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The Basic Criteria of WP:BIO says:
A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published[3] secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]
Here is your secondary source material:
Most people would consider the Chicago Sun-Times to be "reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject."
I'd say this citation (along with association to the exteremely notable Obama family) is more than sufficient to establish notability. Also, he's getting smeared (or subject to speculation, depending on your point of view) in the right-wing press/blogosphere as being a radical muslim militant, trained in the Soviet Union, etc. I personally highly doubt that any of these charges will hold merit, but whatever you may think of them, they make for controversy &ndash and sooner or later this guy's going to be "notable for being notable" (which you may not like, but that you can't deny he's become a subject of widespread interest.) Yellow Rain ( talk) 03:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Please help save this important article by commenting at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Abongo_Obama
-- Utahredrock ( talk) 01:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
My personal is that these are bunk, having looked far and wide for anything resembling a verifiable reference. The reason I included those two references (IBD, Toronto Sun), and am re-including them now, is to show how species these allegations are (from what is known at present.) Their inclusion was by no means a personal attack in the sense of WB:BLP. Yellow Rain ( talk) 21:59, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
See here. This should be reflected in the name of this WP article.
In Obama's book Dreams of My Father, interestingly enough, he writes about meeting Malik as an adult: “I checked into the cheapest room I could find and waited. At nine, I heard a knock. When I opened the door, I found a big man standing there with his hands in his pockets, an even-toothed grin breaking across his ebony face. ‘Hey, brother,’ he said. ‘How’s life?’ In the pictures I had of Roy, he was slender[...].----JAKE TAPPER, ABC NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
— Justmeherenow ( ) 01:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Also, John Oywa reported in 2004 in the Nation (Nairobi) ( "Kenya: Special Report: Sleepy Little Village Where Obama Traces His Own Roots" that Malik Obama's wife was Fauziah Anyango. — Justmeherenow ( ) 03:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
In the article it's mentioned that he has dual citizenship. Two articles are used as a reference, but one article is no longer at the original URL and the second article mentions it without providing any proof or reference. Considering that both his parents are Kenyan and he spent and spends most of his life in Kenya, does anybody have any idea when or how this happened, or if there is a better reference for it? I don't see anything suggesting he spent an extended amount of time in the US apart from occasionally visiting, and I don't believe his father had dual citizenship before he was born. (I don't see anything about dual citizenship on his father's page at all, although he certainly spent a lot of time in the US after he was born, so I could easily believe his father eventually got US citizenship maybe, but that wouldn't apply to Malik if it was later.) Centerone ( talk) 18:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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The Basic Criteria of WP:BIO says:
A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published[3] secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]
Here is your secondary source material:
Most people would consider the Chicago Sun-Times to be "reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject."
I'd say this citation (along with association to the exteremely notable Obama family) is more than sufficient to establish notability. Also, he's getting smeared (or subject to speculation, depending on your point of view) in the right-wing press/blogosphere as being a radical muslim militant, trained in the Soviet Union, etc. I personally highly doubt that any of these charges will hold merit, but whatever you may think of them, they make for controversy &ndash and sooner or later this guy's going to be "notable for being notable" (which you may not like, but that you can't deny he's become a subject of widespread interest.) Yellow Rain ( talk) 03:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Please help save this important article by commenting at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Abongo_Obama
-- Utahredrock ( talk) 01:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
My personal is that these are bunk, having looked far and wide for anything resembling a verifiable reference. The reason I included those two references (IBD, Toronto Sun), and am re-including them now, is to show how species these allegations are (from what is known at present.) Their inclusion was by no means a personal attack in the sense of WB:BLP. Yellow Rain ( talk) 21:59, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
See here. This should be reflected in the name of this WP article.
In Obama's book Dreams of My Father, interestingly enough, he writes about meeting Malik as an adult: “I checked into the cheapest room I could find and waited. At nine, I heard a knock. When I opened the door, I found a big man standing there with his hands in his pockets, an even-toothed grin breaking across his ebony face. ‘Hey, brother,’ he said. ‘How’s life?’ In the pictures I had of Roy, he was slender[...].----JAKE TAPPER, ABC NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
— Justmeherenow ( ) 01:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Also, John Oywa reported in 2004 in the Nation (Nairobi) ( "Kenya: Special Report: Sleepy Little Village Where Obama Traces His Own Roots" that Malik Obama's wife was Fauziah Anyango. — Justmeherenow ( ) 03:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
In the article it's mentioned that he has dual citizenship. Two articles are used as a reference, but one article is no longer at the original URL and the second article mentions it without providing any proof or reference. Considering that both his parents are Kenyan and he spent and spends most of his life in Kenya, does anybody have any idea when or how this happened, or if there is a better reference for it? I don't see anything suggesting he spent an extended amount of time in the US apart from occasionally visiting, and I don't believe his father had dual citizenship before he was born. (I don't see anything about dual citizenship on his father's page at all, although he certainly spent a lot of time in the US after he was born, so I could easily believe his father eventually got US citizenship maybe, but that wouldn't apply to Malik if it was later.) Centerone ( talk) 18:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)