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Should this page be merged with Thylacoleo or vice versa? ( Scotness ( talk) 03:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC))
If this species was evolving for 24 million years than how many species were there? Surely there cant be just 1 species all that time? Enlil Ninlil 02:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I've got a couple of good pictures lined up, but I'm not sure on the lagalities of using the photos. Is there anyway of using them if they're copyrighted? T.carnifex ( talk) 01:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Does Iblardi have a reference for the meaning of Thylacoleos name, other than a latin dictionary? I know, it being a dictionary gives correct (to the authors knowledge, anyway) grammar and root-words, but the generally accepted version should appear on the page.
http://www.parks.sa.gov.au/publish/groups/public/@parks/@uppersoutheast/documents/all/005605.pdf has "comes from thylacis meaning pouched, leo meaning lion and carnifex, to butcher." —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.carnifex ( talk • contribs) 09:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Carnae means meat in spanish. Cazique ( talk) 14:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I'm not arguing with you. Cazique ( talk) 03:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, I've looked dictionary you linked, listened to your reasoning, and done other searches, and it would appear you are correct. Hopefully you can understand why I was confused and questioned it, with there being two sources agreeing on the use of thylacis for pouch (the parks s.a. page, and the transcript). T.carnifex ( talk) 07:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
As we describe here (in wikipedia) many marsupial lion species, like Wakaleo oldfieldi and others, we should be more specific in the name of T. carnifex. So we should move the article Marsupial Lion (T. carnifex) to Pleistocene marsupial lion, as it would be more specific and less confusing.-- Altaileopard ( talk) 11:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
(Deindent) While I can fully understand the desire to simplify navigation for the lay reader, it would be incorrect to move this article to "Pleistocene Marsupial Lion" since that is not the scientifically accepted common name. The literature quoted above (Wroe, et al) uses lower case when it specifies the "Pleistocene marsupial lion" to indicate a member of Thylacoleonidae (the marsupial lions) that existed in the Pleistocene, rather than an animal called THE Pleistocene Marsupial Lion (previous arguments re the interpretation of capitalisation notwithstanding). It is used colloquially to identify T. carnifex in the same manner as "Eocene horse" might be used to mean Hyracotherium. However, given the confusion and vitriol thus far generated, I am not opposed to a move to "Thylacoleo carnifex" as suggested by Rlendog. Secret Squïrrel, approx 04:10, 9 June 2008 (Earth Standard Time)
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For what it's worth, I don't see the need for any change. A quick scan through some other diprotodontians (e.g. Phascolarctos cinereus or Macropus fuliginosus) and a felid ( Panthera onca) showed the same level of detail in the taxo-box. A level of detail which I personally feel is sufficient. T.carnifex ( talk) 13:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
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In Section Behaviour, pls un-italicise Megalania (one occurrence). Since the assignment of this animal to Varanus, Megalania has continued to be used as the common name. As it is no longer the generic name it should not be italicised. Thanks. 203.206.1.188 ( talk) 07:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The article says
Do whales not count? Australian waters have whales that are larger than this mammal.
Montalban ( talk) 00:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Maybe so, although it sounds more clumsy (not a criticism of you), it is more correct Montalban ( talk) 12:58, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
There's a sentence in this which I'm not really sure is helpful or not drenched with someone's personal opinion: "Although it may have shared at least part of its range with the 6-m-long megalania, the marsupial lion remains Australia's most ferocious apex predator because it possessed the most powerful bite of any animal in its weight class." While it does tell us that Thylacoleo has the most powerful bite in its weight class, I feel like the sentence should be heavily restructured, mainly due to its claim that Thylacoleo is the most ferocious predator of Australia. To my knowledge, ferocity doesn't have tiers, and is a pretty vague description of an animal's behavior. How do you even quantify ferocity? The sentence also has no citations, so that's an added problem. Does anyone else think that this sentence should be removed or edited?-- 24.12.175.216 ( talk) 14:56, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
There is no reason to keep them separate. Most of the info in the Thylacoleo article is about T. carnifex, and little is known about the two other species, so there is little chance the Thylacoleo article will grow too long if more info is added about them. FunkMonk ( talk) 10:29, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Thylacoleonidae ( Marsupial lions)
Marsupial "lion" alludes to the superficial resemblance to the placental lion and its ecological niche as a large predator. Thylacoleo is not related to the modern lion Panthera leo.
Thylacoleo (Thylacopardus) - Australia's marsupial lions, that lived from about 2 million years ago, during the late Pliocene and became extinct about 30,000 years ago, during the late Pleistocene epoch.
The holotype fossil was found in Town Cave in South Australia, in Pleistocene-aged strata. Additional possible specimens have been found at the Bow fossil site by students and staff of the University of New South Wales in 1979.
lived during the Pliocene, around 5 million years ago and was about the size of a large dog. Its fossils have been found in southeastern Queensland.
lived during the Pliocene and was half the size of T. crassidentatus.
Fossils of other representatives of Thylacoleonidae, such as Priscileo and Wakaleo, date back to the late Oligocene, some 24 million years. [1]
would that a sensible starting point? feel free to put that into nowiki if it's messing up the talk page, unfortunately just sticking it in nowiki loses the formatting in the contents which is what I was trying to suggest
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There is a proposed merger tag on this article suggesting a merge with Thylacoleo, but no discussion seems to have been initiated. This has been discussed previously (see the first discussion on this page) and was rejected, for the same reason it should be rejected now - this is an article of a species while Thylacoleo is an article about the genus to which this species belongs. The only time we should generally merge a species and genus article is when the genus is monotypic, and Thylacoleo is not. Oppose merge. Rlendog ( talk) 20:55, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru ( talk) 17:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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Aren't all members of Thylacoleo referred to as marsupial lions? Why is only T. carnifex called a marsupial lion and T. crassidentatus and T. hill not? This article should be moved to Thylacoleo carnifex, and marsupial lion should instead redirect to Thylacoleo User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk 18:11, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
"Thylocoleo Carnifex" has the ability to climb tree, and its attack includes an extraordinary thumb claw. 137.59.221.36 ( talk) 10:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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Should this page be merged with Thylacoleo or vice versa? ( Scotness ( talk) 03:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC))
If this species was evolving for 24 million years than how many species were there? Surely there cant be just 1 species all that time? Enlil Ninlil 02:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I've got a couple of good pictures lined up, but I'm not sure on the lagalities of using the photos. Is there anyway of using them if they're copyrighted? T.carnifex ( talk) 01:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Does Iblardi have a reference for the meaning of Thylacoleos name, other than a latin dictionary? I know, it being a dictionary gives correct (to the authors knowledge, anyway) grammar and root-words, but the generally accepted version should appear on the page.
http://www.parks.sa.gov.au/publish/groups/public/@parks/@uppersoutheast/documents/all/005605.pdf has "comes from thylacis meaning pouched, leo meaning lion and carnifex, to butcher." —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.carnifex ( talk • contribs) 09:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Carnae means meat in spanish. Cazique ( talk) 14:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I'm not arguing with you. Cazique ( talk) 03:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, I've looked dictionary you linked, listened to your reasoning, and done other searches, and it would appear you are correct. Hopefully you can understand why I was confused and questioned it, with there being two sources agreeing on the use of thylacis for pouch (the parks s.a. page, and the transcript). T.carnifex ( talk) 07:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
As we describe here (in wikipedia) many marsupial lion species, like Wakaleo oldfieldi and others, we should be more specific in the name of T. carnifex. So we should move the article Marsupial Lion (T. carnifex) to Pleistocene marsupial lion, as it would be more specific and less confusing.-- Altaileopard ( talk) 11:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
(Deindent) While I can fully understand the desire to simplify navigation for the lay reader, it would be incorrect to move this article to "Pleistocene Marsupial Lion" since that is not the scientifically accepted common name. The literature quoted above (Wroe, et al) uses lower case when it specifies the "Pleistocene marsupial lion" to indicate a member of Thylacoleonidae (the marsupial lions) that existed in the Pleistocene, rather than an animal called THE Pleistocene Marsupial Lion (previous arguments re the interpretation of capitalisation notwithstanding). It is used colloquially to identify T. carnifex in the same manner as "Eocene horse" might be used to mean Hyracotherium. However, given the confusion and vitriol thus far generated, I am not opposed to a move to "Thylacoleo carnifex" as suggested by Rlendog. Secret Squïrrel, approx 04:10, 9 June 2008 (Earth Standard Time)
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update the classification to include sub-class and other more detailed levels of taxonomy Bobbobdob ( talk) 20:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I don't see the need for any change. A quick scan through some other diprotodontians (e.g. Phascolarctos cinereus or Macropus fuliginosus) and a felid ( Panthera onca) showed the same level of detail in the taxo-box. A level of detail which I personally feel is sufficient. T.carnifex ( talk) 13:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
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In Section Behaviour, pls un-italicise Megalania (one occurrence). Since the assignment of this animal to Varanus, Megalania has continued to be used as the common name. As it is no longer the generic name it should not be italicised. Thanks. 203.206.1.188 ( talk) 07:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The article says
Do whales not count? Australian waters have whales that are larger than this mammal.
Montalban ( talk) 00:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Maybe so, although it sounds more clumsy (not a criticism of you), it is more correct Montalban ( talk) 12:58, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
There's a sentence in this which I'm not really sure is helpful or not drenched with someone's personal opinion: "Although it may have shared at least part of its range with the 6-m-long megalania, the marsupial lion remains Australia's most ferocious apex predator because it possessed the most powerful bite of any animal in its weight class." While it does tell us that Thylacoleo has the most powerful bite in its weight class, I feel like the sentence should be heavily restructured, mainly due to its claim that Thylacoleo is the most ferocious predator of Australia. To my knowledge, ferocity doesn't have tiers, and is a pretty vague description of an animal's behavior. How do you even quantify ferocity? The sentence also has no citations, so that's an added problem. Does anyone else think that this sentence should be removed or edited?-- 24.12.175.216 ( talk) 14:56, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
There is no reason to keep them separate. Most of the info in the Thylacoleo article is about T. carnifex, and little is known about the two other species, so there is little chance the Thylacoleo article will grow too long if more info is added about them. FunkMonk ( talk) 10:29, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Thylacoleonidae ( Marsupial lions)
Marsupial "lion" alludes to the superficial resemblance to the placental lion and its ecological niche as a large predator. Thylacoleo is not related to the modern lion Panthera leo.
Thylacoleo (Thylacopardus) - Australia's marsupial lions, that lived from about 2 million years ago, during the late Pliocene and became extinct about 30,000 years ago, during the late Pleistocene epoch.
The holotype fossil was found in Town Cave in South Australia, in Pleistocene-aged strata. Additional possible specimens have been found at the Bow fossil site by students and staff of the University of New South Wales in 1979.
lived during the Pliocene, around 5 million years ago and was about the size of a large dog. Its fossils have been found in southeastern Queensland.
lived during the Pliocene and was half the size of T. crassidentatus.
Fossils of other representatives of Thylacoleonidae, such as Priscileo and Wakaleo, date back to the late Oligocene, some 24 million years. [1]
would that a sensible starting point? feel free to put that into nowiki if it's messing up the talk page, unfortunately just sticking it in nowiki loses the formatting in the contents which is what I was trying to suggest
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There is a proposed merger tag on this article suggesting a merge with Thylacoleo, but no discussion seems to have been initiated. This has been discussed previously (see the first discussion on this page) and was rejected, for the same reason it should be rejected now - this is an article of a species while Thylacoleo is an article about the genus to which this species belongs. The only time we should generally merge a species and genus article is when the genus is monotypic, and Thylacoleo is not. Oppose merge. Rlendog ( talk) 20:55, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru ( talk) 17:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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Aren't all members of Thylacoleo referred to as marsupial lions? Why is only T. carnifex called a marsupial lion and T. crassidentatus and T. hill not? This article should be moved to Thylacoleo carnifex, and marsupial lion should instead redirect to Thylacoleo User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk 18:11, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
"Thylocoleo Carnifex" has the ability to climb tree, and its attack includes an extraordinary thumb claw. 137.59.221.36 ( talk) 10:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)