on "abstaining from masturbation" that gives due weight to NoFap. I.e., not pretending that it doesn't exist, not characterising its claims as scientific, etc., but nevertheless including it as a significant current cultural phenomenon. I'd be happy to supply some draft text. What do people think of this idea? Arided ( talk) 02:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that the History and society section is almost entirely Western or Near-eastern. And within the Western sphere it is pretty incomplete, e.g., it doesn't mention Freud, which seems a bit strange! I realise that there is another article elsewhere, so on that note this section also seems a bit too long. Compare the section on religious views, which at the moment is just a couple of lines long. Arided ( talk) 04:36, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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Question: Should NoFap be mentioned in this article? Please see the above discussion for background. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 02:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
FYI. I note that notwithstanding this advice, this edit to the template itself has been effected, with this edit. I have been unable to locate the 'discussion on the talk page' referred to in the edit summary. O Fortuna! ...Imperatrix mundi.
Some additional insightful (template-related) comments about why many pages link to NoFap here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#How_and_whether_to_discuss_NoFap_in_the_context_of_Masturbation Arided ( talk) 18:18, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
The article includes much information on supposed benefits. Yet traditionally masturbation was seen as harmful, and to the extent that there are any physiological effects, these are largely harmful. This should be stated. 203.80.61.102 ( talk) 04:17, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
the following was added here. I've moved it here for discussion.
Psychologists Mark Sergeant and Cliff Arnall said a masturbation break at the workplace could be effective for relieving tension and stress and thus potentially resulting in less aggression, more focus on work tasks, "higher work productivity, and more smiling." [1]
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seems entirely UNDUE to me. Jytdog ( talk) 04:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
One thing I feel is a shame about this article is that it's so West-centric. Attitudes to masturbation and whether it is normal (a subjective word) vary so much around the world, but instead of representing the human population as a whole, this article only focuses on Western culture. I myself am Canadian, but I still feel other major world cultures (Chinese, Moslem, various African cultures, etc.) should be portrayed on the same level with Western culture, even those which discourage mastirbation. I do not have sufficient knowledge of other cultures, but if others who do could add to the article, that would be a step in the right direction. DorothyMacaily ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
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The discussion of masturbation is covered extensively in a 72-minute documentary called
Sticky: A (Self) Love Story. The documentary written, directed, and produced by
Nicholas Tana features interviews with over sixty experts to include: sex educators, authors, lawmakers, a famous porn star, a priest, a rabbi, college professors, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a primatologist, several doctors, a chi kung master, and several psychiatrists.
The more celebrated figures who appear in the film are the first African American Surgeon General, Dr. Joycelyn Elders, comedian Janeane Garofalo, "Hustler" magazine founder Larry Flynt, porn star Nina Hartley, "I Touch Myself" co-writer Billy Steinberg, sex educator Betty Dodson, comedian ANT, and Film Threat founder Chris Gore. The movie attempts to demonstrate how masturbation is the world's most popular taboo by taking a historical, moral, political, medical, and sociological look at why this common sexual act is still looked upon as shameful and difficult to talk about. [1] [2]
The film is divided into sections narrated by the director, which explore in some detail the billion dollar sex toy industry, the anti-obscenity ban that prevents the sale of sex toys in Alabama, several studies surrounding masturbation and prostate cancer, the high publicity arrest of Paul Reu-bens at an adult theater and how damaged his career, Larry Flynt's fight to protect his first amendment rights, the controversial firing of the first African American surgeon general by Bill Clinton over her comments on World AIDS Day about masturbation and sex education, and the suicide of a San Diego high school student allegedly shamed for having been caught on camera masturbating. The film also addresses concerns about porn addiction and sexual compulsion while promoting the potential health benefits of masturbation.
The feature length documentary has screened in theaters around the world since its initial re-lease on VOD in February 14, 2016. [3] [4] [5] [6]
[7] [8] [9] [10] [136] Aeogh ( talk) 09:11, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, i am wondering if pictures form this [3] could be included here on wiki. Question is if there is any law in the US, where the servers are, that would then rate these images as pornography and hence possibly prohibit that?. Otherwise for the encyclopedicpurpose they are probably good. -- Joobo ( talk) 13:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Until now no answer was given by a legally erudite User, hence the talk is not done. I am going to follow the advice of other users to simply ignore your tedious actions on WP.-- Joobo ( talk) 23:46, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
For some years there was one photo each for the sections 'Male' and 'Female'. I don't know what the rationale was for their removal. We don't remove things because 'children might see it,' or because it might be illegal somewhere on earth. -- Nigelj ( talk) 07:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I
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Enthusiast01, per what I stated above. Per
WP:GRATUITOUS,
the drawing of the woman is less likely to cause offense than
the real-life image of the man. And not because it depicts a woman, but because it is the least graphic since real-life images are considered more of an issue and since the image of the woman is not drawn in great detail. Because of this and because it is standard to have one lead image, the drawing of the woman is the better lead image. Readers do not need an "in your face" picture of a real man or real woman masturbating as the lead image. And such imagery has time and again given readers an unprofessional feel when clicking on our sexual activity articles, which is why we now mainly use drawings or paintings in our sexual activity articles. Furthermore, we currently
have an image of a real-life man masturbating lower in the article. I don't think we need an image of a man masturbating in the lead to "balance out" the female one. But if we do include one, it should also be a drawing or painting and the side-by-side imagery should look uniform.
The side by side imagery by Enthusiast01 did not look uniform; it looked "off."
As for the text that Enthusiast01 added, the "For males, masturbation involves the stimulation of the penis using a hand" part was fine, but the "while for females it can involve the stimulation of the clitoris with a hand, finger, everyday object, sex toy such as a vibrator, or a combination of these" part was not. This is because, although women primarily masturbate using the clitoris, some do use their vagina to masturbate, and men also use everyday objects and/or sex toys to masturbate. And keep in mind that a sex doll is also a sex toy, and sex dolls are far more popular among men than among women. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 19:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
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well i think that because of known facta about smean and theat mastubation causes the female cviration andmovemernto furethra then that these fxfts supporting this mean that the fmale risk is there and that th emale ris is there and the line should be drawn and that this should be shown in this srticle clearly siting that reproduction processes and mastubation too on wiipedia be only for th eactual reason of reproduction that such things as extras are as is known casuation of disease risk and death in th elong term so the real truth that is virations casue eggs to descend form the felmal epassge as such and that the male ejectulate is a baby reprocution juice not for playing this will support better health of th epoppualtion and showw care understanding and belief. i think it is disregarding to ide form the truth. this wil reduce thus the ammount of sexual play and outside repricution behaviour impriving behaviour even from very existence Jameskenobi ( talk) 17:04, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Yet another case of the high & mighty admins knowing what is best for the rest of us. Wikipedia has lost its way and is a travesty of its former self. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.250.246.239 ( talk) 00:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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Please change http://advancedmasturbation.com/ to https://uvipe.com/enlargement/male-masturbation-techniques. Vass.addword ( talk) 10:12, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
A cursory glance at the article raises some points that I think we could discuss here- the point seems to be the lack of accessible material that a 13-14 can find on the subject when Sex Education at school fails to deliver.
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There is a lot to think about in the Guardian article- and a lot to discuss here. Ping me if you would like me to join in- I am not watching this article. ClemRutter ( talk) 16:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
unless doing so is shorter or clearerappears to be be the critical bit! I am talking about clarity. I followed your backlink to WP:MOS and looked closely in how they interpreted "
or to higher-level headings" by examining their TOC. 9.7, 9.8 then 10.12, 10.15 and 10.16 all go clarity. To take this one further- Mutual masturbation is OK but Female masturbation would not be. I think I will stick by my interpretation. WP:Spinout, WP:No page and WP:No split would not apply as no new articles are proposed. I am suggesting that the redirect on Female masturbation is changed to Fingering- which will then link through as it does at present. This will give a more accessible introduction for the category of reader that has been identified in the Guardian article above. ClemRutter ( talk) 15:46, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
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the particularized info might be obsolete and shall be edited. 151.242.175.140 ( talk) 20:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
So guys according to this article, Masturbation was healthy really? it makes your bone weak and loses weight probably. 49.148.252.4 ( talk) 22:27, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand the templates from [5]: WP:LEDE abstracts the body, right? So, the citations are in the body of the article, not in the lead section. Therefore the citation needed template is useless. Similarly, citations make clear who considers the claims as factual. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 13:34, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
I propose that Autopederasty be merged here. Cientific124 created the article. The thing is, though, this is a highly unusual sexual practice that the vast majority of men do not have the ability to do, and there is not much that can be added on the topic. See WP:No page. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 17:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Merged per the article's talk page discussion/what I stated above. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:11, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Nigelj, regarding this, I'm obviously in agreement that this is an encyclopedia and "not a fantasy magazine." But it is better to have autopederasty covered here than for it to have its own Wikipedia article. Right now, autopederasty redirects here, but there is no content in the article on it because of your removal. Autofellatio does have a Wikipedia article; it could be linked in the See also section here, or we could leave the Fellatio article to cover it in its Practice section (like it currently does). Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 20:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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How to far this Masturbation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4064:39D:6A80:41E9:78EC:2F11:85DF ( talk) 16:59, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I've just had a look around some research in this area, and it looks like there is a notable amount of research which together presents a negative correlation between masturbation and many positive traits (e.g. happiness, schizophrenia, erectile function, body fatness, depression etc.), as reviewed in the paper "The Relative Health Benefits of Different Sexual Activities" by Stuart Brody in The Journal of Sexual Medicine. I feel that this research should be presented in this article in the health effects section, especially as a statement to the contrary (i.e. "It is held in many mental health circles that masturbation can relieve depression and lead to a higher sense of self-esteem") is included in this section.
Thing789 ( talk) 14:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
My 'attitude', and that of Wikipedia (arrived at through consensus) is that we don't write about bullcrap except in articles on the subject of bullcrap - and when we do we say 'this is bullcrap' in big shiny letters...
— AndyTheGrump, [6]
And, yes, it fails WP:MEDRS because it is a pathetic attempt at writing a systematic review (you don't review just papers by yourself and by your pals).To be sure, this applies to other papers by Brody, not the present one. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 07:37, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Yup, Brody figures prominently upon AIDS denialism websites, specifically for his claims that for people who practice PVI only and don't do drugs and blood transfusions, it is more likely to be struck by lightning than getting infected with AIDS through sexual intercourse. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 23:57, 29 September 2019 (UTC)