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Martha Washington is not the same person as Martha Jefferson. Matters are further confused in that their nicknames are similar (Patsy/Patty). Lady Washington was however married to George Washington and Mrs. Jefferson to Thomas Jefferson, and Lady Washington was 20 years older than Mrs. Jefferson. Kelt1111 03:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
to anonymous, who added that MWJ and TJ were distant cousins, thanks! They were actually related through several lines, through TJ's mother and MWJ's mother, through the Bollings and the Randolphs. In no case was this realtionship closer than third cousins or second cousins, once removed (unlike their daughters and their husbands.) But, 'everybody in Virginia is related!' kelt1111 23:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Um, why is there a sentence about Hemmings having had children with a "Negro"? Did someone copy their information from an "olde" source?
Joanbiased 18:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
As a person not particularly familiar with early American family history, I found the first paragraph incredibly confusing due to the large number of people mentioned in it and the Martha Wayles/Patty and Martha Eppes/Patsy situation. May I try to clarify it by not referring to the women by these unfamiliar nicknames? MarianKroy ( talk) 03:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The picture in this article is that of Jefferson's daughter Martha Jefferson Randolph. Look at the title of the picture. -- DrJos ( talk) 11:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
The spelling of this name is false. I am in possesion of books who mention Martha Wayles Shelton but not Martha Wayles Skelton. There were no "Skeltons" at the time of Martha Wayles, the name was either Chilton, or Shelton prononced the same. Here is an article, [1]-- SpartanGreg09 ( talk) 21:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry I reverted your edit, but please see below. -- Fiftytwo thirty ( talk) 02:08, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Fiftytwo thirty ( talk) 22:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Martha Wayles Skelton Jefferson →
Martha Jefferson —I reverted your edit before looking at this talk page, however, per
WP:NAME we should use the common name, and that would be Martha Jefferson. The middle names are debatable and not necessary. Because Martha Jefferson Redirects here, an Admin needs to do this. --
Fiftytwo thirty (
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02:08, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
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The portrait on this page is NOT that of Martha Wayles Skelton Jefferson, wife of Thomas Jefferson. This is actually a portrait of the Martha Jefferson who was the daughter of Thomas Jefferson and Martha Wayles Skelton. There are no surviving portraits of Thomas Jefferson's wife; he destroyed them all after she died at the age of 34 years. Antares0104 ( talk) 19:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Antares0104
The first footnote in this article is spam, a link to an ad for Viagra. I cannot edit it out. For some reason, when I click "edit" it does not appear.
Danblum ( talk) 00:09, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
The article intro describes Martha Jefferson as "was the second wife of, Thomas Jefferson." besides the typo, she was the first and only wife of Jefferson. 9:58 (EST) 12 July 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.101.148.154 ( talk)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article was recently converted into a redirect, without any apparent discussion beforehand. I have restored the article, and invite people to explain why they think it should be deleted. There seem to be plenty of reliable sources available, including entire books about this person. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 12:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
As I am working on improving the article (adding citations and clarifications or additional content), I am getting confused about how to write about all three Marthas in this article and their name before and after marriage. The text seems to call them by their maiden name until they are married... but that confuses matters and goes against the guideline to use the subject of the articles most common / married surname... as in "Jefferson was..." but that also gets a bit confusing as many may think that refers to Thomas Jefferson (I have been making edits calling him Thomas or Thomas Jefferson).
The three Marthas are Thomas Jefferson's:
Thomas Jefferson's daughter is Mary, aka Polly, aka Maria. I have just been using Mary, but noted in the list of children her two nicknames.
Any helpful pointers would be much appreciated!– CaroleHenson ( talk) 23:43, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Someone added "but disputed by the Scholars Commission Report of 2001," in this edit -- but did not provide a source, so I reverted the edit. Is there a source for this to add it back in?– CaroleHenson ( talk) 19:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
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Martha Washington is not the same person as Martha Jefferson. Matters are further confused in that their nicknames are similar (Patsy/Patty). Lady Washington was however married to George Washington and Mrs. Jefferson to Thomas Jefferson, and Lady Washington was 20 years older than Mrs. Jefferson. Kelt1111 03:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
to anonymous, who added that MWJ and TJ were distant cousins, thanks! They were actually related through several lines, through TJ's mother and MWJ's mother, through the Bollings and the Randolphs. In no case was this realtionship closer than third cousins or second cousins, once removed (unlike their daughters and their husbands.) But, 'everybody in Virginia is related!' kelt1111 23:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Um, why is there a sentence about Hemmings having had children with a "Negro"? Did someone copy their information from an "olde" source?
Joanbiased 18:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
As a person not particularly familiar with early American family history, I found the first paragraph incredibly confusing due to the large number of people mentioned in it and the Martha Wayles/Patty and Martha Eppes/Patsy situation. May I try to clarify it by not referring to the women by these unfamiliar nicknames? MarianKroy ( talk) 03:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The picture in this article is that of Jefferson's daughter Martha Jefferson Randolph. Look at the title of the picture. -- DrJos ( talk) 11:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
The spelling of this name is false. I am in possesion of books who mention Martha Wayles Shelton but not Martha Wayles Skelton. There were no "Skeltons" at the time of Martha Wayles, the name was either Chilton, or Shelton prononced the same. Here is an article, [1]-- SpartanGreg09 ( talk) 21:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry I reverted your edit, but please see below. -- Fiftytwo thirty ( talk) 02:08, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Fiftytwo thirty ( talk) 22:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Martha Wayles Skelton Jefferson →
Martha Jefferson —I reverted your edit before looking at this talk page, however, per
WP:NAME we should use the common name, and that would be Martha Jefferson. The middle names are debatable and not necessary. Because Martha Jefferson Redirects here, an Admin needs to do this. --
Fiftytwo thirty (
talk)
02:08, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Support
Oppose:
The portrait on this page is NOT that of Martha Wayles Skelton Jefferson, wife of Thomas Jefferson. This is actually a portrait of the Martha Jefferson who was the daughter of Thomas Jefferson and Martha Wayles Skelton. There are no surviving portraits of Thomas Jefferson's wife; he destroyed them all after she died at the age of 34 years. Antares0104 ( talk) 19:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Antares0104
The first footnote in this article is spam, a link to an ad for Viagra. I cannot edit it out. For some reason, when I click "edit" it does not appear.
Danblum ( talk) 00:09, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
The article intro describes Martha Jefferson as "was the second wife of, Thomas Jefferson." besides the typo, she was the first and only wife of Jefferson. 9:58 (EST) 12 July 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.101.148.154 ( talk)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article was recently converted into a redirect, without any apparent discussion beforehand. I have restored the article, and invite people to explain why they think it should be deleted. There seem to be plenty of reliable sources available, including entire books about this person. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 12:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
As I am working on improving the article (adding citations and clarifications or additional content), I am getting confused about how to write about all three Marthas in this article and their name before and after marriage. The text seems to call them by their maiden name until they are married... but that confuses matters and goes against the guideline to use the subject of the articles most common / married surname... as in "Jefferson was..." but that also gets a bit confusing as many may think that refers to Thomas Jefferson (I have been making edits calling him Thomas or Thomas Jefferson).
The three Marthas are Thomas Jefferson's:
Thomas Jefferson's daughter is Mary, aka Polly, aka Maria. I have just been using Mary, but noted in the list of children her two nicknames.
Any helpful pointers would be much appreciated!– CaroleHenson ( talk) 23:43, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Someone added "but disputed by the Scholars Commission Report of 2001," in this edit -- but did not provide a source, so I reverted the edit. Is there a source for this to add it back in?– CaroleHenson ( talk) 19:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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