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As always, it's amusing to watch the non-Americans gloom onto any production to call their own based solely on who directed it, who starred in it and/or the subject matter.
But the bottom line is to be found in the closing credits: United States is listed as FIRST country of origin. 3 AMERICAN film production studios made & release the film. But, if it helps their small sense of self to claim otherwise on Wikipedia, have at it lads....
Yes, I have corrected it. This is (only) an American production, not an American-British-Australian production — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.100.199 ( talk) 21:24, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Re the first paragraph - is a quote from a Playstation magazine about this film valid, relevant or credible? Oliver9184 ( talk) 13:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Hell no.
It appears to me that some fans of this film are attempting to get around the NPOV provision of Wikipedia and present only positive views. This article will need to be edited and watched. The below "sources" are an example; nothing critical is listed. Jusdafax ( talk) 15:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
COLLINS, Andrew: Films of the Week. Radio Times , 04 November 2006, p.41, English, illus
MCMULLEN, Myles: Screenwriting 101: Get a life!: John Collee thinks writers.. Metro (0312-2654) n.146/147 , December 2005, p.122-126, English, illus Screenwriter John Collee talks about his career background, writing process, involvement in MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD, collaboration w/ co-writers on HAPPY FEET in particular, SPARK, and scriptwriting in Australia.
COLLINS, Andrew: Films. Radio Times , 09 April 2005, p.47, English, illus
FEIN AZOULAY, Julia: Economies of scale IF n.74 , March 2005, p.32-34, English, illus Looks at the impact of budget on Australian costume and production design for period films, referring to MASTER AND COMMANDER: FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD, The ALAMO, The GREAT RAID, W.S's MERCHANT OF VENICE, MOULING ROUGE and CHARLOTTE'S WEB.
BOND, Jeff: King-Sized Television: Gordon's Lot Film Score Monthly v.9 n.5 , June 2004, p.12-15, English, illus Part of an article on the scores for two Stephen King projects. Including an interview with Christopher Gordon on his scores for both SALEM'S LOT and MASTER AND COMMANDER.
LAWRENCE, Will: Play Empire n.179 , May 2004, p.134-135, English, illus DVD review of MASTER AND COMMANDER, including a brief interview with Peter Weir who discusses making the film.
MICHÔD, David: MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD IF n.65 , May 2004, p.64, English, illus
TURNER, Robyn: A personal view Australian Cinematographer (1440-978X) n.21 , March 2004, p.30, English, illus Looks at Russell Boyd's work on MASTER AND COMMANDER.
GOODRIDGE, Mike: Awards countdown: analysis: best picture Screen International (0307-4617) n.1435 , 09 January 2004, p.22-23, English Assessment of the films most likely to win Best Picture at the Academy Awards to be held in February 2004. Each title lists distributor and awards won so far. Includes details of MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD.
GOODRIDGE, Mike [...et al]: Oscars 2003: the films volume 2 Screen International (0307-4617) n.Spec. , 05 January 2004, p.[whole issue], English, illus Part two of a two-part supplement which looks at the 40 or so films competing for an Oscar for films released in 2003. Includes an assessment of Peter Weir's MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD [p.4].
KENNEDY, Colin: The reviews Empire n.175 , January 2004, p.50-51, English, illus
FELPERIN, Leslie: Reviews Sight and Sound (0037-4806) v.14 n.1 , January 2004, p.53-54, English, illus
DUNCAN, Jody: Victory at sea Cinefex n.96 , January 2004, p.15-30, English, illus Details of special effects in Peter Weir's MASTER AND COMM- ANDER. Of 100 shooting days only 10 were at sea, more time being spent in Fox studios' Baja tank in Mexico. Includes details of CG ships, miniatures, battle scenes, sea storms.
YUEN-CARRUCAN, Jasmine: Industry focus: cinematography: Russell Boyd IF n.61 , January 2004, p.53-54,57, English, illus Russell Boyd talks about working on MASTER AND COMMANDER.
GALVIN, Peter: At the cinema IF n.61 , January 2004, p.81, English, illus
News in brief: AFI names ten best Screen International (0307-4617) n.1434 , 17 December 2003, p.3, English The AFI named its 10 best films of 2003: AMERICAN SPLENDOR, FINDING NEMO, The HUMAN STAIN, IN AMERICA, The LAST SAMURAI, The LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING, LOST IN TRAN- SLATION, MYSTIC RIVER, MASTER AND COMMANDER, and MONSTER.
GOODRIDGE, Mike: Awards countdown: Oscar players Screen International (0307-4617) n.1433 , 12 December 2003, p.30, English, illus Russell Crowe discusses his role as Captain Jack Aubrey in MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD.
NARBONNE, Christophe: Cahier critique Premiere (0399-3698) n.322 , December 2003, p.82, French, illus
JAUBERTY, Christian: Cahier critique Premiere (0399-3698) n.322 , December 2003, p.82, French, illus Interview with actor Paul Bettany who discusses his role as Dr Maturin in MASTER AND COMMANDER.
JAUBERTY, Christian: Cahier critique Premiere (0399-3698) n.322 , December 2003, p.84, French, illus Article considering MASTER AND COMMANDER as Peter Weir's most complex production to date.
LAWRENCE, Will: Unleashing hell on high water Empire n.174 , December 2003, p.80-89, English, illus A report on the production of MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD, including comments from director Peter Weir, actors Russell Crowe and Paul Bettany, and historical advisor Gordon Laco.
WONG, Cary: Score: reviews of CDs Film Score Monthly v.8 n.10 , December 2003, p.30, English, illus
KAY, Jeremy; GOODRIDGE, Mike: Awards countdown: oscar players Screen International (0307-4617) n.1430 , 21 November 2003, p.22, English, illus Director Peter Weir comments on the difficulties of filming the period epic film MASTER AND COMMANDER.
DOCKHORN, Katharina: Markt: filmkritiken Film-Echo/Filmwoche n.46 , 15 November 2003, p.32, German, illus
GOODRIDGE, Mike: Reviews Screen International (0307-4617) n.1429 , 14 November 2003, p.28, English, illus
FERNANDEZ, Jay A.: Crowe's nest Premiere (0894-9263) v.17 n.3 , 10 November 2003, p.80-84, English, illus
McCARTHY, Todd: Film Reviews Variety (0042-2738) , 10 November 2003, p.30,37, English, illus
GRAY, Simon: Hell or high water: MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF... American Cinematographer (0002-7928) v.84 n.11 , November 2003, p.50-52,54,56,58-60,62-63, English, illus On the cinematography: filters, stock, lighting, camera operation, lenses. '...THE WORLD, shot by Russell Boyd ,ACS, tells the dramatic tale of a hot pursuit on the high seas'.
November movie preview Empire n.172 , October 2003, p.80-81, English, illus [UK release 28 November 2003].
Fall movie preview Premiere (0894-9263) v.17 n.1 , September 2003, p.58, English, illus
GOODRIDGE, Mike: Focus: early Oscar buzz Screen International (0307-4617) n.1418 , 29 August 2003, p.13-18, English Early speculation about the 2004 Academy Awards ceremony. Looks at possible contenders including foreign-language films, and at the release of 4 major Hollywood epics including MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD.
BRAUND, Simon; DINNING, Mark; HEWITT, Chris [et al...]: The ten biggest films of 2003 Empire n.164 , February 2003, p.84-92, English, illus Details on the ten most likely box office hits for 2003.
Production Hollywood Reporter (0018-3660) v.375 n.32 , 15 October 2002, p.29, English
Production Hollywood Reporter (0018-3660) v.375 n.27 , 08 October 2002, p.68, English
Production Hollywood Reporter (0018-3660) v.375 n.11 , 17 September 2002, p.59, English
"The film is largely faithful in plot to the novels, although there are a few major departures from the series.[citation needed]" I don't believe a citation is needed here. It seems obvious that the sources are the movie and the novels. Boris B ( talk) 03:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
In the article it says that the movie alludes to Maturin's role in British Intelligence when he mentions that the French have spies. Could it not also be possible that, at the end of the film, when he reports that the French doctor has been dead for months, that this is also an allusion? Maybe I'm wrong. I always wondered how he would have known that. I assumed he simply read the ship's (Acheron) log; but it seems ridiculous to think that Aubrey would not have done so as well. Just a thought. Cjcaesar ( talk) 19:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
The section that says "Great efforts were made to reproduce the authentic look and feel of life aboard an early nineteenth-century man-of-war." needs qualifying. I remember a particularly scathing review that pointed out that the boards visible after the Surprise was attacked and damaged were clearly modern 4" pine planks, not the wide (12" or more) oak planks used at the time. No ship would have been built of softwood, ffs! 86.133.208.116 ( talk) 22:47, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
There were indeed privateers the size of 18-pounder frigates. In fact, during the American War of Independence some colonial privateers operated a French frigate with 36(!)-pounder guns on the main deck. The famous Chapman likewise designed a heavy privateer frigate with 32-pdr long guns. And there is nothing wrong with Jack's scheme to take the Acheron. Taking down the mast would have been a long shot, but the chance to rake an enemy at point blank range could decide almost any battle. British 18-pdr frigates took French 24-pdr frigates on many occasions, even without any dirty tricks. 50.104.108.112 ( talk) 04:51, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
The French frigate is named Acheron and labelled a privateer in this article; I do not remember the film in details, but it had left me with the impression that the French frigate was a ship of the Navy, not a privateer; do we have a citation for her status?
Furthermore, she should probably be named Achéron, with a non-optionnal acute "e", if her name was French; Acheron would be plausible only if she was a British prize taken into French service, but her design is clearly not British, and her name would probably be gallicised anyway. Rama ( talk) 06:53, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The names or the position of the names of the film's distributors is being changed sometimes daily. Is there a definitive source, and then this can stop? It was distributed 11 years ago, so this is not a changing topic, is it? -- Prairieplant ( talk) 10:20, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Peter Weir and Gordon Laco both state that the justification for the change was commercial and due to audience in interviews on a Discovery channel special. After discussing the USS Constitution being the original ship, the following segment discusses the change (the two interviews are separate and interlaced in editing):
Narrator: So why did the movie change it's nationality?
Laco: If the story was placed in the War of 1812 as O'Brien wrote it, Russell Crowe would have been fighting an American foe. The Royal Navy was pitted in a savage battle with the US Navy at that time.
Weir: The Americans would never back a film in which they were the enemy. It was just confusing emotionally for the audience: who did they feel for? Jack or their own countrymen? Given it was an American backed picture, you know, it was asking too much.
Laco: What we did instead was move it back to 1805. England's at war with France; no explanation required.
The above are transcribed from about five minutes into "Master and Commander: The True Story," a documentary by the Discovery Channel. Please feel free to use it as needed -- I just am not sure how to cite the television show according to WP standards. Gnome away, my -pedian colleagues! JabberWokky ( talk) 01:35, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Does this section belong in this article? The citations from current newspaper articles are focussed on O'Brian's novels, and do not mention the film or Crowe's protrayal at all. One article uses photos of Crowe in the movie to stand in for Aubrey, in the article by Taylor on his theory of Pellew as the inspiration for Aubrey. But Taylor says no words about the film or Crowe's portrayal. The two events cited in that section, are they in the movie? It has been a long time since I saw it, I cannot recall. If someone remembers the scenes, please add a sentence that the ruse of the illusory ship at night, and the Woolsey event, happened in the movie. Otherwise, this discussion seems like it belongs in the article on the novel series, or the article on the fictional character Aubrey. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 01:44, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Kephaz added a list of tracks of music from French Wikipedia, beginning at this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Master_and_Commander:_The_Far_Side_of_the_World&diff=773702623&oldid=773074770 and continuing until all items were translated to English. I added the note on this talk page that there is translated text in the article. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 16:43, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm always surprised that when a film gets a lot of positive reviews, mentions, awards, and nominations but does poorly at the box office, the film is never labelled as a "box office bomb."
But if the film does not receive those accolades, it is labelled a "box office bomb."
To me, the label of "box office bomb" must only be based on the box office and not influenced by the accolades.
As such, with a "profit" of only $61 million, this film should be labelled as a "box office bomb" since more than the $61 million was probably spent in advertising and etc.
Thoughts? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 10:13, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Great article/post for a great film. I would like to make a small and humble suggestion. Instead of "and lost in all other categories" I suggest considering "and placed in all other categories." Personally speaking I do not like how award nominees that do not place first are referred to. For instance, scores of films that year would have "KILLED" to "lose." Master and Commander is such a great film, as well as so many others that year. That said, I really like the great details in your post. As a journalism major, many years ago, I appreciate the hard work! Attribution can be tough sometimes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darsuliam ( talk • contribs) 16:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
References
-- Prairieplant ( talk) 06:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
At present, the article states The film's plot and characters are adapted from three novels in author Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey–Maturin series. What three novels? After having been told that, the reader should be informed of the three specific titles. Kintaro ( talk) 22:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
I don't see why one of the very few pictures in the article is of a random seaman attending some special screening for the Navy (which the article doesn't even mention nor gives a source for, by the way). Is it really so important to document that this one guy bought popcorn at the event, while looking at the camera? It's outright goofy. -- Kumagoro-42 ( talk) 21:43, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
I saw this on DVD a long time ago. It ended with the Acheron sinking after the final battle. I just watched the movie on HBO, and it ends after the capture of the Acheron, with Captain Aubrey realizing the French Captain deceived him by posing as the Ships Doctor. Aubrey gives the order to "Beat to Quarters" which we already know means the soldier go to battle stations. The last shot is an aerial shot of the HMS Surprise turning around to chase down the Acheron again. Then the credits start to roll. This is not how the movie originally ended. The actual ending is missing. I realize that my recollection can't be used in the article, but there's a piece of the story we're missing beyond the missing ending. How did it vanish? What happened? If anyone knows, please fill me in on this page. If anyone has an old DVD of the film, please check the running time. The incomplete version runs 138 minutes. The Blue Ray version has the same running time, is is probably also incomplete, so I would be interested to know if an old DVD has a longer running time. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 04:34, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
The current segment summarizing how the film adapts from the books is a hot-mess, with plenty of citation needed statements in the text. I am currently on my first read through in the series (only six books in) and am noting other key pieces of dialogue and scenes in the books that were adapted into the film; such as the argument on "men must be governed" being a scene in Post Captain and the "lesser of two weevils" scene being a scene from The Fortune of War (and I have a vague recollection the previous dialogue in the same scene of Aubrey discussing Nelson in the cold air without a coat was something out of Mauritius Command or Desolation Island). The idea of a ship being cursed with a Jonah figure onboard is also certainly from Desolation Island.
So it creates a problem, the claim that the film is an adaptation of three principal books in the series is somewhat flawed even if Far Side of the World is the most obvious plot inspiration. There is such a liberal sprinkling and use of O'Brian's phrases and text through-out the film, it almost feels more true that all 20.5 books served as inspiration and influence on the film. Listing out every source of phrases and language tied back to the books could cause the article to have undue burden and border on trivial. It also seems the claim that the film really only used three books as inspiration is blown out of the water by the depth of quotations the film is making to other books in the series so that also feels inappropriate to the article. I am out of my depth here in really knowing what the best course to present the information is.
As an aside it also raises a bigger issue on how the adaptation reduced the women characters, as the absence of characters such as Sophie Aubrey, Mrs. Williams, Diana Villiers or Louisa Wogan all seem like a significant choice on the script (although admittedly the film lacks the land-based settings where the women of the Aubrey-Maturin books come into more active play); but I also don't really know how to best address that with the article's scope without risking editorializing the matter as well. I assume that is partially due to the film starting "in media res" compared to O'Brian's regular story structure with a portion set on land leading up to the naval actions coming in later chapters of the book; but the current article doesn't really dive into it in detail and I can't think of a way to describe it without undue editorialization. (I guess I can also point out the irony of one of the criticisms of the film in the "Critical Reaction" segment includes somebody saying the film half-way through is more interested in the relationship between Jack and Stephen than the naval action at play; when O'Brian himself was so willing to put his characters so often on land and sometimes without a ship JUST to get the character interaction between the two to drive the plot, but that is more just me chuckling at the reviewer than it is a critique on the Wikipedia article itself) Xboxtravis7992 ( talk) 05:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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As always, it's amusing to watch the non-Americans gloom onto any production to call their own based solely on who directed it, who starred in it and/or the subject matter.
But the bottom line is to be found in the closing credits: United States is listed as FIRST country of origin. 3 AMERICAN film production studios made & release the film. But, if it helps their small sense of self to claim otherwise on Wikipedia, have at it lads....
Yes, I have corrected it. This is (only) an American production, not an American-British-Australian production — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.100.199 ( talk) 21:24, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Re the first paragraph - is a quote from a Playstation magazine about this film valid, relevant or credible? Oliver9184 ( talk) 13:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Hell no.
It appears to me that some fans of this film are attempting to get around the NPOV provision of Wikipedia and present only positive views. This article will need to be edited and watched. The below "sources" are an example; nothing critical is listed. Jusdafax ( talk) 15:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
COLLINS, Andrew: Films of the Week. Radio Times , 04 November 2006, p.41, English, illus
MCMULLEN, Myles: Screenwriting 101: Get a life!: John Collee thinks writers.. Metro (0312-2654) n.146/147 , December 2005, p.122-126, English, illus Screenwriter John Collee talks about his career background, writing process, involvement in MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD, collaboration w/ co-writers on HAPPY FEET in particular, SPARK, and scriptwriting in Australia.
COLLINS, Andrew: Films. Radio Times , 09 April 2005, p.47, English, illus
FEIN AZOULAY, Julia: Economies of scale IF n.74 , March 2005, p.32-34, English, illus Looks at the impact of budget on Australian costume and production design for period films, referring to MASTER AND COMMANDER: FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD, The ALAMO, The GREAT RAID, W.S's MERCHANT OF VENICE, MOULING ROUGE and CHARLOTTE'S WEB.
BOND, Jeff: King-Sized Television: Gordon's Lot Film Score Monthly v.9 n.5 , June 2004, p.12-15, English, illus Part of an article on the scores for two Stephen King projects. Including an interview with Christopher Gordon on his scores for both SALEM'S LOT and MASTER AND COMMANDER.
LAWRENCE, Will: Play Empire n.179 , May 2004, p.134-135, English, illus DVD review of MASTER AND COMMANDER, including a brief interview with Peter Weir who discusses making the film.
MICHÔD, David: MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD IF n.65 , May 2004, p.64, English, illus
TURNER, Robyn: A personal view Australian Cinematographer (1440-978X) n.21 , March 2004, p.30, English, illus Looks at Russell Boyd's work on MASTER AND COMMANDER.
GOODRIDGE, Mike: Awards countdown: analysis: best picture Screen International (0307-4617) n.1435 , 09 January 2004, p.22-23, English Assessment of the films most likely to win Best Picture at the Academy Awards to be held in February 2004. Each title lists distributor and awards won so far. Includes details of MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD.
GOODRIDGE, Mike [...et al]: Oscars 2003: the films volume 2 Screen International (0307-4617) n.Spec. , 05 January 2004, p.[whole issue], English, illus Part two of a two-part supplement which looks at the 40 or so films competing for an Oscar for films released in 2003. Includes an assessment of Peter Weir's MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD [p.4].
KENNEDY, Colin: The reviews Empire n.175 , January 2004, p.50-51, English, illus
FELPERIN, Leslie: Reviews Sight and Sound (0037-4806) v.14 n.1 , January 2004, p.53-54, English, illus
DUNCAN, Jody: Victory at sea Cinefex n.96 , January 2004, p.15-30, English, illus Details of special effects in Peter Weir's MASTER AND COMM- ANDER. Of 100 shooting days only 10 were at sea, more time being spent in Fox studios' Baja tank in Mexico. Includes details of CG ships, miniatures, battle scenes, sea storms.
YUEN-CARRUCAN, Jasmine: Industry focus: cinematography: Russell Boyd IF n.61 , January 2004, p.53-54,57, English, illus Russell Boyd talks about working on MASTER AND COMMANDER.
GALVIN, Peter: At the cinema IF n.61 , January 2004, p.81, English, illus
News in brief: AFI names ten best Screen International (0307-4617) n.1434 , 17 December 2003, p.3, English The AFI named its 10 best films of 2003: AMERICAN SPLENDOR, FINDING NEMO, The HUMAN STAIN, IN AMERICA, The LAST SAMURAI, The LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING, LOST IN TRAN- SLATION, MYSTIC RIVER, MASTER AND COMMANDER, and MONSTER.
GOODRIDGE, Mike: Awards countdown: Oscar players Screen International (0307-4617) n.1433 , 12 December 2003, p.30, English, illus Russell Crowe discusses his role as Captain Jack Aubrey in MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD.
NARBONNE, Christophe: Cahier critique Premiere (0399-3698) n.322 , December 2003, p.82, French, illus
JAUBERTY, Christian: Cahier critique Premiere (0399-3698) n.322 , December 2003, p.82, French, illus Interview with actor Paul Bettany who discusses his role as Dr Maturin in MASTER AND COMMANDER.
JAUBERTY, Christian: Cahier critique Premiere (0399-3698) n.322 , December 2003, p.84, French, illus Article considering MASTER AND COMMANDER as Peter Weir's most complex production to date.
LAWRENCE, Will: Unleashing hell on high water Empire n.174 , December 2003, p.80-89, English, illus A report on the production of MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD, including comments from director Peter Weir, actors Russell Crowe and Paul Bettany, and historical advisor Gordon Laco.
WONG, Cary: Score: reviews of CDs Film Score Monthly v.8 n.10 , December 2003, p.30, English, illus
KAY, Jeremy; GOODRIDGE, Mike: Awards countdown: oscar players Screen International (0307-4617) n.1430 , 21 November 2003, p.22, English, illus Director Peter Weir comments on the difficulties of filming the period epic film MASTER AND COMMANDER.
DOCKHORN, Katharina: Markt: filmkritiken Film-Echo/Filmwoche n.46 , 15 November 2003, p.32, German, illus
GOODRIDGE, Mike: Reviews Screen International (0307-4617) n.1429 , 14 November 2003, p.28, English, illus
FERNANDEZ, Jay A.: Crowe's nest Premiere (0894-9263) v.17 n.3 , 10 November 2003, p.80-84, English, illus
McCARTHY, Todd: Film Reviews Variety (0042-2738) , 10 November 2003, p.30,37, English, illus
GRAY, Simon: Hell or high water: MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF... American Cinematographer (0002-7928) v.84 n.11 , November 2003, p.50-52,54,56,58-60,62-63, English, illus On the cinematography: filters, stock, lighting, camera operation, lenses. '...THE WORLD, shot by Russell Boyd ,ACS, tells the dramatic tale of a hot pursuit on the high seas'.
November movie preview Empire n.172 , October 2003, p.80-81, English, illus [UK release 28 November 2003].
Fall movie preview Premiere (0894-9263) v.17 n.1 , September 2003, p.58, English, illus
GOODRIDGE, Mike: Focus: early Oscar buzz Screen International (0307-4617) n.1418 , 29 August 2003, p.13-18, English Early speculation about the 2004 Academy Awards ceremony. Looks at possible contenders including foreign-language films, and at the release of 4 major Hollywood epics including MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD.
BRAUND, Simon; DINNING, Mark; HEWITT, Chris [et al...]: The ten biggest films of 2003 Empire n.164 , February 2003, p.84-92, English, illus Details on the ten most likely box office hits for 2003.
Production Hollywood Reporter (0018-3660) v.375 n.32 , 15 October 2002, p.29, English
Production Hollywood Reporter (0018-3660) v.375 n.27 , 08 October 2002, p.68, English
Production Hollywood Reporter (0018-3660) v.375 n.11 , 17 September 2002, p.59, English
"The film is largely faithful in plot to the novels, although there are a few major departures from the series.[citation needed]" I don't believe a citation is needed here. It seems obvious that the sources are the movie and the novels. Boris B ( talk) 03:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
In the article it says that the movie alludes to Maturin's role in British Intelligence when he mentions that the French have spies. Could it not also be possible that, at the end of the film, when he reports that the French doctor has been dead for months, that this is also an allusion? Maybe I'm wrong. I always wondered how he would have known that. I assumed he simply read the ship's (Acheron) log; but it seems ridiculous to think that Aubrey would not have done so as well. Just a thought. Cjcaesar ( talk) 19:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
The section that says "Great efforts were made to reproduce the authentic look and feel of life aboard an early nineteenth-century man-of-war." needs qualifying. I remember a particularly scathing review that pointed out that the boards visible after the Surprise was attacked and damaged were clearly modern 4" pine planks, not the wide (12" or more) oak planks used at the time. No ship would have been built of softwood, ffs! 86.133.208.116 ( talk) 22:47, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
There were indeed privateers the size of 18-pounder frigates. In fact, during the American War of Independence some colonial privateers operated a French frigate with 36(!)-pounder guns on the main deck. The famous Chapman likewise designed a heavy privateer frigate with 32-pdr long guns. And there is nothing wrong with Jack's scheme to take the Acheron. Taking down the mast would have been a long shot, but the chance to rake an enemy at point blank range could decide almost any battle. British 18-pdr frigates took French 24-pdr frigates on many occasions, even without any dirty tricks. 50.104.108.112 ( talk) 04:51, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
The French frigate is named Acheron and labelled a privateer in this article; I do not remember the film in details, but it had left me with the impression that the French frigate was a ship of the Navy, not a privateer; do we have a citation for her status?
Furthermore, she should probably be named Achéron, with a non-optionnal acute "e", if her name was French; Acheron would be plausible only if she was a British prize taken into French service, but her design is clearly not British, and her name would probably be gallicised anyway. Rama ( talk) 06:53, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The names or the position of the names of the film's distributors is being changed sometimes daily. Is there a definitive source, and then this can stop? It was distributed 11 years ago, so this is not a changing topic, is it? -- Prairieplant ( talk) 10:20, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Peter Weir and Gordon Laco both state that the justification for the change was commercial and due to audience in interviews on a Discovery channel special. After discussing the USS Constitution being the original ship, the following segment discusses the change (the two interviews are separate and interlaced in editing):
Narrator: So why did the movie change it's nationality?
Laco: If the story was placed in the War of 1812 as O'Brien wrote it, Russell Crowe would have been fighting an American foe. The Royal Navy was pitted in a savage battle with the US Navy at that time.
Weir: The Americans would never back a film in which they were the enemy. It was just confusing emotionally for the audience: who did they feel for? Jack or their own countrymen? Given it was an American backed picture, you know, it was asking too much.
Laco: What we did instead was move it back to 1805. England's at war with France; no explanation required.
The above are transcribed from about five minutes into "Master and Commander: The True Story," a documentary by the Discovery Channel. Please feel free to use it as needed -- I just am not sure how to cite the television show according to WP standards. Gnome away, my -pedian colleagues! JabberWokky ( talk) 01:35, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Does this section belong in this article? The citations from current newspaper articles are focussed on O'Brian's novels, and do not mention the film or Crowe's protrayal at all. One article uses photos of Crowe in the movie to stand in for Aubrey, in the article by Taylor on his theory of Pellew as the inspiration for Aubrey. But Taylor says no words about the film or Crowe's portrayal. The two events cited in that section, are they in the movie? It has been a long time since I saw it, I cannot recall. If someone remembers the scenes, please add a sentence that the ruse of the illusory ship at night, and the Woolsey event, happened in the movie. Otherwise, this discussion seems like it belongs in the article on the novel series, or the article on the fictional character Aubrey. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 01:44, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Kephaz added a list of tracks of music from French Wikipedia, beginning at this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Master_and_Commander:_The_Far_Side_of_the_World&diff=773702623&oldid=773074770 and continuing until all items were translated to English. I added the note on this talk page that there is translated text in the article. -- Prairieplant ( talk) 16:43, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm always surprised that when a film gets a lot of positive reviews, mentions, awards, and nominations but does poorly at the box office, the film is never labelled as a "box office bomb."
But if the film does not receive those accolades, it is labelled a "box office bomb."
To me, the label of "box office bomb" must only be based on the box office and not influenced by the accolades.
As such, with a "profit" of only $61 million, this film should be labelled as a "box office bomb" since more than the $61 million was probably spent in advertising and etc.
Thoughts? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 10:13, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Great article/post for a great film. I would like to make a small and humble suggestion. Instead of "and lost in all other categories" I suggest considering "and placed in all other categories." Personally speaking I do not like how award nominees that do not place first are referred to. For instance, scores of films that year would have "KILLED" to "lose." Master and Commander is such a great film, as well as so many others that year. That said, I really like the great details in your post. As a journalism major, many years ago, I appreciate the hard work! Attribution can be tough sometimes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darsuliam ( talk • contribs) 16:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
References
-- Prairieplant ( talk) 06:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
At present, the article states The film's plot and characters are adapted from three novels in author Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey–Maturin series. What three novels? After having been told that, the reader should be informed of the three specific titles. Kintaro ( talk) 22:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
I don't see why one of the very few pictures in the article is of a random seaman attending some special screening for the Navy (which the article doesn't even mention nor gives a source for, by the way). Is it really so important to document that this one guy bought popcorn at the event, while looking at the camera? It's outright goofy. -- Kumagoro-42 ( talk) 21:43, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
I saw this on DVD a long time ago. It ended with the Acheron sinking after the final battle. I just watched the movie on HBO, and it ends after the capture of the Acheron, with Captain Aubrey realizing the French Captain deceived him by posing as the Ships Doctor. Aubrey gives the order to "Beat to Quarters" which we already know means the soldier go to battle stations. The last shot is an aerial shot of the HMS Surprise turning around to chase down the Acheron again. Then the credits start to roll. This is not how the movie originally ended. The actual ending is missing. I realize that my recollection can't be used in the article, but there's a piece of the story we're missing beyond the missing ending. How did it vanish? What happened? If anyone knows, please fill me in on this page. If anyone has an old DVD of the film, please check the running time. The incomplete version runs 138 minutes. The Blue Ray version has the same running time, is is probably also incomplete, so I would be interested to know if an old DVD has a longer running time. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 04:34, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
The current segment summarizing how the film adapts from the books is a hot-mess, with plenty of citation needed statements in the text. I am currently on my first read through in the series (only six books in) and am noting other key pieces of dialogue and scenes in the books that were adapted into the film; such as the argument on "men must be governed" being a scene in Post Captain and the "lesser of two weevils" scene being a scene from The Fortune of War (and I have a vague recollection the previous dialogue in the same scene of Aubrey discussing Nelson in the cold air without a coat was something out of Mauritius Command or Desolation Island). The idea of a ship being cursed with a Jonah figure onboard is also certainly from Desolation Island.
So it creates a problem, the claim that the film is an adaptation of three principal books in the series is somewhat flawed even if Far Side of the World is the most obvious plot inspiration. There is such a liberal sprinkling and use of O'Brian's phrases and text through-out the film, it almost feels more true that all 20.5 books served as inspiration and influence on the film. Listing out every source of phrases and language tied back to the books could cause the article to have undue burden and border on trivial. It also seems the claim that the film really only used three books as inspiration is blown out of the water by the depth of quotations the film is making to other books in the series so that also feels inappropriate to the article. I am out of my depth here in really knowing what the best course to present the information is.
As an aside it also raises a bigger issue on how the adaptation reduced the women characters, as the absence of characters such as Sophie Aubrey, Mrs. Williams, Diana Villiers or Louisa Wogan all seem like a significant choice on the script (although admittedly the film lacks the land-based settings where the women of the Aubrey-Maturin books come into more active play); but I also don't really know how to best address that with the article's scope without risking editorializing the matter as well. I assume that is partially due to the film starting "in media res" compared to O'Brian's regular story structure with a portion set on land leading up to the naval actions coming in later chapters of the book; but the current article doesn't really dive into it in detail and I can't think of a way to describe it without undue editorialization. (I guess I can also point out the irony of one of the criticisms of the film in the "Critical Reaction" segment includes somebody saying the film half-way through is more interested in the relationship between Jack and Stephen than the naval action at play; when O'Brian himself was so willing to put his characters so often on land and sometimes without a ship JUST to get the character interaction between the two to drive the plot, but that is more just me chuckling at the reviewer than it is a critique on the Wikipedia article itself) Xboxtravis7992 ( talk) 05:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)