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Malcolm III of Scotland
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- Article ( | visual edit | history) · Article talk ( | history) · Watch • • GAN review not found
- Result: Article trimmed of excess fat.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
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17:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
"Depictions in fiction" section has an orange "additional citations needed" banner since Nov 2022, which should be addressed. Z1720 ( talk) 14:48, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Z1720: - is that your only concern? We've got a summary from Macbeth that should be easy to source and maybe should be shortened, a non-notable screenplay by a non-notable author held in a local reading reference library, several non-notable novels by non-notable authors, and a minor cameo in a TV show. It looks like this can be fairly easily solved by just removing the trivial unreferenced content and then sourcing/trimming the Macbeth stuff; I don't think delisting is necessary at all here unless you have further concerns with the article.
Hog Farm
Talk
00:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's my only major concern. "Margaret also gave Malcolm two daughters, Edith, who married Henry I of England, and Mary, who married Eustace III of Boulogne." is also uncited. I haven't done a search for additional sources but I think we should be OK considering that it is a GA.
Z1720 (
talk)
00:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- And I guess "and Sing, Morning Star by Jane Oliver (1949)." is sourced to two sources from a couple decades before said novel was published. I'd be inclined to purge the whole section, add a sourced single-sentence mention of the Macbeth connection somewhere else in the article, and then it's probably good to close as keep unless there's source-text integrity concerns elsewhere in the article or something. Hog Farm Talk 00:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's my only major concern. "Margaret also gave Malcolm two daughters, Edith, who married Henry I of England, and Mary, who married Eustace III of Boulogne." is also uncited. I haven't done a search for additional sources but I think we should be OK considering that it is a GA.
Z1720 (
talk)
00:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello I have an idea to add his ancestry based on these 3 genealogical sources:
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Dmitry Azikov ( talk) 09:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- What other wikipedia's do is not relevant to what the rules are here on English wikipedia. In general, we are not a genealogical source - we should not aim to present genealogical information. See WP:NOTGENEALOGY. And unsourced information is also not acceptable - please do not introduce unsourced information. And you shouldn't combine unrelated sources to produce family trees - if the sources for a subject's life do not give a four or five generation ancestral tree, then per WP:UNDUE and WP:OR, we should not combine unrelated sources to produce information that sources about a subject do not consider important about that subject. FOr David - we should report what the high quality sources provide about his ancestry The sources provided are not sources ABOUT Malcolm, they are genealogical reference books. That leaves aside the issue of using outdated sources like Burke's A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage or strictly genealogical sources like Weis (also - which edition of Weis is being referenced - there are 8 of them, after all.) Also - per this discussion, FMG (Foundation for Medieval Genealogy) is not a reliable source. Ealdgyth ( talk) 12:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ Scotland, kings https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
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Malcolm III of Scotland
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- Article ( | visual edit | history) · Article talk ( | history) · Watch • • GAN review not found
- Result: Article trimmed of excess fat.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk)
17:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
"Depictions in fiction" section has an orange "additional citations needed" banner since Nov 2022, which should be addressed. Z1720 ( talk) 14:48, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- @
Z1720: - is that your only concern? We've got a summary from Macbeth that should be easy to source and maybe should be shortened, a non-notable screenplay by a non-notable author held in a local reading reference library, several non-notable novels by non-notable authors, and a minor cameo in a TV show. It looks like this can be fairly easily solved by just removing the trivial unreferenced content and then sourcing/trimming the Macbeth stuff; I don't think delisting is necessary at all here unless you have further concerns with the article.
Hog Farm
Talk
00:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's my only major concern. "Margaret also gave Malcolm two daughters, Edith, who married Henry I of England, and Mary, who married Eustace III of Boulogne." is also uncited. I haven't done a search for additional sources but I think we should be OK considering that it is a GA.
Z1720 (
talk)
00:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- And I guess "and Sing, Morning Star by Jane Oliver (1949)." is sourced to two sources from a couple decades before said novel was published. I'd be inclined to purge the whole section, add a sourced single-sentence mention of the Macbeth connection somewhere else in the article, and then it's probably good to close as keep unless there's source-text integrity concerns elsewhere in the article or something. Hog Farm Talk 00:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's my only major concern. "Margaret also gave Malcolm two daughters, Edith, who married Henry I of England, and Mary, who married Eustace III of Boulogne." is also uncited. I haven't done a search for additional sources but I think we should be OK considering that it is a GA.
Z1720 (
talk)
00:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello I have an idea to add his ancestry based on these 3 genealogical sources:
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Dmitry Azikov ( talk) 09:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- What other wikipedia's do is not relevant to what the rules are here on English wikipedia. In general, we are not a genealogical source - we should not aim to present genealogical information. See WP:NOTGENEALOGY. And unsourced information is also not acceptable - please do not introduce unsourced information. And you shouldn't combine unrelated sources to produce family trees - if the sources for a subject's life do not give a four or five generation ancestral tree, then per WP:UNDUE and WP:OR, we should not combine unrelated sources to produce information that sources about a subject do not consider important about that subject. FOr David - we should report what the high quality sources provide about his ancestry The sources provided are not sources ABOUT Malcolm, they are genealogical reference books. That leaves aside the issue of using outdated sources like Burke's A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage or strictly genealogical sources like Weis (also - which edition of Weis is being referenced - there are 8 of them, after all.) Also - per this discussion, FMG (Foundation for Medieval Genealogy) is not a reliable source. Ealdgyth ( talk) 12:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ Scotland, kings https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
- ^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
- ^ Scotland, kings: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm
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- History good articles
- GA-Class biography articles
- GA-Class biography (royalty) articles
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- Top-importance Medieval Scotland articles
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