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Why is Ginobilli appearing in the article of [1]?, and here on his page profile there is nothing about his american citizenship. Frank
Somebody (probably a Suns fan) edited this Ginobili page and has totally slandered him. Not just in the first paragraph but also throughout the whole article. There's a mention of him in there as having an "autisim title" and winning a "gay award". There's nothing funny about that. It also says his older brother is Leandro Barbosa. This is not true. I would watch this article closely at least during the playoffs. Suns fans are getting upset and taking it out on Wikipedia! Chris F. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.153.194 ( talk) 22:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Manu Ginobili's Wikipedia site states that the 2004 Olympic team was the first non-American team to win the gold medal in 16 years. Wikipedia defines American as "a person or attribute of the Americas." Last I checked--and according to this definition--Argentina is just as American as the good old U-S-of-A. Americans that live within the fifty United States do not have exclusive rights to the term "American." To call Argentines non-American is the same as calling Nigerians "non-African." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.21.95.222 ( talk • contribs)
what is his salary right now? How about in previous years? Funkyj 19:23, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)
If you're wondering about salaries, this website might be able to help you. [ [2]]
Dknights411 02:59, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
Because of a non-called foul at the very end of the match, that would have given ARG 2 shots to win the game. - Mariano 11:06, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)
This page needs us to keep an eye on it. Someone keeps trying to make it a fan page. Antonio's Got It by Basketballrama Martin
IIRC it's Ginobili, no accent. elpincha 17:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
"""Manu's native language is Spanish, so people around him may have been spelling it Ginóbili most of his life."""
Actually, no, that's not true, because half of the Argentines surnames are Italian and we know how to spell them, maybe that happen with the German surnames that are many in Argentina too but not as many as the Italian, Though the German most of the times are spelled correctly too.
Trelew Girl |3rd August 2006 (UTC)
Why is the accent back in the page? Here's Ginobili's name as it appears on his jersey: [5]. Why should it be different for his English wikipedia page?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winky the tinkler ( talk • contribs)
But why does he wear a uniform without the accent? Perhaps because he could care less about the accent? Then why should wikipedia care? -winky —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winky the tinkle ( talk • contribs)
"In capital letters accents are not compulsive" i did not know that... that's a perfectly good explanation, thanks mariano. -winky —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winky the tinkler ( talk • contribs)
Actually, it doesn't matter if he's lastname is Italian or not, the question is 'how is it written in his birth act'. Lastnames are known for being Spanized at Argentine inmigrtions; my grant father got his mutated as well. -- Mariano( t/ c) 15:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
There have been many attempts in the past to add something about Ginobili's "flopping" to this page. While they have been removed as commentary and against our neutral point of view policy, I think the accusations are common enough that we have to make some kind of neutral point of view attempt to add it to the page. My suggestion is as follows, to be added directly after the sentence about critics such as George Karl:
Please note, I am a huge San Antonio Spurs and Manu Ginobili fan, but I feel the article is somewhat incomplete without something to this effect. Any comments or suggestions about how to make such a sentence better? E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 00:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- But if he played in matches then he would have dived, yes?
Ginobili is a flopper. Didn't david stern (intentionally lowercase) single him and vlade divac out when they instituted the anti flopping rules in 2014. Perhaps if we could link to that, as well as players calling him out as a flopper, then we could insert a section into the bio about his flopping. First thing i think about when i think ginobili is flopping, as do most basketball fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mae Phelps ( talk • contribs) 09:02, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
okay the long awaited nomination has taken place (page largely modelled after team mates Tony Parker, Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen!). please refrain from pushing POV in the article, or adding frivolous details, thank you! but of course, there's no stopping of good edits to the article. for the reviewer: if you put the article on hold and i'm not responding to your queries expeditiously enough, i would be grateful if you would leave a message on my talkpage, thanks. Chensiyuan 07:04, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
please note that there are two footnotes with the same title name "at a glance", but they are not the same references. one refers to the 2004 playoffs and the other 2005 thanks. Chensiyuan 13:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
You did an excellent job responding to my GA on hold concerns below. The article looks great. I am going to pass it now.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
This article is off to a great start. If it is reworked it will probably have success improving along the quality scale. Lets start with the lead. Ginobili has enough content to have a 3 paragraph
WP:LEAD. Either use the uncited lead (with all necessary details properly cited in the main body) or use at least one citation per paragraph. Make sure everything in the lead is in the main body with at least as much detail or more in the main body. Done see new version.
In Family and personal life
Professional Career
Player Profile
Argentine team
In Jersey #s
I will check back within a week or after you notify me it is ready. -- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Who is Marie Orono? i've searched other sites and i never came across this Marie Orono. What's your source?
Silencedangel 05:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC) manu fan
I was able to find out about the name ORONO and manu was really married to one with this name but i saw the names Marie and Marienela. Never saw Many though. Manu was really married?? why did i just see this now in wikipedia? i have been checking on him since last year in wikipedia and i just see this name now. Why is that? :D
124.106.182.47 06:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC) friendly neighbor
Uhmm... i'm really confused... i saw NBA.com and they say its Many Orono but i checked other sites, they say Marie. What is it really?
210.213.193.154 11:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)luvidavi
The vandal who adds "Ginobili is a flopper" has used all these IPs: 122.3.11.211: talk 119.94.0.238: talk 96.247.37.46: talk 119.94.12.16: talk 119.94.3.120: talk 119.94.0.250: talk 122.144.118.160: talk 58.69.106.184: talk
Editor437 ( talk) 14:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Is Emanuel David Ginóbili really better known as Manu? He was always called Emanuel before going to NBA where he was nicknamed Manu, like many other non-American players with 'long' and 'strange' names, uncommon to native viewers and fans. I suggest the first sentence being re-written. 88.222.53.221 ( talk) 10:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Alex K.
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards,-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 23:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Obi Wan Ginobili redirects here, but there is no mention of that name in the article. SkyDot ( talk) 03:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I am not a sports sort of person; however, I saw a story this morning that is worth mention.
I saw the bat swat batsketball video a few times, I cannot see the connect; however, ostensibly, it is there.
Someone should add it.
Thank You,
hopiakuta Please d o sign your communiqué . ~~ Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 15:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
It says in the 'Player Profile' section that Ginobili is a late bloomer because he didn't enter the NBA until aged 25 - which is incorrect. He's became a professional basketball player before age 20, which is not a 'late bloomer' by any stretch of the imagination. Not playing in the NBA until 25 does not mean late bloomer. Just because one league is rated higher than another doesn't mean that somebody's time spent in a 'lesser' league simply didn't happen. This suggests that he didn't start playing professional basketball until coming to the NBA, which is, of course, wholly untrue. ericxpenner ( talk) 23:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
He is mentioned as cultural refence in Neal Stephenson's book "Reamde" (2011). Not sure how to add this 86.134.37.247 ( talk) 00:55, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
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talk)
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The result of the move request was: no move. -- tariqabjotu 01:54, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Manu Ginóbili → Manu Ginobili – Oh, so many reasons... First, Ngrams shows only the unaccented version is in use through 2008; second, reliable sources like his local newspaper and official NBA roster card and ESPN and any other reliable English-language source that you can shake a stick at--even his own Facebook page and twitter have it accent-less; third, from a logical perspective, his surname is actually not Spanish, it's Italian. Reliable sources are what we live on, and most English-language reliable sources omit the accent. Wikipedia, awkwardly, is alone in including it among sites in English. Let's change that. Red Slash 01:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Context matters The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made and is an appropriate source for that content.
Hi people! He isn't more a free agent. The new contract is for only year. This is his official twitter advice (in spanish) "Contento de anunciar que seguiré siendo un Spur un tiempo más! #gospursgo #la20aunnosecuelga.".
His twitter is https://twitter.com/manuginobili (official and verified). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.250.17.24 ( talk) 21:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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Is this a real award? It was added to the article as part of these recent edits, but I've never seen any indication that this award is formally awarded at the Olympics. Maybe the team itself gives an MVP award...? I don't know what Javier Gancedo is talking about here. Zagalejo ^^^ 16:22, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
"The organization of the basketball tournament of the Olympic Games has appointed MVP to Manu Ginobili , Argentina's guard, who won the gold medal by beating Italy 84-69 in the final ... In the women's tournament the MVP was for the American Lisa Leslia, being also voted their compatriots Tina Thompson and Sheryl Swoopes, as well as the Australian Lauren Jackson, the Nigerian Mfon Udoka, the Russian Maria Stepanova and the Spanish Núria Martínez." spanish source:
http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=19757
"2004: Manu was the star of the Olympics Games in Athens 2004 where Argentina got the Gold Medal: He was leader of the team and won the tournament MVP" english source I:
http://www.thebasketballworld.com/top_players/manu_ginobili.htm
"...as well as changing the world basketball map forever when he led Argentina to win the gold medal at the 2004 Athens Olympic Games as MVP of that tournament, too." english source II:
http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/1410/euroleague-net-interview-manu-ginobili Mtin76 ( talk) 22:46, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
La organización del torneo de baloncesto de los Juegos Olímpicos ha nombrado MVP a Manu Ginóbili [The organization of the basketball tournament of the Olympic Games has appointed Manu Ginóbili MVP] ..."Presumably it means FIBA issued the award, but it wasn't specific. The same article also says Lisa Leslie was named MVP for women's, but I was unable to verify that. At best, this was a one-time award, which I don't think merits being in the lead.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:30, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
There is no MVP award for Olympics, never has been, and Olympics officially states no personal awards exist. This is a huge myth that started somehow. Bluesangrel ( talk) 19:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
The IPA pronunciation for English that we currently give in this article, /ˈmænuː dʒɪˈnoʊbli/, is not well supported. The cited source, nba.com's "International NBA Players - Pronunciation Guide", is relevant, but unfortunately not easy to use because its pronunciations are not in IPA, or even in a consistent alternative transcription system, and there is no key. What the source actually says is "MAN-u gi-NOB-blee". It is far from clear that "NOB" here corresponds to /ˈnoʊb/ as opposed to /ˈnɑb/ (with the American English "lot" vowel)—compare the "rod" and "MON" in "Vladimir Radmanovic VLAD-a-meer rod-MON-o-vich". It seems like it would be ideal to get an alternative source for the pronunciation; I don't see how an IPA transcription can be justified on the basis of the current ambiguous source.-- Urszag ( talk) 18:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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Why is Ginobilli appearing in the article of [1]?, and here on his page profile there is nothing about his american citizenship. Frank
Somebody (probably a Suns fan) edited this Ginobili page and has totally slandered him. Not just in the first paragraph but also throughout the whole article. There's a mention of him in there as having an "autisim title" and winning a "gay award". There's nothing funny about that. It also says his older brother is Leandro Barbosa. This is not true. I would watch this article closely at least during the playoffs. Suns fans are getting upset and taking it out on Wikipedia! Chris F. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.24.153.194 ( talk) 22:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Manu Ginobili's Wikipedia site states that the 2004 Olympic team was the first non-American team to win the gold medal in 16 years. Wikipedia defines American as "a person or attribute of the Americas." Last I checked--and according to this definition--Argentina is just as American as the good old U-S-of-A. Americans that live within the fifty United States do not have exclusive rights to the term "American." To call Argentines non-American is the same as calling Nigerians "non-African." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.21.95.222 ( talk • contribs)
what is his salary right now? How about in previous years? Funkyj 19:23, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)
If you're wondering about salaries, this website might be able to help you. [ [2]]
Dknights411 02:59, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
Because of a non-called foul at the very end of the match, that would have given ARG 2 shots to win the game. - Mariano 11:06, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)
This page needs us to keep an eye on it. Someone keeps trying to make it a fan page. Antonio's Got It by Basketballrama Martin
IIRC it's Ginobili, no accent. elpincha 17:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
"""Manu's native language is Spanish, so people around him may have been spelling it Ginóbili most of his life."""
Actually, no, that's not true, because half of the Argentines surnames are Italian and we know how to spell them, maybe that happen with the German surnames that are many in Argentina too but not as many as the Italian, Though the German most of the times are spelled correctly too.
Trelew Girl |3rd August 2006 (UTC)
Why is the accent back in the page? Here's Ginobili's name as it appears on his jersey: [5]. Why should it be different for his English wikipedia page?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winky the tinkler ( talk • contribs)
But why does he wear a uniform without the accent? Perhaps because he could care less about the accent? Then why should wikipedia care? -winky —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winky the tinkle ( talk • contribs)
"In capital letters accents are not compulsive" i did not know that... that's a perfectly good explanation, thanks mariano. -winky —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winky the tinkler ( talk • contribs)
Actually, it doesn't matter if he's lastname is Italian or not, the question is 'how is it written in his birth act'. Lastnames are known for being Spanized at Argentine inmigrtions; my grant father got his mutated as well. -- Mariano( t/ c) 15:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
There have been many attempts in the past to add something about Ginobili's "flopping" to this page. While they have been removed as commentary and against our neutral point of view policy, I think the accusations are common enough that we have to make some kind of neutral point of view attempt to add it to the page. My suggestion is as follows, to be added directly after the sentence about critics such as George Karl:
Please note, I am a huge San Antonio Spurs and Manu Ginobili fan, but I feel the article is somewhat incomplete without something to this effect. Any comments or suggestions about how to make such a sentence better? E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 00:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- But if he played in matches then he would have dived, yes?
Ginobili is a flopper. Didn't david stern (intentionally lowercase) single him and vlade divac out when they instituted the anti flopping rules in 2014. Perhaps if we could link to that, as well as players calling him out as a flopper, then we could insert a section into the bio about his flopping. First thing i think about when i think ginobili is flopping, as do most basketball fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mae Phelps ( talk • contribs) 09:02, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
okay the long awaited nomination has taken place (page largely modelled after team mates Tony Parker, Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen!). please refrain from pushing POV in the article, or adding frivolous details, thank you! but of course, there's no stopping of good edits to the article. for the reviewer: if you put the article on hold and i'm not responding to your queries expeditiously enough, i would be grateful if you would leave a message on my talkpage, thanks. Chensiyuan 07:04, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
please note that there are two footnotes with the same title name "at a glance", but they are not the same references. one refers to the 2004 playoffs and the other 2005 thanks. Chensiyuan 13:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
You did an excellent job responding to my GA on hold concerns below. The article looks great. I am going to pass it now.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
This article is off to a great start. If it is reworked it will probably have success improving along the quality scale. Lets start with the lead. Ginobili has enough content to have a 3 paragraph
WP:LEAD. Either use the uncited lead (with all necessary details properly cited in the main body) or use at least one citation per paragraph. Make sure everything in the lead is in the main body with at least as much detail or more in the main body. Done see new version.
In Family and personal life
Professional Career
Player Profile
Argentine team
In Jersey #s
I will check back within a week or after you notify me it is ready. -- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Who is Marie Orono? i've searched other sites and i never came across this Marie Orono. What's your source?
Silencedangel 05:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC) manu fan
I was able to find out about the name ORONO and manu was really married to one with this name but i saw the names Marie and Marienela. Never saw Many though. Manu was really married?? why did i just see this now in wikipedia? i have been checking on him since last year in wikipedia and i just see this name now. Why is that? :D
124.106.182.47 06:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC) friendly neighbor
Uhmm... i'm really confused... i saw NBA.com and they say its Many Orono but i checked other sites, they say Marie. What is it really?
210.213.193.154 11:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)luvidavi
The vandal who adds "Ginobili is a flopper" has used all these IPs: 122.3.11.211: talk 119.94.0.238: talk 96.247.37.46: talk 119.94.12.16: talk 119.94.3.120: talk 119.94.0.250: talk 122.144.118.160: talk 58.69.106.184: talk
Editor437 ( talk) 14:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Is Emanuel David Ginóbili really better known as Manu? He was always called Emanuel before going to NBA where he was nicknamed Manu, like many other non-American players with 'long' and 'strange' names, uncommon to native viewers and fans. I suggest the first sentence being re-written. 88.222.53.221 ( talk) 10:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Alex K.
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Obi Wan Ginobili redirects here, but there is no mention of that name in the article. SkyDot ( talk) 03:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I am not a sports sort of person; however, I saw a story this morning that is worth mention.
I saw the bat swat batsketball video a few times, I cannot see the connect; however, ostensibly, it is there.
Someone should add it.
Thank You,
hopiakuta Please d o sign your communiqué . ~~ Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 15:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
It says in the 'Player Profile' section that Ginobili is a late bloomer because he didn't enter the NBA until aged 25 - which is incorrect. He's became a professional basketball player before age 20, which is not a 'late bloomer' by any stretch of the imagination. Not playing in the NBA until 25 does not mean late bloomer. Just because one league is rated higher than another doesn't mean that somebody's time spent in a 'lesser' league simply didn't happen. This suggests that he didn't start playing professional basketball until coming to the NBA, which is, of course, wholly untrue. ericxpenner ( talk) 23:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
He is mentioned as cultural refence in Neal Stephenson's book "Reamde" (2011). Not sure how to add this 86.134.37.247 ( talk) 00:55, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
--
Steffaville (
talk)
14:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no move. -- tariqabjotu 01:54, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Manu Ginóbili → Manu Ginobili – Oh, so many reasons... First, Ngrams shows only the unaccented version is in use through 2008; second, reliable sources like his local newspaper and official NBA roster card and ESPN and any other reliable English-language source that you can shake a stick at--even his own Facebook page and twitter have it accent-less; third, from a logical perspective, his surname is actually not Spanish, it's Italian. Reliable sources are what we live on, and most English-language reliable sources omit the accent. Wikipedia, awkwardly, is alone in including it among sites in English. Let's change that. Red Slash 01:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Context matters The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made and is an appropriate source for that content.
Hi people! He isn't more a free agent. The new contract is for only year. This is his official twitter advice (in spanish) "Contento de anunciar que seguiré siendo un Spur un tiempo más! #gospursgo #la20aunnosecuelga.".
His twitter is https://twitter.com/manuginobili (official and verified). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.250.17.24 ( talk) 21:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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Is this a real award? It was added to the article as part of these recent edits, but I've never seen any indication that this award is formally awarded at the Olympics. Maybe the team itself gives an MVP award...? I don't know what Javier Gancedo is talking about here. Zagalejo ^^^ 16:22, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
"The organization of the basketball tournament of the Olympic Games has appointed MVP to Manu Ginobili , Argentina's guard, who won the gold medal by beating Italy 84-69 in the final ... In the women's tournament the MVP was for the American Lisa Leslia, being also voted their compatriots Tina Thompson and Sheryl Swoopes, as well as the Australian Lauren Jackson, the Nigerian Mfon Udoka, the Russian Maria Stepanova and the Spanish Núria Martínez." spanish source:
http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=19757
"2004: Manu was the star of the Olympics Games in Athens 2004 where Argentina got the Gold Medal: He was leader of the team and won the tournament MVP" english source I:
http://www.thebasketballworld.com/top_players/manu_ginobili.htm
"...as well as changing the world basketball map forever when he led Argentina to win the gold medal at the 2004 Athens Olympic Games as MVP of that tournament, too." english source II:
http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/1410/euroleague-net-interview-manu-ginobili Mtin76 ( talk) 22:46, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
La organización del torneo de baloncesto de los Juegos Olímpicos ha nombrado MVP a Manu Ginóbili [The organization of the basketball tournament of the Olympic Games has appointed Manu Ginóbili MVP] ..."Presumably it means FIBA issued the award, but it wasn't specific. The same article also says Lisa Leslie was named MVP for women's, but I was unable to verify that. At best, this was a one-time award, which I don't think merits being in the lead.— Bagumba ( talk) 09:30, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
There is no MVP award for Olympics, never has been, and Olympics officially states no personal awards exist. This is a huge myth that started somehow. Bluesangrel ( talk) 19:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
The IPA pronunciation for English that we currently give in this article, /ˈmænuː dʒɪˈnoʊbli/, is not well supported. The cited source, nba.com's "International NBA Players - Pronunciation Guide", is relevant, but unfortunately not easy to use because its pronunciations are not in IPA, or even in a consistent alternative transcription system, and there is no key. What the source actually says is "MAN-u gi-NOB-blee". It is far from clear that "NOB" here corresponds to /ˈnoʊb/ as opposed to /ˈnɑb/ (with the American English "lot" vowel)—compare the "rod" and "MON" in "Vladimir Radmanovic VLAD-a-meer rod-MON-o-vich". It seems like it would be ideal to get an alternative source for the pronunciation; I don't see how an IPA transcription can be justified on the basis of the current ambiguous source.-- Urszag ( talk) 18:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)