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Palaverist 15:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Seems like this should be merged. Mattnt 14:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
They definitely should be merged and my preference is for Manhattanhenge to be the surviving name since the solistice is not the date the event occurs. Americasroof 14:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
The intro to this article is somewhat confusing because 'east-west streets' would imply an equinotial alignment, not solstitial. In fact it's neither since the 'east-west' grid is not due east-west. It would be better, I feel, to omit all references to cardinal points unless actual bearings are given. Just my 2¢ Akhen3sir ( talk) 11:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
under the picture it says that the sun set to the right of the center on July 13, 2006, while it set on the center line on July 12. This must be wrong, on July 13, the sun always sets more left than on July 12! -- androl ( talk) 22:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Beyond My Ken reverted my Manhattanhenge_map.svg image twice, claiming it a mess.
Although the text already describes the phenomenon, I think readers who are less familiar with NYC geography, or think more visually (as I do) will benefit from an image which illustrates the directions of sunrise and sunset of both Manhattanhenge and throughout the year.
I agree that my first image was unnecessarily large and thus made it a much smaller thumbnail which I believe does not negatively affect the article.
Could you please suggest changes to the image (other than to remove it) that would make it less messy, as you put it?
Why do you think it a mess? Is it because the background bitmap is too dark, making the text unreadable?
Would it also be better if I called it a "satellite view" instead of a "map"?
Thanks, cmɢʟee☺ τaʟκ 12:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I am not a graphics artist. I did this in microsoft paint, it took all of two minutes, and it obviously doesn't meet any quality standard at all (other than, say, "bad quality" or "atrocious quality"). But I think a properly done version like this - showing manhatten as a whole, then zooming in to show the street grid pattern, then how the sun can line up - would be clear: Egg Centric 16:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
@ Beyond My Ken: Yes, I'm prejudiced against cultural references, especially when no sources are cited. And citing the pop culture item itself is a form of original research. The cover art for The Chemistry of Common Life shows the sun setting between some buildings, and the article claims it's an example of Manhattanhenge. Says who? That photo could have been taken between any number of buildings at any number of angles on any number of days. Which is the whole point of the the xkcd reference that motivated me to remove all this garbage in the first place (xkcd only explicitly mentions "Manhattan thing" with no secondary source to connect "Manhattan thing" to "Manhattanhenge"). Does Morning_Glory_(2010_film) actually use the term "Manhattanhenge" at any point, or does it just have a pretty sunset shot? If "Manhattanhenge" isn't mentioned in Morning Glory, it's original research to mention the film on the basis of the sunset scene. Plantdrew ( talk) 06:03, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
The article has already been enhanced since you wrote this. As of today it now also sports an image of Manhattanhenge sunrise. Cheers. Fred Hsu ( talk) 12:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
This article asserts that the year's grid-aligned sunrises are not "Manhattanhenges" but it provides no citation to support that assertion.
The article does not contain the sentence "No sunrise is a Manhattanhenge" but its assertion that only sunsets are Manhattanhenges is the logical equivalent of "No sunrise is a Manhattanhenge" and so the same standard for citation and footnoting applies. How is it that we KNOW that the word "Manhattanhenges" doesn't include grid-aligned sunrises? WHY do the people who use the word in a way that arbitrarily and capriciously excludes sunrises use it that way? What is a RATIONALE for this?
Google's algorithm may favor more-recent over less-recent pages. It is very hard right now (May 29th) to find a page where "Manhattanhenges" includes sunrises. I know that such sources exist because I have read them, long ago (I suspect long enough ago that the term predates the ascendancy of Dr. Tyson). It will be easier to find such sources if I google again in early December, when, for recency, they will "float to the top". I have been in a cab in December when 1010-WINS announced that a Manhattanhenge sunrise would occur the next day or had occurred hours earlier that morning.
The entire matter of excluding late-Autumn and early-Winter grid-aligned sunrises from the word "Manhattanhenges" should be looked at with skepticism until sufficient documentation is supplied. 2604:2000:C682:2D00:3934:55A0:33B5:B02F ( talk) 19:46, 29 May 2017 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
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discovered that its main street almost framed the rising sun on Midsummer Day and the setting sun on Midwinter Day, they consulted Greenwich Observatory to obtain the exact angle required at their latitude, and persuaded their engineers to shift the grid of roads a few degrees.
OK, but say if they shifted it even more, to avoid traffic hazards, or less ... Jidanni ( talk) 01:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps mention the same Manhattanhenge concept can be used for mountain identification. [2] Jidanni ( talk) 18:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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Palaverist 15:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Seems like this should be merged. Mattnt 14:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
They definitely should be merged and my preference is for Manhattanhenge to be the surviving name since the solistice is not the date the event occurs. Americasroof 14:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
The intro to this article is somewhat confusing because 'east-west streets' would imply an equinotial alignment, not solstitial. In fact it's neither since the 'east-west' grid is not due east-west. It would be better, I feel, to omit all references to cardinal points unless actual bearings are given. Just my 2¢ Akhen3sir ( talk) 11:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
under the picture it says that the sun set to the right of the center on July 13, 2006, while it set on the center line on July 12. This must be wrong, on July 13, the sun always sets more left than on July 12! -- androl ( talk) 22:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Beyond My Ken reverted my Manhattanhenge_map.svg image twice, claiming it a mess.
Although the text already describes the phenomenon, I think readers who are less familiar with NYC geography, or think more visually (as I do) will benefit from an image which illustrates the directions of sunrise and sunset of both Manhattanhenge and throughout the year.
I agree that my first image was unnecessarily large and thus made it a much smaller thumbnail which I believe does not negatively affect the article.
Could you please suggest changes to the image (other than to remove it) that would make it less messy, as you put it?
Why do you think it a mess? Is it because the background bitmap is too dark, making the text unreadable?
Would it also be better if I called it a "satellite view" instead of a "map"?
Thanks, cmɢʟee☺ τaʟκ 12:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I am not a graphics artist. I did this in microsoft paint, it took all of two minutes, and it obviously doesn't meet any quality standard at all (other than, say, "bad quality" or "atrocious quality"). But I think a properly done version like this - showing manhatten as a whole, then zooming in to show the street grid pattern, then how the sun can line up - would be clear: Egg Centric 16:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
@ Beyond My Ken: Yes, I'm prejudiced against cultural references, especially when no sources are cited. And citing the pop culture item itself is a form of original research. The cover art for The Chemistry of Common Life shows the sun setting between some buildings, and the article claims it's an example of Manhattanhenge. Says who? That photo could have been taken between any number of buildings at any number of angles on any number of days. Which is the whole point of the the xkcd reference that motivated me to remove all this garbage in the first place (xkcd only explicitly mentions "Manhattan thing" with no secondary source to connect "Manhattan thing" to "Manhattanhenge"). Does Morning_Glory_(2010_film) actually use the term "Manhattanhenge" at any point, or does it just have a pretty sunset shot? If "Manhattanhenge" isn't mentioned in Morning Glory, it's original research to mention the film on the basis of the sunset scene. Plantdrew ( talk) 06:03, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
The article has already been enhanced since you wrote this. As of today it now also sports an image of Manhattanhenge sunrise. Cheers. Fred Hsu ( talk) 12:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
This article asserts that the year's grid-aligned sunrises are not "Manhattanhenges" but it provides no citation to support that assertion.
The article does not contain the sentence "No sunrise is a Manhattanhenge" but its assertion that only sunsets are Manhattanhenges is the logical equivalent of "No sunrise is a Manhattanhenge" and so the same standard for citation and footnoting applies. How is it that we KNOW that the word "Manhattanhenges" doesn't include grid-aligned sunrises? WHY do the people who use the word in a way that arbitrarily and capriciously excludes sunrises use it that way? What is a RATIONALE for this?
Google's algorithm may favor more-recent over less-recent pages. It is very hard right now (May 29th) to find a page where "Manhattanhenges" includes sunrises. I know that such sources exist because I have read them, long ago (I suspect long enough ago that the term predates the ascendancy of Dr. Tyson). It will be easier to find such sources if I google again in early December, when, for recency, they will "float to the top". I have been in a cab in December when 1010-WINS announced that a Manhattanhenge sunrise would occur the next day or had occurred hours earlier that morning.
The entire matter of excluding late-Autumn and early-Winter grid-aligned sunrises from the word "Manhattanhenges" should be looked at with skepticism until sufficient documentation is supplied. 2604:2000:C682:2D00:3934:55A0:33B5:B02F ( talk) 19:46, 29 May 2017 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
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discovered that its main street almost framed the rising sun on Midsummer Day and the setting sun on Midwinter Day, they consulted Greenwich Observatory to obtain the exact angle required at their latitude, and persuaded their engineers to shift the grid of roads a few degrees.
OK, but say if they shifted it even more, to avoid traffic hazards, or less ... Jidanni ( talk) 01:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps mention the same Manhattanhenge concept can be used for mountain identification. [2] Jidanni ( talk) 18:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)