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Pol Pot was not Maoist, let alone an "extreme Maoist". The Khmer Rouge ideologically sided against Maoism and against the Chinese Left. Maybe the KR wore Mao-type hats and borrowed various slogans, but that is about it. Unless you think Maoism is about clothing styles, please stop vandalizing this article with this uninformed view. Only sub-idiots think the KR were Maoists.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.194.83.55 ( talk • contribs) 21:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Since when is CP India (Maoist) in a part of RIM's hold on SE Asia? The article was misleading. CP India (Maoist) is not part of the RIM. Update info about Nepal too.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.194.83.146 ( talk • contribs) 00:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I took out the claim that RCP is the largest Maoist Party. This is pure point of view. RCP does not publish its membership numbers either do other parties. In addition, there is no basis for calling FRSO a movement of importance and not other similar groups. FRSO's webpage is hardly active compared to other groups claiming to be Maoist. If RCPers or FRSOers want to make these claims, they should back them up with verifiable proof. There are any number of similar groups, they are all tiny, including these two.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.194.83.234 ( talk • contribs) 00:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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I propose merging Marxism–Leninism–Maoism into Maoism.
Everything Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and more is covered in Maoism ( WP:Overlap).
Maoism states in its introduction that "This ideology is often referred to as Marxism–Leninism–Maoism to distinguish it from the original ideas of Mao." But little info is provided on what the distinguishing details are.
Marxism–Leninism– Maoism states in its introduction that "Its proponents refer to Marxism–Leninism–Maoism as Maoism and Maoism as Mao Zedong Thought (MZT) or Marxism–Leninism–Mao Zedong Thought." Which just adds to the lack of clarity.
The only thing which Marxism–Leninism–Maoism doesn't cover is "Differences from Mao Zedong Thought", which is only 138 words long. I think it should be included in Maoism as a subsection and noted that them being distinct is a minority viewpoint ( WP:Minority Opinions).
I think that Marxism-Leninism-Mao Tse-tung Thought redirecting to Maoism is a little detail that argues in favor of this merge.
I've only ever seen the distinction between Maoism and Marxism–Leninism–Maoism made by:
*Fans of Abimael Guzmán and the Shining Path
*Fans of Mao who dislike the current Chinese Communist Party
Either way, the idea that these two things are distinct is again a minority opinion. FropFrop ( talk) 16:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
“ | What is Maoism? Is it the same as the thought of Mao Tse-tung? The expression "Maoism", as Karl Wittfogel suggests, was first coined in the Western world. In the West, the cliche "Maoism" is widely current, whereas, in Chinese publications, expressions like "Mao tse-tungism" and "thought of Mao" are used. There are many writers who have refrained from describing Mao's theories as "Maoism". Instead, they call them Mao Tse-tung ssubsiang. They do not add the suffix -ism (chu-i) to Mao's name... | ” |
@ SociusMono1976 Do you have anything that is more recent? I'll check out that book in any case, I hope that it details their differences.
I've found the following:
From: "Au, W. W. S. (2016). Reclaiming communist philosophy: marx, lenin, mao, and the dialectics of nature. Information Age Publishing." Page xxv: "Maoism represents a continuation and leap in Marxism-Leninism"[ 42]
Page xxxii: "[ 42] See the RIM document, Long Live Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, http://bannedthought.net/International/RIM/AWTW/1995-20/ll_mlm_20_eng.htm"
In the RIM document (RIM being a "...the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement (RIM), a formation that proclaims Marxism-Leninism-Maoism as its guiding ideology) (1995): "But Maoism is not just the sum total of Mao's great contributions. It is the comprehensive and all-round development of Marxism-Leninism to a new and higher stage. Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is an integral whole; it is the ideology of the proletariat synthesized and developed to new stages, from Marxism to Marxism-Leninism to Marxism-Leninism-Maoism..."
This one uses MLM mostly but will use 'maoism' occasionally without differentiating between the terms. It's written by a party spokesperson.
Page 107: "There is not even a single socialist state in the world. Genuine revolutionaries have upheld Maoism as higher stage of Marxism-Leninism. New wave of revolution appears in the horizon. Now, Marxism- Leninism-Maoism is there as an ideological foundation for the creation of a new Communist International."
From the Communist Party of India (Maoist) which is banned in India: “ Hold High the Bright Red Banner of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism”, by the Central Committee (P) of the CPI(Maoist), Sept. 21, 2004.
They describe mao zedong thought, maosim and MLM as the same thing.
Page 39: "The CPC led by Com. Mao made historic and comprehensive analysis of the development of Mao Thought (now Maoism), through its 9th Congress, held in 1969. It summed up Mao Tse-tung Thought as a completely new and higher stage of Marxism-Leninism. Thus Mao Tse-tung Thought, whose historic significance began to be recognized by the Marxist Leninist forces worldwide ever since The Great Debate, became established as a qualitatively higher stage in the development of the proletarian ideology by the time of the 9th Congress of the CPC. Maoism is not just the sum total of Mao’s great contributions. It is the most comprehensive and all-round development of the science of Marxism-Leninism that had taken shape in the period of the tremendous changes and great upheavals that had occurred in the world since the time of Com. Lenin, namely, the emergence of the Socialist camp following WW II; the upsurge of the national liberation struggles throughout the world leading to a new phase of neo-colonial control and exploitation; and the restoration of capitalism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe with the usurpation of power by the modern revisionist Khrushchov clique. Marxism- Leninism-Maoism is an integrated whole. Maoism is Marxism Leninism of the present-day. To negate Maoism is to negate Marxism Leninism itself."
FropFrop ( talk) 17:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
The following is the last paragraph under the 'International Influence' section:
"Another effort at regrouping the international communist movement is the International Conference of Marxist–Leninist Parties and Organisations (ICMLPO). Three notable parties participating in the ICMLPO are the Marxist–Leninist Party of Germany (MLPD), the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP), and Marxist–Leninist Communist Organization – Proletarian Way. The ICMLPO seeks to unify around Marxism–Leninism, not Maoism. However, some parties and organisations within the ICMLPO identify as Mao Zedong Thought or Maoist."
I think this should be removed as it is not within the article's scope and it is unreferenced. I'm putting this here for discussion first as I wouldn't be surprised if folks disagree. FropFrop ( talk) 03:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
I know that Maoism is somewhat of a more common name, but Mao Zedong Thought is the actual, correct term for the ideology, Maoism is somewhat of an incorrect term, as parties supporting "Maoism" properly use the term Mao Zedong Thought. 342rfawrfarefarwf ( talk) 17:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
I know that Maoism is somewhat of a more common name, but
somewhat of an incorrect term
parties supporting "Maoism" properly use the term Mao Zedong Thoughtisn't true. Maosim, Mao Zedong's Thought, and Marxism-Leninism-Maoism are often used interchangeably by adherents of the ideology/ideologies.
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Pol Pot was not Maoist, let alone an "extreme Maoist". The Khmer Rouge ideologically sided against Maoism and against the Chinese Left. Maybe the KR wore Mao-type hats and borrowed various slogans, but that is about it. Unless you think Maoism is about clothing styles, please stop vandalizing this article with this uninformed view. Only sub-idiots think the KR were Maoists.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.194.83.55 ( talk • contribs) 21:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Since when is CP India (Maoist) in a part of RIM's hold on SE Asia? The article was misleading. CP India (Maoist) is not part of the RIM. Update info about Nepal too.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.194.83.146 ( talk • contribs) 00:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I took out the claim that RCP is the largest Maoist Party. This is pure point of view. RCP does not publish its membership numbers either do other parties. In addition, there is no basis for calling FRSO a movement of importance and not other similar groups. FRSO's webpage is hardly active compared to other groups claiming to be Maoist. If RCPers or FRSOers want to make these claims, they should back them up with verifiable proof. There are any number of similar groups, they are all tiny, including these two.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.194.83.234 ( talk • contribs) 00:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 30 August 2022 and 23 December 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Tjohns35 (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Tjohns35 ( talk) 18:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
I propose merging Marxism–Leninism–Maoism into Maoism.
Everything Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and more is covered in Maoism ( WP:Overlap).
Maoism states in its introduction that "This ideology is often referred to as Marxism–Leninism–Maoism to distinguish it from the original ideas of Mao." But little info is provided on what the distinguishing details are.
Marxism–Leninism– Maoism states in its introduction that "Its proponents refer to Marxism–Leninism–Maoism as Maoism and Maoism as Mao Zedong Thought (MZT) or Marxism–Leninism–Mao Zedong Thought." Which just adds to the lack of clarity.
The only thing which Marxism–Leninism–Maoism doesn't cover is "Differences from Mao Zedong Thought", which is only 138 words long. I think it should be included in Maoism as a subsection and noted that them being distinct is a minority viewpoint ( WP:Minority Opinions).
I think that Marxism-Leninism-Mao Tse-tung Thought redirecting to Maoism is a little detail that argues in favor of this merge.
I've only ever seen the distinction between Maoism and Marxism–Leninism–Maoism made by:
*Fans of Abimael Guzmán and the Shining Path
*Fans of Mao who dislike the current Chinese Communist Party
Either way, the idea that these two things are distinct is again a minority opinion. FropFrop ( talk) 16:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
“ | What is Maoism? Is it the same as the thought of Mao Tse-tung? The expression "Maoism", as Karl Wittfogel suggests, was first coined in the Western world. In the West, the cliche "Maoism" is widely current, whereas, in Chinese publications, expressions like "Mao tse-tungism" and "thought of Mao" are used. There are many writers who have refrained from describing Mao's theories as "Maoism". Instead, they call them Mao Tse-tung ssubsiang. They do not add the suffix -ism (chu-i) to Mao's name... | ” |
@ SociusMono1976 Do you have anything that is more recent? I'll check out that book in any case, I hope that it details their differences.
I've found the following:
From: "Au, W. W. S. (2016). Reclaiming communist philosophy: marx, lenin, mao, and the dialectics of nature. Information Age Publishing." Page xxv: "Maoism represents a continuation and leap in Marxism-Leninism"[ 42]
Page xxxii: "[ 42] See the RIM document, Long Live Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, http://bannedthought.net/International/RIM/AWTW/1995-20/ll_mlm_20_eng.htm"
In the RIM document (RIM being a "...the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement (RIM), a formation that proclaims Marxism-Leninism-Maoism as its guiding ideology) (1995): "But Maoism is not just the sum total of Mao's great contributions. It is the comprehensive and all-round development of Marxism-Leninism to a new and higher stage. Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is an integral whole; it is the ideology of the proletariat synthesized and developed to new stages, from Marxism to Marxism-Leninism to Marxism-Leninism-Maoism..."
This one uses MLM mostly but will use 'maoism' occasionally without differentiating between the terms. It's written by a party spokesperson.
Page 107: "There is not even a single socialist state in the world. Genuine revolutionaries have upheld Maoism as higher stage of Marxism-Leninism. New wave of revolution appears in the horizon. Now, Marxism- Leninism-Maoism is there as an ideological foundation for the creation of a new Communist International."
From the Communist Party of India (Maoist) which is banned in India: “ Hold High the Bright Red Banner of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism”, by the Central Committee (P) of the CPI(Maoist), Sept. 21, 2004.
They describe mao zedong thought, maosim and MLM as the same thing.
Page 39: "The CPC led by Com. Mao made historic and comprehensive analysis of the development of Mao Thought (now Maoism), through its 9th Congress, held in 1969. It summed up Mao Tse-tung Thought as a completely new and higher stage of Marxism-Leninism. Thus Mao Tse-tung Thought, whose historic significance began to be recognized by the Marxist Leninist forces worldwide ever since The Great Debate, became established as a qualitatively higher stage in the development of the proletarian ideology by the time of the 9th Congress of the CPC. Maoism is not just the sum total of Mao’s great contributions. It is the most comprehensive and all-round development of the science of Marxism-Leninism that had taken shape in the period of the tremendous changes and great upheavals that had occurred in the world since the time of Com. Lenin, namely, the emergence of the Socialist camp following WW II; the upsurge of the national liberation struggles throughout the world leading to a new phase of neo-colonial control and exploitation; and the restoration of capitalism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe with the usurpation of power by the modern revisionist Khrushchov clique. Marxism- Leninism-Maoism is an integrated whole. Maoism is Marxism Leninism of the present-day. To negate Maoism is to negate Marxism Leninism itself."
FropFrop ( talk) 17:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
The following is the last paragraph under the 'International Influence' section:
"Another effort at regrouping the international communist movement is the International Conference of Marxist–Leninist Parties and Organisations (ICMLPO). Three notable parties participating in the ICMLPO are the Marxist–Leninist Party of Germany (MLPD), the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP), and Marxist–Leninist Communist Organization – Proletarian Way. The ICMLPO seeks to unify around Marxism–Leninism, not Maoism. However, some parties and organisations within the ICMLPO identify as Mao Zedong Thought or Maoist."
I think this should be removed as it is not within the article's scope and it is unreferenced. I'm putting this here for discussion first as I wouldn't be surprised if folks disagree. FropFrop ( talk) 03:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
I know that Maoism is somewhat of a more common name, but Mao Zedong Thought is the actual, correct term for the ideology, Maoism is somewhat of an incorrect term, as parties supporting "Maoism" properly use the term Mao Zedong Thought. 342rfawrfarefarwf ( talk) 17:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
I know that Maoism is somewhat of a more common name, but
somewhat of an incorrect term
parties supporting "Maoism" properly use the term Mao Zedong Thoughtisn't true. Maosim, Mao Zedong's Thought, and Marxism-Leninism-Maoism are often used interchangeably by adherents of the ideology/ideologies.