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Removed this bit: "Sigismund and Mary had a daughter named Elisabeth. Elisabeth , wife of Casimir IV named the "mother of the Jagiellos", descended from their daughter Elisabeth."
I believe the first mentioned Elisabeth was daughter of Sigismund and his second wife Barbara of Cilli, not a daughter of Sigismund and his first wife Mary. -- Someone else 21:51 Apr 2, 2003 (UTC)
one more thing: isn't Slovak language called "Slovakian" in English? Alensha 00:08, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move. There is a rough consensus to move, and had the unilateral move that is being reversed here been discussed in the first place, it would have had no chance. Andrewa ( talk) 16:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Maria II of Hungary → Mary of Hungary — There is no Mary II of Hungary. This woman is the only Mary to have ever been Queen regnant of Hungary or to have claimed to be such. — Michael Sanders 23:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.This is the only Queen regnant of Hungary named Mary. The supposed 'Mary/Maria I' of Hungary is Maria of Hungary (1257-1323), also known as 'Maria Arpad', who was never Queen of Hungary. This article details a person who is never, either by right or choice, called Mary/Maria II. It should be moved. (Incidentally, there is risk of confusion with another woman also well-known as "Mary of Hungary". However, that woman is also known as "Mary of Austria", and there is an acceptable disambiguation notice to that effect at the top of this page. This woman is never known as anything else.) Michael Sanders 00:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
What happen to her birthdate?-- Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy ( talk) 07:14, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Overall, this article is pretty well written. I just have a few comments:
1) In the lead, it says:
I saw "Luxemburg" in association with Sigismund's name several times throughout the article, so I changed the few that were spelled "Luxembourg" to "Luxemburg" for consistency, except not the instances of "Luxembourg" in the lead. I saw that the link at Sigismund of Luxembourg in this sentence leads to an article entitled Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor. In the first line of that article, it says, "Sigismund of Luxemburg". If a search is done for "Luxemburg", it leads to the article Luxembourg. I'm just wondering whether "Luxemburg" in the article on Sigismund should be changed to "Luxembourg", or is it because it was more German than French at that time? I'm also wondering whether all the instances of "Luxemburg" should be changed to match the "Sigismund of Luxembourg" in the lead, or vice versa, or just leave it as it is.
2) In the second paragraph in "Reign", I added "historian" before the name "Jan Długosz" in this sentence:
It has just sounded a little odd to say "according to the 15th-century Jan Długosz". I looked at his article and saw that he was listed as having four roles, or careers. Instead of listing all of them, I chose the one that seemed the most pertinent for this sentence. Hope that was all right.
3) Toward the end of the third paragraph in the section Mary, Queen of Hungary#Restoration and capture (1386–1387) is the following sentence:
It's not clear to me why Sigismund would want to capture Gomnec Castle. It sounds like his wife Mary and her mother were no longer imprisoned there. I don't see why this is even mentioned. If it is important, perhaps some hint of the reason could be given.
Well, that's all. Corinne ( talk) 01:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
I had to force myself to bring this up, but the subject of this article is not the primary topic for " Mary, Queen of Hungary". It is most evident when one searches for Queen Mary of Hungary. [2] Virtually all hits refer to Mary of Hungary (governor of the Netherlands). I think this is something that should be considered. Surtsicna ( talk) 12:58, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
The names of 29 people in the ancestry chart include the territorial designation. That's how it's always been. Why should one of them be an exception? Surtsicna ( talk) 18:16, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
I responded to your argument, citing the WP:Primary topic guideline. I made an argument in favor of the original wording and you did not respond to that at all. I don't think you have the right to claim that "no serious argument for other name" has been made. Surtsicna ( talk) 19:10, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Do you intend to respond to any of my arguments? Surtsicna ( talk) 21:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Władysław I of Poland could be Władysław I Herman, who was not father of Elizabeth, Queen of Hungary, eg. John Freed, Frederick Barbarossa: The Prince and the Myth, Yale University Press, 2016. I understand that Surtsicna and Borsoka invanted their own system of genealogical tables, but it their POV. I removed unclear information from article. Swetoniusz ( talk) 20:39, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Why do you think that the form "Władysław I the Elbow-high" is better in the context than the stable form "Władysław I of Poland" which is fully in line with the forms otherwise used in the ahnetapfel "First name (Number) of Country". Please remember that, for instance, Britannica calls him simply Władysław I (king of Poland) ( [4]), so we cannot say that the stable form cannot be verified. Borsoka ( talk) 17:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
This not an argument that Surtsicna prefer version that mislead readers. Please, use real arguments and stop edit wars. Swetoniusz ( talk) 13:02, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
The problem with Category:Queens of Hungary is that it should include both consorts and female monarchs. The consorts were just as much queens as the monarchs were. One might even argue that the consorts belong to that category more than the female monarchs do because the latter were officially titled kings. Either way, Mary and Maria Theresa ought to be grouped with the other Hungarian monarchs. Surtsicna ( talk) 15:36, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Article even states that she was crowned King. She was not a queen. 98.109.137.129 ( talk) 10:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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Did you know?" column on
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Mary, Queen of Hungary (pictured) regained the throne after her mother,
Elizabeth of Bosnia, invited
Charles III of Naples to his death in 1386? | ||||||||||
Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the " On this day..." column on May 17, 2017, May 17, 2020, May 17, 2023, and September 17, 2023. |
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Removed this bit: "Sigismund and Mary had a daughter named Elisabeth. Elisabeth , wife of Casimir IV named the "mother of the Jagiellos", descended from their daughter Elisabeth."
I believe the first mentioned Elisabeth was daughter of Sigismund and his second wife Barbara of Cilli, not a daughter of Sigismund and his first wife Mary. -- Someone else 21:51 Apr 2, 2003 (UTC)
one more thing: isn't Slovak language called "Slovakian" in English? Alensha 00:08, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move. There is a rough consensus to move, and had the unilateral move that is being reversed here been discussed in the first place, it would have had no chance. Andrewa ( talk) 16:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Maria II of Hungary → Mary of Hungary — There is no Mary II of Hungary. This woman is the only Mary to have ever been Queen regnant of Hungary or to have claimed to be such. — Michael Sanders 23:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.This is the only Queen regnant of Hungary named Mary. The supposed 'Mary/Maria I' of Hungary is Maria of Hungary (1257-1323), also known as 'Maria Arpad', who was never Queen of Hungary. This article details a person who is never, either by right or choice, called Mary/Maria II. It should be moved. (Incidentally, there is risk of confusion with another woman also well-known as "Mary of Hungary". However, that woman is also known as "Mary of Austria", and there is an acceptable disambiguation notice to that effect at the top of this page. This woman is never known as anything else.) Michael Sanders 00:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
What happen to her birthdate?-- Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy ( talk) 07:14, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Overall, this article is pretty well written. I just have a few comments:
1) In the lead, it says:
I saw "Luxemburg" in association with Sigismund's name several times throughout the article, so I changed the few that were spelled "Luxembourg" to "Luxemburg" for consistency, except not the instances of "Luxembourg" in the lead. I saw that the link at Sigismund of Luxembourg in this sentence leads to an article entitled Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor. In the first line of that article, it says, "Sigismund of Luxemburg". If a search is done for "Luxemburg", it leads to the article Luxembourg. I'm just wondering whether "Luxemburg" in the article on Sigismund should be changed to "Luxembourg", or is it because it was more German than French at that time? I'm also wondering whether all the instances of "Luxemburg" should be changed to match the "Sigismund of Luxembourg" in the lead, or vice versa, or just leave it as it is.
2) In the second paragraph in "Reign", I added "historian" before the name "Jan Długosz" in this sentence:
It has just sounded a little odd to say "according to the 15th-century Jan Długosz". I looked at his article and saw that he was listed as having four roles, or careers. Instead of listing all of them, I chose the one that seemed the most pertinent for this sentence. Hope that was all right.
3) Toward the end of the third paragraph in the section Mary, Queen of Hungary#Restoration and capture (1386–1387) is the following sentence:
It's not clear to me why Sigismund would want to capture Gomnec Castle. It sounds like his wife Mary and her mother were no longer imprisoned there. I don't see why this is even mentioned. If it is important, perhaps some hint of the reason could be given.
Well, that's all. Corinne ( talk) 01:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
I had to force myself to bring this up, but the subject of this article is not the primary topic for " Mary, Queen of Hungary". It is most evident when one searches for Queen Mary of Hungary. [2] Virtually all hits refer to Mary of Hungary (governor of the Netherlands). I think this is something that should be considered. Surtsicna ( talk) 12:58, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
The names of 29 people in the ancestry chart include the territorial designation. That's how it's always been. Why should one of them be an exception? Surtsicna ( talk) 18:16, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
I responded to your argument, citing the WP:Primary topic guideline. I made an argument in favor of the original wording and you did not respond to that at all. I don't think you have the right to claim that "no serious argument for other name" has been made. Surtsicna ( talk) 19:10, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Do you intend to respond to any of my arguments? Surtsicna ( talk) 21:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Władysław I of Poland could be Władysław I Herman, who was not father of Elizabeth, Queen of Hungary, eg. John Freed, Frederick Barbarossa: The Prince and the Myth, Yale University Press, 2016. I understand that Surtsicna and Borsoka invanted their own system of genealogical tables, but it their POV. I removed unclear information from article. Swetoniusz ( talk) 20:39, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Why do you think that the form "Władysław I the Elbow-high" is better in the context than the stable form "Władysław I of Poland" which is fully in line with the forms otherwise used in the ahnetapfel "First name (Number) of Country". Please remember that, for instance, Britannica calls him simply Władysław I (king of Poland) ( [4]), so we cannot say that the stable form cannot be verified. Borsoka ( talk) 17:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
This not an argument that Surtsicna prefer version that mislead readers. Please, use real arguments and stop edit wars. Swetoniusz ( talk) 13:02, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
The problem with Category:Queens of Hungary is that it should include both consorts and female monarchs. The consorts were just as much queens as the monarchs were. One might even argue that the consorts belong to that category more than the female monarchs do because the latter were officially titled kings. Either way, Mary and Maria Theresa ought to be grouped with the other Hungarian monarchs. Surtsicna ( talk) 15:36, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Article even states that she was crowned King. She was not a queen. 98.109.137.129 ( talk) 10:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)