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As per my understanding maratha clan sys was created because in future no girl will marry his brother. Or no boy will marry his sister. Our ancestors were very clever. Today western countries prove it by blood tests. A girls or boys blood group is same then they prove to be bros ans sister. So the cannot marry. If they marry each other then there r more chances that their child will be not physically good. Now we know why our ancestors made clan sys.
The vandalism in Maratha related articles are at its peak. I have recklesly fighting against it witout any help. I can't fight against all world alone. But certainly have created an example. I have realise that it's now time to fight against vandalism. I got banned. But i will certainy post good , basic, fundamentl information. Thanks who help, admire me.Excuse, for those i insulted in the war. No personal bad feelings. No enimy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.141.252 ( talk) 09:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Vishal sir, Could you please tell me about 'Jachak' surname? I know Jachak belongs to Gaikwad clan, but would be interested to know any history reference about Jachak.
Thanks in advance.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.19.8 ( talk) 19:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
The information in the Para - Nimbalkar This is an very ancient family from Maharashtra.The original surname was pavar. They shifted to Phaltan at year of 1270.This family is mainly located at Phaltan now.The award Naik was given by King of Bijapur in Mid of 17th Century(Before birth of Shivaji Maharaj). They had their separate princely state from 1270 to 1950.Chatrapati Shivaji maharaj was married with Maharani. Sai Bai Naik Nimbalkar. This family is landlord in District Satara. This family is highly influential in the politics of Maharashtra. Late. Shreemant Malojiraje Naik nimbalkar was an First Water Resource Cabinet minister in Maharashtra Government. Now a days Shreemant. Ramraje Pratapsinha Naik nimbalkar is an Cabinet Minister for Water Resource(Krishna Vally Development Corporation) in Maharashtra Government. Nimbalkar family mainly comes under "PanchKul" which is having higher preference than 96k.
- There is no historical proof for "The award Naik was given by King of Bijapur in Mid of 17th Century(Before birth of Shivaji Maharaj)" The Naik is Title Given by the very old System before muslim rule in India. This title is historical i.e. in the period of Satwahnas, the leaders of the regions are named by this title. This system was populer in Samrat Ashokas period. You can observe that the Naik is surname which is common in Orisa and South India.
The Title 'Raje' was from Bijapur ruler and has no better meaning than 'Naik'.
"This family is mainly located at Phaltan now"
This is perfect wrong statement - The Main family resides in Phaltan - Branches are spread over Indian region. When 300,000/- Hone revenue region is commanded by the family before "Raja Maharaj Shiv Chatrpati's" period so the area was from south of the Aurangabad to the Umarga and from Konkan to the Hingoli - no one can claim that there are no other Nimbalkars.
Sultanji Naik Nimbalkar - SarSenapati of Shahu I - Joined Nijam, played politics and secured all Nimbalkar's and Many others families Jagirs and helped Sahu's prime minister - Peshwas in number of ways to spread in north, South as wel as in east. In East - Nagpur region there are Nimbalkars settled in the period of Raghuji Bhosale and were instrumental in Maratha Empire.
Panchkul refers to 1.Parmar - Powar/Nimbalkars and Clan members 2.Parihar - Sisodiya - Bhosale/Ghorpade and Clan members 3.Chauhan - Chavan and Clan members 4.Rathod - Ghatge and clan members 5.Salanki - Solanke/salunkhe - Chalukya and clan members
This numbering is not strict so no one is superior to each other in fact I mean to say that ther should not be any grading in 96 clans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jai04082000 ( talk • contribs) 12:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
What is happening to the histroy section of this article-- Vishal1976 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.253.85 ( talk) 06:49, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Link:- http://www.wikirage.com/wiki/Maratha_clan_system/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.252.122 ( talk) 06:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This list is a total wrong and for finding a Maratha Name you must study all his relatives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.80.57.2 ( talk) 06:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.98.37.47 ( talk) 08:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Sumitra - He was the last king of Ayodhya from solar dynasty. In the fourth century BC, emperor Mahapadma Nanda of the Nanda Dynasty forced Sumitra to leave Ayodhya. He went to Rohtas with his sons. His son Kurma established his rule over Rohtas.
Rohtas or Rohtes 0r Rashtrakuta,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suryavanshi —Preceding
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It seems then most probable that, as already stated, the Marātha caste was of purely military origin, constituted from the various castes of Mahārāshtra who adopted military service, though some of the leading families may have had Rājpūts for their ancestors. Sir D. Ibbetson thought that a similar relation existed in past times between the Rājpūts and Jāts, the landed aristocracy of the Jāt caste being gradually admitted to Rājpūt rank. The Khandaits or swordsmen of Orissa are a caste formed in the same manner from military service. In the Imperial Gazetteer Sir H. Risley suggests that the Marātha people were of Scythian origin:
“The physical type of the people of this region accords fairly well with this theory, while the arguments derived from language and religion do not seem to conflict with it.... On this view the wide-ranging forays of the Marāthas, their guerilla methods of warfare, their unscrupulous dealings with friend and foe, their genius for intrigue and their consequent failure to build up an enduring dominion, might well be regarded as inherited from their Scythian ancestors.”
reference:- http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20668/20668-h/20668-h.htm#d0e6680 2. http://books.google.com/books?id=QA2OKK0-bdcC&pg=PR20&lpg=PR20&dq=maratha+Scythian&source=bl&ots=jKH-qxg8cn&sig=Tsr6plVddbMDn2X8guS7Z8vMAJw&hl=en&ei=i6PwSZuHGI_y6gPEwpi2Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 3. http://books.google.com/books?id=76c1VSYnPE0C&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=maratha+Scythian&source=bl&ots=vh0T1YB4WJ&sig=BV26hSvCx1MqsbwHI-jhdSW3cgc&hl=en&ei=i6PwSZuHGI_y6gPEwpi2Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4 4. http://books.google.com/books?id=oVkANw-rsksC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=maratha+Scythian&source=bl&ots=7jQB526Gj5&sig=i_b2ksJMilXkGc0jVODRj-NpyRs&hl=en&ei=i6PwSZuHGI_y6gPEwpi2Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7
Imperial Gazetteer Sir H. Risley suggests that the Marātha people were of Scythian origin sonu 08:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagarsinghdevre ( talk • contribs)
'New poster: The Scythians were the Gujars (eg. Bonsle Clan- yes they were)of course not us from coastal Maharashtra. I come from Karad from before Asoka's time we are not of Scythian origin but pure Maharashtrians indigenous to Maharashtra, get the facts correct, don't believe some English soldier of the British Raj. They mixed into our clans. We're not Scythians, who is typing all this shit over here and why did they remove the 96 clans from here!
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I am also Maratha from Jagtap clan. I have got my DNA testing done and as per result I carry r1a-z2123 y dna. This y dna is purely Scythian origin and scientist recovered this y dna subclads from skeleton found in Sintashta in Russia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.98.118 ( talk) 05:42, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
You are correct, R1a means the great Raghuvansi lineage that was later known as Gurjars (kushans, chap, pratihar, parmar, tanwars,chauhan and chalukyas The Real Rana ( talk) 10:59, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I got bored and plunked this into MSWord. Using Find/Replace I turned every [[Devak]] into Devak, removed every ''' bolding mark except the title of the article, etc. Just took a few minutes and really cleaned it up. This article is still, however, a bleeding train-wreck of unreferenced claims, biased edits, and unstandardised layout. There seem to be a lot of people interested in this article; why does nobody else help with keeping it cleaned up? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 16:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Pial,Jagtap & Dhumal are from same family.Their Origin is from Rajstan (Bharatpur).Origenal sirname was Tuvar.Is this historicaly true ? —Preceding
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Pisal,Jagtap & Dhumal are from same family.Their Origin is from Rajstan (Bharatpur).Origenal sirname was Tuvar.Is this historicaly true ? —Preceding
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See this discussion at WT:INB, where the issue of the POV and factual accuracy of this and related articles is being discussed. Abecedare ( talk) 06:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
hello I am a new poster here,
Where is the list of 96 clans why did you remove it, it was very accurate, irrespective of what others say, bunch of fools at wikipedia always here to remove stuff and listening to assholes.
The moment you post something here, dickheads are here to remove it, stupid site. If someone tells you to jump in an ocean too, you would do that too?
Everybody calls this site names and that's why don't use it anymore. Good bye.
Regarding articles of maratha history,there are lots of debacles from time to time and by evidences too.lets know that for wikipidian standard committee complete list is available on Book ' Marathas and deccani musalman ' and for others like Maratha People we have several books stating our ancestory with confused writing. Wikipidian Committee is also right and Maratha Peoples are also Right about this Article named Maratha Clan System. Now,i have a book in Marathi language,in which all the surnames of Maratha Community are compiled and i want to post that data on wikipidia.which contains 96 clans of Marathas Accurate Name. Some peoples are doing wrong work by Posting that Holkars are Maratha By Cast.Thats Not true because they are from Dhangar Cast.IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT HOLKARS ARE ORIGINALLY FROM VILLAGE HOL IN MAHARASHTRA.I PERSONALLY VISITED THIS PLACE SEVERAL TIME. About maratha surname there is "clan scattering concept" that concept made maratha clans surnames listing difficult due to its presence.e.g. Pawar(Parmar) is original clan and some members in the past from this clan deed several things like bravery or migrations etc. which made clans like Dalvi,Nimbalkar.But some sources have shown separately nimbalkar and dalvi as clan. Another e.g. about Bhosale - some sources in Marathi Showed that Bhosale Clan is Sub branch of Sisode Maratha clan.Also they states Ghorpade as a Sub branch of Bhosales. Like this several problems get created by past Marathi Historians.The reason behind marathas clan history articles deletion is made by this clan scattering concept. Regarding Change in devak,guru,and other info. - It is welknown that Marathas Have been migrated due to various reasons from history time.It made impact on their rituals.e.g.Some clans have done crimes or anything wrong in politics,so they have turned their rituals into other clans ritual without changing their original name or doing so.( Starrahul ( talk) 10:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC))
Despite the HTML comment at the top of the article, it is back to 45 kilobytes. -- John of Reading ( talk) 18:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Origin or Maratha is from Kunbi caste itself. The Great Shivaji Maharaja himself was a Kunbi by caste. So why so called Marathas are showing superiority here :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.102.139 ( talk) 03:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
please give a proper listing instead of giving surnames in 96 royal clans. Further remember 'marathas' in 17th and 18th century includes 96 royal clans and also all other also like brahmin ,ckp ,dhangar , kunbi , chitpavan and many more in political sense ; just like mughalas from Akbar's time includes mughals , rajputs, pathans and many more in political sense. So today maratha means 96 royal clans only because other castes like to be called themselves as of their like ckp or deshashast or other catses. Basically shivaji , his sons and grandson were liberal and braodminded , hence all other castes were entertained and as a result maratha could succed in defeating mughals which was not an ordinary task . But that does not mean shivaji was kunbi , he was a born royal and proved his mantle .
An anon has just tried again to insert what they believe to be the definitive list of kuls. It wasn't in English, which was enough in itself to revert, but the article also makes it clear that there are numerous variants of these lists. We long ago decided not to bother - please do not start it up again without first gaining consensus to do so. - Sitush ( talk) 13:36, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
As per the details on this article, it become necessary to shed some light on those five primary maratha clans which later divided into 9) subclans. The Real Rana ( talk) 11:02, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
someone is taking advantage of this open forum and vandalizing the list of historical clans which is not fair . please respect each other
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.59.53.20 ( talk) 07:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Correction With Evidence: Do not add unsourced content and do not keep edit warring like you did 1, 2, 3 and 4. Discuss your issues here. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 10:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
I have added details of 96 clans. All data is authentic.
You should welcome good inputs as it facilitates your purpose.
If not then it means you want text to be published at your will or the way you want to publish. In that case create your own page
This page is to facilitate self growing content. (read Wikipedia t&m). Do not discourage the contributors to put data.
If you feel there is any wrong input let me know. I can assure you that none of the information is unsourced through proper channel. Also check the references.
If you have problem with authenticity of information I confirm the data is accurate and useful
Content is useful for every surname of 96 clans. Go through the text you will find useful.
To reduce the text I have included 7 top clans now
All data is verified and authenticated. I have added references below Correction With Evidence ( talk) 18:59, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
the gentleman who is editor of this site dont know much about clans , pity — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.232.35 ( talk) 07:36, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
@
Jonathansammy: Regarding
this removal.
This source says something like "Together with the Marathas, the Maratha Kunbi belonged originally, says Enthoven, to the same caste; and both their exogamous kuls and exogamous devaks are identical with those of the Marathas. Enthoven opines that the totemic nature of their devak system suggests that they are largely of a non-Aryan origin. ... The Kunbi cultivators are also Marathas but of a somewhat inferior social standing. The Maratha claim to belong to the ancient 96 Kshatriya families has no foundation in fact and may have been adopted after the Marathas became with Shivaji a power to be reckoned with.
". Perhaps it the sentence can be reworded to "Thus, these clans have no ritual foundation." as you have put in the edit summary? -
Fylindfotberserk (
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Nevertheless, he had won power and so expected the Brahmins to confirm his new status by writing for him an adequate genealogy. This process recalls that of Sanskritisation , but sociologists refer to such emulation of Kshatriyas by Shudras as ' Kshatriyaisation ' and describe it as a variant of Sanskritisation[1] Thanks. LukeEmily ( talk) 22:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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His theory, which is based on scant historical evidence , doubtless echoed this episode in Maharashtra's history,whereas in fact Shivaji, a Maratha-Kunbi, was a Shudra. Nevertheless, he had won power and so expected the Brahmins to confirm his new status by writing for him an adequate genealogy. This process recalls that of Sanskritisation , but sociologists refer to such emulation of Kshatriyas by Shudras as ' Kshatriyaisation ' and describe it as a variant of Sanskritisation.
(page 97, 98) In the process of Brahminisation, other upper castes across the country, tried to imitate the Brahmins and followed similar norms in the matters of marriage, divorce or treatment of widows. In Maharashtra, for instance, the family norms among the Saraswats and CKPs were similar to those of the Brahmins. Marathas although politically powerful and economically well to do, were on the lower rung of the caste echelon. They had different ritual norms which were marginally lenient as compared to the Brahmins. In contrast, the women from the lower castes enjoyed a little more freedom in these matters. Widow remarriage was an accepted practice in many lower castes[Ranade,1991]...For the purpose of analysis, we have grouped these 56 castes into the following basic categories (1) Brahmin, Saraswat, and CKP (2) Maratha, and (3) other castes (page99) Table 8 reveals that women from the upper castes i.e. Brahmin, Saraswat, and CKP together form the largest group(46%) among the women admitted[in the Ashrams]...The data also reveals some significant differences in the marital status of Brahmin, CKP and Saraswat women on one hand and Maratha and other caste women on the other...These statistical differences acquire a special meaning when we look at them in the context of our earlier statement that oppression of widows and the restrictions on married women were far more severe for the women from Brahmin, CKP and Saraswat castes than for women from Maratha and other castes.
The upper castes, composed mainly of Brahmins, constitute 4% of the population. While Brahmins are found in all the districts of the state, the Saraswats and Prabhus, the two other literate castes of this category, are in significant number only in Mumbai city[]The Lingayats, the Gujjars and the Rajputs are three other important castes which belong to the intermediate category. The lingayats who hail from north Karnataka are found primarily in south Maharashtra and Marthwada while Gujjars and Rajputs who migrated centuries ago from north India have settled in north Maharashtra districts.
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As per my understanding maratha clan sys was created because in future no girl will marry his brother. Or no boy will marry his sister. Our ancestors were very clever. Today western countries prove it by blood tests. A girls or boys blood group is same then they prove to be bros ans sister. So the cannot marry. If they marry each other then there r more chances that their child will be not physically good. Now we know why our ancestors made clan sys.
The vandalism in Maratha related articles are at its peak. I have recklesly fighting against it witout any help. I can't fight against all world alone. But certainly have created an example. I have realise that it's now time to fight against vandalism. I got banned. But i will certainy post good , basic, fundamentl information. Thanks who help, admire me.Excuse, for those i insulted in the war. No personal bad feelings. No enimy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.141.252 ( talk) 09:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Vishal sir, Could you please tell me about 'Jachak' surname? I know Jachak belongs to Gaikwad clan, but would be interested to know any history reference about Jachak.
Thanks in advance.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.19.8 ( talk) 19:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
The information in the Para - Nimbalkar This is an very ancient family from Maharashtra.The original surname was pavar. They shifted to Phaltan at year of 1270.This family is mainly located at Phaltan now.The award Naik was given by King of Bijapur in Mid of 17th Century(Before birth of Shivaji Maharaj). They had their separate princely state from 1270 to 1950.Chatrapati Shivaji maharaj was married with Maharani. Sai Bai Naik Nimbalkar. This family is landlord in District Satara. This family is highly influential in the politics of Maharashtra. Late. Shreemant Malojiraje Naik nimbalkar was an First Water Resource Cabinet minister in Maharashtra Government. Now a days Shreemant. Ramraje Pratapsinha Naik nimbalkar is an Cabinet Minister for Water Resource(Krishna Vally Development Corporation) in Maharashtra Government. Nimbalkar family mainly comes under "PanchKul" which is having higher preference than 96k.
- There is no historical proof for "The award Naik was given by King of Bijapur in Mid of 17th Century(Before birth of Shivaji Maharaj)" The Naik is Title Given by the very old System before muslim rule in India. This title is historical i.e. in the period of Satwahnas, the leaders of the regions are named by this title. This system was populer in Samrat Ashokas period. You can observe that the Naik is surname which is common in Orisa and South India.
The Title 'Raje' was from Bijapur ruler and has no better meaning than 'Naik'.
"This family is mainly located at Phaltan now"
This is perfect wrong statement - The Main family resides in Phaltan - Branches are spread over Indian region. When 300,000/- Hone revenue region is commanded by the family before "Raja Maharaj Shiv Chatrpati's" period so the area was from south of the Aurangabad to the Umarga and from Konkan to the Hingoli - no one can claim that there are no other Nimbalkars.
Sultanji Naik Nimbalkar - SarSenapati of Shahu I - Joined Nijam, played politics and secured all Nimbalkar's and Many others families Jagirs and helped Sahu's prime minister - Peshwas in number of ways to spread in north, South as wel as in east. In East - Nagpur region there are Nimbalkars settled in the period of Raghuji Bhosale and were instrumental in Maratha Empire.
Panchkul refers to 1.Parmar - Powar/Nimbalkars and Clan members 2.Parihar - Sisodiya - Bhosale/Ghorpade and Clan members 3.Chauhan - Chavan and Clan members 4.Rathod - Ghatge and clan members 5.Salanki - Solanke/salunkhe - Chalukya and clan members
This numbering is not strict so no one is superior to each other in fact I mean to say that ther should not be any grading in 96 clans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jai04082000 ( talk • contribs) 12:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
What is happening to the histroy section of this article-- Vishal1976 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.253.85 ( talk) 06:49, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Link:- http://www.wikirage.com/wiki/Maratha_clan_system/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.252.122 ( talk) 06:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This list is a total wrong and for finding a Maratha Name you must study all his relatives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.80.57.2 ( talk) 06:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.98.37.47 ( talk) 08:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Sumitra - He was the last king of Ayodhya from solar dynasty. In the fourth century BC, emperor Mahapadma Nanda of the Nanda Dynasty forced Sumitra to leave Ayodhya. He went to Rohtas with his sons. His son Kurma established his rule over Rohtas.
Rohtas or Rohtes 0r Rashtrakuta,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suryavanshi —Preceding
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It seems then most probable that, as already stated, the Marātha caste was of purely military origin, constituted from the various castes of Mahārāshtra who adopted military service, though some of the leading families may have had Rājpūts for their ancestors. Sir D. Ibbetson thought that a similar relation existed in past times between the Rājpūts and Jāts, the landed aristocracy of the Jāt caste being gradually admitted to Rājpūt rank. The Khandaits or swordsmen of Orissa are a caste formed in the same manner from military service. In the Imperial Gazetteer Sir H. Risley suggests that the Marātha people were of Scythian origin:
“The physical type of the people of this region accords fairly well with this theory, while the arguments derived from language and religion do not seem to conflict with it.... On this view the wide-ranging forays of the Marāthas, their guerilla methods of warfare, their unscrupulous dealings with friend and foe, their genius for intrigue and their consequent failure to build up an enduring dominion, might well be regarded as inherited from their Scythian ancestors.”
reference:- http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20668/20668-h/20668-h.htm#d0e6680 2. http://books.google.com/books?id=QA2OKK0-bdcC&pg=PR20&lpg=PR20&dq=maratha+Scythian&source=bl&ots=jKH-qxg8cn&sig=Tsr6plVddbMDn2X8guS7Z8vMAJw&hl=en&ei=i6PwSZuHGI_y6gPEwpi2Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 3. http://books.google.com/books?id=76c1VSYnPE0C&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=maratha+Scythian&source=bl&ots=vh0T1YB4WJ&sig=BV26hSvCx1MqsbwHI-jhdSW3cgc&hl=en&ei=i6PwSZuHGI_y6gPEwpi2Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4 4. http://books.google.com/books?id=oVkANw-rsksC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=maratha+Scythian&source=bl&ots=7jQB526Gj5&sig=i_b2ksJMilXkGc0jVODRj-NpyRs&hl=en&ei=i6PwSZuHGI_y6gPEwpi2Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7
Imperial Gazetteer Sir H. Risley suggests that the Marātha people were of Scythian origin sonu 08:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagarsinghdevre ( talk • contribs)
'New poster: The Scythians were the Gujars (eg. Bonsle Clan- yes they were)of course not us from coastal Maharashtra. I come from Karad from before Asoka's time we are not of Scythian origin but pure Maharashtrians indigenous to Maharashtra, get the facts correct, don't believe some English soldier of the British Raj. They mixed into our clans. We're not Scythians, who is typing all this shit over here and why did they remove the 96 clans from here!
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I am also Maratha from Jagtap clan. I have got my DNA testing done and as per result I carry r1a-z2123 y dna. This y dna is purely Scythian origin and scientist recovered this y dna subclads from skeleton found in Sintashta in Russia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.98.118 ( talk) 05:42, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
You are correct, R1a means the great Raghuvansi lineage that was later known as Gurjars (kushans, chap, pratihar, parmar, tanwars,chauhan and chalukyas The Real Rana ( talk) 10:59, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I got bored and plunked this into MSWord. Using Find/Replace I turned every [[Devak]] into Devak, removed every ''' bolding mark except the title of the article, etc. Just took a few minutes and really cleaned it up. This article is still, however, a bleeding train-wreck of unreferenced claims, biased edits, and unstandardised layout. There seem to be a lot of people interested in this article; why does nobody else help with keeping it cleaned up? MatthewVanitas ( talk) 16:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Pial,Jagtap & Dhumal are from same family.Their Origin is from Rajstan (Bharatpur).Origenal sirname was Tuvar.Is this historicaly true ? —Preceding
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Pisal,Jagtap & Dhumal are from same family.Their Origin is from Rajstan (Bharatpur).Origenal sirname was Tuvar.Is this historicaly true ? —Preceding
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220.224.124.254 (
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See this discussion at WT:INB, where the issue of the POV and factual accuracy of this and related articles is being discussed. Abecedare ( talk) 06:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
hello I am a new poster here,
Where is the list of 96 clans why did you remove it, it was very accurate, irrespective of what others say, bunch of fools at wikipedia always here to remove stuff and listening to assholes.
The moment you post something here, dickheads are here to remove it, stupid site. If someone tells you to jump in an ocean too, you would do that too?
Everybody calls this site names and that's why don't use it anymore. Good bye.
Regarding articles of maratha history,there are lots of debacles from time to time and by evidences too.lets know that for wikipidian standard committee complete list is available on Book ' Marathas and deccani musalman ' and for others like Maratha People we have several books stating our ancestory with confused writing. Wikipidian Committee is also right and Maratha Peoples are also Right about this Article named Maratha Clan System. Now,i have a book in Marathi language,in which all the surnames of Maratha Community are compiled and i want to post that data on wikipidia.which contains 96 clans of Marathas Accurate Name. Some peoples are doing wrong work by Posting that Holkars are Maratha By Cast.Thats Not true because they are from Dhangar Cast.IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT HOLKARS ARE ORIGINALLY FROM VILLAGE HOL IN MAHARASHTRA.I PERSONALLY VISITED THIS PLACE SEVERAL TIME. About maratha surname there is "clan scattering concept" that concept made maratha clans surnames listing difficult due to its presence.e.g. Pawar(Parmar) is original clan and some members in the past from this clan deed several things like bravery or migrations etc. which made clans like Dalvi,Nimbalkar.But some sources have shown separately nimbalkar and dalvi as clan. Another e.g. about Bhosale - some sources in Marathi Showed that Bhosale Clan is Sub branch of Sisode Maratha clan.Also they states Ghorpade as a Sub branch of Bhosales. Like this several problems get created by past Marathi Historians.The reason behind marathas clan history articles deletion is made by this clan scattering concept. Regarding Change in devak,guru,and other info. - It is welknown that Marathas Have been migrated due to various reasons from history time.It made impact on their rituals.e.g.Some clans have done crimes or anything wrong in politics,so they have turned their rituals into other clans ritual without changing their original name or doing so.( Starrahul ( talk) 10:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC))
Despite the HTML comment at the top of the article, it is back to 45 kilobytes. -- John of Reading ( talk) 18:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Origin or Maratha is from Kunbi caste itself. The Great Shivaji Maharaja himself was a Kunbi by caste. So why so called Marathas are showing superiority here :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.102.139 ( talk) 03:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
please give a proper listing instead of giving surnames in 96 royal clans. Further remember 'marathas' in 17th and 18th century includes 96 royal clans and also all other also like brahmin ,ckp ,dhangar , kunbi , chitpavan and many more in political sense ; just like mughalas from Akbar's time includes mughals , rajputs, pathans and many more in political sense. So today maratha means 96 royal clans only because other castes like to be called themselves as of their like ckp or deshashast or other catses. Basically shivaji , his sons and grandson were liberal and braodminded , hence all other castes were entertained and as a result maratha could succed in defeating mughals which was not an ordinary task . But that does not mean shivaji was kunbi , he was a born royal and proved his mantle .
An anon has just tried again to insert what they believe to be the definitive list of kuls. It wasn't in English, which was enough in itself to revert, but the article also makes it clear that there are numerous variants of these lists. We long ago decided not to bother - please do not start it up again without first gaining consensus to do so. - Sitush ( talk) 13:36, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
As per the details on this article, it become necessary to shed some light on those five primary maratha clans which later divided into 9) subclans. The Real Rana ( talk) 11:02, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
someone is taking advantage of this open forum and vandalizing the list of historical clans which is not fair . please respect each other
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.59.53.20 ( talk) 07:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Correction With Evidence: Do not add unsourced content and do not keep edit warring like you did 1, 2, 3 and 4. Discuss your issues here. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 10:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
I have added details of 96 clans. All data is authentic.
You should welcome good inputs as it facilitates your purpose.
If not then it means you want text to be published at your will or the way you want to publish. In that case create your own page
This page is to facilitate self growing content. (read Wikipedia t&m). Do not discourage the contributors to put data.
If you feel there is any wrong input let me know. I can assure you that none of the information is unsourced through proper channel. Also check the references.
If you have problem with authenticity of information I confirm the data is accurate and useful
Content is useful for every surname of 96 clans. Go through the text you will find useful.
To reduce the text I have included 7 top clans now
All data is verified and authenticated. I have added references below Correction With Evidence ( talk) 18:59, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
the gentleman who is editor of this site dont know much about clans , pity — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.232.35 ( talk) 07:36, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
@
Jonathansammy: Regarding
this removal.
This source says something like "Together with the Marathas, the Maratha Kunbi belonged originally, says Enthoven, to the same caste; and both their exogamous kuls and exogamous devaks are identical with those of the Marathas. Enthoven opines that the totemic nature of their devak system suggests that they are largely of a non-Aryan origin. ... The Kunbi cultivators are also Marathas but of a somewhat inferior social standing. The Maratha claim to belong to the ancient 96 Kshatriya families has no foundation in fact and may have been adopted after the Marathas became with Shivaji a power to be reckoned with.
". Perhaps it the sentence can be reworded to "Thus, these clans have no ritual foundation." as you have put in the edit summary? -
Fylindfotberserk (
talk) 19:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Nevertheless, he had won power and so expected the Brahmins to confirm his new status by writing for him an adequate genealogy. This process recalls that of Sanskritisation , but sociologists refer to such emulation of Kshatriyas by Shudras as ' Kshatriyaisation ' and describe it as a variant of Sanskritisation[1] Thanks. LukeEmily ( talk) 22:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
References
His theory, which is based on scant historical evidence , doubtless echoed this episode in Maharashtra's history,whereas in fact Shivaji, a Maratha-Kunbi, was a Shudra. Nevertheless, he had won power and so expected the Brahmins to confirm his new status by writing for him an adequate genealogy. This process recalls that of Sanskritisation , but sociologists refer to such emulation of Kshatriyas by Shudras as ' Kshatriyaisation ' and describe it as a variant of Sanskritisation.
(page 97, 98) In the process of Brahminisation, other upper castes across the country, tried to imitate the Brahmins and followed similar norms in the matters of marriage, divorce or treatment of widows. In Maharashtra, for instance, the family norms among the Saraswats and CKPs were similar to those of the Brahmins. Marathas although politically powerful and economically well to do, were on the lower rung of the caste echelon. They had different ritual norms which were marginally lenient as compared to the Brahmins. In contrast, the women from the lower castes enjoyed a little more freedom in these matters. Widow remarriage was an accepted practice in many lower castes[Ranade,1991]...For the purpose of analysis, we have grouped these 56 castes into the following basic categories (1) Brahmin, Saraswat, and CKP (2) Maratha, and (3) other castes (page99) Table 8 reveals that women from the upper castes i.e. Brahmin, Saraswat, and CKP together form the largest group(46%) among the women admitted[in the Ashrams]...The data also reveals some significant differences in the marital status of Brahmin, CKP and Saraswat women on one hand and Maratha and other caste women on the other...These statistical differences acquire a special meaning when we look at them in the context of our earlier statement that oppression of widows and the restrictions on married women were far more severe for the women from Brahmin, CKP and Saraswat castes than for women from Maratha and other castes.
The upper castes, composed mainly of Brahmins, constitute 4% of the population. While Brahmins are found in all the districts of the state, the Saraswats and Prabhus, the two other literate castes of this category, are in significant number only in Mumbai city[]The Lingayats, the Gujjars and the Rajputs are three other important castes which belong to the intermediate category. The lingayats who hail from north Karnataka are found primarily in south Maharashtra and Marthwada while Gujjars and Rajputs who migrated centuries ago from north India have settled in north Maharashtra districts.