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This article is not in proper Wikipedia format because it's just an empty page waiting for translation of the French entry on its subject. Rosieredfield ( talk) 21:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
I've made a start by adding a translation of one section from the French entry. -- Zeborah ( talk) 03:55, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Nice work. For anybody interested, the Nature article is here: http://www.nature.com/news/down-s-syndrome-discovery-dispute-resurfaces-in-france-1.14690 and a very interesting interview with Dr Gautier here: http://www.newengelpublishing.com/randy-engel-interview-with-marthe-gautier/ Cloning jedi ( talk) 14:40, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Zeborah. Will you be able to translate the rest of the French entry? We're still missing all the biographical information about Dr. Gautier before she worked on the Down syndrome chromosomes, and all the information about what happened to her after this discovery. Rosieredfield ( talk) 20:49, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I am going to translate some parts - however an English native speaker will need to proof read the translated text. christophe ( talk) 17:22, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Rosieredfield sorry I've been sidetracked from this! Have just added another section and thanks to the great work christophe and everyone else in the meantime I think that covers the bulk of the French entry now. -- Zeborah ( talk) 00:15, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
@ 92.26.125.228 - we are still expanding this article so quite a few expressions and statements are not yet fine tuned. Once the translation part has been completed we will try to review the English version to make sure the final text is POV neutral - which might currently not be the case. -- christophe ( talk) 10:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Compared to the Lejeune article, this article seems to be strongly favouring Gautier's version of events. I think the dispute over who discovered it should be considered controversial and this article should strive to give a more nuanced version of these events. JackAidley ( talk) 13:55, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
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It's anachronistic to say that Raymond Turpin's team was studying children with "trisomy" in 1958, since until Marthe Gautier's work no one knew that any patients had a third chromosome of any kind. Presumably the writer does not want to say Down's Syndrome, or Mongolism, or whatever French paediatricians called their condition at that time. NRPanikker ( talk) 21:26, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
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This article is not in proper Wikipedia format because it's just an empty page waiting for translation of the French entry on its subject. Rosieredfield ( talk) 21:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
I've made a start by adding a translation of one section from the French entry. -- Zeborah ( talk) 03:55, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Nice work. For anybody interested, the Nature article is here: http://www.nature.com/news/down-s-syndrome-discovery-dispute-resurfaces-in-france-1.14690 and a very interesting interview with Dr Gautier here: http://www.newengelpublishing.com/randy-engel-interview-with-marthe-gautier/ Cloning jedi ( talk) 14:40, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Zeborah. Will you be able to translate the rest of the French entry? We're still missing all the biographical information about Dr. Gautier before she worked on the Down syndrome chromosomes, and all the information about what happened to her after this discovery. Rosieredfield ( talk) 20:49, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I am going to translate some parts - however an English native speaker will need to proof read the translated text. christophe ( talk) 17:22, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Rosieredfield sorry I've been sidetracked from this! Have just added another section and thanks to the great work christophe and everyone else in the meantime I think that covers the bulk of the French entry now. -- Zeborah ( talk) 00:15, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
@ 92.26.125.228 - we are still expanding this article so quite a few expressions and statements are not yet fine tuned. Once the translation part has been completed we will try to review the English version to make sure the final text is POV neutral - which might currently not be the case. -- christophe ( talk) 10:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Compared to the Lejeune article, this article seems to be strongly favouring Gautier's version of events. I think the dispute over who discovered it should be considered controversial and this article should strive to give a more nuanced version of these events. JackAidley ( talk) 13:55, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Questionable sources are those that have a poor reputation for checking the facts, lack meaningful editorial oversight, or have an apparent conflict of interest.[8] Such sources include websites and publications expressing views that are widely considered by other sources to be extremist or promotional, or that rely heavily on unsubstantiated gossip, rumor or personal opinion. Questionable sources should only be used as sources of material on themselves, especially in articles about themselves; see below. They are not suitable sources for contentious claims about others.
The website in question, renewamerica.com is an extremist site that calls for Obama's impeachment, claims that he is encouraging drug trafficking, uses sensationalizing headlines and provides almost zero sources for these claims. I propose that this source be removed as it is not a reliable source per Wikipedia:Verifiability — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ging287 ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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It's anachronistic to say that Raymond Turpin's team was studying children with "trisomy" in 1958, since until Marthe Gautier's work no one knew that any patients had a third chromosome of any kind. Presumably the writer does not want to say Down's Syndrome, or Mongolism, or whatever French paediatricians called their condition at that time. NRPanikker ( talk) 21:26, 24 March 2023 (UTC)