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Assuredly, some authors have indeed claimed that the Armenians origin was in the Mannaeans, as a quick web search will reveal; whether or not those authors are credible, remains to be seen, but per wiki policy of neutrality, there is no reason not to at least mention that some authors do claim this.
Personally, I don't see why it is out of the question; since the Mannaeans ceased to exist as a polity at roughly the same time as the Armenians first begin to show up as a rapidly growing minority population within the remnants of Urartu. Codex Sinaiticus 14:49, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm still looking for more sites mentioning a connection with Armenia when I get a chance. Codex Sinaiticus 14:43, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Now I admit this info from 1902 is a little out of date; the article goes on to associate Armenia with Meshech and Tubal, more often connected with Georgia; furthermore, in the reference it gives above to Ezekiel 27:14, the term actually used is "Beth-Togarmah" but for some reason this name is not mentioned in the article. But it does go to show that the puported relation between "Minni" "Mannai" and "Armenia" was made 100+ years ago, so therefore I believe it could be mentioned as a theory, with proper attributation. Regards Codex Sinaiticus 15:25, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi i tried to link this page with the one from the german wiki but it doesn't work. So i give u the link 2 the german article. Perhaps u know how 2 do it. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann%C3%A4er -- 134.147.73.37 11:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
The page was just semi protected because of an anon. I thought he was edit warring to make some point, but looking through the history, I was reminded that we had a similar problem in early June '05, that also caused the page to be protected, and in that case it was assumed to be Rovoam, who was going around taking every article back to the last edit before Tabib, out of animosity.
This time around, I see the very first two edits by the anon were clearly vandalism, because they both went back to way old versions that were so old, that some or all interwikis were lost. Then after that, he settled on rewinding to a version that is a little more recent, making me think it might be just a content dispute. But now that I see all the earlier edits, there doesn't seem to be any reason for it. The June '05 vandal at least admitted he was trying to undo Tabib, but this time, it just didn't make any sense. ፈቃደ ( ውይይት) 17:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I changed the Greater Iran template to the Iran template, because the Mannaeans had nothing to do with Greater Iran. Azerbaijani 03:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I moved this statement : "The original ethnic and linguistic affinities of the populace are uncertain. They are sometimes considered to have been of non- Indo-European origin; however some historians see close similarities between Mannaeans and Indo-Iranian groups such as Scythians. The Mannaeans may also have been a branch of Hurrians (Khurrites), who were not linguistically Indo-European." to the talkpage. Since the Iranica article by R. Zadok gives us a symbosis. -- alidoostzadeh ( talk) 15:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I removed the paragraph with Bible references, because all the references were either dead links, no page numbers, or referred to an Aegean group. Twofistedcoffeedrinker ( talk) 02:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Britannica online pretends that the Mannaeans and urartu where subdued in about 609 BC by the Median king Cyaxares:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/147792/Cyaxares — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.233.218.32 ( talk) 16:13, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
For some deeper insights into the Mannaens from the Assyrians' perspective, and how battles did not occur without divine consultations during biblical times, see the cuneiform references in Starr, I (1990) Letters to the Sungod; Divination an Politics in Sargonid Assyria, Helsinki University Press (State Archives of Assyria IV). pp 29, 32, 34, 36, 38, 48,51, 55, 56, 58, 68-69, 75, 155, 244-246, Furthering thought ( talk) 20:28, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
I found several sources and books that claim that Minni may have referred to the Armenians, so I don't care what you have claimed, as long as you can proved otherwise, I will add a subsequent section relating to the topic, because Minni refers to the Mannaeans. I dare you to find ONE source that claims that Minni referes to the modern day Azeris. If you do, add that too. -- Vitilsky ( talk) 20:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Might I add:
The pottery found at some of the sites in what arguably can be located in what was nominally Mannea include so-called Late Buff ware and Ziwiye Ware. The main sites which can arguably be attributed to Mannae include Bard-e Konta, Qalaichi, Rabat tappeh, Ziwiye, Changbar (Y. Hassanzadeh, Die Mannäer und die Urartäer in Nordwestiran, in: Helwing, B. et al. (ed.), Iran frühe Kulturen zwischen Wasser und Wüste, 2017, Munich, Hirmer, 177‒85. These same wares occur in Hasanlu III in the Iron III period, which date largely in the 8th and 7th centuries BC (Stephan Kroll, Hasanlu period III ‒ annotations and corrections, Iranica Antiqua 48, 2013, 175‒93). Assyrianising glazed bricks are a main feature of Rabat and Qalaichi. Azd0815 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azd0815 ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Mannaea was located wholly in modern Iran. It was not located in Turkey, Azerbaijan, or Iraq.
Mannaea's population is widely accepted as being Hurrian, Kassite, and Iranian-speaking. There is no evidence of Turkic-speaking peoples in this region until nearly two millennia later.
There is also no reason to link Mannaea with the previous Gutians, etc.
Skeptical1800 ( talk) 03:40, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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Assuredly, some authors have indeed claimed that the Armenians origin was in the Mannaeans, as a quick web search will reveal; whether or not those authors are credible, remains to be seen, but per wiki policy of neutrality, there is no reason not to at least mention that some authors do claim this.
Personally, I don't see why it is out of the question; since the Mannaeans ceased to exist as a polity at roughly the same time as the Armenians first begin to show up as a rapidly growing minority population within the remnants of Urartu. Codex Sinaiticus 14:49, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm still looking for more sites mentioning a connection with Armenia when I get a chance. Codex Sinaiticus 14:43, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Now I admit this info from 1902 is a little out of date; the article goes on to associate Armenia with Meshech and Tubal, more often connected with Georgia; furthermore, in the reference it gives above to Ezekiel 27:14, the term actually used is "Beth-Togarmah" but for some reason this name is not mentioned in the article. But it does go to show that the puported relation between "Minni" "Mannai" and "Armenia" was made 100+ years ago, so therefore I believe it could be mentioned as a theory, with proper attributation. Regards Codex Sinaiticus 15:25, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi i tried to link this page with the one from the german wiki but it doesn't work. So i give u the link 2 the german article. Perhaps u know how 2 do it. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann%C3%A4er -- 134.147.73.37 11:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
The page was just semi protected because of an anon. I thought he was edit warring to make some point, but looking through the history, I was reminded that we had a similar problem in early June '05, that also caused the page to be protected, and in that case it was assumed to be Rovoam, who was going around taking every article back to the last edit before Tabib, out of animosity.
This time around, I see the very first two edits by the anon were clearly vandalism, because they both went back to way old versions that were so old, that some or all interwikis were lost. Then after that, he settled on rewinding to a version that is a little more recent, making me think it might be just a content dispute. But now that I see all the earlier edits, there doesn't seem to be any reason for it. The June '05 vandal at least admitted he was trying to undo Tabib, but this time, it just didn't make any sense. ፈቃደ ( ውይይት) 17:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I changed the Greater Iran template to the Iran template, because the Mannaeans had nothing to do with Greater Iran. Azerbaijani 03:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I moved this statement : "The original ethnic and linguistic affinities of the populace are uncertain. They are sometimes considered to have been of non- Indo-European origin; however some historians see close similarities between Mannaeans and Indo-Iranian groups such as Scythians. The Mannaeans may also have been a branch of Hurrians (Khurrites), who were not linguistically Indo-European." to the talkpage. Since the Iranica article by R. Zadok gives us a symbosis. -- alidoostzadeh ( talk) 15:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I removed the paragraph with Bible references, because all the references were either dead links, no page numbers, or referred to an Aegean group. Twofistedcoffeedrinker ( talk) 02:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Britannica online pretends that the Mannaeans and urartu where subdued in about 609 BC by the Median king Cyaxares:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/147792/Cyaxares — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.233.218.32 ( talk) 16:13, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
For some deeper insights into the Mannaens from the Assyrians' perspective, and how battles did not occur without divine consultations during biblical times, see the cuneiform references in Starr, I (1990) Letters to the Sungod; Divination an Politics in Sargonid Assyria, Helsinki University Press (State Archives of Assyria IV). pp 29, 32, 34, 36, 38, 48,51, 55, 56, 58, 68-69, 75, 155, 244-246, Furthering thought ( talk) 20:28, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
I found several sources and books that claim that Minni may have referred to the Armenians, so I don't care what you have claimed, as long as you can proved otherwise, I will add a subsequent section relating to the topic, because Minni refers to the Mannaeans. I dare you to find ONE source that claims that Minni referes to the modern day Azeris. If you do, add that too. -- Vitilsky ( talk) 20:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Might I add:
The pottery found at some of the sites in what arguably can be located in what was nominally Mannea include so-called Late Buff ware and Ziwiye Ware. The main sites which can arguably be attributed to Mannae include Bard-e Konta, Qalaichi, Rabat tappeh, Ziwiye, Changbar (Y. Hassanzadeh, Die Mannäer und die Urartäer in Nordwestiran, in: Helwing, B. et al. (ed.), Iran frühe Kulturen zwischen Wasser und Wüste, 2017, Munich, Hirmer, 177‒85. These same wares occur in Hasanlu III in the Iron III period, which date largely in the 8th and 7th centuries BC (Stephan Kroll, Hasanlu period III ‒ annotations and corrections, Iranica Antiqua 48, 2013, 175‒93). Assyrianising glazed bricks are a main feature of Rabat and Qalaichi. Azd0815 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azd0815 ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Mannaea was located wholly in modern Iran. It was not located in Turkey, Azerbaijan, or Iraq.
Mannaea's population is widely accepted as being Hurrian, Kassite, and Iranian-speaking. There is no evidence of Turkic-speaking peoples in this region until nearly two millennia later.
There is also no reason to link Mannaea with the previous Gutians, etc.
Skeptical1800 ( talk) 03:40, 9 March 2021 (UTC)