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Maria Theresa's reign ended in 1765?
I noticed that Maria Theresa's end date as HRE Empress is October 1765, with her husband's death. However, didn't she co-rule with her son, Joseph, during this time, and therefore she reigned in the HRE until 1780, when she died and Joseph became sole HRE ruler?
Yourlocallordandsavior (
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21:32, 18 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I believe that she was, as a formality, only HRE empress because her husband was emperor, and not in her own right - it wasn’t hereditary and only a man could be elected. Strictly she was just a consort. So when her husband died, her son was elected emperor and she was technically merely the emperor’s mother. The co-ruler status, whether with her husband or son, was of the Austrian/Habsburg dominions, which is distinct from the HRE - and that, of course, is where her political authority actually lay. So, technically the end date as HRE empress is 1765, but her actual political status continued because she was co-ruler of the Habsburg lands.
DeCausa (
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21:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Someone keeps changing the long standing image of the article as opposed to a state portrait. I will make sure to change it back to the long standing and more well known one in case this keeps happening. Whoever is doing this needs to stop.
Dancingtudorqueen (
talk)
23:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Slow edit war on the infobox pic
@
Dancingtudorqueen:, @
Gryffindor: this seems to have been going on for a while. I don’t have much of a view either way although *I think* the painting by Meytens is the status quo. So consensus is required to change it. Would you both sort it out here please rather than through reverting and edit summaries?.
DeCausa (
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07:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)reply
It’s also the image most frequently used in her biographies and portrayals of her - Gryffindor is using a low quality image with a ridiculously long caption.
Dancingtudorqueen (
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02:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)reply
You cannot remove referenced information without proper cause
WP:REMOVAL. None of which you are giving so far. The image you keep on inserting has less importance than the full state portrait that is in the center of Schönbrunn Palace and which has referenced information on its status
WP:REFB. See also articles like
Louis XIV,
George III,
George IV, etc. which show full state portraits.
Gryffindor (
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10:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Gryffendor, the Meytens panting is the stable
WP:EDITCONSENSUS supported pic that has been there for years. Since August you have been attempting to replace it with the new pic via, to date, 10 reverts. Each of your reverts has been reverted by 5 different editors restoring the Meytens painting -you’re not following
WP:BRD and are edit-warring. Per
WP:ONUS you need consensus to change it to the image you want - but you don’t have it. Please stop edit warring and respond to the points made.
DeCausa (
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10:31, 28 December 2021 (UTC)reply
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Maria Theresa's reign ended in 1765?
I noticed that Maria Theresa's end date as HRE Empress is October 1765, with her husband's death. However, didn't she co-rule with her son, Joseph, during this time, and therefore she reigned in the HRE until 1780, when she died and Joseph became sole HRE ruler?
Yourlocallordandsavior (
talk)
21:32, 18 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I believe that she was, as a formality, only HRE empress because her husband was emperor, and not in her own right - it wasn’t hereditary and only a man could be elected. Strictly she was just a consort. So when her husband died, her son was elected emperor and she was technically merely the emperor’s mother. The co-ruler status, whether with her husband or son, was of the Austrian/Habsburg dominions, which is distinct from the HRE - and that, of course, is where her political authority actually lay. So, technically the end date as HRE empress is 1765, but her actual political status continued because she was co-ruler of the Habsburg lands.
DeCausa (
talk)
21:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Someone keeps changing the long standing image of the article as opposed to a state portrait. I will make sure to change it back to the long standing and more well known one in case this keeps happening. Whoever is doing this needs to stop.
Dancingtudorqueen (
talk)
23:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Slow edit war on the infobox pic
@
Dancingtudorqueen:, @
Gryffindor: this seems to have been going on for a while. I don’t have much of a view either way although *I think* the painting by Meytens is the status quo. So consensus is required to change it. Would you both sort it out here please rather than through reverting and edit summaries?.
DeCausa (
talk)
07:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)reply
It’s also the image most frequently used in her biographies and portrayals of her - Gryffindor is using a low quality image with a ridiculously long caption.
Dancingtudorqueen (
talk)
02:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)reply
You cannot remove referenced information without proper cause
WP:REMOVAL. None of which you are giving so far. The image you keep on inserting has less importance than the full state portrait that is in the center of Schönbrunn Palace and which has referenced information on its status
WP:REFB. See also articles like
Louis XIV,
George III,
George IV, etc. which show full state portraits.
Gryffindor (
talk)
10:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Gryffendor, the Meytens panting is the stable
WP:EDITCONSENSUS supported pic that has been there for years. Since August you have been attempting to replace it with the new pic via, to date, 10 reverts. Each of your reverts has been reverted by 5 different editors restoring the Meytens painting -you’re not following
WP:BRD and are edit-warring. Per
WP:ONUS you need consensus to change it to the image you want - but you don’t have it. Please stop edit warring and respond to the points made.
DeCausa (
talk)
10:31, 28 December 2021 (UTC)reply
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