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This section needs some work. One of its problems is the list of "recent economists who have made significant contributions in the Marxian vein." Lists in articles tend to be problematic because they always beg the question of inclusion/exclusion. They are hard to maintain, as anyone can (and usually will) drop by and add their favorite name to the list. In short, they are hard to defend and hard to keep current. I suggest we eliminate the list and upgrade the section. If no one objects, I will begin by removing the list. Sunray 18:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Re: AK's recent edits: Great. Now it is beginning to look like a reasonable section. Sunray 16:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Some time ago (May 24, 2007 to be exact) Watchdog07 provided the following reasons for placing the neutrality tag on the "Criticism" section of this article:
Tags are warning flags for issues needing the attention of editors. They are usually of short duration. Since we have dealt with other issues raised on this page in May, could we now return to the neutrality tag? Sunray 16:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Given the previous work on this section, I believe that the concerns raised in Watchdog07's points "a" and "d" have been addressed (I know I can rely on him to correct me if I am wrong). Perhaps we could review the remaining two points:
In addition to the above, I think that the third paragraph ("Critics who have alleged...") could benefit from a more neutral wording. For example: "... economists... who wish the field to be grounded in their "correct" versions of Marxian economics" The word "wish" seems hard to verify—we don't know what they wish unless they have said "I wish," which I doubt is the case. The word "correct," in quotes, should perhaps be removed. Thoughts, suggestions? Sunray 17:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Rubentomas ( talk) 20:35, 12 February 2014 (UTC) Hello User:Bobrayner I find lack of neutrality in Criticism when referring Klinman without clarifying first that his work is against theories of inconsistency, not the opposite. I simply expanded Klinman's reference so the reader wouldn't have to scroll down to find about the paper's title.
Hello User:Spylab, I took your "unreferenced" tags off sections where references to Capital are given. Some of these are in the supporting quotes; some are in parentheses right in the text. I think putting the references right in the text is better than sticking them in a note at the bottm of the page if the reference can be brief enough not to clutter the text; it makes it more accessible.
I may take the "cleanup" tag off "Labour" soon too, after I add some things to it. If you still think it's messy or unclear, I would appreciate yor comments on where or how to improve it. -- User:Gonji ha, January 2009 —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC).
Also, the reason I bold-face terms the first time they appear is so that readers can use this as sort of a glossary to the key -- and to the uninitiated, mysterious -- terms in Marxian economics. The bolding makes terms easier to locate. -- User:Gonji ha —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC).
The title of this article should be " Marxist Political Economy", since political economy is the name of the science, and "economics" is the invented term by bourgeois vulgar economists to deny the scientific nature of political economy. In this sense "Marxian economics" is very misleading title. 北東北国際 ( talk) 07:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
This article has suffered a great deal because people have meddled with it who are either sectarians, or Marxist enthusiasts without any relevant qualifications or experience in the field. In China, "Marxist political economy" may be the norm, but in the West, "Marxian economics" is a quite acceptable label for a branch of heterodox economics. The article should be revised by a knowledgeable professional in the field who is not subject to sectarian bias, or the original versions should be restored. It is sad that good contributions to the article in the past have been lost, because somebody thought they would change the content to their own liking. Emotionally this may be satisfying to the writer but it does not help the reader of the article intending to learn more about the topic - this article is now so bad that it would turn anybody that reads it off the topic altogether. User:Jurriaan 20:25 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Rubentomas ( talk) 20:38, 12 February 2014 (UTC) Hello User:Bobrayner Added clarification on difference between value and price (even if for you is obvious). Not the same in Marxian economics.
Basic.atari ( talk) 02:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 15:43, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
where are the other articles in the series on marxian economics? did the editor mean series on marxism? Darkstar1st ( talk) 00:38, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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Marxist economics should be the title here, since it better captures the relationship of these theories of classical political economy to the movement of "marxism". Marxist economics has relatively little in common with Marx critique of political economy other than names such as Ricardo and Smith.
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I reverted a few big changes (all done on April 12th) by Rvtcbckt. While they may or may not have merit, they were all completely uncited and were written in a difficult to understand style. I suspect they may have been translations, or perhaps the editor is a second language speaker of English.
I also noticed that someone contacted that user on their talkpage about these changes, but to no avail.
I would have simply fixed the language, but they also rubbed off as opinionated and I believe they may have been original research. In any case, because they made the article less legible, I decided to revert them. I would be grateful if someone who has a better understanding of the topic can give his or her opinion. Av = λv ( talk) 23:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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This section needs some work. One of its problems is the list of "recent economists who have made significant contributions in the Marxian vein." Lists in articles tend to be problematic because they always beg the question of inclusion/exclusion. They are hard to maintain, as anyone can (and usually will) drop by and add their favorite name to the list. In short, they are hard to defend and hard to keep current. I suggest we eliminate the list and upgrade the section. If no one objects, I will begin by removing the list. Sunray 18:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Re: AK's recent edits: Great. Now it is beginning to look like a reasonable section. Sunray 16:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Some time ago (May 24, 2007 to be exact) Watchdog07 provided the following reasons for placing the neutrality tag on the "Criticism" section of this article:
Tags are warning flags for issues needing the attention of editors. They are usually of short duration. Since we have dealt with other issues raised on this page in May, could we now return to the neutrality tag? Sunray 16:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Given the previous work on this section, I believe that the concerns raised in Watchdog07's points "a" and "d" have been addressed (I know I can rely on him to correct me if I am wrong). Perhaps we could review the remaining two points:
In addition to the above, I think that the third paragraph ("Critics who have alleged...") could benefit from a more neutral wording. For example: "... economists... who wish the field to be grounded in their "correct" versions of Marxian economics" The word "wish" seems hard to verify—we don't know what they wish unless they have said "I wish," which I doubt is the case. The word "correct," in quotes, should perhaps be removed. Thoughts, suggestions? Sunray 17:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Rubentomas ( talk) 20:35, 12 February 2014 (UTC) Hello User:Bobrayner I find lack of neutrality in Criticism when referring Klinman without clarifying first that his work is against theories of inconsistency, not the opposite. I simply expanded Klinman's reference so the reader wouldn't have to scroll down to find about the paper's title.
Hello User:Spylab, I took your "unreferenced" tags off sections where references to Capital are given. Some of these are in the supporting quotes; some are in parentheses right in the text. I think putting the references right in the text is better than sticking them in a note at the bottm of the page if the reference can be brief enough not to clutter the text; it makes it more accessible.
I may take the "cleanup" tag off "Labour" soon too, after I add some things to it. If you still think it's messy or unclear, I would appreciate yor comments on where or how to improve it. -- User:Gonji ha, January 2009 —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC).
Also, the reason I bold-face terms the first time they appear is so that readers can use this as sort of a glossary to the key -- and to the uninitiated, mysterious -- terms in Marxian economics. The bolding makes terms easier to locate. -- User:Gonji ha —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC).
The title of this article should be " Marxist Political Economy", since political economy is the name of the science, and "economics" is the invented term by bourgeois vulgar economists to deny the scientific nature of political economy. In this sense "Marxian economics" is very misleading title. 北東北国際 ( talk) 07:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
This article has suffered a great deal because people have meddled with it who are either sectarians, or Marxist enthusiasts without any relevant qualifications or experience in the field. In China, "Marxist political economy" may be the norm, but in the West, "Marxian economics" is a quite acceptable label for a branch of heterodox economics. The article should be revised by a knowledgeable professional in the field who is not subject to sectarian bias, or the original versions should be restored. It is sad that good contributions to the article in the past have been lost, because somebody thought they would change the content to their own liking. Emotionally this may be satisfying to the writer but it does not help the reader of the article intending to learn more about the topic - this article is now so bad that it would turn anybody that reads it off the topic altogether. User:Jurriaan 20:25 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Rubentomas ( talk) 20:38, 12 February 2014 (UTC) Hello User:Bobrayner Added clarification on difference between value and price (even if for you is obvious). Not the same in Marxian economics.
Basic.atari ( talk) 02:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 15:43, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
where are the other articles in the series on marxian economics? did the editor mean series on marxism? Darkstar1st ( talk) 00:38, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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Marxist economics should be the title here, since it better captures the relationship of these theories of classical political economy to the movement of "marxism". Marxist economics has relatively little in common with Marx critique of political economy other than names such as Ricardo and Smith.
Pauloroboto ( talk) 12:06, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
I reverted a few big changes (all done on April 12th) by Rvtcbckt. While they may or may not have merit, they were all completely uncited and were written in a difficult to understand style. I suspect they may have been translations, or perhaps the editor is a second language speaker of English.
I also noticed that someone contacted that user on their talkpage about these changes, but to no avail.
I would have simply fixed the language, but they also rubbed off as opinionated and I believe they may have been original research. In any case, because they made the article less legible, I decided to revert them. I would be grateful if someone who has a better understanding of the topic can give his or her opinion. Av = λv ( talk) 23:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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