![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article contains content that is duplicated in the Manchester page. I think there is a good case for merging the two and redirecting this one Manchester City Centre to the Manchester page which is more developed. What do people think? Bornslippy 12:57, 19 July 2004 (UTC)
I agree. PJBeef 16:01, 28 December 2004 (UTC)
Come on guys - get some more photos of Manchester uploaded and added to this page and the Manchester main article. David 15:33, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Sounds like advertisements to the City Centre. Skinnyweed 22:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, anyone fancy building a series on Manchester city centre? I think it could be really good for people new to the city and those who already live here to discover how great this place is. I work in the city centre so am planning to spend a bit of time taking pics of areas. I don't know how to make one of those "series" boxes, so could someone help? I think that following the rather good city centre divisions on the tourist map the council gives out would help, so here they are;
1. Manchester Arndale and Market Street 2. Deansgate, King Street and St Anns square 3. Peter's fields 4. Chinatown 5. Exhange square and new cathedral street 6. Northern Quarter 7. Piccadilly 8. Castlefield 9. The gay village 10. Spinningfields
I also propose the addition to this of Oxford Road/Manchester University.
These 11 areas would cover the city centre. Salford would have its own page, maybe with a link in the series box.
Can anyone help? I don't know how to change the template. -- Totalthinker 22:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
On this page it says that Chinatown in Manchester is the biggest in Europe, on the Chinatown page it says that it is the second largest in the UK after the one in London. Which is correct? ~~CD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.33.99 ( talk) 12:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I see from the discussion above that merging this article with the Manchester article has been considered before, in 2005, when opinion seemed to be fairy evenly divided.
I'm proposing the merger again now for a number of reasons:
-- Malleus Fatuarum 17:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, I can see that I'm thrashing a dead horse with this merger proposal, so I'll withdraw it. Doesn't mean that I don't still believe that this article ought to be merged of course. :) -- Malleus Fatuarum 22:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 05:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that it's inaccurate to describe the Lowry as 'Manchester's first five-star hotel'. I think that the Midland was a five star rating when it opened but was subsequently downgraded. I've not checked for an online reference for this, but there was an illuminating documentary on Channel 4 about the Midland a couple of months ago. The same may apply for other hotels too, I don't know (the downgrading, rather than the documentary!). -- Benwilson528 ( talk) 11:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Surely this article Manchester City Centre, should be renamed Manchester city centre? Cutmynoseofftospitemyface ( talk) 18:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
(<-) How's that? I hope that's ok for everyone. -- Jza84 | Talk 23:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
How is a density given for this neighborhood, if there is no land area given? What exactly are you basing the size on to be able to calculate the density? What, the electoral ward some other definition..? -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 03:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The article is missing a section detailing transport information for the city centre, which I think would be key. There is only minimal mention of transportation on the article. Tong22 ( talk) 14:24, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
The lead had multiple issues: repetition, non-notablity, insufficent refs and incoherency.
Manchester city centre – known formally as City Centre[1]
Bit repetitive and non-notable
is the central business district of both Manchester and Greater Manchester,[2] in North West England.
Seems a pretty slight ref for such a sweeping claim: is Manchester city centre really the central business district of Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Rochdale, Salford, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford and Wigan?
The city centre, as defined by Manchester City Council, lies within the Manchester Inner Ring Road, straddling the River Irwell, and thereby encompassing a small part of the neighbouring City of Salford.[3]
Salford is a separate city from Manchester, how can any of it lie within Manchester city centre? Surely the Irwell is the border. Haldraper ( talk) 16:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Mr Stephen, thank you for your civil, comprehensive and highly illuminating response. Which parts of Salford do you think are in Manchester city centre btw? Haldraper ( talk) 17:35, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Does that mean Manchester or Salford city centre? It's not clear. In any case, Manchester city council defines the city centre as an electoral ward that does not include any part of Salford. The ONS map is just a photograph, the border of it is just that, not the extent of the city centre (the Mancheste-Salford boundary is clearly marked on it). Similarly, the GMPTE ref does not say that Manchester city centre is the central business district of Greater Manchester, it says that Manchester and the adjoining parts of Salford and Trafford form a contiguous urban core of Greater Manchester with the surrounding towns like Oldham and Rochdale having their own centres. Haldraper ( talk) 12:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
It is agreed, by most who live here, that the small part of Salford, within the Ring Road, IS a part of "the city centre" or "Central Manchester", whatever you want to call it!!!Just shows what a joke our local authority borders are within this conurbation! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.183.8 ( talk) 14:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Agree with the above. Love how people, who do NOT live in this rather unique conurbation, love telling us what is what!!!! The area of Salford, WITHIN the inner ring road, IS considered part of the "CITY CENTRE". We all know, even those of us in Salford, Salford DOES NOT really have one!!!The two authorities DO work together promoting the whole area. So this fact needs at least to be ackowledged. We are well aware of the municipal boundaries which most of us cross several times a day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.182.49 ( talk) 11:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello all. Under the future developments section, we have a reference to a 'Co-op quarter'. I believe this has recently been rebranded as "Noma" and there is a bit more information about it here. Can the article be updated to reflect this new information? Tong22 ( talk) 23:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello all,
The lead has been subject of a very viscous and long edit war regarding the definition of Manchester city centre, for months if not years now. I'm concerned that the lead has been diminished by this which could/should be resolved by basing edits on reliable source material, not air brushing or personal preferences or misunderstanding/misreading of source material (both versions are guilty of at least part of these!).
I have spent some time looking closely at the source material would like to propose we adopt a tighter, better defined lead like that written in my draft at User:Jza84/Sandbox2. I do not believe that that should be the lead, rather I believe that those should be two of the three to four needed (we need something on high-rises, notable buildings, politcal and historical activity, the canal/train/tram/bus transport network which converges here and also how the centre is now divided amongst zones such as China Town, Spinningfields, Gay Village etc etc).
Thoughts please? -- Jza84 | Talk 22:37, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, the fact that the City Council defines part of Salford as within the city centre is one of the things that isn't notable enough for the lead and should be in the body instead. Haldraper ( talk) 19:55, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, super important for someone looking for general info that the City Council's technical definition is included in the lead. Haldraper ( talk) 07:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
It's a minor and eccentric belief akin to those who think the Earth is flat and Man didn't go the Moon. It's worth noting but not in the lead. You're either in the City of Manchester or the City of Salford but not both at the same time (unless you stand in the middle of a bridge across the Irwell I suppose). Haldraper ( talk) 08:15, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
How about this?
Manchester city centre is the central business district of Manchester in North West England. The electoral ward of Manchester Central has an area of 2.2 square miles (5.7 km2).
Manchester city centre evolved from the civilian vicus of the Roman fort of Mamucium on a sandstone bluff near the confluence of the rivers Medlock and Irwell. This became the township of Manchester during the Middle Ages and was later the site of the Peterloo Massacre in 1819. Manchester was granted city status in 1853 as the Industrial Revolution transformed it into a centre of the cotton trade with buildings such as the Royal Exchange, the Corn Exchange, the Free Trade Hall, and the Great Northern Warehouse. As the cotton trade declined in the mid-20th century, the city centre experienced an economic downturn.
The 1996 IRA bombing led to the redevelopment of the city centre and an upturn in retail, leisure and urban living. The revival of the city centre included the construction of the 551 ft (168 metre) Beetham Tower.
Manchester city centre lies next to the River Irwell, across which is the neighbouring City of Salford.
Haldraper ( talk) 12:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
It's about Manchester city centre. The county Manchester is in is not what people are looking for in the lead. Haldraper ( talk) 15:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi all,
Just compare this for a moment. Take a look at the discussions above. Ask yourself what's happened to the lead over the last 12 months. Ask yourself where "The city centre acts as the transport interchange for Greater Manchester and over 7 million people live within an hour's drive of it.." comes from and how one might scruitise this with Wikipedia's arsenal of guidelines. Ask yourself if reference removing, airbrushing of fact, and imposition of a narrow personal desire may have occurred here.
Support good research. Support good referencing. Support good editing! Please! -- Jza84 | Talk 00:43, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article contains content that is duplicated in the Manchester page. I think there is a good case for merging the two and redirecting this one Manchester City Centre to the Manchester page which is more developed. What do people think? Bornslippy 12:57, 19 July 2004 (UTC)
I agree. PJBeef 16:01, 28 December 2004 (UTC)
Come on guys - get some more photos of Manchester uploaded and added to this page and the Manchester main article. David 15:33, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Sounds like advertisements to the City Centre. Skinnyweed 22:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, anyone fancy building a series on Manchester city centre? I think it could be really good for people new to the city and those who already live here to discover how great this place is. I work in the city centre so am planning to spend a bit of time taking pics of areas. I don't know how to make one of those "series" boxes, so could someone help? I think that following the rather good city centre divisions on the tourist map the council gives out would help, so here they are;
1. Manchester Arndale and Market Street 2. Deansgate, King Street and St Anns square 3. Peter's fields 4. Chinatown 5. Exhange square and new cathedral street 6. Northern Quarter 7. Piccadilly 8. Castlefield 9. The gay village 10. Spinningfields
I also propose the addition to this of Oxford Road/Manchester University.
These 11 areas would cover the city centre. Salford would have its own page, maybe with a link in the series box.
Can anyone help? I don't know how to change the template. -- Totalthinker 22:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
On this page it says that Chinatown in Manchester is the biggest in Europe, on the Chinatown page it says that it is the second largest in the UK after the one in London. Which is correct? ~~CD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.33.99 ( talk) 12:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I see from the discussion above that merging this article with the Manchester article has been considered before, in 2005, when opinion seemed to be fairy evenly divided.
I'm proposing the merger again now for a number of reasons:
-- Malleus Fatuarum 17:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, I can see that I'm thrashing a dead horse with this merger proposal, so I'll withdraw it. Doesn't mean that I don't still believe that this article ought to be merged of course. :) -- Malleus Fatuarum 22:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 05:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that it's inaccurate to describe the Lowry as 'Manchester's first five-star hotel'. I think that the Midland was a five star rating when it opened but was subsequently downgraded. I've not checked for an online reference for this, but there was an illuminating documentary on Channel 4 about the Midland a couple of months ago. The same may apply for other hotels too, I don't know (the downgrading, rather than the documentary!). -- Benwilson528 ( talk) 11:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Surely this article Manchester City Centre, should be renamed Manchester city centre? Cutmynoseofftospitemyface ( talk) 18:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
(<-) How's that? I hope that's ok for everyone. -- Jza84 | Talk 23:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
How is a density given for this neighborhood, if there is no land area given? What exactly are you basing the size on to be able to calculate the density? What, the electoral ward some other definition..? -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 03:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The article is missing a section detailing transport information for the city centre, which I think would be key. There is only minimal mention of transportation on the article. Tong22 ( talk) 14:24, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
The lead had multiple issues: repetition, non-notablity, insufficent refs and incoherency.
Manchester city centre – known formally as City Centre[1]
Bit repetitive and non-notable
is the central business district of both Manchester and Greater Manchester,[2] in North West England.
Seems a pretty slight ref for such a sweeping claim: is Manchester city centre really the central business district of Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Rochdale, Salford, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford and Wigan?
The city centre, as defined by Manchester City Council, lies within the Manchester Inner Ring Road, straddling the River Irwell, and thereby encompassing a small part of the neighbouring City of Salford.[3]
Salford is a separate city from Manchester, how can any of it lie within Manchester city centre? Surely the Irwell is the border. Haldraper ( talk) 16:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Mr Stephen, thank you for your civil, comprehensive and highly illuminating response. Which parts of Salford do you think are in Manchester city centre btw? Haldraper ( talk) 17:35, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Does that mean Manchester or Salford city centre? It's not clear. In any case, Manchester city council defines the city centre as an electoral ward that does not include any part of Salford. The ONS map is just a photograph, the border of it is just that, not the extent of the city centre (the Mancheste-Salford boundary is clearly marked on it). Similarly, the GMPTE ref does not say that Manchester city centre is the central business district of Greater Manchester, it says that Manchester and the adjoining parts of Salford and Trafford form a contiguous urban core of Greater Manchester with the surrounding towns like Oldham and Rochdale having their own centres. Haldraper ( talk) 12:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
It is agreed, by most who live here, that the small part of Salford, within the Ring Road, IS a part of "the city centre" or "Central Manchester", whatever you want to call it!!!Just shows what a joke our local authority borders are within this conurbation! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.183.8 ( talk) 14:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Agree with the above. Love how people, who do NOT live in this rather unique conurbation, love telling us what is what!!!! The area of Salford, WITHIN the inner ring road, IS considered part of the "CITY CENTRE". We all know, even those of us in Salford, Salford DOES NOT really have one!!!The two authorities DO work together promoting the whole area. So this fact needs at least to be ackowledged. We are well aware of the municipal boundaries which most of us cross several times a day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.182.49 ( talk) 11:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello all. Under the future developments section, we have a reference to a 'Co-op quarter'. I believe this has recently been rebranded as "Noma" and there is a bit more information about it here. Can the article be updated to reflect this new information? Tong22 ( talk) 23:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello all,
The lead has been subject of a very viscous and long edit war regarding the definition of Manchester city centre, for months if not years now. I'm concerned that the lead has been diminished by this which could/should be resolved by basing edits on reliable source material, not air brushing or personal preferences or misunderstanding/misreading of source material (both versions are guilty of at least part of these!).
I have spent some time looking closely at the source material would like to propose we adopt a tighter, better defined lead like that written in my draft at User:Jza84/Sandbox2. I do not believe that that should be the lead, rather I believe that those should be two of the three to four needed (we need something on high-rises, notable buildings, politcal and historical activity, the canal/train/tram/bus transport network which converges here and also how the centre is now divided amongst zones such as China Town, Spinningfields, Gay Village etc etc).
Thoughts please? -- Jza84 | Talk 22:37, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, the fact that the City Council defines part of Salford as within the city centre is one of the things that isn't notable enough for the lead and should be in the body instead. Haldraper ( talk) 19:55, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, super important for someone looking for general info that the City Council's technical definition is included in the lead. Haldraper ( talk) 07:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
It's a minor and eccentric belief akin to those who think the Earth is flat and Man didn't go the Moon. It's worth noting but not in the lead. You're either in the City of Manchester or the City of Salford but not both at the same time (unless you stand in the middle of a bridge across the Irwell I suppose). Haldraper ( talk) 08:15, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
How about this?
Manchester city centre is the central business district of Manchester in North West England. The electoral ward of Manchester Central has an area of 2.2 square miles (5.7 km2).
Manchester city centre evolved from the civilian vicus of the Roman fort of Mamucium on a sandstone bluff near the confluence of the rivers Medlock and Irwell. This became the township of Manchester during the Middle Ages and was later the site of the Peterloo Massacre in 1819. Manchester was granted city status in 1853 as the Industrial Revolution transformed it into a centre of the cotton trade with buildings such as the Royal Exchange, the Corn Exchange, the Free Trade Hall, and the Great Northern Warehouse. As the cotton trade declined in the mid-20th century, the city centre experienced an economic downturn.
The 1996 IRA bombing led to the redevelopment of the city centre and an upturn in retail, leisure and urban living. The revival of the city centre included the construction of the 551 ft (168 metre) Beetham Tower.
Manchester city centre lies next to the River Irwell, across which is the neighbouring City of Salford.
Haldraper ( talk) 12:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
It's about Manchester city centre. The county Manchester is in is not what people are looking for in the lead. Haldraper ( talk) 15:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi all,
Just compare this for a moment. Take a look at the discussions above. Ask yourself what's happened to the lead over the last 12 months. Ask yourself where "The city centre acts as the transport interchange for Greater Manchester and over 7 million people live within an hour's drive of it.." comes from and how one might scruitise this with Wikipedia's arsenal of guidelines. Ask yourself if reference removing, airbrushing of fact, and imposition of a narrow personal desire may have occurred here.
Support good research. Support good referencing. Support good editing! Please! -- Jza84 | Talk 00:43, 20 December 2014 (UTC)