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From reading his autobiography, he doesn't seem to be militant at all. Where does this come from? Is this NPOV?
NOT NPOV and is irrelevant to article as to opinions of how Malcolm X will be remembered. Certainly the movie will have a lasting effect on his legacy. Malcolm X is regularly assigned to high school students, incidentally. Many people remember him most specifically for his "complete" conversion to Islam that occurred after Hajj, when he discovered transcendence over racial divides.
"Speaking as a black man from America, which is a racist society. No matter how much you hear it talk about democracy it's as racist as South Africa or as racist as Portugal or as racist as any other racialist society on this earth. The only difference between it and South Africa: South Africa preaches separation and practices separation. America preaches integration and practices segregation. This is the only difference. They don't practice what they preach. Or as South Africa preaches and practices the same thing. I have more respect for a man who let me know where he stands, even if he's wrong, then one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil."
-Our Holy Brother, Frater X:.
Malcom X was worshiped for being a civil rights leader, however he was NO BETTER than the Klansmen who killed him. I will elaborate, because just as the Klan preached anti-Black (Sorry, Anti-African-American) propaganda, Malcom X preached Anti-White (Sorry, Oh wait there is no politically correct term for White people in America, maybe Anti-Caucasion) propagnda. People think Malcom X was a great man, he was not. He had a following of uneducated, uninformed people JUST LIKE HITLER AND LIKE THE KU KLUX KLAN (after it becam a hate group). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiggibr ( talk • contribs) 06:15, June 21, 2007
Mr Shabazz: I believe you fail to realize that in order to make the argument that the article is partisan or not, one must first prove whether or not it is true. The above comment was paraphrasing Malcom X's personality, therefore proving the article non-partisan. However, the use of cited quotes would be more beneficial in proving Malcom X's militant ideas. For example:
"...respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetary." http://www.cmgww.com/historic/malcolm/about/quotes_articles.htm That quote hardly needs to be explained. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.85.87 ( talk) 01:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I just finished reading Malcolm's autobiography. Him being remembered as a militant is exactly how he prophesied people would think of him after his death. He spoke the truth about American culture. Never has there been equality and never will there be equality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.238.188.213 ( talk) 05:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
And apparently there isn't any hope for it either... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.85.87 ( talk) 05:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
<meemo> I read this talk and it interested me greatly. I didn't know who Malcom X is until I watched the movie played by Denzel Washington. As a Muslim, it affected me greatly to see how Islam played a part in African American Libration. But I noticed some in correction in the Preaching of Islam. Like the Idolizing of Elijah Mohamed, because for a true Muslim Al-Rasoul Mohamed is the Last Prophet and there is no Prophet after him. After saying this, I will return to talk about Malcolm x who is the main topic here. For me I saw him as a brilliant man who was diminished in his society, until he found Libration and freedom in the great Islam. Islam gave him what he needed as a free human. He began first with a closed mind, as he hated all whites no matter what their ideals were but when he found the true meaning of Islam (going to Hajj in Mecca and finding that he was really equal to every Muslim there White or Black). He became free minded and understood that hating White people are not the answer but (loving every one no matter what his color was) is. One of Islam's main messages was equality of human being. And no matter what you may say about it, We Arab people and Muslims practice this idea. I lived in an Arab country were most of the population are white but when I see a black man I don't feel anything different. They are people to me like everyone else. In the Gulf black people are mixed with the white in one family. So you can see a man with a black skin who is a cousin to one with a white skin. I hate what I see in your own movies, shows and Medias of discrimination. There is a profound hate and I could really see there is still discrimination in every aspects of life in America. I often wondered why Afro-American people lived in these degradation lives. Why all this using of drugs and Alcohols. Why most of them live this violent life and if someone gets away from this cycle it would be by means of music or sport and not because of education. So I realized that there must be someone who intends for them to live this life and not of any fault of them. I think America was built on a lie that is freedom and equality. I am not saying that all Americans are bad, or that we Muslims are perfect (God knows that we are not!) But stop this silly idea that you are coming to us to liberate us and make our lives better. America's effects on us were not anything but bad. If you want to liberate us why don't you remove all of these dictators who command all Arabic countries? Why are you interested in the Libration of Syria and not Saudi Arabia for example? Maybe because Saudia has oil and Syria don't! I'm sorry I talked this much. To return to my point, Malcolm X was a great man who wasn't given a lot of time to show his greatness. His violence at his start did not decrement him in my opinion but showed a man who was lost until he found his way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.200.10 ( talk) 21:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Does the X signify something in particular? I assumed it didn't, until I saw the names "Norman 3X Butler, and Thomas 15X Johnson" in this article. I'm curious what the X's (and the numbers) mean.
Back in the beginnings of the creation of the Black Muslims, they tended to use "X" instead of a last name because they claimed that their true African names had been stolen via slavery, and so they had no name to use. When there were several people in the same mosque with a name, they'd be John 2X, etc. As for the 3X Butler, etc., I can't answer that one. Nowadays, Black Muslims tend to take Arabic names and don't use the "X" so much any more. Rick K 08:23, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
Also, X stands for X-drinker, X-smoker, X-Christian, etc. This is stated in the main article.
any doubts, "X" stands for unknown (as in mathematical excercises), since they couldnt really figure out what was their true last name, they prefered that it remained unknown.
It also represents the unknown. In mathematics the letter x is used as a variable to represent the unknown. Since most African Americans were/are unable to trace back to our orginal name, the X was used in its' place. Brother Malcom stated this once before.
To reiterate, the "X" means unknown and was used to indicate that the true surnames of one's ancestor was unknown and could never be known. The number before the "X", for example a person with the name "Donald 10X", would mean that there were 10 members of the same mosque with that first name. In such a case this individual would have been either the 10th person with that name to join the organization or the 10th person to drop his anglo-slave master name. NOTE: The meaning of the number could also represent the numberical value of the number generations of one's family known to have been held in bondage(e.g. "3X" means 3 generations of known slaves and no further information available). In practice typically the anglo-slavemaster surname was no longer used once the person "adopted" the new name so it would probably be incorrect to call someone "Norman 3X Bulter". It would be like calling Muhammad Ali by his birth name, Cassius Clay, so more than likely the source meant it as a backhanded insult (typical of the media in the 1960s).
--If you peruse the official Malcolm X website--administered by his estate--you will find many references to so-and-so 10X so-and-so, including that same name formation for the two men who murdered him.
It is also possible that source of mistakening it for a nickname or an alias. Therefore the source used the adopted name as a moniker and the person's legal name (Charles 'Lucky' Luciano). Again it was probably cited incorrectly by the source with the intent of being disrespectful.
== Malcolm X stated in an interview that his surname was his slave name, handed down from generation to generation. The transition to X represented a kind of liberation and rejection (more of an rejection I would imagine) of that slave name.
The Malcolm X documentry "Make it Plain" includes this interview and can be found on google video ==
In math, X could be solved by an equation. The ancestry of a african-american being "can never be unraveled", so therefore has no algebraic solution. Or does it? Recently, Oprah Winfrey's roots were partially traced back to her african tribe, though they didn't find her original last name. Is this the first step to finding the meaning of X? What exactly does the future hold?-- Black and Proud 05:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The article says that the "Autobiography of Malcolm X" was published in 1972, but this cannot be true. This was on our reading list when I was a Junior in High School in and, at that point, it was available in paperback. The NY Times reported today (14-May) that it was published in 1965, which seems likely to be correct.
There will most probably be different published versions of the book as it gets re published throughout the years, 1972 may well be a re print year?
Doesnt one have to be a muslim to perform hajj in the first place? i dont understand how he made hajj BEFORE he became a muslim.
"Angry on-lookers in the crowd caught and beat the assassins as they attempted to flee the Ballroom" - they caught them and beat them, and they were never charged for the murder? Not even their identity is mentioned in the article. ( clem 11:46, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC))
I certainly agree. Malcolm X lived in fear from the time he was outsed from the Black Muslims until the time of his death. A new article describing the deatils of the assassination as well as information about the killers and their possible motives will give anyone interested in Malcolm X's life and his influence on American culture, and the world in general a better idea of what happened and why it is important. Nickiesncream 19:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
No mention is made of a possible assassination conspiracy along the lines of MLK, RFK and JFK. Personally (since I think there was one) I think this shuld be added.
Article doesn't mention he went to prison, when, or for what. Is there an assumption that if you get "involved in drugs, ..., and robbery" in New York you automatically go to prison?
In one of his first jobs, Malcolm "was making more money putting [shoeshine] customers in touch with prostitutes than he was in polishing their shoes." (Malcolm, by Bruce Perry, p. 53.
He was apprehended pimping to a serviceman (actually an undercover policeman), but let off with a warning. (Malcolm, p. 69)
He convinced the Army that he was mentally unfit for service, and thereby evaded the draft. Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 74)
He apparently engaged in homosexual acts for money. Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 77f. See also p. 82f.)
In 1944 he stole a coat from a relative and was sentenced to a three-month suspended sentence and a year's probation. Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 84)
In 1946 Malcolm was sentenced, concurrently, to several counts of armed robbery and sentenced to 8-10 years in prison at hard labor. Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 101. He entered prison in February of 1946.
By some time in 1949 he had been recruited by the Nation of Islam.
He was released on parole in 1952. Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 140)
Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 50f, details how Malcolm first got his hair "conked," and how painful it was. He continues:
But Malcolm's first look in the mirror quenched the pain, for his hair was as smooth and straight "as any white man's". It was also bright red. Now he could be prouind of the nickname "Red."
Malcolm's younger brother had red hair. (Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 80)
As Malcolm was the lightest child in the family, he felt that his father favored him; however, his mother gave him more hell for the same reason.[4] One of his nicknames, "Red," derived from the reddish tinge of his hair. He was described as having, at birth, "ash-blonde hair ... tinged with cinnamon," and at four, "reddish-blonde hair." His hair darkened as he aged, but resembled the hair of his paternal grandmother whose hair "turned reddish in the summer sun."[5] Gandydancer 01:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
It appears that the mixture of lye, potatoes, and eggs reduced the brown component of his natural hair color and let the red component shine through. P0M 03:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
This page is constantly undergoing vandalism. Unless anyone has a better idea I would like to add semi-protection (i.e. editing of this article by unregistered or newly registered users is disabled) - Robogymnast 23:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I saw that as well. I'm in agreement for the protection. JayPetey 04:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
What do you expect, he is controversial.
I am not an expert but from experience with running my home pc network i think (i am not sure) that someone may be going through (the isp listed above) network in order to have many ips to bug us. If i am wrong delete this but i am just posting what i think Jesse60905 06:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
there is a term Malcolmite for those who follow X, such as Maulana Karenga. Also this can be a cat for those who are malcolmites. need research-- HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 06:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
this section is so needed it actually would have to be a seperate page, music from PE to Spike Lee, the X hats, the slogans the poster. Did you see his quote in V for Vendetta. this needs to be a stub here and a sep article.-- HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 07:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
No I didn't. Other than the sound bite in the credits of course. But I didn't see any other quote? The book is far better than the film anyway, but I wonder if even that had any references to Malcolm. -- AYBGerrardo 12:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Why are there six links at the very bottom of this article to a single site that is reverential toward "Messenger" Elijah Muhammad? They may (or may not) be appropriate for the article on Elijah Muhammad, but they are not appropriate here. Malik Shabazz 00:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't Malcom X a rapper? Sunshine 17:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Are you sure? I remember a couple years ago, a friend of mine took too many pills and started yelling a bunch of stuff. I'm pretty sure "Malcom X is a rapper" was one of the things he said. If rap wasn't around in the mid-60's, are you denying that the Beatles were one of the first great rap duets? Sunshine 17:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not appreciate that. Doesn't you calling a fellow wikiuser a troll constitute a violation of the policy of no personal attacks?
I am not a troll, I simply want to know the facts and eliminate any confusion that I, as well as other users, may have. Sunshine 17:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Even though you are extremely wrong, you have the right not to be called a troll. PS. tell your friend to get off those pills.-- Black and Proud 04:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Re Sunshine: You're an idiot. But not a troll.
In the various Wikipedia categories, Malcolm X is listed under "X". In most non-Wikipedia references (bibliographies, encyclopedias, dictionaries, etc.), he is found under "M". Malik Shabazz 17:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I changed the reference from about the possibility of US Government involvement in Malcolm X's murder from 'Conspiracy Theories'to 'Theories'. The reason for this is beacuse by definition the fact that three people murdered malcolm X is in itself a conspiracy. The use of the term 'Conspiracy Theories'only serves to frame such theories in an unflattering light and lump them with some more ridiculous notions of conspiracy. john geraghty 23 February 11.47am GMT
It says for the "no realistic goal for a nigger" quote that it is from page 36 in the Autobiography, it is actually from page 38.
I'm not going to change it until somebody else verfies
I'll keep it as is, I didn't realize there was more than one edition, the only ones I've seen are all the same.
Thanks for the quick update.
I think that Anthony Davis's "X: The Life and Times of Malcolm X" should be mentioned in the popular culture section. 72.200.75.111 23:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Was it true that Malcolm X hated King?i read somewhere-i couldn't remember which article-that when King read his 'i have a dream speech', Malcolm answered "When he was having dreams, we Negroes were having nightmares." Could someone please clarify? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.48.215.96 ( talk) 02:56, March 17, 2007
(Moved from top of talk page)
Could one of you admin guys edit the source to at least spell his name right in all places in the text. It's Malcolm not Malcom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Notmalcom ( talk • contribs) 10:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
From the autobiography, Malcom X had a view of history that more or less blames "the white man" for all the worlds social ills. The slave trade in Africa, the hardships of this or that people, blah blah.
For instance, in one part of the Autobiography it is stated that the white man invaded northern africa and abused the Muslims there. This is true, but that part of Africa had seen a time BEFORE Islam, and Islam had rode across North Africa, conquering and converting, even getting so far as France before being pushed back by Charlemagne.
He blames the "white man" for suffering in China in another part. Yet, while he may not of even been able to know this at the time, I agree, Mao Zedong once ordered peasants to stop growing food and make steel so as to keep up with America's industrial power. 30 million people starved to death. Thats more than the Russian genocide (against the farmers who resisted collectivization) and the German Holocaust combined. Malcom X also forgets that Egyptians once held Hebrew slaves in similar bondage to America's version of African slavery, he forgets that Africans had been dealing in enslaving each other since Roman times, and that Persia once too conquered vast swaths of land and enslaved and/or oppressed people of Eurasia.
Shouldn't it be mentioned here that he was not especially accurate in his interperations of history? Or maybe in the article on the Autobiography? Any who reads the Autobiography may to believe that all white people are somehow evil, or that the culture is evil, or just generally lose sight of history.
I know some people actually do believe X's version of history: I point out that if they gave me a translator and took away all European-descendant history books and articles, I could go to the former great empires of the world and come away with the same history. Egypt kept fabulous historical accounts until Islam showed up (which still kept the books, ableit with heavy religious zeal), and going to Asia would not bring away a vastly different account at all! Hell, as someone who knows people who work in the field of Chinese history, most of what we know is either translations or archaeology!
Signed by Scryer_360, to lazy and tired to sign in. He wonders: why does the Starbucks coffee run out so fast? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.152.173.22 ( talk) 05:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC).
The section titled Malcolm X's Achievements seems to me to be calling out for the contents to be merged into the other sections. It is poorly written and doesn't really seem to be a description of his 'achievements'. I will try to take what is written there and place it elsewhere in the article. Fanra 11:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
This is a good web site for information on history.
I've archived older subjects. See the Archive box to the right of the table of contents. If any subject is archived that you feel should be continued to be discussed here, please start a new discussion on it here. Thank you. Fanra 11:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
The article is protected, so I cannot arrange it. There are a cople of misspellings of his name, Malcom instead of Malcolm. -- 83.32.68.37 08:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Malcolm's last name was Little not Large and he had nothing to do with the Ku Klux Klan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.25.90 ( talk)
it seems inherentely biased to only list Malcom X in relation to the Black Muslims in the intro's definition of his person. He was notable even after he broke with the group, and it was a out-spoken advocate for african american rights nearly on-par with Dr. King that he is generally famous as. VanTucky (talk) 05:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it may be incorrect to refer to Malcolm X as a "Black Muslim." I'm currently reading his autobiography, and he disavows that phrase numerous times; he frequently mentions it's a label invented by the press. He calls himself a Muslim and a member of the Nation of Islam, but never a "Black Muslim." Casuallyobserving 17:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed the conservative party campaign leaflet quote in the UK travels section. The source is just a generic A-level (UK college qualification) text source. If anyone can find a better source, or feels the removal was unnecessary, please feel free to put this section back.
Six articles related to the assassination of Malcolm X — Norman 3X Butler, Leon David, Talmadge Hayer, Thomas 15X Johnson, Hayer affidavits, and Wilbur McKinley — are stubs. I propose the following merger:
Please leave your thoughts or comments at Talk:Hayer affidavits#Merger proposal. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 03:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
The song "Wake Up" by Rage Against the Machine contains the line "you know they murdured X and tried to blame it on islam". Would this be relevant for the popular culture section? 71.174.94.2 06:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
"We got love for those with love for us" -- Method Man, I forget which album and song (probably Retro Godfather or Judgement Day) Method Man is in the Wu Tang Clan which is often linked to Malcolm. Said quote reflects, and I assume is directly borrowed from, Malcolm’s
"I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don't believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn't want brotherhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn't know how to return the treatment."
I don't have any sources to back up my argument AYBGerrardo 17:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I know it's debatable but surely it should say somewhere the different arguments for how he helped/hindered the movement. I know it would be hard, almost impossible, to have NPOV but there really isn't much mention of that of MLK, du Bois, etc Surely we've got to change that -- AYBGerrardo 11:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I have read some sources that said that Malcolm was more white then he was black. Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark667 ( talk • contribs) 08:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes. You are correct the "One-drop rule" has been illegal since 1967. I suspect that under modern law Malcolm X would be considered multi-racial?If so I think that it would be an important piece of information that needs to be added into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark667 ( talk • contribs) 21:17, November 22, 2007
I do not want to be responsible of putting information in the article but thanks for asking. And thanks for telling me what to do and even more importantly in the condescending way that you did it. I wanted to ask about something that I thought was important to the article so, you dont have to get all testy. I think you need to makeup with this honkie. *Mark667 gives Malik Shabazz a big hug!* (No homo of course) Mark667 ( talk) 19:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
The article seems to rely heavily on Malcolm X's memoir, but still should have more frequent citations for material coming from the book. Because it relies so much on the book, the article is rather informal in tone. Maybe some material from historians who have written about Malcolm X would be useful, too.-- Parkwells ( talk) 16:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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From reading his autobiography, he doesn't seem to be militant at all. Where does this come from? Is this NPOV?
NOT NPOV and is irrelevant to article as to opinions of how Malcolm X will be remembered. Certainly the movie will have a lasting effect on his legacy. Malcolm X is regularly assigned to high school students, incidentally. Many people remember him most specifically for his "complete" conversion to Islam that occurred after Hajj, when he discovered transcendence over racial divides.
"Speaking as a black man from America, which is a racist society. No matter how much you hear it talk about democracy it's as racist as South Africa or as racist as Portugal or as racist as any other racialist society on this earth. The only difference between it and South Africa: South Africa preaches separation and practices separation. America preaches integration and practices segregation. This is the only difference. They don't practice what they preach. Or as South Africa preaches and practices the same thing. I have more respect for a man who let me know where he stands, even if he's wrong, then one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil."
-Our Holy Brother, Frater X:.
Malcom X was worshiped for being a civil rights leader, however he was NO BETTER than the Klansmen who killed him. I will elaborate, because just as the Klan preached anti-Black (Sorry, Anti-African-American) propaganda, Malcom X preached Anti-White (Sorry, Oh wait there is no politically correct term for White people in America, maybe Anti-Caucasion) propagnda. People think Malcom X was a great man, he was not. He had a following of uneducated, uninformed people JUST LIKE HITLER AND LIKE THE KU KLUX KLAN (after it becam a hate group). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiggibr ( talk • contribs) 06:15, June 21, 2007
Mr Shabazz: I believe you fail to realize that in order to make the argument that the article is partisan or not, one must first prove whether or not it is true. The above comment was paraphrasing Malcom X's personality, therefore proving the article non-partisan. However, the use of cited quotes would be more beneficial in proving Malcom X's militant ideas. For example:
"...respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetary." http://www.cmgww.com/historic/malcolm/about/quotes_articles.htm That quote hardly needs to be explained. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.85.87 ( talk) 01:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I just finished reading Malcolm's autobiography. Him being remembered as a militant is exactly how he prophesied people would think of him after his death. He spoke the truth about American culture. Never has there been equality and never will there be equality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.238.188.213 ( talk) 05:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
And apparently there isn't any hope for it either... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.85.87 ( talk) 05:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
<meemo> I read this talk and it interested me greatly. I didn't know who Malcom X is until I watched the movie played by Denzel Washington. As a Muslim, it affected me greatly to see how Islam played a part in African American Libration. But I noticed some in correction in the Preaching of Islam. Like the Idolizing of Elijah Mohamed, because for a true Muslim Al-Rasoul Mohamed is the Last Prophet and there is no Prophet after him. After saying this, I will return to talk about Malcolm x who is the main topic here. For me I saw him as a brilliant man who was diminished in his society, until he found Libration and freedom in the great Islam. Islam gave him what he needed as a free human. He began first with a closed mind, as he hated all whites no matter what their ideals were but when he found the true meaning of Islam (going to Hajj in Mecca and finding that he was really equal to every Muslim there White or Black). He became free minded and understood that hating White people are not the answer but (loving every one no matter what his color was) is. One of Islam's main messages was equality of human being. And no matter what you may say about it, We Arab people and Muslims practice this idea. I lived in an Arab country were most of the population are white but when I see a black man I don't feel anything different. They are people to me like everyone else. In the Gulf black people are mixed with the white in one family. So you can see a man with a black skin who is a cousin to one with a white skin. I hate what I see in your own movies, shows and Medias of discrimination. There is a profound hate and I could really see there is still discrimination in every aspects of life in America. I often wondered why Afro-American people lived in these degradation lives. Why all this using of drugs and Alcohols. Why most of them live this violent life and if someone gets away from this cycle it would be by means of music or sport and not because of education. So I realized that there must be someone who intends for them to live this life and not of any fault of them. I think America was built on a lie that is freedom and equality. I am not saying that all Americans are bad, or that we Muslims are perfect (God knows that we are not!) But stop this silly idea that you are coming to us to liberate us and make our lives better. America's effects on us were not anything but bad. If you want to liberate us why don't you remove all of these dictators who command all Arabic countries? Why are you interested in the Libration of Syria and not Saudi Arabia for example? Maybe because Saudia has oil and Syria don't! I'm sorry I talked this much. To return to my point, Malcolm X was a great man who wasn't given a lot of time to show his greatness. His violence at his start did not decrement him in my opinion but showed a man who was lost until he found his way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.200.10 ( talk) 21:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Does the X signify something in particular? I assumed it didn't, until I saw the names "Norman 3X Butler, and Thomas 15X Johnson" in this article. I'm curious what the X's (and the numbers) mean.
Back in the beginnings of the creation of the Black Muslims, they tended to use "X" instead of a last name because they claimed that their true African names had been stolen via slavery, and so they had no name to use. When there were several people in the same mosque with a name, they'd be John 2X, etc. As for the 3X Butler, etc., I can't answer that one. Nowadays, Black Muslims tend to take Arabic names and don't use the "X" so much any more. Rick K 08:23, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
Also, X stands for X-drinker, X-smoker, X-Christian, etc. This is stated in the main article.
any doubts, "X" stands for unknown (as in mathematical excercises), since they couldnt really figure out what was their true last name, they prefered that it remained unknown.
It also represents the unknown. In mathematics the letter x is used as a variable to represent the unknown. Since most African Americans were/are unable to trace back to our orginal name, the X was used in its' place. Brother Malcom stated this once before.
To reiterate, the "X" means unknown and was used to indicate that the true surnames of one's ancestor was unknown and could never be known. The number before the "X", for example a person with the name "Donald 10X", would mean that there were 10 members of the same mosque with that first name. In such a case this individual would have been either the 10th person with that name to join the organization or the 10th person to drop his anglo-slave master name. NOTE: The meaning of the number could also represent the numberical value of the number generations of one's family known to have been held in bondage(e.g. "3X" means 3 generations of known slaves and no further information available). In practice typically the anglo-slavemaster surname was no longer used once the person "adopted" the new name so it would probably be incorrect to call someone "Norman 3X Bulter". It would be like calling Muhammad Ali by his birth name, Cassius Clay, so more than likely the source meant it as a backhanded insult (typical of the media in the 1960s).
--If you peruse the official Malcolm X website--administered by his estate--you will find many references to so-and-so 10X so-and-so, including that same name formation for the two men who murdered him.
It is also possible that source of mistakening it for a nickname or an alias. Therefore the source used the adopted name as a moniker and the person's legal name (Charles 'Lucky' Luciano). Again it was probably cited incorrectly by the source with the intent of being disrespectful.
== Malcolm X stated in an interview that his surname was his slave name, handed down from generation to generation. The transition to X represented a kind of liberation and rejection (more of an rejection I would imagine) of that slave name.
The Malcolm X documentry "Make it Plain" includes this interview and can be found on google video ==
In math, X could be solved by an equation. The ancestry of a african-american being "can never be unraveled", so therefore has no algebraic solution. Or does it? Recently, Oprah Winfrey's roots were partially traced back to her african tribe, though they didn't find her original last name. Is this the first step to finding the meaning of X? What exactly does the future hold?-- Black and Proud 05:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The article says that the "Autobiography of Malcolm X" was published in 1972, but this cannot be true. This was on our reading list when I was a Junior in High School in and, at that point, it was available in paperback. The NY Times reported today (14-May) that it was published in 1965, which seems likely to be correct.
There will most probably be different published versions of the book as it gets re published throughout the years, 1972 may well be a re print year?
Doesnt one have to be a muslim to perform hajj in the first place? i dont understand how he made hajj BEFORE he became a muslim.
"Angry on-lookers in the crowd caught and beat the assassins as they attempted to flee the Ballroom" - they caught them and beat them, and they were never charged for the murder? Not even their identity is mentioned in the article. ( clem 11:46, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC))
I certainly agree. Malcolm X lived in fear from the time he was outsed from the Black Muslims until the time of his death. A new article describing the deatils of the assassination as well as information about the killers and their possible motives will give anyone interested in Malcolm X's life and his influence on American culture, and the world in general a better idea of what happened and why it is important. Nickiesncream 19:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
No mention is made of a possible assassination conspiracy along the lines of MLK, RFK and JFK. Personally (since I think there was one) I think this shuld be added.
Article doesn't mention he went to prison, when, or for what. Is there an assumption that if you get "involved in drugs, ..., and robbery" in New York you automatically go to prison?
In one of his first jobs, Malcolm "was making more money putting [shoeshine] customers in touch with prostitutes than he was in polishing their shoes." (Malcolm, by Bruce Perry, p. 53.
He was apprehended pimping to a serviceman (actually an undercover policeman), but let off with a warning. (Malcolm, p. 69)
He convinced the Army that he was mentally unfit for service, and thereby evaded the draft. Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 74)
He apparently engaged in homosexual acts for money. Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 77f. See also p. 82f.)
In 1944 he stole a coat from a relative and was sentenced to a three-month suspended sentence and a year's probation. Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 84)
In 1946 Malcolm was sentenced, concurrently, to several counts of armed robbery and sentenced to 8-10 years in prison at hard labor. Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 101. He entered prison in February of 1946.
By some time in 1949 he had been recruited by the Nation of Islam.
He was released on parole in 1952. Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 140)
Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 50f, details how Malcolm first got his hair "conked," and how painful it was. He continues:
But Malcolm's first look in the mirror quenched the pain, for his hair was as smooth and straight "as any white man's". It was also bright red. Now he could be prouind of the nickname "Red."
Malcolm's younger brother had red hair. (Malcolm', by Bruce Perry, p. 80)
As Malcolm was the lightest child in the family, he felt that his father favored him; however, his mother gave him more hell for the same reason.[4] One of his nicknames, "Red," derived from the reddish tinge of his hair. He was described as having, at birth, "ash-blonde hair ... tinged with cinnamon," and at four, "reddish-blonde hair." His hair darkened as he aged, but resembled the hair of his paternal grandmother whose hair "turned reddish in the summer sun."[5] Gandydancer 01:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
It appears that the mixture of lye, potatoes, and eggs reduced the brown component of his natural hair color and let the red component shine through. P0M 03:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
This page is constantly undergoing vandalism. Unless anyone has a better idea I would like to add semi-protection (i.e. editing of this article by unregistered or newly registered users is disabled) - Robogymnast 23:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I saw that as well. I'm in agreement for the protection. JayPetey 04:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
What do you expect, he is controversial.
I am not an expert but from experience with running my home pc network i think (i am not sure) that someone may be going through (the isp listed above) network in order to have many ips to bug us. If i am wrong delete this but i am just posting what i think Jesse60905 06:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
there is a term Malcolmite for those who follow X, such as Maulana Karenga. Also this can be a cat for those who are malcolmites. need research-- HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 06:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
this section is so needed it actually would have to be a seperate page, music from PE to Spike Lee, the X hats, the slogans the poster. Did you see his quote in V for Vendetta. this needs to be a stub here and a sep article.-- HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 07:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
No I didn't. Other than the sound bite in the credits of course. But I didn't see any other quote? The book is far better than the film anyway, but I wonder if even that had any references to Malcolm. -- AYBGerrardo 12:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Why are there six links at the very bottom of this article to a single site that is reverential toward "Messenger" Elijah Muhammad? They may (or may not) be appropriate for the article on Elijah Muhammad, but they are not appropriate here. Malik Shabazz 00:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't Malcom X a rapper? Sunshine 17:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Are you sure? I remember a couple years ago, a friend of mine took too many pills and started yelling a bunch of stuff. I'm pretty sure "Malcom X is a rapper" was one of the things he said. If rap wasn't around in the mid-60's, are you denying that the Beatles were one of the first great rap duets? Sunshine 17:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not appreciate that. Doesn't you calling a fellow wikiuser a troll constitute a violation of the policy of no personal attacks?
I am not a troll, I simply want to know the facts and eliminate any confusion that I, as well as other users, may have. Sunshine 17:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Even though you are extremely wrong, you have the right not to be called a troll. PS. tell your friend to get off those pills.-- Black and Proud 04:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Re Sunshine: You're an idiot. But not a troll.
In the various Wikipedia categories, Malcolm X is listed under "X". In most non-Wikipedia references (bibliographies, encyclopedias, dictionaries, etc.), he is found under "M". Malik Shabazz 17:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I changed the reference from about the possibility of US Government involvement in Malcolm X's murder from 'Conspiracy Theories'to 'Theories'. The reason for this is beacuse by definition the fact that three people murdered malcolm X is in itself a conspiracy. The use of the term 'Conspiracy Theories'only serves to frame such theories in an unflattering light and lump them with some more ridiculous notions of conspiracy. john geraghty 23 February 11.47am GMT
It says for the "no realistic goal for a nigger" quote that it is from page 36 in the Autobiography, it is actually from page 38.
I'm not going to change it until somebody else verfies
I'll keep it as is, I didn't realize there was more than one edition, the only ones I've seen are all the same.
Thanks for the quick update.
I think that Anthony Davis's "X: The Life and Times of Malcolm X" should be mentioned in the popular culture section. 72.200.75.111 23:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Was it true that Malcolm X hated King?i read somewhere-i couldn't remember which article-that when King read his 'i have a dream speech', Malcolm answered "When he was having dreams, we Negroes were having nightmares." Could someone please clarify? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.48.215.96 ( talk) 02:56, March 17, 2007
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Could one of you admin guys edit the source to at least spell his name right in all places in the text. It's Malcolm not Malcom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Notmalcom ( talk • contribs) 10:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
From the autobiography, Malcom X had a view of history that more or less blames "the white man" for all the worlds social ills. The slave trade in Africa, the hardships of this or that people, blah blah.
For instance, in one part of the Autobiography it is stated that the white man invaded northern africa and abused the Muslims there. This is true, but that part of Africa had seen a time BEFORE Islam, and Islam had rode across North Africa, conquering and converting, even getting so far as France before being pushed back by Charlemagne.
He blames the "white man" for suffering in China in another part. Yet, while he may not of even been able to know this at the time, I agree, Mao Zedong once ordered peasants to stop growing food and make steel so as to keep up with America's industrial power. 30 million people starved to death. Thats more than the Russian genocide (against the farmers who resisted collectivization) and the German Holocaust combined. Malcom X also forgets that Egyptians once held Hebrew slaves in similar bondage to America's version of African slavery, he forgets that Africans had been dealing in enslaving each other since Roman times, and that Persia once too conquered vast swaths of land and enslaved and/or oppressed people of Eurasia.
Shouldn't it be mentioned here that he was not especially accurate in his interperations of history? Or maybe in the article on the Autobiography? Any who reads the Autobiography may to believe that all white people are somehow evil, or that the culture is evil, or just generally lose sight of history.
I know some people actually do believe X's version of history: I point out that if they gave me a translator and took away all European-descendant history books and articles, I could go to the former great empires of the world and come away with the same history. Egypt kept fabulous historical accounts until Islam showed up (which still kept the books, ableit with heavy religious zeal), and going to Asia would not bring away a vastly different account at all! Hell, as someone who knows people who work in the field of Chinese history, most of what we know is either translations or archaeology!
Signed by Scryer_360, to lazy and tired to sign in. He wonders: why does the Starbucks coffee run out so fast? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.152.173.22 ( talk) 05:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC).
The section titled Malcolm X's Achievements seems to me to be calling out for the contents to be merged into the other sections. It is poorly written and doesn't really seem to be a description of his 'achievements'. I will try to take what is written there and place it elsewhere in the article. Fanra 11:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
This is a good web site for information on history.
I've archived older subjects. See the Archive box to the right of the table of contents. If any subject is archived that you feel should be continued to be discussed here, please start a new discussion on it here. Thank you. Fanra 11:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
The article is protected, so I cannot arrange it. There are a cople of misspellings of his name, Malcom instead of Malcolm. -- 83.32.68.37 08:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Malcolm's last name was Little not Large and he had nothing to do with the Ku Klux Klan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.25.90 ( talk)
it seems inherentely biased to only list Malcom X in relation to the Black Muslims in the intro's definition of his person. He was notable even after he broke with the group, and it was a out-spoken advocate for african american rights nearly on-par with Dr. King that he is generally famous as. VanTucky (talk) 05:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it may be incorrect to refer to Malcolm X as a "Black Muslim." I'm currently reading his autobiography, and he disavows that phrase numerous times; he frequently mentions it's a label invented by the press. He calls himself a Muslim and a member of the Nation of Islam, but never a "Black Muslim." Casuallyobserving 17:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed the conservative party campaign leaflet quote in the UK travels section. The source is just a generic A-level (UK college qualification) text source. If anyone can find a better source, or feels the removal was unnecessary, please feel free to put this section back.
Six articles related to the assassination of Malcolm X — Norman 3X Butler, Leon David, Talmadge Hayer, Thomas 15X Johnson, Hayer affidavits, and Wilbur McKinley — are stubs. I propose the following merger:
Please leave your thoughts or comments at Talk:Hayer affidavits#Merger proposal. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 03:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
The song "Wake Up" by Rage Against the Machine contains the line "you know they murdured X and tried to blame it on islam". Would this be relevant for the popular culture section? 71.174.94.2 06:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
"We got love for those with love for us" -- Method Man, I forget which album and song (probably Retro Godfather or Judgement Day) Method Man is in the Wu Tang Clan which is often linked to Malcolm. Said quote reflects, and I assume is directly borrowed from, Malcolm’s
"I believe in the brotherhood of man, all men, but I don't believe in brotherhood with anybody who doesn't want brotherhood with me. I believe in treating people right, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to treat somebody right who doesn't know how to return the treatment."
I don't have any sources to back up my argument AYBGerrardo 17:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I know it's debatable but surely it should say somewhere the different arguments for how he helped/hindered the movement. I know it would be hard, almost impossible, to have NPOV but there really isn't much mention of that of MLK, du Bois, etc Surely we've got to change that -- AYBGerrardo 11:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I have read some sources that said that Malcolm was more white then he was black. Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark667 ( talk • contribs) 08:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes. You are correct the "One-drop rule" has been illegal since 1967. I suspect that under modern law Malcolm X would be considered multi-racial?If so I think that it would be an important piece of information that needs to be added into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark667 ( talk • contribs) 21:17, November 22, 2007
I do not want to be responsible of putting information in the article but thanks for asking. And thanks for telling me what to do and even more importantly in the condescending way that you did it. I wanted to ask about something that I thought was important to the article so, you dont have to get all testy. I think you need to makeup with this honkie. *Mark667 gives Malik Shabazz a big hug!* (No homo of course) Mark667 ( talk) 19:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
The article seems to rely heavily on Malcolm X's memoir, but still should have more frequent citations for material coming from the book. Because it relies so much on the book, the article is rather informal in tone. Maybe some material from historians who have written about Malcolm X would be useful, too.-- Parkwells ( talk) 16:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)