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The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 03:00, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Mary of Austria (1505–1558) → Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary — Please, who could argue that she is better known as someone born in 1505 than as a woman who was Queen of Hungary?
On 3 May 2010, I moved the article to Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary because the years of birth and death are of no use for a person who knows nothing about her. If a reader wants to find the article about a Mary of Austria who served as Queen of Hungary, will the title Mary of Austria (1505–1558) help him/her more than Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary would? If a reader searches for the article or browses Category:Archduchesses of Austria, the proposed title will be much more helpful as a way of disambiguation. The community has agreed in several similar cases that we should use the maiden name and the marital title instead of the years of birth and death (see, for example, Talk:Margaret of Burgundy, Duchess of Bavaria).
The proposed title is not against any guideline. WP:NCNT says that we should use maiden names for past consorts. The proposed title uses the maiden name but also uses the marital title because disambiguation is neccessary. No guideline forbids that. Years of birth and death should be used only when nothing else can be used. Surtsicna ( talk) 20:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Support There is no longer an automatic presumption in favour of using consorts' maiden names. We already had a similar move discussion with a "Margaret", this may be the least awkward way of disambiguating queens with very common names like "Mary". PatGallacher ( talk) 22:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Comment I agree but wouldn't Maria of Austria, Queen of Hungary be better. Mary is an English version/translation of the Latin Maria. The name Mary is not used after the Middle Ages to refer to women outside of Britain.-- Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy ( talk) 03:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello! I'll be reviewing this article for possible GA status. My review should be posted shortly. Cheers, Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Could you please be more specific about these two advices? Is the article biased in favour of Mary? Or is there too much emphasis on her ugliness and cynicism? Could you please cite one essay-like sentence (so that I know what to fix)?
No issues noted
The result of the move request was: page moved to Mary of Hungary (governor of the Netherlands). Of the alternatives suggested, this one seems to be one that satisfies the most concerns raised in the discussion. I would also add that there is truly no need to tell the closing admin to ignore any particular argument. We're good at this, thanks. - GTBacchus( talk) 17:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary →
Mary of Hungary (governor) — "Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary" is highly ambigious.
Her niece and namesake was just as much Queen of Hungary and Bohemia as she was.
The most common name, without any doubt, is Mary of Hungary. That is the name of all the biographies used here as references and the name used by most of the other presented sources. The books not used as sources but mentioned in the Further reading section also call her Mary of Hungary. Almost every book about her and every book that mentions her calls her Mary of Hungary. britannica is among them. It is by far the most common name even according to Google Books search results: "Mary of Hungary" Netherlands gets 5.670, while "Mary of Austria" Netherlands gets miserable 330.
Since "Mary of Hungary" on its own is quite ambigious (due to the existence of a queen regnant of Hungary named Mary), it makes sense to add a disambiguator that describes her best. She is best known for being one of the most able governors of the Netherlands ever. WP:Common name is the most basic rule about naming articles and it is clearly in favour of the proposed title.
(I would have nothing against Mary of Hungary (governor of the Netherlands), though this one might be more suitable because it is shorter.) Surtsicna ( talk) 18:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
This Mary of Hungary is considerably more notable than the earlier one. She can be Mary of Hungary without disambiguation. If she needs disambiguation, it should be something that appears in the sources, for example Mary of Hungary, regent of the Netherlands. Kauffner ( talk) 15:02, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I have removed this image from the article. The museum it's housed in has identified the sitter as Anne of Hungary and Bohemia, Mary's sister-in-law, and comparison of this portraits to other portraits of the two women seems corroborative. I've also nominated the image for deletion on Commons, as the image already exists under correct identification there. -- NellieBly ( talk) 06:35, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Mary (1505–1558), Queen of Hungary.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on September 15, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-09-15. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 01:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
I think that this article could be renamed to Mary of Austria(governer of the Netherlands) or Mary of Habsburg. Because almost always when there is a name of the country instead of someone's surname, this indicates that this person what native to that country, for example Anne of Denmark, Henrietta Maria of France and so on, while this woman was merely married to a Hungarian king for a short period of time after which she had almost no connection to that nation. Super20020917 ( talk) 11:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Was native* Super20020917 ( talk) 11:47, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 03:00, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Mary of Austria (1505–1558) → Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary — Please, who could argue that she is better known as someone born in 1505 than as a woman who was Queen of Hungary?
On 3 May 2010, I moved the article to Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary because the years of birth and death are of no use for a person who knows nothing about her. If a reader wants to find the article about a Mary of Austria who served as Queen of Hungary, will the title Mary of Austria (1505–1558) help him/her more than Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary would? If a reader searches for the article or browses Category:Archduchesses of Austria, the proposed title will be much more helpful as a way of disambiguation. The community has agreed in several similar cases that we should use the maiden name and the marital title instead of the years of birth and death (see, for example, Talk:Margaret of Burgundy, Duchess of Bavaria).
The proposed title is not against any guideline. WP:NCNT says that we should use maiden names for past consorts. The proposed title uses the maiden name but also uses the marital title because disambiguation is neccessary. No guideline forbids that. Years of birth and death should be used only when nothing else can be used. Surtsicna ( talk) 20:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Support There is no longer an automatic presumption in favour of using consorts' maiden names. We already had a similar move discussion with a "Margaret", this may be the least awkward way of disambiguating queens with very common names like "Mary". PatGallacher ( talk) 22:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Comment I agree but wouldn't Maria of Austria, Queen of Hungary be better. Mary is an English version/translation of the Latin Maria. The name Mary is not used after the Middle Ages to refer to women outside of Britain.-- Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy ( talk) 03:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello! I'll be reviewing this article for possible GA status. My review should be posted shortly. Cheers, Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Could you please be more specific about these two advices? Is the article biased in favour of Mary? Or is there too much emphasis on her ugliness and cynicism? Could you please cite one essay-like sentence (so that I know what to fix)?
No issues noted
The result of the move request was: page moved to Mary of Hungary (governor of the Netherlands). Of the alternatives suggested, this one seems to be one that satisfies the most concerns raised in the discussion. I would also add that there is truly no need to tell the closing admin to ignore any particular argument. We're good at this, thanks. - GTBacchus( talk) 17:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary →
Mary of Hungary (governor) — "Mary of Austria, Queen of Hungary" is highly ambigious.
Her niece and namesake was just as much Queen of Hungary and Bohemia as she was.
The most common name, without any doubt, is Mary of Hungary. That is the name of all the biographies used here as references and the name used by most of the other presented sources. The books not used as sources but mentioned in the Further reading section also call her Mary of Hungary. Almost every book about her and every book that mentions her calls her Mary of Hungary. britannica is among them. It is by far the most common name even according to Google Books search results: "Mary of Hungary" Netherlands gets 5.670, while "Mary of Austria" Netherlands gets miserable 330.
Since "Mary of Hungary" on its own is quite ambigious (due to the existence of a queen regnant of Hungary named Mary), it makes sense to add a disambiguator that describes her best. She is best known for being one of the most able governors of the Netherlands ever. WP:Common name is the most basic rule about naming articles and it is clearly in favour of the proposed title.
(I would have nothing against Mary of Hungary (governor of the Netherlands), though this one might be more suitable because it is shorter.) Surtsicna ( talk) 18:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
This Mary of Hungary is considerably more notable than the earlier one. She can be Mary of Hungary without disambiguation. If she needs disambiguation, it should be something that appears in the sources, for example Mary of Hungary, regent of the Netherlands. Kauffner ( talk) 15:02, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I have removed this image from the article. The museum it's housed in has identified the sitter as Anne of Hungary and Bohemia, Mary's sister-in-law, and comparison of this portraits to other portraits of the two women seems corroborative. I've also nominated the image for deletion on Commons, as the image already exists under correct identification there. -- NellieBly ( talk) 06:35, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Mary (1505–1558), Queen of Hungary.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on September 15, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-09-15. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 01:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
I think that this article could be renamed to Mary of Austria(governer of the Netherlands) or Mary of Habsburg. Because almost always when there is a name of the country instead of someone's surname, this indicates that this person what native to that country, for example Anne of Denmark, Henrietta Maria of France and so on, while this woman was merely married to a Hungarian king for a short period of time after which she had almost no connection to that nation. Super20020917 ( talk) 11:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Was native* Super20020917 ( talk) 11:47, 24 September 2022 (UTC)