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Does anyone have any more information about Mark Geier as a person and scientist? We're sorely lacking details that are normally present in a biography: family, education and training (what schools, when?), even date of birth. Instead, much of this article consists of details that ought to be (or are already duplicated) in the articles Thimerosal, Andrew Wakefield, and MMR vaccine. Perhaps Mark Geier needs to focus more on Mark Geier. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 01:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This is getting a bit unwieldy, so I'm breaking up my response to the above comment into sections. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 02:31, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'll address that last question first. First, reread the linked reference [1]. Geier was testifying as a medical expert who was introducing a diagnosis of vaccine-induced acute encephalopathy in a patient. To the best of my knowledge, Geier was not the attending physician and did not see the patient until well after the events took place; he was giving an opinion based on information in the case file and medical history.
The PhD in genetics is a red herring. It involves biological and not medical training, and would only be relevant to the matter in question if Geier was diagnosing a gene-linked disorder like Huntington's disease. His MD training is actually more on point, but Geier was an obstetrician and not a paediatric neurologist. By testifying that a particular patient suffered an acute encephalopathy, Geier was making a neurological diagnosis that he probably wasn't qualified to make. Geier further failed to meet the AMA's Code of Ethics standards for an expert witness in this case.
If Geier had wanted to testify about vaccine effects in general, or to the point that a reaction to vaccination may in some cases lead to acute encephalopathy, then as a published researcher in the field he would likely be qualified to do so. He was not qualified to make an neurological diagnosis after the fact for a specific patient, and the Special Master called him on it. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 01:36, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm not clear on what you're saying about blanket deletions and POV with respect to the NBC piece. Geier's viewpoint was presented in the NBC series, just not by Geier. My understanding is that it got a very thorough airing. If you believe there is a systematic suppression in the media of anti-big pharma sentiment, I would have to disagree. The media loves to scare people, legitimately or otherwise. If there was even a hint of suppression and scandal, I would expect it to be plastered all over the news. It's good for ratings and circulation to stick it to drug companies and the government. If anything, it means that bad science gets more than its fair share of airtime in the interest of 'balance'—you need look no further than that absurd Fox piece on how the Apollo moon landings were faked. Although I agree with you that insertion of POV is the modus operandi of the media, I would suggest that their tendency is to side with the underdog lone crusader—not with the CDC, FDA, or any other part of the government.
Which important clinical research have government agencies impeded? You're going to have to be more specific on that. If you're referring specifically to Geier's work with VAERS data, I gather that there were serious concerns about him mishandling confidential patient information. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 02:31, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think we might be getting a bit off track with respect to Andrew Wakefield. I think the key question about him here is, what mention should he have in this article? Remember, we're writing an article about Mark Geier. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 02:31, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This is again about the main heading here, "Biography?": all the stuff about the VSD access, and also the Kathleen Seidel things, would make much more sense in Thiomersal controversy. The present article could be shortened considerably, and might remain more stable as a result of that. This might be in the interest of everyone involved here: pro-Geier, contra-Geier and pro-facts.-- Biologos ( talk) 14:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
David Geier isn't a lawyer; I am removing that assertion from the lead paragraph. To the best of my knowledge he isn't a member of any bar and he has no law degree. He is president of MedCon, a company which employs lawyers. MedCon draws part of its income from filing vaccine injury lawsuits, which may well be worth noting—but that doesn't make David Geier a lawyer. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 12:41, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Chelation therapy is used by mainstream practitioners as a treatment for lead poisoning; I've removed the comment about "alternative practitioners" for that reason. What is controversial is the use of chelation agents in patients that do not have a very high body burden of heavy metals. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 17:37, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The American Academy of Pediatrics rebuttal was six pages long and listed fifteen specific flaws that they perceived in the Geier's work, as well as comments about the general misuse of VAERS data. Whether you agree with their points or not, the AAP's criticism is definitely "detailed". "Emphatic" and "scathing" might also be acceptable adjectives, but "detailed" strikes me as the most neutral. Removing the adjective implies that the AAP just didn't like the study and issued a one-page press release or something. -- TenOfAllTrades ( talk/ contrib) 23:51, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Copied from article main page:
The link after this statement is pointing to a NYT article. This particular article has caused some controversy (and public rebuttals). But nonetheless, it doesn't "work" with the text.
The link to the article would be more appropriate after this line:
However, if the NYT piece is going to be used as a source for the Geier article I feel it would be more "honest" to mention that it has received negative attention for it's unbalanced presentation. Becca77 11:01, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Ombudsman reinserted some deleted irrelevant "see also" links [2]. Links such as to the 2000 Simpsonwood CDC conference are completely illogical if the relationship between Mark Geier and this conference is not stated. This is not the first time Ombudsman has listed numerous of his favoured articles in the "see also" section simply to push a POV. JFW | T@lk 14:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Edit apparently designed to make entire article marked as changed so as to hide reinsertion of those links reverted. Michael Ralston 13:02, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually the original paper on the spleen was in Nature and Dr. Geier was the first author. A short follow up was published in the New england Journal on which Dr. Geier was the second author.
If Neurodiversity is to continue to contribute to this article it is only fair that the readers know what their position is on autism research, treatment, etc. They somehow want to prevent the diagnosis and treatment of severely autistic children most of whom never speak, who often are violent and who without treatment will almost certainly need life time care. (IP user)
I think the paragraph explaining what neurodiversity is was irrelevant to the article to being with, and has grown to contain too much information about neurodiversity, Kathleen Seidel, and the other activities of neurodiversity activists. These should be in separate articles if needed. I propose the paragraph should be removed, and perhaps replaced with a short phrase that states Kathleen is a neurodiversity advocate/activist. Readers can check what neurodiversity is by clicking on the link. The neurodiversity article has a section on criticism of neurodiversity. Neurodivergent 22:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Finally, I should clarify that I am in no way associated with Neurodiversity.com. I'm just a reader of that blog. But my username might confuse IP User. Neurodivergent 22:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
As there have been no objections to my proposal to delete the irrelevant pragraph, I'll just go ahead and delete it. Neurodivergent 23:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
8-2-06 I have attempted to edit this article to remove things that are totally inaccurate and I have tried to update the article while not removing any of the negative editorial things which various people have added to this article. I should point out that this is supposed to be an encyclopedia not a blog. I have never seen such contoversial things put in an encyclopedia before. Dr. Mark Geier
Whether you like it or not the article that you keep saying has been removed has been published Horm Res 2006;66:182-188. Look it up if you wish on pubmed and the Hormone research web site. Also our patent has nothing to do with testosterone sheets and everything to do with what we published in Hormone research. Try reading it if you can. Also you have no knowledge of what we are currently doing at the VSD. We are there regularly. Try contacting the National Immunization Program of the CDC. They no loger exist as i have said. The rules of this are to publish the truth. Dr. Mark Geier
I am aware that Hormone Research has republished the article with a corrected byline. This article should mention that. However, the fact that the article was pulled and the byline corrected is notable and should be documented. Neurodivergent 14:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
BTW, nowhere that I'm aware of has Hormone Research indicated that they made a mistake in the byline. In fact, the byline was changed to something that does not include "George Washington University" at all. So the paragraph that indicates Hormone Research made a mistake should be changed. I'm aware that Mark Geier claims the originally submitted byline was "Graduate Student, ... George Washington University" and that Hormone Research conducted an investigation. While Hormone Research has not released the results of their investigation AFAIK, it is clear that they determined it was not appropriate to include GWU in the byline, as the research is totally unrelated to that institution. Additionally, it appears that David Geier is only technically a student there. Neurodivergent 14:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Let's contrast Mark Geier's statement above:
and the new "conflicts of interest" statement in the Hormone Research article:
That's pretty interesting. Too bad Wikipedia cannot reference itself. No matter, I understand Kathleen's most revealing finding is yet to come. Neurodivergent 21:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Dr. Geier wrote above:
I would certainly hope that we attempt to publish the truth, but the rules here are that we publish verifiable facts from reliable sources. They must be third party sources, so if you can provide those sources (not your own, that would constitute original research), we'd be happy to consider incorporating the information in the article, including to correct inaccuracies.
BTW, please remember to sign your comments with four tildes. -- Fyslee 11:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
There have been some very heavy edits happening recently from the anonymous user 69.138.225.97, and it looks like they may be coming from someone close to the subject of this article. Just a heads-up for those monitoring things here. -- Tim D 07:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm guessing Justice2day is Dr. Geier's registered name? I'm a bit uncomfortable with him re-writing a good portion of this article. I would recommend collecting references and letting a third-party source objectively analyze and integrate them. -- Tim D 02:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
It appears his behavior becomes even more suspicious. He has or does edit using the following user names:
If he really doesn't intend to use the first two IPs anymore and sticks to using Justice2day, fine, but the last one is a very serious matter, as it is a misuse of Kathleen Seidel's name. She is webmaster for neurodiversity.com. -- Fyslee 21:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
It would be appalling if Mark Geier really created a Kathleen Seidel sockpuppet, for the explicit purpose of deleting content in the article he finds embarrasing. It's kind of childish too. But it's funny also that User:Leifern afterwards went and reverted to the blanking out done by User:Seidel,K. It's like they would like that content to go away -- no kidding. Neurodivergent 16:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of references.....this article is in desperate need of help. I have added the references code, so now it is possible to turn all links and the existing notes into proper references. One can look at other articles to see how it's done. More information here: WP:FOOT. -- Fyslee 19:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
The lead section needs attention. There is no mention of controversies, and the lead should include short mention of all the significant subjects in the article:
-- Fyslee 14:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
The lead paragraph mentions that Dr. Geier is board certified in two medical disciplines. However, a search of the American Board of Medical Specialties website, www.abms.org, fails to find Dr. Geier's certifications AND fails to find either board. This could be constured as misleading, since the average lay person may equate "board certification" with the well known boards in such disciplines as internal medicine, orthopedics, etc. It should be properly addressed.
FreeSpeaker 21:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)== Lead ==
An anonymous editor deleted the "Allegations of ethics violations" section. While I don't like it when people delete things without explanation, I do think that the section in question was a little iffy in terms of being suitable for the article. Perhaps a shorter section with an external link would be better... -- Tim D 01:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, User:Quantumerik tried to add the following original research and personal attack into the article:
Another editor rightly removed it shortly after that. I wonder, does Quantumerik think readers are stupid? Even if the Geiers used the same data (and Dr. DeStefano of the CDC does not believe they even had access to the same data) are we to believe this automatically would cause dozens of English phrases to match in the two manuscripts in basically the same order of appearance? That is NOT replication of a study. Dr. DeStefano, BTW, is the one who first complained about the similarities. Neurodivergent 22:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The entry for Mark Geier has been several times updated with factual information in this section regarding a new scientific/medical publication. The article was published in Medical Hypotheses, and the article is presently listed on PubMed (Medline). The information provided in the entry was accurate. Despite this fact, it is obvious that some with a potential political agenda have deleted this information. This type of action has happended multiple times on the entry for Mark Geier, and as a result it seems that the entry for Mark Geier is nothing more than weblog for those whose who disagree with Mark Geier. Furthermore, it is apparent that the Kathleen Seidel of Neurodiversity has been directly refuted and discredited in her claims of non-hormonal problems in autistic disorders, and regarding her claims that anti-hormonal treatments in autistic disorders do not produce clinically significant improvements in autistic disorders. Additionally, it should be noted regarding the new scientific/medical publication that the authors are both Ph.D.s and M.D.s and have affilitations with significant academic institutions including the University of Virginia and Tulane University, and hence far outweight any claims may be Kathleen Seidel of Neurodiversity who has no medical training and is simply claims to be the parent of an autistic child. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DHEA-S ( talk • contribs) 08:22, 10 December 2006
While I'm in the frame of mind, I just need to bring this up: I think that the criticisms section needs a lot of work. Personally, I'm not comfortable with it and it sounds like a persuasive speech rather than something from an encyclopedia. Wouldn't it be best to report the meat of what's going on and leave the ugly details to an external link? It just looks and sounds messy as it is, and I cringe from time to time because name-dropping and excessive details can quickly pull down the perceived objectivity of anything. No offense of course! There just seems to be a thin line that needs to be treaded. -- Tim D 08:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, this is the text DHEA-S wanted to add:
Clearly, the phrase that reads "in direct contradiction to claims by Kathleen Seidel of Neurodiversity" just can't be part of Wikipedia. It's a personal attack of sorts, of course, but it's also uncitable. Nowhere that I recall has Kathleen stated there is a lack of hormonal abnormalities in autistic disorders, nor even that anti-androgen therapy is useless. Furthermore, the phrase that reads "of Neurodiversity" gives the impression that Kathleen belongs to an organization named Neurodiversity. There's no such thing. The phrase should be "Kathleen Seidel of neurodiversity.com" or something to that effect. The citation provided says "Spironolactone might be a desirable immunologic and hormonal intervention in ASD". I fail to see how this speculation supports DHEA-S's contention. Never mind that the journal is Medical Hypothesis, or that the senior author, Jeff Bradstreet, is someone who has suggested exorcism is a treatment option for ASD and that Secretin is still a valuable autism treatment. As to suspicion of sockpuppetry, the admins should look into that, although I don't believe they were helpful the last time around. Neurodivergent 16:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Erik Nanstiel, using at least two anonymous accounts ( 24.15.236.23 and 209.253.127.2), persists in removing a section of this page. While the disputed content is not directly relevant to the article, it is relevant in that it documents a pattern of anonymous editing by a person with personal ties to the Geiers.
Erik, neither I nor anyone else have attacked you personally here, but we have questioned your behavior. If you are going to contribute to Wikipedia (and why shouldn't you?), you should try to follow both the rules and the spirit of the thing.
I don't claim to be neutral regarding the Geiers, and clearly neither are you.
So the least that either of us can do is to at least identify ourselves so that readers and other editors can judge our contributions appropriately. I would argue that unless you are willing to log in, sign your comments, and stop hiding behind several different unnamed IP addresses, then you should refrain from editing. -- DaveSeidel 04:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
-Erik
This section was removed due to lack of citations. Add back once sources found?
On August 8, 2005, Dr. Frank DeStefano of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention wrote a letter to the Editor-In-Chief of the journal Medical Science Monitor regarding supposed similarities between Geier & Geier (2005) and the 2000 draft of the Verstraeten et al. study published in 2000. citation needed DeStefano, who is one of the co-authors of the study, stated that he had doubts that the Geiers actually performed the Phase II analyses because, to the best of his knowledge, the Geiers had not had access to the VSD data required to perform those analyses. citation needed Medical Science Monitor acknowledged receipt of the letter on August 17, 2005, citation needed but there is no evidence the editorial board of the journal considered the complaint credible.
Fences and windows ( talk) 02:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
This note is being done by Dr. Mark Geier. I have not made any changes to the article. Here are some documented facts that if you wish you may use to increase the accuracy of this articele: 1. In addition to my MD I hold a PHD in genetics 1973 from George Washington University. This fact has somehow been removed from the article. 2. I am board certified in genetics by the American Board of Medical Genetics and I am an Associate Founding Fellow of the American College of Clinical Genetics (FACMG). 3. I am board certified in epidemiology and I am a Fellow of the American College of Epidemiology (FACE). 4. In the section called "Limited access to Vaccine Safety Datalink records" further investigation revealed no wrong doing and I was again granted access to this database and in fact I have just recently published, along with an Professor of Public health from George Washington University and with my son David Geier, a paper on my studies from the database in the Journal of the Neurological Sciences, "Thimerosal exposure in infants and neurodevelopmental disorders: An assessment of computerized medical records in the Vaccine Safety Datalink." by Young HA, Geier DA, Geier MR. 5. I was a treating physician and I filed an expert report which included approximately 500 peer-reviewed references in the case of Poling V. HHS which was the first case in which the US Government conceded that vaccines caused autism in a child with an underlying mitochodrial disorder. If you wish to keep the article up to date and accurate, I will from time to time write you notes like this one. Mark R. Geier, MD, PHD, FACMG, FACE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.138.225.97 ( talk) 03:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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Thiomersal controversy. (The information in that article seems to be more encyclopedic, it contains less "tit-for-tat" than the present article.)--
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The "See Also" link has been moved inline on June 26. IMO, it's too important to be hidden there. Also, a more prominent link might prevent some people from wanting to add all this controversy information here again and agian.-- Biologos ( talk) 14:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I retrieved reference Burton, Dan (May, 2003). Mercury in Medicine: Taking Unnecessary Risks. Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness, Committee on Government Reform, United States House of Representatives. today and couldn't find the quote "However, the Committee upon a thorough review of the scientific literature and internal documents from government and industry did find evidence that thimerosal did pose a risk. [...] misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry." that's said to be taken from there. The quote should be deleted or the correct source should be found.-- Biologos ( talk) 08:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
You guys are a total joke. Now I ma not a medical doctor. This will come as a great suprise to my thousands of patients. I got my MD from George Washongton University in 1978 and i have been a licensed physician in Maryland and Virginia for decades, if anyone care.This piece is full of ducmented fa;sehoods but yuou guys apparently think it is a joke. Dr. Mark Geier, MD, PHD, FACMG, FACE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.55.235 ( talk) 19:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the MD. What happened to the following?????
In 1970, while at the
National Institutes of Health, Dr. Geier co-authored a paper published in
Nature reporting the first sucessful genetic engineering experiment in which bacteriophage Lambda which carried the galactose operon was used to correct the inability of cells in tissue culture from a patient with galactosemia to metabolise the milk sugar galactose. This work received world-wide aclaim in the scientific press and in the news media and resulted in a personal call of congratulation from then President Richard Nixon. In 1973 Dr. Geier was an author of another paper in the
New England Journal of Medicine which reported the spleen, which was thought to be mostly vestigual in humans, in fact played a critical role in immunity by maintaining intact antigen allowing for a more robust immune response which was especially important the vaccination process.
This article is supposed to be about me. These are some of the most important things i have ever done. They made headline press worldwide. They can easily be documented. How can you justify leaving them out???
Mark R Geier MD, PHD, FACMG, FACE —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
69.251.55.235 (
talk)
22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Please change the following line: He is a fellow of the American College of Medical Genetics and the American College of Epidemiology. To he is board certified by the American Board of Medical Genetics and is a fellow of the American College of Epidemiology. Sorry for the error. I am actaully an Associate Founding Member of the American College of Medical Genetics and not an Associate Founding Fellow of the American College of Clinical Genetics a fellow. Sorry for the error. Dr. Mark Geier —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.49.35 ( talk) 20:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC) 4-24-09 I made the above change. Dr. Mark Geier —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.49.35 ( talk) 12:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
This information can be used here and maybe elsewhere:
These are all V & RS, so go for it. -- Brangifer ( talk) 01:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
The article lists Geier as "...a medical doctor with a Ph.D. in genetics" but provides no specific information as to his educational background. Does he have an M.D. or D.O. degree as well as a Ph.D in genetics? Where did he earn these degrees. Seems like it should be pretty easy to establish if he actually has medical training or not (my money's on not). Inoculatedcities ( talk) 21:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I have started a discussion here:
Brangifer ( talk) 19:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
So far, some of the edits of Geier (under one of his guises) have been removed. The latest has been deleted in the same manner we delete the edits of any sockpuppet. What shall we do with this one?:
Let's get input from other editors. Geier's own input is so tinged with COI that it can't stand alone. Brangifer ( talk) 02:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I have got news for you all, I am not Mark Geier. Once again, you make statements that are not true, but there seems to way to hold any of you accountable for deleting true information or for telling lies. You simply delete information you do not like, and you believe it is like it never happend (like deleting my previous comments in the discussion section page). You make comments in this discussion section using four letter words of accusation (i.e., "I mean, wtf?"). This is not appropriate, and you should be banned from editing on wikipedia forever. The edits I have made to this page were true statements. The deletions you have made to the Mark Geier page have made this page less true (a pattern that has persisted regarding this page for many years). It is a fact that Dr. Mark Geier is a Fellow of the American College of Medical Genetics. It is a fact that Dr. Mark Geier is licensed to practice medicine in the states of Maryland, Virginia, Washington, Indiana, Illinois, Texas, Hawaii, Kentucky, Florida, and Missouri. It is a fact that Dr. Mark Geier has co-authored 70 articles indexed on PubMed of the National Library of Medicine. It is a fact that Dr. Mark Geier is the president of the Genetic Centers of America, which has offices throughout the middle-atlantic region, and he is a founder and medical director of ASD Centers, LLC, which has offices across the United States. To withhold such information from this page is not appropriate. If there were any true editors reviewing this page from wikipedia, they would clearly stop your malicious and inappropriate editing practices. The Dr. Mark Geier wikipedia entry is not a web-blog for those who wish to attack him, but instead is supposed to reflect factually correct information. At present, the Dr. Mark Geier wikipedia entry does not reflect the truth, and is simply an avenue for you to persist in posting inaccurate information about Dr. Mark Geier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice2day ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
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This is a search of the American Academy of Pediatrics web site that might indicate that the article claiming that the May 16 2003 "Study Fails to Show a Connection Between Thimerosal and Autism" perhaps has been withdrawn by that organization. If this is so, then the unnamed author of the critique or the publishing organization no longer fully supports what it was saying? Could the article have been renamed to use mercury in its title? Is this article cached elsewhere by a web site that advocates fascists interests? Oldspammer ( talk) 15:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
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Please fix the dead (404 error) reference linked as it remains unresolved. Oldspammer ( talk) 01:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
More content from a RS, documenting the antics of a Florida chiropractor in collusion with the Geiers:
-- Brangifer ( talk) 20:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Anyone seen a good secondary source with this information? Would also be good to add Geier's reaction and plans (appeal, etc). Right now the section is purely primary source based (pushing the limits of WP:BLPPRIMARY, I think), and probably goes into too much detail. Probably can pull the bullet list. Thoughts? Ravensfire ( talk) 00:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I am reviewing current information available on the web to see if any updates are in order. Onlydemi ( talk) 16:58, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
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I just noticed that the page does not refer to the fact that on June 26, 2019, the judgment of the Montgomery County Circuit Court awarding damages to Mark Geier was reversed by the Court of Special Appeals of Maryland. However, it would not be appropriate for me to add this information to the page, given that I have reported extensively on Mark and David Geier, and therefore have a conflict of interest with regard to their work. Here's how I would put it:
On June 26, 2019, the Court of Special Appeals of Maryland overturned the verdict, noting that, "[a]ll of the individual defendants who were sued under §1983 have absolute immunity under federal law because they performed adjudicative or prosecutorial functions and the applicable provisions of State law afforded adequate procedural safeguards to restrain unconstitutional conduct by agency officials... [R]equiring officials to risk multi-million-dollar lawsuits and to subject their motives to the appraisal of a factfinder would do more to undermine the public trust than to enhance it."
Primary reference: https://mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/cosa/2019/0338s18.pdf (PDF of decision). Secondary references: https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4633496/bd-of-physicians-v-geier (HTML transcript of decision), https://thedailyrecord.com/2019/06/27/geier-board-of-physicians-cosa (paywalled news report).
KathleenSeidel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:18, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Mark Geier's birthdate is May 3, 1948.
Primary reference: Maryland State Board of Physicians (April 27, 2011). Order for summary suspension of license to practice medicine. In the matter of Mark R. Geier, M.D., before the Maryland State Board of Physicians. Case Numbers: 2007-0083, 2008-0454 & 2009-0308. http://www.circare.org/autism/md/geier_20110427.pdf
As noted above, I have reported extensively on Mark and David Geier, have a conflict of interest with regard to their work, and would prefer not to edit the page myself. I will, however, add his birthdate and a sentence about the above-mentioned Maryland Court of Appeals judgment overturning the verdict against the BOP if no one else makes those edits before the end of the year.
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Does anyone have any more information about Mark Geier as a person and scientist? We're sorely lacking details that are normally present in a biography: family, education and training (what schools, when?), even date of birth. Instead, much of this article consists of details that ought to be (or are already duplicated) in the articles Thimerosal, Andrew Wakefield, and MMR vaccine. Perhaps Mark Geier needs to focus more on Mark Geier. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 01:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This is getting a bit unwieldy, so I'm breaking up my response to the above comment into sections. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 02:31, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'll address that last question first. First, reread the linked reference [1]. Geier was testifying as a medical expert who was introducing a diagnosis of vaccine-induced acute encephalopathy in a patient. To the best of my knowledge, Geier was not the attending physician and did not see the patient until well after the events took place; he was giving an opinion based on information in the case file and medical history.
The PhD in genetics is a red herring. It involves biological and not medical training, and would only be relevant to the matter in question if Geier was diagnosing a gene-linked disorder like Huntington's disease. His MD training is actually more on point, but Geier was an obstetrician and not a paediatric neurologist. By testifying that a particular patient suffered an acute encephalopathy, Geier was making a neurological diagnosis that he probably wasn't qualified to make. Geier further failed to meet the AMA's Code of Ethics standards for an expert witness in this case.
If Geier had wanted to testify about vaccine effects in general, or to the point that a reaction to vaccination may in some cases lead to acute encephalopathy, then as a published researcher in the field he would likely be qualified to do so. He was not qualified to make an neurological diagnosis after the fact for a specific patient, and the Special Master called him on it. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 01:36, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm not clear on what you're saying about blanket deletions and POV with respect to the NBC piece. Geier's viewpoint was presented in the NBC series, just not by Geier. My understanding is that it got a very thorough airing. If you believe there is a systematic suppression in the media of anti-big pharma sentiment, I would have to disagree. The media loves to scare people, legitimately or otherwise. If there was even a hint of suppression and scandal, I would expect it to be plastered all over the news. It's good for ratings and circulation to stick it to drug companies and the government. If anything, it means that bad science gets more than its fair share of airtime in the interest of 'balance'—you need look no further than that absurd Fox piece on how the Apollo moon landings were faked. Although I agree with you that insertion of POV is the modus operandi of the media, I would suggest that their tendency is to side with the underdog lone crusader—not with the CDC, FDA, or any other part of the government.
Which important clinical research have government agencies impeded? You're going to have to be more specific on that. If you're referring specifically to Geier's work with VAERS data, I gather that there were serious concerns about him mishandling confidential patient information. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 02:31, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think we might be getting a bit off track with respect to Andrew Wakefield. I think the key question about him here is, what mention should he have in this article? Remember, we're writing an article about Mark Geier. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 02:31, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This is again about the main heading here, "Biography?": all the stuff about the VSD access, and also the Kathleen Seidel things, would make much more sense in Thiomersal controversy. The present article could be shortened considerably, and might remain more stable as a result of that. This might be in the interest of everyone involved here: pro-Geier, contra-Geier and pro-facts.-- Biologos ( talk) 14:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
David Geier isn't a lawyer; I am removing that assertion from the lead paragraph. To the best of my knowledge he isn't a member of any bar and he has no law degree. He is president of MedCon, a company which employs lawyers. MedCon draws part of its income from filing vaccine injury lawsuits, which may well be worth noting—but that doesn't make David Geier a lawyer. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 12:41, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Chelation therapy is used by mainstream practitioners as a treatment for lead poisoning; I've removed the comment about "alternative practitioners" for that reason. What is controversial is the use of chelation agents in patients that do not have a very high body burden of heavy metals. -- TenOfAllTrades | Talk 17:37, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The American Academy of Pediatrics rebuttal was six pages long and listed fifteen specific flaws that they perceived in the Geier's work, as well as comments about the general misuse of VAERS data. Whether you agree with their points or not, the AAP's criticism is definitely "detailed". "Emphatic" and "scathing" might also be acceptable adjectives, but "detailed" strikes me as the most neutral. Removing the adjective implies that the AAP just didn't like the study and issued a one-page press release or something. -- TenOfAllTrades ( talk/ contrib) 23:51, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Copied from article main page:
The link after this statement is pointing to a NYT article. This particular article has caused some controversy (and public rebuttals). But nonetheless, it doesn't "work" with the text.
The link to the article would be more appropriate after this line:
However, if the NYT piece is going to be used as a source for the Geier article I feel it would be more "honest" to mention that it has received negative attention for it's unbalanced presentation. Becca77 11:01, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Ombudsman reinserted some deleted irrelevant "see also" links [2]. Links such as to the 2000 Simpsonwood CDC conference are completely illogical if the relationship between Mark Geier and this conference is not stated. This is not the first time Ombudsman has listed numerous of his favoured articles in the "see also" section simply to push a POV. JFW | T@lk 14:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Edit apparently designed to make entire article marked as changed so as to hide reinsertion of those links reverted. Michael Ralston 13:02, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually the original paper on the spleen was in Nature and Dr. Geier was the first author. A short follow up was published in the New england Journal on which Dr. Geier was the second author.
If Neurodiversity is to continue to contribute to this article it is only fair that the readers know what their position is on autism research, treatment, etc. They somehow want to prevent the diagnosis and treatment of severely autistic children most of whom never speak, who often are violent and who without treatment will almost certainly need life time care. (IP user)
I think the paragraph explaining what neurodiversity is was irrelevant to the article to being with, and has grown to contain too much information about neurodiversity, Kathleen Seidel, and the other activities of neurodiversity activists. These should be in separate articles if needed. I propose the paragraph should be removed, and perhaps replaced with a short phrase that states Kathleen is a neurodiversity advocate/activist. Readers can check what neurodiversity is by clicking on the link. The neurodiversity article has a section on criticism of neurodiversity. Neurodivergent 22:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Finally, I should clarify that I am in no way associated with Neurodiversity.com. I'm just a reader of that blog. But my username might confuse IP User. Neurodivergent 22:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
As there have been no objections to my proposal to delete the irrelevant pragraph, I'll just go ahead and delete it. Neurodivergent 23:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
8-2-06 I have attempted to edit this article to remove things that are totally inaccurate and I have tried to update the article while not removing any of the negative editorial things which various people have added to this article. I should point out that this is supposed to be an encyclopedia not a blog. I have never seen such contoversial things put in an encyclopedia before. Dr. Mark Geier
Whether you like it or not the article that you keep saying has been removed has been published Horm Res 2006;66:182-188. Look it up if you wish on pubmed and the Hormone research web site. Also our patent has nothing to do with testosterone sheets and everything to do with what we published in Hormone research. Try reading it if you can. Also you have no knowledge of what we are currently doing at the VSD. We are there regularly. Try contacting the National Immunization Program of the CDC. They no loger exist as i have said. The rules of this are to publish the truth. Dr. Mark Geier
I am aware that Hormone Research has republished the article with a corrected byline. This article should mention that. However, the fact that the article was pulled and the byline corrected is notable and should be documented. Neurodivergent 14:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
BTW, nowhere that I'm aware of has Hormone Research indicated that they made a mistake in the byline. In fact, the byline was changed to something that does not include "George Washington University" at all. So the paragraph that indicates Hormone Research made a mistake should be changed. I'm aware that Mark Geier claims the originally submitted byline was "Graduate Student, ... George Washington University" and that Hormone Research conducted an investigation. While Hormone Research has not released the results of their investigation AFAIK, it is clear that they determined it was not appropriate to include GWU in the byline, as the research is totally unrelated to that institution. Additionally, it appears that David Geier is only technically a student there. Neurodivergent 14:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Let's contrast Mark Geier's statement above:
and the new "conflicts of interest" statement in the Hormone Research article:
That's pretty interesting. Too bad Wikipedia cannot reference itself. No matter, I understand Kathleen's most revealing finding is yet to come. Neurodivergent 21:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Dr. Geier wrote above:
I would certainly hope that we attempt to publish the truth, but the rules here are that we publish verifiable facts from reliable sources. They must be third party sources, so if you can provide those sources (not your own, that would constitute original research), we'd be happy to consider incorporating the information in the article, including to correct inaccuracies.
BTW, please remember to sign your comments with four tildes. -- Fyslee 11:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
There have been some very heavy edits happening recently from the anonymous user 69.138.225.97, and it looks like they may be coming from someone close to the subject of this article. Just a heads-up for those monitoring things here. -- Tim D 07:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm guessing Justice2day is Dr. Geier's registered name? I'm a bit uncomfortable with him re-writing a good portion of this article. I would recommend collecting references and letting a third-party source objectively analyze and integrate them. -- Tim D 02:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
It appears his behavior becomes even more suspicious. He has or does edit using the following user names:
If he really doesn't intend to use the first two IPs anymore and sticks to using Justice2day, fine, but the last one is a very serious matter, as it is a misuse of Kathleen Seidel's name. She is webmaster for neurodiversity.com. -- Fyslee 21:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
It would be appalling if Mark Geier really created a Kathleen Seidel sockpuppet, for the explicit purpose of deleting content in the article he finds embarrasing. It's kind of childish too. But it's funny also that User:Leifern afterwards went and reverted to the blanking out done by User:Seidel,K. It's like they would like that content to go away -- no kidding. Neurodivergent 16:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of references.....this article is in desperate need of help. I have added the references code, so now it is possible to turn all links and the existing notes into proper references. One can look at other articles to see how it's done. More information here: WP:FOOT. -- Fyslee 19:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
The lead section needs attention. There is no mention of controversies, and the lead should include short mention of all the significant subjects in the article:
-- Fyslee 14:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
The lead paragraph mentions that Dr. Geier is board certified in two medical disciplines. However, a search of the American Board of Medical Specialties website, www.abms.org, fails to find Dr. Geier's certifications AND fails to find either board. This could be constured as misleading, since the average lay person may equate "board certification" with the well known boards in such disciplines as internal medicine, orthopedics, etc. It should be properly addressed.
FreeSpeaker 21:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)== Lead ==
An anonymous editor deleted the "Allegations of ethics violations" section. While I don't like it when people delete things without explanation, I do think that the section in question was a little iffy in terms of being suitable for the article. Perhaps a shorter section with an external link would be better... -- Tim D 01:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, User:Quantumerik tried to add the following original research and personal attack into the article:
Another editor rightly removed it shortly after that. I wonder, does Quantumerik think readers are stupid? Even if the Geiers used the same data (and Dr. DeStefano of the CDC does not believe they even had access to the same data) are we to believe this automatically would cause dozens of English phrases to match in the two manuscripts in basically the same order of appearance? That is NOT replication of a study. Dr. DeStefano, BTW, is the one who first complained about the similarities. Neurodivergent 22:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The entry for Mark Geier has been several times updated with factual information in this section regarding a new scientific/medical publication. The article was published in Medical Hypotheses, and the article is presently listed on PubMed (Medline). The information provided in the entry was accurate. Despite this fact, it is obvious that some with a potential political agenda have deleted this information. This type of action has happended multiple times on the entry for Mark Geier, and as a result it seems that the entry for Mark Geier is nothing more than weblog for those whose who disagree with Mark Geier. Furthermore, it is apparent that the Kathleen Seidel of Neurodiversity has been directly refuted and discredited in her claims of non-hormonal problems in autistic disorders, and regarding her claims that anti-hormonal treatments in autistic disorders do not produce clinically significant improvements in autistic disorders. Additionally, it should be noted regarding the new scientific/medical publication that the authors are both Ph.D.s and M.D.s and have affilitations with significant academic institutions including the University of Virginia and Tulane University, and hence far outweight any claims may be Kathleen Seidel of Neurodiversity who has no medical training and is simply claims to be the parent of an autistic child. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DHEA-S ( talk • contribs) 08:22, 10 December 2006
While I'm in the frame of mind, I just need to bring this up: I think that the criticisms section needs a lot of work. Personally, I'm not comfortable with it and it sounds like a persuasive speech rather than something from an encyclopedia. Wouldn't it be best to report the meat of what's going on and leave the ugly details to an external link? It just looks and sounds messy as it is, and I cringe from time to time because name-dropping and excessive details can quickly pull down the perceived objectivity of anything. No offense of course! There just seems to be a thin line that needs to be treaded. -- Tim D 08:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, this is the text DHEA-S wanted to add:
Clearly, the phrase that reads "in direct contradiction to claims by Kathleen Seidel of Neurodiversity" just can't be part of Wikipedia. It's a personal attack of sorts, of course, but it's also uncitable. Nowhere that I recall has Kathleen stated there is a lack of hormonal abnormalities in autistic disorders, nor even that anti-androgen therapy is useless. Furthermore, the phrase that reads "of Neurodiversity" gives the impression that Kathleen belongs to an organization named Neurodiversity. There's no such thing. The phrase should be "Kathleen Seidel of neurodiversity.com" or something to that effect. The citation provided says "Spironolactone might be a desirable immunologic and hormonal intervention in ASD". I fail to see how this speculation supports DHEA-S's contention. Never mind that the journal is Medical Hypothesis, or that the senior author, Jeff Bradstreet, is someone who has suggested exorcism is a treatment option for ASD and that Secretin is still a valuable autism treatment. As to suspicion of sockpuppetry, the admins should look into that, although I don't believe they were helpful the last time around. Neurodivergent 16:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Erik Nanstiel, using at least two anonymous accounts ( 24.15.236.23 and 209.253.127.2), persists in removing a section of this page. While the disputed content is not directly relevant to the article, it is relevant in that it documents a pattern of anonymous editing by a person with personal ties to the Geiers.
Erik, neither I nor anyone else have attacked you personally here, but we have questioned your behavior. If you are going to contribute to Wikipedia (and why shouldn't you?), you should try to follow both the rules and the spirit of the thing.
I don't claim to be neutral regarding the Geiers, and clearly neither are you.
So the least that either of us can do is to at least identify ourselves so that readers and other editors can judge our contributions appropriately. I would argue that unless you are willing to log in, sign your comments, and stop hiding behind several different unnamed IP addresses, then you should refrain from editing. -- DaveSeidel 04:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
-Erik
This section was removed due to lack of citations. Add back once sources found?
On August 8, 2005, Dr. Frank DeStefano of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention wrote a letter to the Editor-In-Chief of the journal Medical Science Monitor regarding supposed similarities between Geier & Geier (2005) and the 2000 draft of the Verstraeten et al. study published in 2000. citation needed DeStefano, who is one of the co-authors of the study, stated that he had doubts that the Geiers actually performed the Phase II analyses because, to the best of his knowledge, the Geiers had not had access to the VSD data required to perform those analyses. citation needed Medical Science Monitor acknowledged receipt of the letter on August 17, 2005, citation needed but there is no evidence the editorial board of the journal considered the complaint credible.
Fences and windows ( talk) 02:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
This note is being done by Dr. Mark Geier. I have not made any changes to the article. Here are some documented facts that if you wish you may use to increase the accuracy of this articele: 1. In addition to my MD I hold a PHD in genetics 1973 from George Washington University. This fact has somehow been removed from the article. 2. I am board certified in genetics by the American Board of Medical Genetics and I am an Associate Founding Fellow of the American College of Clinical Genetics (FACMG). 3. I am board certified in epidemiology and I am a Fellow of the American College of Epidemiology (FACE). 4. In the section called "Limited access to Vaccine Safety Datalink records" further investigation revealed no wrong doing and I was again granted access to this database and in fact I have just recently published, along with an Professor of Public health from George Washington University and with my son David Geier, a paper on my studies from the database in the Journal of the Neurological Sciences, "Thimerosal exposure in infants and neurodevelopmental disorders: An assessment of computerized medical records in the Vaccine Safety Datalink." by Young HA, Geier DA, Geier MR. 5. I was a treating physician and I filed an expert report which included approximately 500 peer-reviewed references in the case of Poling V. HHS which was the first case in which the US Government conceded that vaccines caused autism in a child with an underlying mitochodrial disorder. If you wish to keep the article up to date and accurate, I will from time to time write you notes like this one. Mark R. Geier, MD, PHD, FACMG, FACE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.138.225.97 ( talk) 03:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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Thiomersal controversy. (The information in that article seems to be more encyclopedic, it contains less "tit-for-tat" than the present article.)--
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The "See Also" link has been moved inline on June 26. IMO, it's too important to be hidden there. Also, a more prominent link might prevent some people from wanting to add all this controversy information here again and agian.-- Biologos ( talk) 14:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I retrieved reference Burton, Dan (May, 2003). Mercury in Medicine: Taking Unnecessary Risks. Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness, Committee on Government Reform, United States House of Representatives. today and couldn't find the quote "However, the Committee upon a thorough review of the scientific literature and internal documents from government and industry did find evidence that thimerosal did pose a risk. [...] misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry." that's said to be taken from there. The quote should be deleted or the correct source should be found.-- Biologos ( talk) 08:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
You guys are a total joke. Now I ma not a medical doctor. This will come as a great suprise to my thousands of patients. I got my MD from George Washongton University in 1978 and i have been a licensed physician in Maryland and Virginia for decades, if anyone care.This piece is full of ducmented fa;sehoods but yuou guys apparently think it is a joke. Dr. Mark Geier, MD, PHD, FACMG, FACE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.55.235 ( talk) 19:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the MD. What happened to the following?????
In 1970, while at the
National Institutes of Health, Dr. Geier co-authored a paper published in
Nature reporting the first sucessful genetic engineering experiment in which bacteriophage Lambda which carried the galactose operon was used to correct the inability of cells in tissue culture from a patient with galactosemia to metabolise the milk sugar galactose. This work received world-wide aclaim in the scientific press and in the news media and resulted in a personal call of congratulation from then President Richard Nixon. In 1973 Dr. Geier was an author of another paper in the
New England Journal of Medicine which reported the spleen, which was thought to be mostly vestigual in humans, in fact played a critical role in immunity by maintaining intact antigen allowing for a more robust immune response which was especially important the vaccination process.
This article is supposed to be about me. These are some of the most important things i have ever done. They made headline press worldwide. They can easily be documented. How can you justify leaving them out???
Mark R Geier MD, PHD, FACMG, FACE —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
69.251.55.235 (
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22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Please change the following line: He is a fellow of the American College of Medical Genetics and the American College of Epidemiology. To he is board certified by the American Board of Medical Genetics and is a fellow of the American College of Epidemiology. Sorry for the error. I am actaully an Associate Founding Member of the American College of Medical Genetics and not an Associate Founding Fellow of the American College of Clinical Genetics a fellow. Sorry for the error. Dr. Mark Geier —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.49.35 ( talk) 20:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC) 4-24-09 I made the above change. Dr. Mark Geier —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.49.35 ( talk) 12:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
This information can be used here and maybe elsewhere:
These are all V & RS, so go for it. -- Brangifer ( talk) 01:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
The article lists Geier as "...a medical doctor with a Ph.D. in genetics" but provides no specific information as to his educational background. Does he have an M.D. or D.O. degree as well as a Ph.D in genetics? Where did he earn these degrees. Seems like it should be pretty easy to establish if he actually has medical training or not (my money's on not). Inoculatedcities ( talk) 21:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I have started a discussion here:
Brangifer ( talk) 19:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
So far, some of the edits of Geier (under one of his guises) have been removed. The latest has been deleted in the same manner we delete the edits of any sockpuppet. What shall we do with this one?:
Let's get input from other editors. Geier's own input is so tinged with COI that it can't stand alone. Brangifer ( talk) 02:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I have got news for you all, I am not Mark Geier. Once again, you make statements that are not true, but there seems to way to hold any of you accountable for deleting true information or for telling lies. You simply delete information you do not like, and you believe it is like it never happend (like deleting my previous comments in the discussion section page). You make comments in this discussion section using four letter words of accusation (i.e., "I mean, wtf?"). This is not appropriate, and you should be banned from editing on wikipedia forever. The edits I have made to this page were true statements. The deletions you have made to the Mark Geier page have made this page less true (a pattern that has persisted regarding this page for many years). It is a fact that Dr. Mark Geier is a Fellow of the American College of Medical Genetics. It is a fact that Dr. Mark Geier is licensed to practice medicine in the states of Maryland, Virginia, Washington, Indiana, Illinois, Texas, Hawaii, Kentucky, Florida, and Missouri. It is a fact that Dr. Mark Geier has co-authored 70 articles indexed on PubMed of the National Library of Medicine. It is a fact that Dr. Mark Geier is the president of the Genetic Centers of America, which has offices throughout the middle-atlantic region, and he is a founder and medical director of ASD Centers, LLC, which has offices across the United States. To withhold such information from this page is not appropriate. If there were any true editors reviewing this page from wikipedia, they would clearly stop your malicious and inappropriate editing practices. The Dr. Mark Geier wikipedia entry is not a web-blog for those who wish to attack him, but instead is supposed to reflect factually correct information. At present, the Dr. Mark Geier wikipedia entry does not reflect the truth, and is simply an avenue for you to persist in posting inaccurate information about Dr. Mark Geier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justice2day ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
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This is a search of the American Academy of Pediatrics web site that might indicate that the article claiming that the May 16 2003 "Study Fails to Show a Connection Between Thimerosal and Autism" perhaps has been withdrawn by that organization. If this is so, then the unnamed author of the critique or the publishing organization no longer fully supports what it was saying? Could the article have been renamed to use mercury in its title? Is this article cached elsewhere by a web site that advocates fascists interests? Oldspammer ( talk) 15:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
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Please fix the dead (404 error) reference linked as it remains unresolved. Oldspammer ( talk) 01:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
More content from a RS, documenting the antics of a Florida chiropractor in collusion with the Geiers:
-- Brangifer ( talk) 20:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Anyone seen a good secondary source with this information? Would also be good to add Geier's reaction and plans (appeal, etc). Right now the section is purely primary source based (pushing the limits of WP:BLPPRIMARY, I think), and probably goes into too much detail. Probably can pull the bullet list. Thoughts? Ravensfire ( talk) 00:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I am reviewing current information available on the web to see if any updates are in order. Onlydemi ( talk) 16:58, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
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I just noticed that the page does not refer to the fact that on June 26, 2019, the judgment of the Montgomery County Circuit Court awarding damages to Mark Geier was reversed by the Court of Special Appeals of Maryland. However, it would not be appropriate for me to add this information to the page, given that I have reported extensively on Mark and David Geier, and therefore have a conflict of interest with regard to their work. Here's how I would put it:
On June 26, 2019, the Court of Special Appeals of Maryland overturned the verdict, noting that, "[a]ll of the individual defendants who were sued under §1983 have absolute immunity under federal law because they performed adjudicative or prosecutorial functions and the applicable provisions of State law afforded adequate procedural safeguards to restrain unconstitutional conduct by agency officials... [R]equiring officials to risk multi-million-dollar lawsuits and to subject their motives to the appraisal of a factfinder would do more to undermine the public trust than to enhance it."
Primary reference: https://mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/cosa/2019/0338s18.pdf (PDF of decision). Secondary references: https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4633496/bd-of-physicians-v-geier (HTML transcript of decision), https://thedailyrecord.com/2019/06/27/geier-board-of-physicians-cosa (paywalled news report).
KathleenSeidel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:18, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Mark Geier's birthdate is May 3, 1948.
Primary reference: Maryland State Board of Physicians (April 27, 2011). Order for summary suspension of license to practice medicine. In the matter of Mark R. Geier, M.D., before the Maryland State Board of Physicians. Case Numbers: 2007-0083, 2008-0454 & 2009-0308. http://www.circare.org/autism/md/geier_20110427.pdf
As noted above, I have reported extensively on Mark and David Geier, have a conflict of interest with regard to their work, and would prefer not to edit the page myself. I will, however, add his birthdate and a sentence about the above-mentioned Maryland Court of Appeals judgment overturning the verdict against the BOP if no one else makes those edits before the end of the year.
KathleenSeidel ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)