This article, like New York City and New York (state), has serious issues with too many images. The "Boroughscapes" section in particular is a gallery and needs to go. My tagging it as such however was reverted by Castncoot ( talk · contribs) who wrote in their edit summary that the article "is entitled to its picturescapes" and they have "been up for a long time". WP:CONTENTAGE is never a reason for keeping content and no Wikipedia article is "entitled" to violate the manual of style. Besides the Boroughscapes section, galleries in "20th century", "Neighborhood", "Parkland", and "Culture and contemporary life" are all excessive and need to be removed. Thanks!-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 16:45, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Personhattan. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 15#Personhattan until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesome Hwyh 18:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Even a bulleted list would be better than it looks now... We can see the names of the landmarks one after another in the paragraph without any description, it does not look good. Can someone make it right? Kapeter77 ( talk) 06:11, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Also gateways to numerous iconic river-crossing bridges, and an emerging number of supertall skyscrapers, are all located on densely populated Manhattan Island; the Statue of Liberty rests on a pedestal on Liberty Island, an exclave of Manhattan.These issues should be discussed before we re-add this list. epicgenius ( talk) 13:32, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to say that the article about Manhattan needs semi-protection, due to the fact that it has over 100,000 views, and later in the future, some people may vandalize it and might actually delete the entire page and only leave the name of it. Interesting536 ( talk) 20:33, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm removing this because the timing, coming as it is before the Mayoral primary, is suspect. I suggest getting consensus before re-adding it. -- RegentsPark ( comment) 15:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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When I tried editing the article a short while ago, I tried to link the 1844 United States presidential election in New York article so that it would match up with the other elections on the table so it wouldn't simply be linked to the main 1844 United States presidential election. However, when I tried linking up that article, I ended up deleting the table by mistake and I had to undo my edit. Could I please have some help with actually linking the article without it deleting the table? -- JCC the Alternate Historian ( talk) 23:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Information about presidential election results cites returns from the 2004 election, presumably to offer a contemporary snapshot. It is now nearing 2022; could somebody please update these references with statistics from the 2020 election? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AQuandary ( talk • contribs) 15:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Why does the infobox incorrectly assert that Manhattan is "New York City, New York"? Manhattan is a part of New York City that is coextensive with New York County, thus the parameter should have the name of the county as with the other boroughs. I was unable to change this outright, as someone added a note to discuss first. -- IWI ( talk) 02:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
The article contains a glaring error. Manhattan is NOT coextensive with New York County ever since the Hsarlem River Aculsion sepaated the Mable Hull Distyrict from the island of Manhattan., Marble Huill is on the mainland of the United States and often thought of as being part of Bronxc Cunty but it is not. Avulsions do not change the boundaries of thge teioieshet adjhoun, and Marble Hill is part of Neww York Cojnty even though it is not on Manhattan Island. 2603:7000:1301:ED88:E95D:D6CF:A278:6635 ( talk) 22:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
The borough of Manhattan shall consist of the territory known as New York county which shall contain all that part of the city and state, including that portion of land commonly known as Marble Hill and included within the county of New York and borough of Manhattan .... See also this discussion and this discussion. -- Kinu t/ c 07:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
I started a topic at Talk:New_York_City#Reviewing_Sources regarding which sources should and shouldn't be used in the New York City article. Lots of the same sources are used here, so interested editors should look at the discussion there. 🙢 Sativa Inflorescence ( talk) 02:35, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
It's better once enlarged, but the thumbnail image of the interactive map looks like it was drawn by a child. Can the outline size be reduced in the thumbnail? Or could we just have a normal good image here? BlazeFielding ( talk) 21:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
For some reason the interactive map has the wrong name for Manhattan, "Menhetn", which I believe is only used on the Latin Serbian Wikipedia. You can't see this in this article unless you open the map and zoom in, but it is visible in e.g. Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis Reservoir. I checked OpenStreetMap and they have the correct English name for Manhattan, so for some reason this one name is loaded wrong. I don't know how this could be fixed or where it is appropriate to write about it, I decided to try doing it here. VOT Enjoyer ( talk) 09:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
With regards to the lead section, do people generally prefer this version (Version A), or this version (Version B) as the basis for future development? Let's have some preliminary discussion, and if we don't arrive at a clear consensus I'll open an RfC to bring in wider viewpoints. Nikkimaria ( talk) 04:13, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Should Version A or Version C of the lead be used as the basis for future development? 18:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and implemented version C of the lead section per the above discussion, since there's a pretty clear consensus to do so. 23.150.152.38 ( talk) 10:07, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
With regards to the Landmarks section, do people generally prefer this version (status quo), or this version (proposed) as the basis for future development? Let's have some preliminary discussion, and if we don't arrive at a clear consensus I'll open an RfC to bring in wider viewpoints. Nikkimaria ( talk) 22:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
What makes you think that you know more than those people? That is the height of arrogance, and
recklessly and cluelessly deletedare hurtful, unhelpful and untrue. Please consider striking them and apologising. There is also some excellent advice over at WP:WALKIES and WP:COOL, articles I turn to frequently in my own editing and strongly recomend. Cheers, Last1in ( talk) 12:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
wholesale destruction of the articleto the list of things that are unhelpful and deliberately hurtful. Please desist. Such comments are disruptive and absolutely not within the spirit of WP:AGF or WP:CIVIL. Also, I respectfully suggest a review of WP:OWN. Cheers, Last1in ( talk) 13:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Please forgive my brusque style, I realize that Nikkimaria and you are just trying to help. Castncoot ( talk) 23:02, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
When I see all this emotional turmoil, I have to remind myself of how hard editing Wikipedia can be.
I, like many of us here, have spent many hours over several days, with painful attention to sources, clarity, format and prose style, on Wikipedia articles and tables only to see my work misunderstood, undone slashed and distorted by some editor somewhere at some later time — sometimes with perfectly good intentions, and sometimes with a bias or ulterior agenda.
And my natural reaction is bewilderment, frustration, sometimes rage and sometimes leaving the article or table altogether to gather my thoughts, try to see the other editor's view, and sometimes comment on the talk page.
On the other hand, Wikipedia is not static, and none of us is blessed with the omniscience and judgement to create a Perfect Article. And once thrown out on mainspace, Wikipedia as a whole (not just the most recent editor) becomes responsible for the article.
So try to understand reactions that may seem ill-tempered. Step away from the Talk Page until you review what other editors are driving at and can craft the most cogent and useful reply.
End of lecture. I hope that wasn't too pompous. —— Shakescene ( talk) 01:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Great article, but I found the info at notes 44 and 45 a bit hard to follow. 2600:E000:4D3:F848:ADD4:C147:F8C5:EEBA ( talk) 12:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
This article, like New York City and New York (state), has serious issues with too many images. The "Boroughscapes" section in particular is a gallery and needs to go. My tagging it as such however was reverted by Castncoot ( talk · contribs) who wrote in their edit summary that the article "is entitled to its picturescapes" and they have "been up for a long time". WP:CONTENTAGE is never a reason for keeping content and no Wikipedia article is "entitled" to violate the manual of style. Besides the Boroughscapes section, galleries in "20th century", "Neighborhood", "Parkland", and "Culture and contemporary life" are all excessive and need to be removed. Thanks!-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 16:45, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Personhattan. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 15#Personhattan until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesome Hwyh 18:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Even a bulleted list would be better than it looks now... We can see the names of the landmarks one after another in the paragraph without any description, it does not look good. Can someone make it right? Kapeter77 ( talk) 06:11, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Also gateways to numerous iconic river-crossing bridges, and an emerging number of supertall skyscrapers, are all located on densely populated Manhattan Island; the Statue of Liberty rests on a pedestal on Liberty Island, an exclave of Manhattan.These issues should be discussed before we re-add this list. epicgenius ( talk) 13:32, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to say that the article about Manhattan needs semi-protection, due to the fact that it has over 100,000 views, and later in the future, some people may vandalize it and might actually delete the entire page and only leave the name of it. Interesting536 ( talk) 20:33, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm removing this because the timing, coming as it is before the Mayoral primary, is suspect. I suggest getting consensus before re-adding it. -- RegentsPark ( comment) 15:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
1st borough. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 27#1st borough until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. feminist
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13:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
First borough. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 27#First borough until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. feminist
(+)
13:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
When I tried editing the article a short while ago, I tried to link the 1844 United States presidential election in New York article so that it would match up with the other elections on the table so it wouldn't simply be linked to the main 1844 United States presidential election. However, when I tried linking up that article, I ended up deleting the table by mistake and I had to undo my edit. Could I please have some help with actually linking the article without it deleting the table? -- JCC the Alternate Historian ( talk) 23:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Information about presidential election results cites returns from the 2004 election, presumably to offer a contemporary snapshot. It is now nearing 2022; could somebody please update these references with statistics from the 2020 election? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AQuandary ( talk • contribs) 15:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Why does the infobox incorrectly assert that Manhattan is "New York City, New York"? Manhattan is a part of New York City that is coextensive with New York County, thus the parameter should have the name of the county as with the other boroughs. I was unable to change this outright, as someone added a note to discuss first. -- IWI ( talk) 02:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
The article contains a glaring error. Manhattan is NOT coextensive with New York County ever since the Hsarlem River Aculsion sepaated the Mable Hull Distyrict from the island of Manhattan., Marble Huill is on the mainland of the United States and often thought of as being part of Bronxc Cunty but it is not. Avulsions do not change the boundaries of thge teioieshet adjhoun, and Marble Hill is part of Neww York Cojnty even though it is not on Manhattan Island. 2603:7000:1301:ED88:E95D:D6CF:A278:6635 ( talk) 22:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
The borough of Manhattan shall consist of the territory known as New York county which shall contain all that part of the city and state, including that portion of land commonly known as Marble Hill and included within the county of New York and borough of Manhattan .... See also this discussion and this discussion. -- Kinu t/ c 07:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
I started a topic at Talk:New_York_City#Reviewing_Sources regarding which sources should and shouldn't be used in the New York City article. Lots of the same sources are used here, so interested editors should look at the discussion there. 🙢 Sativa Inflorescence ( talk) 02:35, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
It's better once enlarged, but the thumbnail image of the interactive map looks like it was drawn by a child. Can the outline size be reduced in the thumbnail? Or could we just have a normal good image here? BlazeFielding ( talk) 21:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
For some reason the interactive map has the wrong name for Manhattan, "Menhetn", which I believe is only used on the Latin Serbian Wikipedia. You can't see this in this article unless you open the map and zoom in, but it is visible in e.g. Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis Reservoir. I checked OpenStreetMap and they have the correct English name for Manhattan, so for some reason this one name is loaded wrong. I don't know how this could be fixed or where it is appropriate to write about it, I decided to try doing it here. VOT Enjoyer ( talk) 09:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
With regards to the lead section, do people generally prefer this version (Version A), or this version (Version B) as the basis for future development? Let's have some preliminary discussion, and if we don't arrive at a clear consensus I'll open an RfC to bring in wider viewpoints. Nikkimaria ( talk) 04:13, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Should Version A or Version C of the lead be used as the basis for future development? 18:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and implemented version C of the lead section per the above discussion, since there's a pretty clear consensus to do so. 23.150.152.38 ( talk) 10:07, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
With regards to the Landmarks section, do people generally prefer this version (status quo), or this version (proposed) as the basis for future development? Let's have some preliminary discussion, and if we don't arrive at a clear consensus I'll open an RfC to bring in wider viewpoints. Nikkimaria ( talk) 22:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
What makes you think that you know more than those people? That is the height of arrogance, and
recklessly and cluelessly deletedare hurtful, unhelpful and untrue. Please consider striking them and apologising. There is also some excellent advice over at WP:WALKIES and WP:COOL, articles I turn to frequently in my own editing and strongly recomend. Cheers, Last1in ( talk) 12:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
wholesale destruction of the articleto the list of things that are unhelpful and deliberately hurtful. Please desist. Such comments are disruptive and absolutely not within the spirit of WP:AGF or WP:CIVIL. Also, I respectfully suggest a review of WP:OWN. Cheers, Last1in ( talk) 13:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Please forgive my brusque style, I realize that Nikkimaria and you are just trying to help. Castncoot ( talk) 23:02, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
When I see all this emotional turmoil, I have to remind myself of how hard editing Wikipedia can be.
I, like many of us here, have spent many hours over several days, with painful attention to sources, clarity, format and prose style, on Wikipedia articles and tables only to see my work misunderstood, undone slashed and distorted by some editor somewhere at some later time — sometimes with perfectly good intentions, and sometimes with a bias or ulterior agenda.
And my natural reaction is bewilderment, frustration, sometimes rage and sometimes leaving the article or table altogether to gather my thoughts, try to see the other editor's view, and sometimes comment on the talk page.
On the other hand, Wikipedia is not static, and none of us is blessed with the omniscience and judgement to create a Perfect Article. And once thrown out on mainspace, Wikipedia as a whole (not just the most recent editor) becomes responsible for the article.
So try to understand reactions that may seem ill-tempered. Step away from the Talk Page until you review what other editors are driving at and can craft the most cogent and useful reply.
End of lecture. I hope that wasn't too pompous. —— Shakescene ( talk) 01:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Great article, but I found the info at notes 44 and 45 a bit hard to follow. 2600:E000:4D3:F848:ADD4:C147:F8C5:EEBA ( talk) 12:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)