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The article says, "...the city will rely entirely on solar energy, with a sustainable, zero-carbon, zero-waste ecology..."
I know the article cites its sources. But I'm skeptical that those sources are accurate.
I suspect that once the city is fully operational and fully inhabited, it will use some additional source(s) of energy, and it will produce more waste than zero. Grundle2600 ( talk) 23:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The article states that the Masdar City Project is presided by Sheikh Mohammad bin Zayed Al Nahyan, but after a brief web search I could not find any mention of His Highness in connection with leadership of the project. According to the Masdar web page, the CEO is Dr. Sultan Al Jaber, but no further people are mentioned in this context. -- AlastairIrvine ( talk) 13:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
In the infobox, it says that Masdar is a "walled city." I do not believe this is correct. It is not even a city. It is just a future area of the city of Abu Dhabi. Can someone explain to me why they believe Masdar can be considered a "walled city?" Leitmanp ( talk | contributions) 22:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
The bethesda link goes to a disambiguation page, but I can't figure out which entry is the correct one to link to. Could someone who is better informed than me fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.199.128.156 ( talk) 10:29, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
This entire section appears to be a direct copy and paste. Someone with more time than me might want to reword it, or at least put it in quotation marks. 155.245.111.231 ( talk) 13:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia Community,
We know and appreciate the importance of your independence. We also know that editing the Wikipedia site ourselves undermines that independence and the integrity of your site.
But, there are a few points we want to flag because we believe they will improve the accuracy of the Masdar City page.
To begin:
• The first sentence, “Masdar…is a planned city in Abu Dhabi, in the United Arab Emirates. It is an initiative by the Government of Abu Dhabi through Mubadala Development Company,” can cause confusion. Masdar City is in fact being built by Masdar, also known as the Abu Dhabi Future Energy Company (ADFEC)
[1], and is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mubadala Development Company. (Note: The City is called Masdar City, not to be confused with Masdar the company)
• The table on the right: Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the ruler of the UAE, should be separated from the Company’s CEO and Chairman. The CEO and Chairman of Masdar are not government officials.
• Sources at the bottom: Source numbers one, six, seven, 11 and 12 all don’t work because Masdar’s main website has changed from www.masdaruae.ae to www.masdar.ae
[2]. In addition, a new Masdar City specific website has been recently created and can be visited at www.masdarcity.com
[3]
• Partners of the Clean Tech Fund: The correct Clean Tech partners are Credit Suisse, Consensus Business Group and Siemens
[2]. Those mentioned have no role in the Masdar Cleantech Fund.
• The last sentence: Mubadala is behind building the biggest Aluminum Smelter. This is correct, however although Mubadala is our parent company they are not the development agency behind Masdar City. Masdar or again the Abu Dhabi Future Energy Company is the developer. Mubadala is not building any of Masdar’s projects.
Let us know what you think – and we hope you’ll take this into consideration. A corporate Masdar page would clear up some of the confusion found throughout the piece, should anyone be interested in creating one, we would be grateful for your time and happy to provide sources of reference for both Masdar City and Masdar.
Thank you,
The Masdar Communications Team--
Masdar (
talk) 20:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Rather than having more contractors added to the external links section, I've removed them all. They're here in case anyone cares to look at them in the future, and any other relevant contractor links can be placed here as well (so long as they directly relate to Masdar):
— Huntster ( t • @ • c) 03:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
If the contractor site is informative, shouldn't the link stay? RWDI's is the most informative, then Fosters + Partners. The Masdar Headquarters should be removed as it would be better on the Masdar Headquarters Wikipedia page. What shouldn't stay would be something like the brick laying contractor and other routine services. Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links did encourage me to add this comment. 209.183.143.99 ( talk) 17:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
The project is called Masdar. In every other Wikipedia's language the title is not Masdar City. The title is Masdar.
-- Urs.Waefler ( talk) 07:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus to move. Skomorokh, barbarian 18:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Masdar City →
Masdar — The official name is Masdar only, Masdar is a project, which contains more than a city. For instance there is Masdar Government, there is Masdar Institute of Science and Technology, and there is Masdar City also. --
Urs.Waefler (
talk) 10:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Abu Dhabi Future Energy Company is a part of Masdar. Have a look for instance at the German Wikipedia. There is a proper article. Masdar is the title.
-- Urs.Waefler ( talk) 06:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
There are many salutary words like "entirely solar energy and other renewable energy sources", "sustainable, zero-carbon, zero-waste", blah, blah.
But what is the true eco balance. Any numbers? How much fossile fuel has been used to construct the buildings, make the steel, the concrete, the solar panels, and so on. Where did the energy come from to drive the machines building the houses and the shiny shopping malls? Where did the energy come from the build the desalination plants?
Where will the energy come from needed to build replacement parts? Is there a hospital inside, or will the hospital be outside so that it is driven by fossile energy. What about food and waste, will it be provided / disposed of on-site? I guess not, so where does the energy come from to do that?
Sorry, this article raises more questions than answers. As long as I do not the the complete eco balance my guess is that Masdar city is nothing than a big quackery, supported by the solar and "green" lobbysists to make big money and attract tourists. You could as well take any city in the world, load batteries from fossile fuel plants, and to provide the energy supply for that city from the batteries for some years, and say "Look, we do not need any fossile fuels". -- Combustor ( talk) 20:33, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Masdar City, Castle in the Sand; A green utopia in the desert or just the United Arab Emirates’ latest exercise in urban excess? December 08, 2011, 5:00 PM EST by Peter Savodnik BusinessWeek 99.19.45.160 ( talk) 23:59, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Increased spending on low-carbon developments like Masdar City have been seen as a defensive response to the Arab Spring uprisings. [3]
99.181.148.206 ( talk) 03:20, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
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The article says, "...the city will rely entirely on solar energy, with a sustainable, zero-carbon, zero-waste ecology..."
I know the article cites its sources. But I'm skeptical that those sources are accurate.
I suspect that once the city is fully operational and fully inhabited, it will use some additional source(s) of energy, and it will produce more waste than zero. Grundle2600 ( talk) 23:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The article states that the Masdar City Project is presided by Sheikh Mohammad bin Zayed Al Nahyan, but after a brief web search I could not find any mention of His Highness in connection with leadership of the project. According to the Masdar web page, the CEO is Dr. Sultan Al Jaber, but no further people are mentioned in this context. -- AlastairIrvine ( talk) 13:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
In the infobox, it says that Masdar is a "walled city." I do not believe this is correct. It is not even a city. It is just a future area of the city of Abu Dhabi. Can someone explain to me why they believe Masdar can be considered a "walled city?" Leitmanp ( talk | contributions) 22:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
The bethesda link goes to a disambiguation page, but I can't figure out which entry is the correct one to link to. Could someone who is better informed than me fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.199.128.156 ( talk) 10:29, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
This entire section appears to be a direct copy and paste. Someone with more time than me might want to reword it, or at least put it in quotation marks. 155.245.111.231 ( talk) 13:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia Community,
We know and appreciate the importance of your independence. We also know that editing the Wikipedia site ourselves undermines that independence and the integrity of your site.
But, there are a few points we want to flag because we believe they will improve the accuracy of the Masdar City page.
To begin:
• The first sentence, “Masdar…is a planned city in Abu Dhabi, in the United Arab Emirates. It is an initiative by the Government of Abu Dhabi through Mubadala Development Company,” can cause confusion. Masdar City is in fact being built by Masdar, also known as the Abu Dhabi Future Energy Company (ADFEC)
[1], and is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mubadala Development Company. (Note: The City is called Masdar City, not to be confused with Masdar the company)
• The table on the right: Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the ruler of the UAE, should be separated from the Company’s CEO and Chairman. The CEO and Chairman of Masdar are not government officials.
• Sources at the bottom: Source numbers one, six, seven, 11 and 12 all don’t work because Masdar’s main website has changed from www.masdaruae.ae to www.masdar.ae
[2]. In addition, a new Masdar City specific website has been recently created and can be visited at www.masdarcity.com
[3]
• Partners of the Clean Tech Fund: The correct Clean Tech partners are Credit Suisse, Consensus Business Group and Siemens
[2]. Those mentioned have no role in the Masdar Cleantech Fund.
• The last sentence: Mubadala is behind building the biggest Aluminum Smelter. This is correct, however although Mubadala is our parent company they are not the development agency behind Masdar City. Masdar or again the Abu Dhabi Future Energy Company is the developer. Mubadala is not building any of Masdar’s projects.
Let us know what you think – and we hope you’ll take this into consideration. A corporate Masdar page would clear up some of the confusion found throughout the piece, should anyone be interested in creating one, we would be grateful for your time and happy to provide sources of reference for both Masdar City and Masdar.
Thank you,
The Masdar Communications Team--
Masdar (
talk) 20:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Rather than having more contractors added to the external links section, I've removed them all. They're here in case anyone cares to look at them in the future, and any other relevant contractor links can be placed here as well (so long as they directly relate to Masdar):
— Huntster ( t • @ • c) 03:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
If the contractor site is informative, shouldn't the link stay? RWDI's is the most informative, then Fosters + Partners. The Masdar Headquarters should be removed as it would be better on the Masdar Headquarters Wikipedia page. What shouldn't stay would be something like the brick laying contractor and other routine services. Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links did encourage me to add this comment. 209.183.143.99 ( talk) 17:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
The project is called Masdar. In every other Wikipedia's language the title is not Masdar City. The title is Masdar.
-- Urs.Waefler ( talk) 07:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus to move. Skomorokh, barbarian 18:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Masdar City →
Masdar — The official name is Masdar only, Masdar is a project, which contains more than a city. For instance there is Masdar Government, there is Masdar Institute of Science and Technology, and there is Masdar City also. --
Urs.Waefler (
talk) 10:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Abu Dhabi Future Energy Company is a part of Masdar. Have a look for instance at the German Wikipedia. There is a proper article. Masdar is the title.
-- Urs.Waefler ( talk) 06:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
There are many salutary words like "entirely solar energy and other renewable energy sources", "sustainable, zero-carbon, zero-waste", blah, blah.
But what is the true eco balance. Any numbers? How much fossile fuel has been used to construct the buildings, make the steel, the concrete, the solar panels, and so on. Where did the energy come from to drive the machines building the houses and the shiny shopping malls? Where did the energy come from the build the desalination plants?
Where will the energy come from needed to build replacement parts? Is there a hospital inside, or will the hospital be outside so that it is driven by fossile energy. What about food and waste, will it be provided / disposed of on-site? I guess not, so where does the energy come from to do that?
Sorry, this article raises more questions than answers. As long as I do not the the complete eco balance my guess is that Masdar city is nothing than a big quackery, supported by the solar and "green" lobbysists to make big money and attract tourists. You could as well take any city in the world, load batteries from fossile fuel plants, and to provide the energy supply for that city from the batteries for some years, and say "Look, we do not need any fossile fuels". -- Combustor ( talk) 20:33, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Masdar City, Castle in the Sand; A green utopia in the desert or just the United Arab Emirates’ latest exercise in urban excess? December 08, 2011, 5:00 PM EST by Peter Savodnik BusinessWeek 99.19.45.160 ( talk) 23:59, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Increased spending on low-carbon developments like Masdar City have been seen as a defensive response to the Arab Spring uprisings. [3]
99.181.148.206 ( talk) 03:20, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
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