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I do believe that because Brodeur is such a unique goaltender, a section on his page should be devoted to his style of play. I think that a minor section under career should talk about his stats versus certain players; this is something he himself often discusses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbmagic93 ( talk • contribs) 14:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
In case you were wondering, I reverted most of your edits because a large portion of the information was either speculative/unsourced (the discussion of the "A" Line), or incorrect (Brodeur has won 3 Vezinas). However, he has played 15 years and only made the All-Star Game 8 times (he was named to this year's team but opted not to play). Anthony Hit me up... 19:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I dont know how you all missed it, but since this article is locked I cant fix it. In the final paragraph of "2004--Present," someone stuck a link to pest in front of Sean Avery's name. // 68.100.70.125 ( talk) 17:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that we should try to get this on the front page for May 6 (Martin's B-Day). By then it will have been an FA article for over 2 years (which is 2 points on the TFA scale). Still have a while to go before we can request it, but it's just something to keep in mind. -- Sportskido8 ( talk)
From the article: "Brodeur and Sean Avery refused to shake each other's hand." Is this accurate? From what I remember, Avery extended his hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingdomcarts ( talk • contribs) 23:59, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, I seriously think with the record being tied last night, (hopefully) broken Tuesday night, and all the edits to the page trying to update the stats and whatnot, this page needs to be on serious lockdown between now & whenever the record is broken. Otherwise we're going to deal with IP address vandals trying to throw in all kinds of nonsense (and pissed off Ranger fans still carrying an Avery grudge). Just a thought to save us all a lot of grief. Anthony Hit me up... 16:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I think it should be clarified that his record breaking single season and career wins record include shootout wins, which represented a substantial rules change and are fundamentally different than winning a game by playing 5 on 5 or 4 on 4 hockey. Not an asterix per se, but something like "Most Single Season Wins (including Shootouts)"-- Pelti ( talk) 18:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Is There anyone who know where to find assist stats and more statistic about brodeur? Brodeur is pursuing most assit record for a goaltender ( Barasso still hold the record with 48 ) and most point for a goalie. That would be great to include those stat. I find out on the net that by 2006 he had 26 assist and 1 goal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.35.167.48 ( talk) 05:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
That doesn't make any sense, Clearly he would have still broken Roy's wins record, but not nearly as quick, a "win is a win is a win" would make sense in a arguement only if Roy was able to win(or lose) all his games and not be forced to ties his entire career as Martin Brodeur hasn't recorded a single Tie to his name since the lock-out. When heading into a shoot-out he automatically has a 50/50 chance of winning simply by having his teammates out-score the other team where as Roy only had a 1/3 chance of winning the game vs a tie or a loss. The shoot-out era clearly gives goalies a bigger chance to rack up more wins than the previous years before the new overtime. — Preceding
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Why were the pictures moved around? The one in the red uniform looks better for the top - you can actually see his face. -- Sportskido8 ( talk) 18:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Please stop edit warring. Take the next two weeks to discuss the disputes. When you've reached some sort of consensus, feel free to ask me on my talk page or request unprotection at WP:RFUP. - Rjd0060 ( talk) 17:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
For two years, the lead in this article was barely touched, and it was fine like that. I don't understand why it needs to undergo a facelift now that Marty has broken the wins record. It is clear, concise and cohesive - anyone who is unfamiliar with Brodeur will gain a nice understanding of him just from the lead alone.
Do we really need these new changes? You want to clarify that he's a "player"...but it says it right in the first sentence that he has played his entire career with the Devils. That seems like sufficient evidence to me. -- Sportskido8 ( talk) 21:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Please delete the "543" after "W" in the header of this section. The number here certainly does not mean anything. Thanks. -- Roged ( talk) 06:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? -- Sportskido8 ( talk) 14:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
According to the
New York Daily News, "his statistics are artificially inflated playing behind a team that perfected the defensive trap - and ruined hockey in the process.
[2]
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No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dc2000 ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
An edit war is beginning to brew. We know that Brodeur was born in Canada and recently became an American citizen -- he holds dual-citizenship. But does this make him " Canadian American"? According to the Wikipedia article on Canadian American, the term describes "an American of Canadian descent." There is no reference to citizenship or birthplace. (This, in the same way that the term " African American" refers to ancestry - the person may have never set foot in Africa). Yet, I look at the Bobby Holik article, another player born outside of the USA that obtained American citizenship, and he is described as "Czech-American". So, in the lead sentence, should we use the birthplace (Canadian), citizenship (Canadian-American), ancestry (Canadian), or current home (American)? Me Three ( talk to me) 13:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi, what about adding some information about Brodeur being the MVP of the decade in the NHL? I think it is a valuable fact and should be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.100.136.166 ( talk) 13:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Well I would add it since I definitely consider it worth mentioning (even if it's not an official award), the problem is I am not a native speaker so someone else should probably do it. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.88.128.146 ( talk) 01:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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I noticed this phrase -- "Brodeur is regarded as a brilliant chef and an engaging raconteur in his spare time.[8]" -- and the reference is effectively dead. Also, using the term "chef" typically denotes a trained professional, not just "someone who cooks really well," although the word "chef" has essentially been deprecated enough to the point where it can mean that nowadays. Wondering if that should be changed (both a term other than "chef" and the reference link itself). Crimson667 ( talk) 12:57, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no updated picture from the press conference showing him with a Blues uniform on? It's his most recent team, that should be his 2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:747C:4CF:F28D:A672 ( talk) 07:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC) article picture.
There's a lot of unsourced content in here, which in itself would make it automatically fail a GAN/FAC if it was nominated today. The prose has some issues as well, and could use a copyedit which I think I can take care of at some point, but I'm sure I wouldn't have the time or motivation to go through and source the half of the article that needs it. Would anyone be interested in taking this one on? G loss 07:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Following the announcement of Brodeur's retirement, we're going to need someone to updated the small St Louis Blues section of the article, covering his leave of absence and his role in the front office. I'd do it but not too knowledgeable on the situation. I did however update the info bar and his career statistics to include his short tenure with the Blues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spilia4 ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I'd go further and say that everything in the article post 2009 needs to be re-written. There are too many "On such-and-such a date, X happened" sentences. Sxg169 ( talk) 18:51, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello!
I've seen this page a few times, and, to be honest, I'm finding that I particularly like the 2006 photo of him, as it is a particularly striking pose, whereas the 2012 photo isn't nearly as striking. Both are excellent inclusions for the article, but, I find that, for the 'front page', so to speak, I prefer.
I've already made the swap, but what do you think? I'd like to see your answers before any reversions occur. Also, I'm trying to figure out how to replace the existing image with an enlarged version that I've prepared, as the current one is rather small. If someone can tell me how to do that, I'd greatly appreciate it, since this would qualify as a minor improvement per the guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Legacy ( talk • contribs) 02:57, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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Still has a long way to go, but it definitely classifies as a B at this point. Sportskido8 17:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC) |
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I do believe that because Brodeur is such a unique goaltender, a section on his page should be devoted to his style of play. I think that a minor section under career should talk about his stats versus certain players; this is something he himself often discusses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbmagic93 ( talk • contribs) 14:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
In case you were wondering, I reverted most of your edits because a large portion of the information was either speculative/unsourced (the discussion of the "A" Line), or incorrect (Brodeur has won 3 Vezinas). However, he has played 15 years and only made the All-Star Game 8 times (he was named to this year's team but opted not to play). Anthony Hit me up... 19:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I dont know how you all missed it, but since this article is locked I cant fix it. In the final paragraph of "2004--Present," someone stuck a link to pest in front of Sean Avery's name. // 68.100.70.125 ( talk) 17:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that we should try to get this on the front page for May 6 (Martin's B-Day). By then it will have been an FA article for over 2 years (which is 2 points on the TFA scale). Still have a while to go before we can request it, but it's just something to keep in mind. -- Sportskido8 ( talk)
From the article: "Brodeur and Sean Avery refused to shake each other's hand." Is this accurate? From what I remember, Avery extended his hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingdomcarts ( talk • contribs) 23:59, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, I seriously think with the record being tied last night, (hopefully) broken Tuesday night, and all the edits to the page trying to update the stats and whatnot, this page needs to be on serious lockdown between now & whenever the record is broken. Otherwise we're going to deal with IP address vandals trying to throw in all kinds of nonsense (and pissed off Ranger fans still carrying an Avery grudge). Just a thought to save us all a lot of grief. Anthony Hit me up... 16:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I think it should be clarified that his record breaking single season and career wins record include shootout wins, which represented a substantial rules change and are fundamentally different than winning a game by playing 5 on 5 or 4 on 4 hockey. Not an asterix per se, but something like "Most Single Season Wins (including Shootouts)"-- Pelti ( talk) 18:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Is There anyone who know where to find assist stats and more statistic about brodeur? Brodeur is pursuing most assit record for a goaltender ( Barasso still hold the record with 48 ) and most point for a goalie. That would be great to include those stat. I find out on the net that by 2006 he had 26 assist and 1 goal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.35.167.48 ( talk) 05:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
That doesn't make any sense, Clearly he would have still broken Roy's wins record, but not nearly as quick, a "win is a win is a win" would make sense in a arguement only if Roy was able to win(or lose) all his games and not be forced to ties his entire career as Martin Brodeur hasn't recorded a single Tie to his name since the lock-out. When heading into a shoot-out he automatically has a 50/50 chance of winning simply by having his teammates out-score the other team where as Roy only had a 1/3 chance of winning the game vs a tie or a loss. The shoot-out era clearly gives goalies a bigger chance to rack up more wins than the previous years before the new overtime. — Preceding
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Why were the pictures moved around? The one in the red uniform looks better for the top - you can actually see his face. -- Sportskido8 ( talk) 18:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Please stop edit warring. Take the next two weeks to discuss the disputes. When you've reached some sort of consensus, feel free to ask me on my talk page or request unprotection at WP:RFUP. - Rjd0060 ( talk) 17:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
For two years, the lead in this article was barely touched, and it was fine like that. I don't understand why it needs to undergo a facelift now that Marty has broken the wins record. It is clear, concise and cohesive - anyone who is unfamiliar with Brodeur will gain a nice understanding of him just from the lead alone.
Do we really need these new changes? You want to clarify that he's a "player"...but it says it right in the first sentence that he has played his entire career with the Devils. That seems like sufficient evidence to me. -- Sportskido8 ( talk) 21:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Please delete the "543" after "W" in the header of this section. The number here certainly does not mean anything. Thanks. -- Roged ( talk) 06:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? -- Sportskido8 ( talk) 14:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
According to the
New York Daily News, "his statistics are artificially inflated playing behind a team that perfected the defensive trap - and ruined hockey in the process.
[2]
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08:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dc2000 ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
An edit war is beginning to brew. We know that Brodeur was born in Canada and recently became an American citizen -- he holds dual-citizenship. But does this make him " Canadian American"? According to the Wikipedia article on Canadian American, the term describes "an American of Canadian descent." There is no reference to citizenship or birthplace. (This, in the same way that the term " African American" refers to ancestry - the person may have never set foot in Africa). Yet, I look at the Bobby Holik article, another player born outside of the USA that obtained American citizenship, and he is described as "Czech-American". So, in the lead sentence, should we use the birthplace (Canadian), citizenship (Canadian-American), ancestry (Canadian), or current home (American)? Me Three ( talk to me) 13:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi, what about adding some information about Brodeur being the MVP of the decade in the NHL? I think it is a valuable fact and should be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.100.136.166 ( talk) 13:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Well I would add it since I definitely consider it worth mentioning (even if it's not an official award), the problem is I am not a native speaker so someone else should probably do it. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.88.128.146 ( talk) 01:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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I noticed this phrase -- "Brodeur is regarded as a brilliant chef and an engaging raconteur in his spare time.[8]" -- and the reference is effectively dead. Also, using the term "chef" typically denotes a trained professional, not just "someone who cooks really well," although the word "chef" has essentially been deprecated enough to the point where it can mean that nowadays. Wondering if that should be changed (both a term other than "chef" and the reference link itself). Crimson667 ( talk) 12:57, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no updated picture from the press conference showing him with a Blues uniform on? It's his most recent team, that should be his 2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:747C:4CF:F28D:A672 ( talk) 07:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC) article picture.
There's a lot of unsourced content in here, which in itself would make it automatically fail a GAN/FAC if it was nominated today. The prose has some issues as well, and could use a copyedit which I think I can take care of at some point, but I'm sure I wouldn't have the time or motivation to go through and source the half of the article that needs it. Would anyone be interested in taking this one on? G loss 07:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Following the announcement of Brodeur's retirement, we're going to need someone to updated the small St Louis Blues section of the article, covering his leave of absence and his role in the front office. I'd do it but not too knowledgeable on the situation. I did however update the info bar and his career statistics to include his short tenure with the Blues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spilia4 ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I'd go further and say that everything in the article post 2009 needs to be re-written. There are too many "On such-and-such a date, X happened" sentences. Sxg169 ( talk) 18:51, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello!
I've seen this page a few times, and, to be honest, I'm finding that I particularly like the 2006 photo of him, as it is a particularly striking pose, whereas the 2012 photo isn't nearly as striking. Both are excellent inclusions for the article, but, I find that, for the 'front page', so to speak, I prefer.
I've already made the swap, but what do you think? I'd like to see your answers before any reversions occur. Also, I'm trying to figure out how to replace the existing image with an enlarged version that I've prepared, as the current one is rather small. If someone can tell me how to do that, I'd greatly appreciate it, since this would qualify as a minor improvement per the guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Legacy ( talk • contribs) 02:57, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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