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Surely there is more than 1 police spy in the whole world that is noteworthy? IS this really noteworthy if none of the others are??
For example is not Simon Brenner also noteable? If he is not notable for the German Wikipedia and Kenndy also not notable even though asked about in Parliament there then the category POLICE SPIES should be removed.
Also what has he done that is noteable? There seems to be little in the article that is actually noteable or useful in an encyclopedia rather than yellow press article. And nothing notable in the spying aspect for which he is actually listed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.96.60 ( talk) 18:44, 22 January 2011
While fixing ref citation parameters, I also checked every link to make sure they were still available. I followed one to the letters page of the London Review of Books and decided that it didn't stand up to scrutiny as a "reliable source". The section removed was a verbatim quotation from a letter written by "Duncan Money, Balliol College, Oxford" to the LRB. Money writes "Kennedy was reportedly..." (my emphasis); reported by whom? I'm not doubting the information, but a reader's letter to a book review isn't a RS in this instance. Keri ( talk) 13:39, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Why is the title (police officer) but not (former police officer)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hopper1010 ( talk • contribs) 00:00, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I feel that the removal of Mark from the category ,[[Category:Police spies]] was in appropriate and regret that the matter was not discussed here first. As the lede says "whilst attached to the police service's National Public Order Intelligence Unit,[2] (NPOIU) infiltrated many protest groups between 2003 and 2010", now if that is not spying, then what is? User:Collect has suggested that this is "POV claim not sourced as statement of fact", however as we do not have a method of citing inline sources for categories, User:Collect can easily scan the profusion of newspaper reports which clearly show that Kennedy was indeed a police spy. It would be nice if they could correct their inappropriate deletion. Leutha ( talk) 15:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Whilst I agree that these should have been removed from "External links", these are both reliable sources - in their quite different ways - for the material which has been added: Powerbase is a media response that has arisen from the Mark Kennedy case, and likewise Police Spies Out Of Lives is part of the aftermath that has arisen from his activities. Whether or not either would constitute a reliable source about PC Kennedy's behaviour is not the issue here. Leutha ( talk) 00:03, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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Surely there is more than 1 police spy in the whole world that is noteworthy? IS this really noteworthy if none of the others are??
For example is not Simon Brenner also noteable? If he is not notable for the German Wikipedia and Kenndy also not notable even though asked about in Parliament there then the category POLICE SPIES should be removed.
Also what has he done that is noteable? There seems to be little in the article that is actually noteable or useful in an encyclopedia rather than yellow press article. And nothing notable in the spying aspect for which he is actually listed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.96.60 ( talk) 18:44, 22 January 2011
While fixing ref citation parameters, I also checked every link to make sure they were still available. I followed one to the letters page of the London Review of Books and decided that it didn't stand up to scrutiny as a "reliable source". The section removed was a verbatim quotation from a letter written by "Duncan Money, Balliol College, Oxford" to the LRB. Money writes "Kennedy was reportedly..." (my emphasis); reported by whom? I'm not doubting the information, but a reader's letter to a book review isn't a RS in this instance. Keri ( talk) 13:39, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Why is the title (police officer) but not (former police officer)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hopper1010 ( talk • contribs) 00:00, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I feel that the removal of Mark from the category ,[[Category:Police spies]] was in appropriate and regret that the matter was not discussed here first. As the lede says "whilst attached to the police service's National Public Order Intelligence Unit,[2] (NPOIU) infiltrated many protest groups between 2003 and 2010", now if that is not spying, then what is? User:Collect has suggested that this is "POV claim not sourced as statement of fact", however as we do not have a method of citing inline sources for categories, User:Collect can easily scan the profusion of newspaper reports which clearly show that Kennedy was indeed a police spy. It would be nice if they could correct their inappropriate deletion. Leutha ( talk) 15:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Whilst I agree that these should have been removed from "External links", these are both reliable sources - in their quite different ways - for the material which has been added: Powerbase is a media response that has arisen from the Mark Kennedy case, and likewise Police Spies Out Of Lives is part of the aftermath that has arisen from his activities. Whether or not either would constitute a reliable source about PC Kennedy's behaviour is not the issue here. Leutha ( talk) 00:03, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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WP:RS: Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also generally unacceptable. Sites with user-generated content include personal websites, personal blogs, group blogs, the Internet Movie Database (IMDb), the Comic Book Database (CBDB.com), content farms, most wikis, and other collaboratively created websites. Also ads on commercial cites are not considered RS either: the content guidelines for External links prohibits linking to "Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services," And in
WP:EL: This specifically includes e-commerce and other commercial-sales links, which are prohibited in External links but allowed in footnoted citations. and Open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors.
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