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I am a reasonably intelligent person. I rarely mention this, but to document that I am not academically challenged, I'll mention that I graduated with honors from an Ivy League University. However I have no background in geology. This is not just "fairly technical." It is unreadable to those without technical background. I would like to get a good layman's understanding of the difference between Marcellus Shale energy and other gas production. I do not get a clue from reading his. Please tell it so use earth people can get it. Frog one ( talk) 13:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
This is fairly nearly FA, so I'm going to dispense with the usual GA review.
The language is often a bit technical. I can understand it fine, but if you want to go farther - and this isn't that far off from FA Firstly, the section on fossils is not particularly good. As a biologist, I'd like to see more. Some photographs of outcrops of the formation would be useful, but not required.
In short, simplify the language a little bit, and use palaeontological sources, not geological to discuss the palaeontology. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 21:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I live near Marcellus, NY, and so found this article very interesting. I am not a scientist of any sort, but I found it understandable. I'd be happy to take more pics if you knew of a particular location in Marcellus. However, while I know of many locations nearby where there are shale outcroppings (including on my family beach on Skaneateles Lake), and I pass Slate Hill Road in Marcellus often, I couldn't begin to look at a shale bank and tell if it were Marcellus shale or some other kind. The shale on our beach seems to be a lighter color...I'd characterize it as gray, not black. Plus, it has many fossils, while the article says there are few in the Marcellus shale. I do work with someone who sold rights to a natural gas exploration company for some test wells on his property....he could have an outcropping. Anyway, I wanted to see how interested you are in more pics before spending much time on this. What do you think? Lvklock ( talk) 11:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I see that you're aiming to promote this article to FA. Content wise, the article is pretty good, although the palaeontology side could be developed somewhat - I'm not left with any impression of the significance of the fossils contained; it reads as a list. What do they tell us about water depth, temperature and salinity, for example? The same holds true elsewhere to some degree; in places the article reads as a list of every fact that could be found about the Marcellus, without any discussion of why the fact is notable or relevant. However, the largest scope for improvement is in the style of the article. The text would benefit from a thorough copyedit: there is a lot of redundnacy, and a fair bit of bad grammar. As an example: as it's currently written, "A diverse eel-like conodont fauna" means "a conodont fauna which resembles a diverse eel" - not, I suspect, the author's intention. A peer review ought to highlight some of these issues, but a careful read through should also pick some out. Finally, I second the point made above; some references are very weak or on unrelated topics. A few moments with Google Scholar should enable you to find primary references (which may not even mention the Marcellus if they relate to environmental conditions in the early Devonian), rather than papers which make points in passing.
On the whole though, you seem to have done a great job of synthesising all available information. Good luck with your efforts to gain recognition for this! Martin ( Smith609 – Talk) 07:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The topic may soon receive a larger audience. Here's one indication:
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cite news}}
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help) I suggest splitting out the section on the Tioga Ash Beds (Tioga Bentonite) as a separate article. The ash beds extend laterally for much further than the extent of the Marcellus, and it would be useful to link to the article from discussions of other formations (like Columbus Limestone) or use of marker beds in general in stratigraphy. Jim Stuby ( talk) 03:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/us/towns-fighting-to-stand-ground-against-gas-drillers.html "As gas drilling spreads, towns stand ground over control" by Sabrina Tavernise NYT page A16, 15.December.2011 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 00:33, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
The Marcellus natural gas trend, as the, or one of the, largest and most controversial natural gas sources in the US, deserves its own article. It has great political, environmental, and economic importance, but is now buried in the middle of this long article. I propose that the Marcellus natural gas development be split off, leaving the geology here. What does everyone think? Plazak ( talk) 14:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
In the Stratigraphy section of the article and in the Generalized stratigraphy block, a mysterious black box obscures two apparent shale formations in the Northwestern New York System. This black box straddles the Northwestern New York System and the Western Pennsylvanian System (at the Mahantango Formation). Could this be intentional for stratigraphy purposes or just something on a copying machine perhaps? Bammon ( talk) 18:01, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
In the "Underlying" section, on the Geologic cross section of upper to middle Devonian strata, there are scrambled zeros apparently on the far left side. Additionally, the text for the color key appears leftmost on the far left in a scrambled format. Perhaps screen or carriage return formatting not enforced? Bammon ( talk) 20:46, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
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I am a reasonably intelligent person. I rarely mention this, but to document that I am not academically challenged, I'll mention that I graduated with honors from an Ivy League University. However I have no background in geology. This is not just "fairly technical." It is unreadable to those without technical background. I would like to get a good layman's understanding of the difference between Marcellus Shale energy and other gas production. I do not get a clue from reading his. Please tell it so use earth people can get it. Frog one ( talk) 13:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
This is fairly nearly FA, so I'm going to dispense with the usual GA review.
The language is often a bit technical. I can understand it fine, but if you want to go farther - and this isn't that far off from FA Firstly, the section on fossils is not particularly good. As a biologist, I'd like to see more. Some photographs of outcrops of the formation would be useful, but not required.
In short, simplify the language a little bit, and use palaeontological sources, not geological to discuss the palaeontology. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 21:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I live near Marcellus, NY, and so found this article very interesting. I am not a scientist of any sort, but I found it understandable. I'd be happy to take more pics if you knew of a particular location in Marcellus. However, while I know of many locations nearby where there are shale outcroppings (including on my family beach on Skaneateles Lake), and I pass Slate Hill Road in Marcellus often, I couldn't begin to look at a shale bank and tell if it were Marcellus shale or some other kind. The shale on our beach seems to be a lighter color...I'd characterize it as gray, not black. Plus, it has many fossils, while the article says there are few in the Marcellus shale. I do work with someone who sold rights to a natural gas exploration company for some test wells on his property....he could have an outcropping. Anyway, I wanted to see how interested you are in more pics before spending much time on this. What do you think? Lvklock ( talk) 11:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I see that you're aiming to promote this article to FA. Content wise, the article is pretty good, although the palaeontology side could be developed somewhat - I'm not left with any impression of the significance of the fossils contained; it reads as a list. What do they tell us about water depth, temperature and salinity, for example? The same holds true elsewhere to some degree; in places the article reads as a list of every fact that could be found about the Marcellus, without any discussion of why the fact is notable or relevant. However, the largest scope for improvement is in the style of the article. The text would benefit from a thorough copyedit: there is a lot of redundnacy, and a fair bit of bad grammar. As an example: as it's currently written, "A diverse eel-like conodont fauna" means "a conodont fauna which resembles a diverse eel" - not, I suspect, the author's intention. A peer review ought to highlight some of these issues, but a careful read through should also pick some out. Finally, I second the point made above; some references are very weak or on unrelated topics. A few moments with Google Scholar should enable you to find primary references (which may not even mention the Marcellus if they relate to environmental conditions in the early Devonian), rather than papers which make points in passing.
On the whole though, you seem to have done a great job of synthesising all available information. Good luck with your efforts to gain recognition for this! Martin ( Smith609 – Talk) 07:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The topic may soon receive a larger audience. Here's one indication:
{{
cite news}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help) I suggest splitting out the section on the Tioga Ash Beds (Tioga Bentonite) as a separate article. The ash beds extend laterally for much further than the extent of the Marcellus, and it would be useful to link to the article from discussions of other formations (like Columbus Limestone) or use of marker beds in general in stratigraphy. Jim Stuby ( talk) 03:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/us/towns-fighting-to-stand-ground-against-gas-drillers.html "As gas drilling spreads, towns stand ground over control" by Sabrina Tavernise NYT page A16, 15.December.2011 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 00:33, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
The Marcellus natural gas trend, as the, or one of the, largest and most controversial natural gas sources in the US, deserves its own article. It has great political, environmental, and economic importance, but is now buried in the middle of this long article. I propose that the Marcellus natural gas development be split off, leaving the geology here. What does everyone think? Plazak ( talk) 14:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
In the Stratigraphy section of the article and in the Generalized stratigraphy block, a mysterious black box obscures two apparent shale formations in the Northwestern New York System. This black box straddles the Northwestern New York System and the Western Pennsylvanian System (at the Mahantango Formation). Could this be intentional for stratigraphy purposes or just something on a copying machine perhaps? Bammon ( talk) 18:01, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
In the "Underlying" section, on the Geologic cross section of upper to middle Devonian strata, there are scrambled zeros apparently on the far left side. Additionally, the text for the color key appears leftmost on the far left in a scrambled format. Perhaps screen or carriage return formatting not enforced? Bammon ( talk) 20:46, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
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