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I work in this building :) I just wanted to someone to address why does the inscription in the front of the building say "New Amsterdam"? Is it to make the Dutch feel good that they colonized New York before the British defeated them, and renamed it to New York?
72.80.34.133 ( talk) 01:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it lists all the names the city has been known for. The central engraving says Manhattan.
Re the in pop culture section - we need some sources for these. Right now there's none, even for the claims for which there might be some source (e.g., Seinfeld one re: Elaine's workplace). Neutrality talk 18:10, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Actually, concerning the building, I agree with you that it is exactly the kind of thing which requires a citation, because it's not self-sourcing, the way the content of books, movies and TV shows is. It needs someone to say "Hey, I based this fake building on that real building", or, at the very least, a third party saying "This building in the filmn is quite obviously based on that real building." It's a good example of what is not self-sourcing, and I will go and tag it now. BMK ( talk) 19:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Beyond My Ken, I've readded the citation needed tags:
The RFC on verifiability items in popular culture sections has been closed. The conclusion was: "The consensus is very clear that a secondary source is required in almost all cases. A tertiary source is even better, if available. In the rare case that a primary source is judged to be sufficient, it should be properly cited. The source(s) cited should not only establish the verifiability of the pop culture reference, but also its significance." -- Aervanath ( talk) 09:32, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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Trying to find out who carved 'Manhattan' and 'New York MDCLXIV' on the front of the building https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=3625859944148379&set=pcb.1023526611482963 207.96.121.94 ( talk) 00:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)Meg Nei
There are two sources in this article supporting the claim thst the model was Munson.
One is an archived NYC page - it doesn’t say who the model is, so should be removed. Here it is https://web.archive.org/web/20160304200909/http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/html/about/civicfame.shtml
The other source is a blog https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/audrey_munson_new_yorks_civic_fame_and_miss_manhattan_san_franciscos_worlds/
It cites (and links to) a 1913 article from the New York Sun that says Munson was the the model for the statue on the Municipal Building, which it names as “Civic Pride”
That blog also notes and links to coverage of the blog’s author in a 1996 NYT piece about the blog author’s “obsession with Miss Munson”
In the article on Audrey Munson, there are different sources for the claim that she is the model.
One is a link to the Smithsonian Institutuon Research Information System (which I assume is very reliable!). It doesn’t support the content - it says that the model was Julia Baird, and cites several scholarly sources. Link - https://siris-artinventories.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=15K89019L41P6.1276&profile=ariall&source=~!siartinventories&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100001~!5808~!16&ri=1&aspect=Keyword&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=civic&index=.GW&uindex=&oper=&term=Weinman&index=.AW&uindex=&aspect=Keyword&menu=search&ri=1
The other reference is a citation (no link) to the 7th article in a series of 20 articles that Munson wrote in 1920 and 1921 that were syndicated in Hearst newspapers’ sunday editions - the series was called “By the ‘Queen of the Artists’ Studios’” (with a long salacious subtitle). I obtained that article and read it. Her article doesn’t say anything about Civic Fame — it is about a visit to Paris, meeting the models there. There is however a little box (by the editors) which says that she was the model for “Civic “Pride” (similar to the New York Sun
In my view the Smithsonian reference is more reliable by Wikipedia standards.
At minimum what the Smithsonian ref actually says should be in the content!
One could say “according to the Smithonian the model was Julia Baird; according to some contemporary accounts the model was Audrey Munson.” Or something like that.
Am also posting this on the Munson article 24.90.99.162 ( talk) 19:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
where can we find information on which city committee determines the lighting theme and what it is? 2604:CA00:17C:3581:0:0:C60:631F ( talk) 01:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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I work in this building :) I just wanted to someone to address why does the inscription in the front of the building say "New Amsterdam"? Is it to make the Dutch feel good that they colonized New York before the British defeated them, and renamed it to New York?
72.80.34.133 ( talk) 01:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it lists all the names the city has been known for. The central engraving says Manhattan.
Re the in pop culture section - we need some sources for these. Right now there's none, even for the claims for which there might be some source (e.g., Seinfeld one re: Elaine's workplace). Neutrality talk 18:10, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Actually, concerning the building, I agree with you that it is exactly the kind of thing which requires a citation, because it's not self-sourcing, the way the content of books, movies and TV shows is. It needs someone to say "Hey, I based this fake building on that real building", or, at the very least, a third party saying "This building in the filmn is quite obviously based on that real building." It's a good example of what is not self-sourcing, and I will go and tag it now. BMK ( talk) 19:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Beyond My Ken, I've readded the citation needed tags:
The RFC on verifiability items in popular culture sections has been closed. The conclusion was: "The consensus is very clear that a secondary source is required in almost all cases. A tertiary source is even better, if available. In the rare case that a primary source is judged to be sufficient, it should be properly cited. The source(s) cited should not only establish the verifiability of the pop culture reference, but also its significance." -- Aervanath ( talk) 09:32, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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The result was: promoted by
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5x expanded by Epicgenius ( talk). Self-nominated at 13:36, 15 June 2020 (UTC).
Trying to find out who carved 'Manhattan' and 'New York MDCLXIV' on the front of the building https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=3625859944148379&set=pcb.1023526611482963 207.96.121.94 ( talk) 00:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)Meg Nei
There are two sources in this article supporting the claim thst the model was Munson.
One is an archived NYC page - it doesn’t say who the model is, so should be removed. Here it is https://web.archive.org/web/20160304200909/http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/html/about/civicfame.shtml
The other source is a blog https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/audrey_munson_new_yorks_civic_fame_and_miss_manhattan_san_franciscos_worlds/
It cites (and links to) a 1913 article from the New York Sun that says Munson was the the model for the statue on the Municipal Building, which it names as “Civic Pride”
That blog also notes and links to coverage of the blog’s author in a 1996 NYT piece about the blog author’s “obsession with Miss Munson”
In the article on Audrey Munson, there are different sources for the claim that she is the model.
One is a link to the Smithsonian Institutuon Research Information System (which I assume is very reliable!). It doesn’t support the content - it says that the model was Julia Baird, and cites several scholarly sources. Link - https://siris-artinventories.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=15K89019L41P6.1276&profile=ariall&source=~!siartinventories&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100001~!5808~!16&ri=1&aspect=Keyword&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=civic&index=.GW&uindex=&oper=&term=Weinman&index=.AW&uindex=&aspect=Keyword&menu=search&ri=1
The other reference is a citation (no link) to the 7th article in a series of 20 articles that Munson wrote in 1920 and 1921 that were syndicated in Hearst newspapers’ sunday editions - the series was called “By the ‘Queen of the Artists’ Studios’” (with a long salacious subtitle). I obtained that article and read it. Her article doesn’t say anything about Civic Fame — it is about a visit to Paris, meeting the models there. There is however a little box (by the editors) which says that she was the model for “Civic “Pride” (similar to the New York Sun
In my view the Smithsonian reference is more reliable by Wikipedia standards.
At minimum what the Smithsonian ref actually says should be in the content!
One could say “according to the Smithonian the model was Julia Baird; according to some contemporary accounts the model was Audrey Munson.” Or something like that.
Am also posting this on the Munson article 24.90.99.162 ( talk) 19:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
where can we find information on which city committee determines the lighting theme and what it is? 2604:CA00:17C:3581:0:0:C60:631F ( talk) 01:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)