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I have removed the following text added by User:86.15.233.181 as it is not directly relevant on a page about the town of Marlborough. If it should go anywhere (highly unlikely I would think, without some heavy editing) it should probably go on Kennet District Council.
I hope this was the right thing to do. Thanks -- Muntfish 11:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
The main thing to establish in the mind of the reader is that the first syllable has the vowel from "call" not (non-rhotic) "Carl". This seems to be a frequent mistake by people unfamiliar with the town. Beyond that though, I'm curious as to whether the local pronunciation ought to be given as [ˈmɔːrlbrə] or if rhoticity has faded from the area. Perhaps older speakers say it this way? To be clear, this means that they would pronounce the "r" in the first syllable, in the same way that a West Country pronunciation of "farmer" contains two "r" sounds while someone from non-rhotic southern England has none in that word. Old Man of Storr ( talk) 08:06, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
If the rhotic pronunciation is a "frequent mistake" then can we be sure that it is a mistake at all? Is the local pronunciation of a place name necessarily the "correct" one?
Is the town necessarily the primary meaning of Marlborough? Some people might say it was the general. So perhaps there is no primary meaning? PatGallacher ( talk) 23:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I am very familiar with the town, having been born there and having spent a great deal of time in and around it over the years. I have to tell you that the pronounciation is not fixed or common to all, not even those who are genuinely local. For example my grandfather owned a house on London Road at the easternmost end of the paved section before it rises up to the Savernake Forest; even after thirty years in London he spoke as any man of Wessex might with a wonderful rhotic vocabulary and Wiltshire dialect. His neighbour, but one, was a master at the College and spoke perfect BBC received English. They pronounced the name of the town differently to each other, but each understood what the other meant. They were both locally born but of different cultural and educational backgrounds. This did not inhibit their mutual respect and the town remains standing despite their differences in pronunciation. Personally, I would simply celebrate the fact that our language is robust enough to allow these differences. As for meaning; [1] suggests two possible origins: 'Maerla's (burial) mound' or 'hill where gentian grows'. They argue that the roots are based in the OE personal name of Maerla or meargealla 'gentian' + beorg'hill mound'. They add that the first element has no connection with Merlin, the name of the magician in Arthurian legend whose tomb is said to lie beneath Castle Mound - also known as 'Merle Barrow' - in the grounds of Marlborough College. Incidentally they also offer two pronunciations: 'mawl-' or 'mahl-'.<reference/>-- SouthernFrog ( talk) 21:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
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The entry that states that Gordon Richards is buried in St Mary's is factually wrong. Sir Gordon's grave is very close to that of my grandparents in the 'New' cemetery on the Common. I would like to have this corrected. If tthere is no objection in a few weeks then I shall do so myself.-- SouthernFrog ( talk) 21:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move. There doesn't seem to be any disagreement here that the Wiltshire town is not the primary topic. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 17:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Marlborough → Marlborough, Wiltshire – The highest result for this town in a Google search is seventh place. See Marlborough -Wikipedia. Both the Marlborough Region in New Zealand and Marlborough, Massachusetts are more notable. On Google Books, a search for " Marlborough -Wikipedia" brings up numerous references to John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough. Kauffner ( talk) 04:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Those with a better archaelogical grounding than myself may wish to incorporate some of the new information reported in this BBC article (and elsewhere?). Is the Mound yet sufficiently notable to merit its own article? I have seen a suggestion in some archeologically oriented book (can't remember which, possibly one by Julian Cope's) that Silbury Hill was modelled on the slightly earlier(?) Mound. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.201.110.164 ( talk) 16:46, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I would appreciate some help with this move; there are a lot of incoming links to Marlborough; see here. I'd like that list to be a lot smaller before I do the move itself. I think generally all or most of those should be pipe-redirected to Marlborough, Wiltshire. I'll work on them but would appreciate any help! Thanks, ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 17:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
It looks to me that there has been a unethical coup here. Four Opposed to presumably five in Support is not a clear cut decision. I consider that this mover is acting in a very anti-Wikipedian manner. I cannot assume any good faith in this move and consider that this is done in a very underhanded manner. Dabbler ( talk) 14:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
To me it is unethical to close down a discussion where there was no agreement and take unilateral action. I won't fight this elsewhere because I was only mildly opposed to the move in the first place but I do consider that it was a violation of Good Faith. Dabbler ( talk) 23:39, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Though I'm not an admin, I was asked to take a look at this decision and help with getting it re-opened [1]. Here's what I see:
I urge everyone involved to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#PRIMARYTOPIC_wording_change_proposal so that the wording at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC can be fixed to provide better guidance, one way or the other, in situations like this. Sorry if this didn't help. Thanks. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 21:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Whatever the merits of the "educational value" argument in relation to primary topic discussions, I dom't think this is really relevant to this case, unless you are saying that this means educating people about the original meaning. If anything, this is an argument for the British general as the primary meaning, the leading British army general of the 18th century. It can be annoying in discussions when you get people putting forward arguments which are not within the framework of Wikipedia guidelines, and sometimes don't even seem to properly understand what the discussion is about. PatGallacher ( talk) 17:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
The following text has been moved from the Marlborough College article as it did not fit there. Please see if it fits in this article better.
Archaeomythologists using mythology as historical fact to date sites have argued that Marlborough is named after a prehistoric Merlin. Prior to 2011 some, including Ed Joyce in 'The Key to Camelot', had stated that the connection of Arthurian Mythology to sites dated to 2400 - 2300 BC indicated that there had been an Arthur and a Merlin figure living in Britain during this period. Historians had countered suggesting that the mound was dated to the Norman period and that there was no genuine connection to a prehistoric Merlin figure. Carbon dating proved that the archaeomythologists suggested date correct. A legend in Geoffrey of Monmouth states that bluestones at Stonehenge were brought by Merlin to Stonehenge. These stones have also been dated to 2300 -2400 BC, however many archaeologists state that this is coincidental.
A similar dispute occurred over the dating of the golden Rillaton and Ringlemere cups. There were initially dated to 1600 BC by the British Museum however the carbon dating of the Ringlemere barrow site showed that it was from 2300 - 2400BC. Museum authorities continue to argue that the cup dates from around 1600 BC and that the site was dug into in the later period and deposited as a votive offering. The dating of this artefact is still disputed with leading authorities arguing that the dating of golden cups reminiscent of the Arthurian grail to sites with the Arthurian name is a coincidence.
Dabbler ( talk) 17:31, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
In the article both Marlborough Bucket and burial bucket are italicized. Obviously the author thinks they are important. I was unable to find a definitive answer to the question, "Were burial buckets use as coffins?" Or to the question, "Were burial buckets found in graves as treasures, but empty of human remains?" Nick Beeson ( talk) 13:56, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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I've tagged the " marl" derivation of the town's placename as {{CN}}. As the text suggests, it's "plausible", or even attractive, but "plausible" shouldn't get it into Wikipedia without a reliable source. Of the sources I've seen the most common origin is from the barrow standing in the town, belonging to a character called Maerla (rather than the more common Saxon burh). This is in Victoria County History. Other sources suggest derivation from the meargealla plant.
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I have removed the following text added by User:86.15.233.181 as it is not directly relevant on a page about the town of Marlborough. If it should go anywhere (highly unlikely I would think, without some heavy editing) it should probably go on Kennet District Council.
I hope this was the right thing to do. Thanks -- Muntfish 11:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
The main thing to establish in the mind of the reader is that the first syllable has the vowel from "call" not (non-rhotic) "Carl". This seems to be a frequent mistake by people unfamiliar with the town. Beyond that though, I'm curious as to whether the local pronunciation ought to be given as [ˈmɔːrlbrə] or if rhoticity has faded from the area. Perhaps older speakers say it this way? To be clear, this means that they would pronounce the "r" in the first syllable, in the same way that a West Country pronunciation of "farmer" contains two "r" sounds while someone from non-rhotic southern England has none in that word. Old Man of Storr ( talk) 08:06, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
If the rhotic pronunciation is a "frequent mistake" then can we be sure that it is a mistake at all? Is the local pronunciation of a place name necessarily the "correct" one?
Is the town necessarily the primary meaning of Marlborough? Some people might say it was the general. So perhaps there is no primary meaning? PatGallacher ( talk) 23:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I am very familiar with the town, having been born there and having spent a great deal of time in and around it over the years. I have to tell you that the pronounciation is not fixed or common to all, not even those who are genuinely local. For example my grandfather owned a house on London Road at the easternmost end of the paved section before it rises up to the Savernake Forest; even after thirty years in London he spoke as any man of Wessex might with a wonderful rhotic vocabulary and Wiltshire dialect. His neighbour, but one, was a master at the College and spoke perfect BBC received English. They pronounced the name of the town differently to each other, but each understood what the other meant. They were both locally born but of different cultural and educational backgrounds. This did not inhibit their mutual respect and the town remains standing despite their differences in pronunciation. Personally, I would simply celebrate the fact that our language is robust enough to allow these differences. As for meaning; [1] suggests two possible origins: 'Maerla's (burial) mound' or 'hill where gentian grows'. They argue that the roots are based in the OE personal name of Maerla or meargealla 'gentian' + beorg'hill mound'. They add that the first element has no connection with Merlin, the name of the magician in Arthurian legend whose tomb is said to lie beneath Castle Mound - also known as 'Merle Barrow' - in the grounds of Marlborough College. Incidentally they also offer two pronunciations: 'mawl-' or 'mahl-'.<reference/>-- SouthernFrog ( talk) 21:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
References
The entry that states that Gordon Richards is buried in St Mary's is factually wrong. Sir Gordon's grave is very close to that of my grandparents in the 'New' cemetery on the Common. I would like to have this corrected. If tthere is no objection in a few weeks then I shall do so myself.-- SouthernFrog ( talk) 21:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move. There doesn't seem to be any disagreement here that the Wiltshire town is not the primary topic. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 17:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Marlborough → Marlborough, Wiltshire – The highest result for this town in a Google search is seventh place. See Marlborough -Wikipedia. Both the Marlborough Region in New Zealand and Marlborough, Massachusetts are more notable. On Google Books, a search for " Marlborough -Wikipedia" brings up numerous references to John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough. Kauffner ( talk) 04:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Those with a better archaelogical grounding than myself may wish to incorporate some of the new information reported in this BBC article (and elsewhere?). Is the Mound yet sufficiently notable to merit its own article? I have seen a suggestion in some archeologically oriented book (can't remember which, possibly one by Julian Cope's) that Silbury Hill was modelled on the slightly earlier(?) Mound. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.201.110.164 ( talk) 16:46, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I would appreciate some help with this move; there are a lot of incoming links to Marlborough; see here. I'd like that list to be a lot smaller before I do the move itself. I think generally all or most of those should be pipe-redirected to Marlborough, Wiltshire. I'll work on them but would appreciate any help! Thanks, ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 17:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
It looks to me that there has been a unethical coup here. Four Opposed to presumably five in Support is not a clear cut decision. I consider that this mover is acting in a very anti-Wikipedian manner. I cannot assume any good faith in this move and consider that this is done in a very underhanded manner. Dabbler ( talk) 14:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
To me it is unethical to close down a discussion where there was no agreement and take unilateral action. I won't fight this elsewhere because I was only mildly opposed to the move in the first place but I do consider that it was a violation of Good Faith. Dabbler ( talk) 23:39, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Though I'm not an admin, I was asked to take a look at this decision and help with getting it re-opened [1]. Here's what I see:
I urge everyone involved to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#PRIMARYTOPIC_wording_change_proposal so that the wording at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC can be fixed to provide better guidance, one way or the other, in situations like this. Sorry if this didn't help. Thanks. -- Born2cycle ( talk) 21:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Whatever the merits of the "educational value" argument in relation to primary topic discussions, I dom't think this is really relevant to this case, unless you are saying that this means educating people about the original meaning. If anything, this is an argument for the British general as the primary meaning, the leading British army general of the 18th century. It can be annoying in discussions when you get people putting forward arguments which are not within the framework of Wikipedia guidelines, and sometimes don't even seem to properly understand what the discussion is about. PatGallacher ( talk) 17:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
The following text has been moved from the Marlborough College article as it did not fit there. Please see if it fits in this article better.
Archaeomythologists using mythology as historical fact to date sites have argued that Marlborough is named after a prehistoric Merlin. Prior to 2011 some, including Ed Joyce in 'The Key to Camelot', had stated that the connection of Arthurian Mythology to sites dated to 2400 - 2300 BC indicated that there had been an Arthur and a Merlin figure living in Britain during this period. Historians had countered suggesting that the mound was dated to the Norman period and that there was no genuine connection to a prehistoric Merlin figure. Carbon dating proved that the archaeomythologists suggested date correct. A legend in Geoffrey of Monmouth states that bluestones at Stonehenge were brought by Merlin to Stonehenge. These stones have also been dated to 2300 -2400 BC, however many archaeologists state that this is coincidental.
A similar dispute occurred over the dating of the golden Rillaton and Ringlemere cups. There were initially dated to 1600 BC by the British Museum however the carbon dating of the Ringlemere barrow site showed that it was from 2300 - 2400BC. Museum authorities continue to argue that the cup dates from around 1600 BC and that the site was dug into in the later period and deposited as a votive offering. The dating of this artefact is still disputed with leading authorities arguing that the dating of golden cups reminiscent of the Arthurian grail to sites with the Arthurian name is a coincidence.
Dabbler ( talk) 17:31, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
In the article both Marlborough Bucket and burial bucket are italicized. Obviously the author thinks they are important. I was unable to find a definitive answer to the question, "Were burial buckets use as coffins?" Or to the question, "Were burial buckets found in graves as treasures, but empty of human remains?" Nick Beeson ( talk) 13:56, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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I've tagged the " marl" derivation of the town's placename as {{CN}}. As the text suggests, it's "plausible", or even attractive, but "plausible" shouldn't get it into Wikipedia without a reliable source. Of the sources I've seen the most common origin is from the barrow standing in the town, belonging to a character called Maerla (rather than the more common Saxon burh). This is in Victoria County History. Other sources suggest derivation from the meargealla plant.
-- 217.155.32.221 ( talk) 17:18, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
As the yearly Marlborough Jazz Festival no longer runs, this should be reflected in the content of the page. 82.21.243.202 ( talk) 09:36, 19 June 2019 (UTC)