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The last sentence of the lead section says: "Nonetheless, Malaysia is considered to be a model of racial harmony." The sentence was added by me (see diff), and it got removed a quite number of times for two months.I am quite tired of this "racial harmony" revert war. Any comments? -- Joshua C hi e w 15:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I think that sentence should not be included. There is no proof of who made the quote, and also its best to leave out touchy comments like that one. Cavingliz
How can there be harmony if more than century old Hindu temples are destroyed? Please explain!! 62.58.72.211 12:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Just read 100yrold-temple-razed-in-malaysia 62.58.72.211 13:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Malaysians still live harmony together though there are some small racial problems. Still no racial war.. We really are live with harmony together unlike other multiracial countries. Izzudin 16:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
There is practically NO country that is multi-racial that do not have a few cases of racial discrimination among its populace.
So i do think malaysia as a country that is quite harmonious (racially)
Chessmanlau
09:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
There are 2 main versions of racial harmony in Malaysia. The Malays will claim that Malaysia is a very harmonious country & it's a model for the world. This is not surprising since the Malays benefit the most in Malaysia, especially under the NEP. The non-Malays feel otherwise since they are left out of most government policies, from government scholarships to jobs in government owned companies e.g. Petronas, Telekom & TEN. -- Dydz1776 11:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
True, true. It's actually not so bad, but it probably doesn't qualify as harmonious. I've got this friend who's into politics, always forwarding stuff he gets, and there are definitely some who are dissatisfied. The laws benifiting the Malays were set up at the time of independence to remove any Malay feelings that the Chinese and Indians were taking over the economy, the politics, etc.. It probably doesn't look so good now, especially things like allowing Malays the same grades in exams for lower marks. Even so, it's still alright. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.49.118.252 ( talk) 09:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Southeastern Asia at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Southeastern Asia whose scope would include Malaysia. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
How is East Malaysia linked to Peninsular Malaysia? There are more than 600Km of sea between them, and I'm pretty sure that air transport cannot be afforded... Are there any ferry boats? Cheers
hi, guys, i found out that Malaysia does not have any official religions. Islam is not an official religion of Malaysia according to the Article 3 of the Federal Constitution. [2] i believe Islams was said to be an official religion due to majority of malaysians are muslims. however, i would say that Kelantan's official religion is Islam as it is under the govern of PAS, which is an Islamic Party. Kelantan is also the only state where it restricts almost all the entertainment, male and female to be separated in queue while paying at counters of the supermarkets, and issueing warning to women who have been dressing little or exposing themselves in the public. For years, PAS always mention their mission is to turn Malaysia into Islamic Country. if Malaysia is already an Islamic country, i guess PAS wont declare such mission. i think it is againts the Islam as well as bringing insult if we were to compare Malaysia with the REAL Islamic countries in middle east. Mike86 12:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
“ | Islam is the religion of the Federation, but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation. | ” |
Being the religion of the federation gives it official recognition of a special status. Also, to Zack2007, no social contract was ever signed, neither by any one of the Alliance members, nor anyone of note. It's not an explicit concept, that. Whodhellknew 16:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
As it stands, Islam is still an official religion of Malaysia. The integrity of Islam is protected by the government. (there is no government organisation set up to protect other religions such as Christian etc) -- Zack2007 14:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Read WP:OR. __earth ( Talk) 08:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
conclusion, Official religion of Malaysia is Islam. But in Malaysia its self is not sure whether or not its Islam. By putting the status, official, meaning, the government adapt Islamic value into the government. For example, stop meeting when the time to pray come. -- Towaru 13:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a buildup of over 750 ambiguous links at the Malaysian disambiguation page. This is an extremely large number - actually, it is roughly double the largest number of ambiguous links of any other page on the English Wikipedia. Fixing the links requires the editor to distinguish between links that are intended to refer to Malay people from links that are intended to refer to the person's nationality or an aspect of the Malaysian nation (which should be generally be directed to this page). Can some editors who have a good understanding of the human geography of the region volunteer to correct the links? Dekimasu 05:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
10:47, 24 December 2006 Baryonic Being (Talk | contribs) m (Lots of refs now, except History section) so as I see it, BB added the refs then. Many don;t mean much, e.g. 20-25 etc Constitution of Malaysia. And some of the Time mag articles are not that relevant. Cavingliz 15:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Still looking for someone to assist on the disambiguation page. Please help! Dekimasu 14:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The problem seems to have been at Template:Malaysia-geo-stub which now points directly to Malayasia so there are now only 300 incoming links to Malaysian -- Henrygb 11:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
All the rest are done now, too. Thanks to anyone and everyone who helped. Dekimasu が... 11:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a student from Malaysia, and my teacher had came up with a topic for my oral test. I'm supposed to present a speech regarding...umm, well, I'll just put the topic/title here: "Malaysia's Role has Allowed World Peace" or the Malay equivalent, "Peranan Malaysia Mewujudkan Keamanan Dunia". Is there site whereby I can search at for the role of Malaysia? What the country does to ensure world peace? I hope someone could be kind enough to go through the bother of helping me out...thanks in advance! Cheers!! Zachary crimsonwol f 13:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC) 13:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, we arent doing anybody a homework here, plus wikipedia is not a reliable source for your homework. and second, Malaysia had done less than Iran had done toward global peace, more oftenly its just a talk, probably unilateral multilateral talks asking for the developed nation, especialy, Israel to be nice to the world.--
Towaru 18:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
if you looking for Malaysian people conducting peace operation, I think you better check out MERCY Malaysia, if you looking for Malaysian Government Army conducting peace-keeping operation, i think you better check UNIFIL (not sure if thats the right spell), or that army who went to Lebanon.--
Towaru
21:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your help!! Hey, I'm not asking anyone to do my homework for me, I'm just looking for a place to start researching. Even though Wikipedia is not really a reliable source (anyone can edit), its a good place to start. Anyway, thanks again for helping me out, I really appreciate your help, Toruwa. Zachary crimsonwol f 13:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC) 06:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
oops sorry hehe, next time, i will read carefully .-- Towaru 19:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Reading through the section on religion, I noticed that there seems to be a major problem with the percentages given in the breakdown; they appear to add up to 112%. If someone knows where to get accurate figures, then please fix this inconsistency.
147.222.24.23 03:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
"....60.4 percent of the population practiced Islam; 19.2 percent Buddhism; 9.1 percent Christianity; and 6.3 percent Hinduism. The remainder 5 percent was accounted for by other faiths, including animism, shamanism, Sikhism, Bahá'í, Taoism...."
did you mean by that percentage? 60.4 + 19.2 + 9.1 + 6.3 + 5 = 112?, oops its a hundred percent, im getting old arghh.-- Towaru 10:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I personally think that this page should be semi-protected due to excessive amounts of vandalism by IP-address users and un-established Wikipedians. The vandalism here is really getting out of control and as an alternative, the vandals should be blocked immediately for at least 6 hours before giving them a final chance on Wikipedia before being blocked indefinitely. Ac s 4b 11:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Picture of the food looks horrible. Can't someone put a more presentable one?
Is Tamil a national language or an official language ?
I added the "missing citations" tag because there are a lot of unverified statements that seem like they should be verified by third parties. Candent shlimazel 14:37, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
under demographics, the population isn't showed. someone please correct it. thanks Abdelkweli 22:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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Debate has been started at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals to see if there is interest for a WikiProject Malaysia. Chris 04:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
This article, while offering excellent historical and general data about the area, neglects mention the incomparable natural resources, especially on the island of Borneo. With that, attention should be given to the rapid destruction of the rainforest due to its abandonment to commercial interests that want its timber and convert the land to plantations that supply the rest of the world with rubber and palm oil.
A recent update to the page reverted the removal of the Jawi script for the name of Malaysia. I am not certain what is the official status of the Jawi script in Malaysia. I know it is a legitimate form of script for the Malay language and I was taught Jawi in primary school but Article 152 of the Malaysian Constitution doesn't define the script unlike Article 153A of Singapore's Constitution which defines the national language as Malay in the Roman script. Perhaps the answer is in the National Language Act 1967? Until this is clarified definitively, I'd like to suggest that the Jawi script be removed from the article by virtue that the Roman script is in common usage. - Bob K 19:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Now, the official language of Malaysia is Bahasa Malaysia, or Malaysian Language and no more Bahasa Melayu. All government and private sectors must use the term Bahasa Malaysia rather than the latter. [4]. So in order to comply with that, we should rename the official language as Bahasa Malaysia or Malaysian Language. I have seen people tried to change that but someone else will revert it. So let us have some concensus on it ok. -- Zack2007 04:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
In The Star, 15 June 2007 it said "the Cabinet decision to refer to the national language as Bahasa Malaysia rather than Bahasa Melayu. " And furter down the Wiki page on Malaysia is a bit on language which says Bahasa Malaysia Cavingliz 14:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Calling all Malaysian Wikipedians around the world!! It is high time for us to start our own WikiProject for Malaysia..any one can create/assiting me to create WikiProject Malaysia.
Zack, this is simply not true! You don't need rank to create a wikiproject. As an administrator, I can tell you that all we have over the average editor is the ability to protect and delete pages. The role of admin is simply to handle "cleanup" tasks- like deleting images that aren't used in articles anymore, et cetera. We have no "political" power over normal users. (In fact, there has been some discussion in the past to rename us as "janitors"- in my opinion, a more apt description of the post)
A lot of Wikipedia's most valuable contributors don't have adminship, and a large number of them aren't even interested in running. Please don't be discouraged to embark on big projects on Wikipedia just because you don't have adminship. Borisblue 15:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I've created a Malaysia Wikiproject here:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Malaysia. Please come along and join! It is based upon the structure and content of the Indonesian Wikiproject (
Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia). The creation of the project pages is about 75% complete, with a number of sections yet to be copied across from the Indonesia project, specifically:
I've run out of time for now to do this work, so it would be great if some other people could assist. ( Caniago 18:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC))
A blanket revert on 02:04, 13 July 2007 by Earth for "Too many leftover from vandalism in the current edition)" is not practical if it is a blanket revert that eliminates contributions from other editors. Let us hold off making such reverts and take more time to dissect any instance of vandalism from the body of text. Mister Fax 18:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Let's not overlook what Earth was attempting to do though which was to remove needless and senseless vandalism. Which I have hopefully just done myself by simply deleting the offending text. Hads78 16:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Just James wrote "The earliest inhabitants of the Malay peninsula were the orang asli or indigenous people who migrated from Siam around 2500 BC." This statement is incorrect, as archaeological evidence has shown the area was inhabited 100-200,000 years ago in the Lenggong Valley. Cavingliz 09:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't look like there is a human rights article on malaysia that I could find. Does anyone know of one? If not I might start one at some point. Bigglove 18:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
"Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" Translates more accurately into "Federating Adds Quality". Opinions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.110.33 ( talk) 03:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Nope, the old Jata Negara has the english version of "Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" on the banner. "Unity is Strength". -- Bukhrin 17:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I am confused. Every dictionary I have consulted agrees that "Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" should translate into something like "Federating Adds Quality" or at least "Unity Plus Integrity" possibly. It is hard to imagine how one gets from "Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" to "Unity is Strength".
However a quick consultation at Google indicates it is probably the first guy and I that are in the wrong. Can anybody help me out on this? Is "Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" an old fashioned Malay way of saying "Unity is Strength"? Burger Ramly is said to be "Halal, Bersih dan Bermutu" and I'm fairly sure they don't mean "Halal, Clean and Strong". Ryan Albrey 08:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Is it really: 'məleʃɑ? I thought it was 'məleiʃɑ? Arthurian Legend 03:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The recently added source are suspiciously similar to Wikipedia article:
In 2004, Minister in the Prime Minister's Department, Datuk Mustapa Mohamed, revealed that Malaysia's oil reserves stood at 4.84 billion barrels while natural gas reserves increased to 89 trillion cubic feet (2,500 km³). This was an increase of 7.2%. [31] The government estimates that at current production rates Malaysia will be able to produce oil up to 18 years and gas for 35 years. In 2004 Malaysia is ranked 24th in terms of world oil reserves and 13th for gas. 56% of the oil reserves exist in the Peninsula while 19% exist in East Malaysia. The government collects oil royalties of which 5% are passed to the states and the rest retained by the federal government. [32]
I have a feeling that the source might have copied Wikipedia. I therefore suggest we find a better source for that. __earth ( Talk) 12:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
How come nobody write " Arabization"? The country is copying the Arabian lifestyle especially costumes in school, at home, at work and anywhere. Everyday we saw Malays wearing such Arab-looking dress. Shall we write Arabization under Malaysia? Naiseroder 10:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Please do not delete the picture, we are not yet finish discussing the topic. Naiseroder 04:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
"YES" good point docboat, thanks. Arabization in Malaysia is not POV, Arabization in Malaysia is fact. Naiseroder 04:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
What is "cite your assertion"? Please clarify, I'm new to Wiki. Arabization in Malaysia is already a fact, anyone have eyes can see the Malays dressing like the Arabian. If you want, I can go out shoot some photos of Malays (wearing like Arabian) and upload here to proof to you? Naiseroder 05:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Anyway, Arabization in Malaysia deserved mention in the article Malaysia, that's my point. Regardless of this Wiki POV or NPOV picture whatsoever. Naiseroder 05:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
reply to docboat, Arabization in Malaysia is not a term I invent for fun or trolling, I actually read it in local Malaysia newspaper (some ministers scolded the Malays wearing Arab dress), I too saw Malay women/men wearing it. Naiseroder 05:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, here is Arabization of Malay, from Malaysia newspaper: "In the appeal in 2006 by three schoolboys who had been expelled after they refused to remove their turban, Justice Abdul Hamid ruled that Islam was not about serban and beard. "I accept that the Prophet wore a turban. But he also rode a camel, built his house and mosque with clay walls and roof of leaves of date palms and brushed his teeth with the twig of a plant. Does that make riding a camel a more pious deed than travelling in an aeroplane?" He had added that the pupils were only restricted from wearing the serban as part of the school uniform but not at other times. In a landmark decision as election judge in 1995, Justice Abdul Hamid ruled that the validity of the electoral roll could not be challenged in an election petition after they had been duly displayed and gazetted. Justice Abdul Hamid ruled that a petition should challenge the manner in which an election was conducted and was not to dispute the names of the rolls after they had been gazetted." http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/default.aspx?query=serban ( AbJeanne 04:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)).
Arabization is not only about wearing Arab dress, see article Malaysian name "Malay names are often drawn from Arabic and follow some Arabic naming customs, although some names have Malay, Javanese or Sanskrit origin." In Malaysia, there are some 10 million++ Malays using Arabic names. In Indonesia, they preserved the traditional names, ie: Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Megawati Sukarnoputri... KCKaySee 10:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm, do I see socket-puppetry here? __earth ( Talk) 12:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello __earth, look at the mess you did to the Wiki-discussion. OK, first, you replied to Naiseroder: "You may have your own opinion and you are welcome to have it..." and then you said "This certainly not a place for a debate that you sought. I suggest you visit some public forum out there." (Do we all notice your self-contradiction?) You are the one who said "you are welcome to have it" and so I gave my opinion together with the support from reliable source.
You said: "By cite, it means by providing reliable sources from well-established reports...." OK I saw this reliable source http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/default.aspx?query=serban posted by ( AbJeanne and I replied to it but you said I made no sense and you start pointing at my grammar. KCKaySee 04:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia: 1. " Islamization or Islamification means the process of a society's conversion to the religion of Islam..." 2. " Arabization describes a growing cultural influence on a non-Arab area that gradually changes into one that speaks Arabic and/or incorporates Arab culture...."
Islamization-Malay/Malaysia is already history. Now we are looking at Arabization "gradually....incorporates Arab culture". Zack2007 wrote: "We have Arab names because of Islam", ok, how do you explain Indonesia not make compulsory the Indon-muslims a must using Arabic names? Why Indon-muslims preserve original names and why most Malaysia-muslims lost original names?
"A reliable source does not include a newspaper of a government expelling 3 students wearing a serban" I believe this is your personal POV, how can Malaysia's best selling local newspaper not a reliable source? KCKaySee 05:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
__earth wrote: "but the bottom line is, Wikipedia doesn't care about your or my personal opinion on the issue.", so if Wikipedia doestn't care, why you care so much? KCKaySee 05:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Arabization in Malaysia includes: * 1.Malay names * 2.Wearing Arab dress * 3.Foods - lamb, beef, halal foods, Islamic dietary laws, dates, etc. Lamb & beef are not main Malay foods before Islam/Arab arrived. * 4.Dance - ( Zapin (Jawi:زافين) is a dance form which is popular in Malaysia especially in the state of Johor. It is believed to have been introduced by Muslim missionaries from the Middle East in the 14th century.) * 5. Mak Yong is traditional dance drama of Kelantan, Malaysia. According to UNESCO, Mak Yong appeared well before the Islamization of the country but was banned in the year 1991 after the Islamic Party of Malaysia took control of the state. Malaysia did this to Wayang Kulit too. * 7. and many more I afraid. KCKaySee 06:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Blog by Hafiz Noor Shams December 27th, 2005 http://maddruid.com/?p=697 "Of Arabs aren’t Malays and Malays aren’t Arabs ...I overheard a conversation between two Muslim Malay males, both were draped in Arabic dressing. The conversation was about westernized Malays. I wasn’t sure if they were talking about me in particular though I was wearing a Michigan cap, a cargo pant and a bright shirt while my mp3 player was valiantly trying to entertain me until it ran out of juice. And it died out exactly when the conversation started to get interesting. Before that, I didn’t eavesdrop on purpose - situation forced me to be where I was. One of the two friends was lamenting on how the Malay society is rapidly being westernized at the expense of the Malay culture (tag). The person went on further by stating sooner or later, Malay culture would die out with morality and god phrased out by burgers and pizzas, g-strings and bikinis. The other one agreed and began lambasting how inferior western cultures and moral are compared to Islam’s. It was odd how they used the term Malay and Islamic culture interchangeably. Soon enough, as I followed the conversation quietly while tending to my cool wound, I realized that the Malay culture they were talking about was really Arabic culture. They made no distinction between Malay, Arab and Islam. I rolled my eyes upon that discovery and felt how oxymoronic the situation at hand was. They were talking about the Malays abandoning Malay culture while they themselves were wearing something not Malay but entirely Arabic...."
Is that you Earth? You wrote that yourself and now you denied entirely. KCKaySee 07:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Local newspaper + Your own blog written by you + many related Wiki articles, and you still insist that was my personal opinion. You and I share the same opinion based on what you wrote, how can you say it was my personal opinion? KCKaySee 08:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
"I would like to address the matter of Arabianisation slowly creeping into and destroying the ancient and rich heritage of the Malays of this world where some Malays either out of religious inclinations or just plain ignorant to know how to differentiate between cultural assimilations and just copying each and every bit of the Arabian way of life....This Arabianisation is slowly eroding the Malay culture and norms. I for one think it's not right....The advent of the wearing of the 'tudung' here in Malaysia started with the 'Jama'ah Al Arqam' a movement started by Hj Ashaari Muhammad who started to dress in the signature Al- Arqam green robes and turbans, which was followed by his male followers and the all encompassing black colored or sombre looking robes by the female Al Arqam Muslimahs and their unique 'tudung labuh's', a longer form of tudung that distinguishes them from the ordinary Muslim females. Before the advent of the Jama'ah al Arqam led by Ustaz Hj Ashaari, the general Malay populations dressed as the ordinary people of those times. The ladies used to go about bareheaded or with hairdo's like beehives. Perms and coiffures were the fashions of the day and they used to compete with each other as to who had the latest hairdo's etcetera. This is a reality that the Malays must accept. That the Arqam folks have caused a revolution in their life....a bit discomforting is to see the culture of the Malays fast being eroded by the creeping in of the Arabian way of dressing into the mainstream way of life that we have enjoyed all these years here in Malaysia....I am all for the raising of our kids properly and teaching them to cover their modesty well and all that but why do we have to dress them as Arabs?....We are Malays and no matter if we dress ourselves with Arabian garb, we will always still be Malays!..." http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html This is a good reliable source about Arabization in Malaysia KCKaySee 11:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
That is your personal opinion. Not everyone think like you, user __earth share the same view as me (read what he wrote in http://maddruid.com/?p=697). KCKaySee 12:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Let's count, I have at least 5 Malaysians supported this view (including Justice Abdul Hamid, Malaysian bloggers, Wiki-Users). And we have only one, one Zack2007 opposed. KCKaySee 12:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
__earth wrote: "I do not agree to including opinion into Wikipedia article. In fact, most people here disagree with your effort to include opinion into Wikipedia." You are confused, I said you shared same opinion with me in your blog, I did not say you agreed including opinion into Wikipedia. So you are confused, not me. In fact most people agree with Arabization in Malaysia and Arabized-Malays (you wrote in your blog). As for docboat, sorry I don't understand what you talking about, too many RFC SPA codes, but I know you want to report me to admin which I think is unreasonable because I have local newspaper and bloggers supporting and sharing the same viewpoint as me including __earth.
Anyway, I will send this entire discussion to some international forums so that other peoples can see it and discuss. I will collect enough reliable sources, books, etc and come back to start article Arabization in Malaysia. KCKaySee 02:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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The last sentence of the lead section says: "Nonetheless, Malaysia is considered to be a model of racial harmony." The sentence was added by me (see diff), and it got removed a quite number of times for two months.I am quite tired of this "racial harmony" revert war. Any comments? -- Joshua C hi e w 15:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I think that sentence should not be included. There is no proof of who made the quote, and also its best to leave out touchy comments like that one. Cavingliz
How can there be harmony if more than century old Hindu temples are destroyed? Please explain!! 62.58.72.211 12:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Just read 100yrold-temple-razed-in-malaysia 62.58.72.211 13:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Malaysians still live harmony together though there are some small racial problems. Still no racial war.. We really are live with harmony together unlike other multiracial countries. Izzudin 16:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
There is practically NO country that is multi-racial that do not have a few cases of racial discrimination among its populace.
So i do think malaysia as a country that is quite harmonious (racially)
Chessmanlau
09:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
There are 2 main versions of racial harmony in Malaysia. The Malays will claim that Malaysia is a very harmonious country & it's a model for the world. This is not surprising since the Malays benefit the most in Malaysia, especially under the NEP. The non-Malays feel otherwise since they are left out of most government policies, from government scholarships to jobs in government owned companies e.g. Petronas, Telekom & TEN. -- Dydz1776 11:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
True, true. It's actually not so bad, but it probably doesn't qualify as harmonious. I've got this friend who's into politics, always forwarding stuff he gets, and there are definitely some who are dissatisfied. The laws benifiting the Malays were set up at the time of independence to remove any Malay feelings that the Chinese and Indians were taking over the economy, the politics, etc.. It probably doesn't look so good now, especially things like allowing Malays the same grades in exams for lower marks. Even so, it's still alright. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.49.118.252 ( talk) 09:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Southeastern Asia at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Southeastern Asia whose scope would include Malaysia. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
How is East Malaysia linked to Peninsular Malaysia? There are more than 600Km of sea between them, and I'm pretty sure that air transport cannot be afforded... Are there any ferry boats? Cheers
hi, guys, i found out that Malaysia does not have any official religions. Islam is not an official religion of Malaysia according to the Article 3 of the Federal Constitution. [2] i believe Islams was said to be an official religion due to majority of malaysians are muslims. however, i would say that Kelantan's official religion is Islam as it is under the govern of PAS, which is an Islamic Party. Kelantan is also the only state where it restricts almost all the entertainment, male and female to be separated in queue while paying at counters of the supermarkets, and issueing warning to women who have been dressing little or exposing themselves in the public. For years, PAS always mention their mission is to turn Malaysia into Islamic Country. if Malaysia is already an Islamic country, i guess PAS wont declare such mission. i think it is againts the Islam as well as bringing insult if we were to compare Malaysia with the REAL Islamic countries in middle east. Mike86 12:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
“ | Islam is the religion of the Federation, but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation. | ” |
Being the religion of the federation gives it official recognition of a special status. Also, to Zack2007, no social contract was ever signed, neither by any one of the Alliance members, nor anyone of note. It's not an explicit concept, that. Whodhellknew 16:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
As it stands, Islam is still an official religion of Malaysia. The integrity of Islam is protected by the government. (there is no government organisation set up to protect other religions such as Christian etc) -- Zack2007 14:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Read WP:OR. __earth ( Talk) 08:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
conclusion, Official religion of Malaysia is Islam. But in Malaysia its self is not sure whether or not its Islam. By putting the status, official, meaning, the government adapt Islamic value into the government. For example, stop meeting when the time to pray come. -- Towaru 13:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a buildup of over 750 ambiguous links at the Malaysian disambiguation page. This is an extremely large number - actually, it is roughly double the largest number of ambiguous links of any other page on the English Wikipedia. Fixing the links requires the editor to distinguish between links that are intended to refer to Malay people from links that are intended to refer to the person's nationality or an aspect of the Malaysian nation (which should be generally be directed to this page). Can some editors who have a good understanding of the human geography of the region volunteer to correct the links? Dekimasu 05:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
10:47, 24 December 2006 Baryonic Being (Talk | contribs) m (Lots of refs now, except History section) so as I see it, BB added the refs then. Many don;t mean much, e.g. 20-25 etc Constitution of Malaysia. And some of the Time mag articles are not that relevant. Cavingliz 15:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Still looking for someone to assist on the disambiguation page. Please help! Dekimasu 14:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The problem seems to have been at Template:Malaysia-geo-stub which now points directly to Malayasia so there are now only 300 incoming links to Malaysian -- Henrygb 11:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
All the rest are done now, too. Thanks to anyone and everyone who helped. Dekimasu が... 11:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a student from Malaysia, and my teacher had came up with a topic for my oral test. I'm supposed to present a speech regarding...umm, well, I'll just put the topic/title here: "Malaysia's Role has Allowed World Peace" or the Malay equivalent, "Peranan Malaysia Mewujudkan Keamanan Dunia". Is there site whereby I can search at for the role of Malaysia? What the country does to ensure world peace? I hope someone could be kind enough to go through the bother of helping me out...thanks in advance! Cheers!! Zachary crimsonwol f 13:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC) 13:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, we arent doing anybody a homework here, plus wikipedia is not a reliable source for your homework. and second, Malaysia had done less than Iran had done toward global peace, more oftenly its just a talk, probably unilateral multilateral talks asking for the developed nation, especialy, Israel to be nice to the world.--
Towaru 18:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
if you looking for Malaysian people conducting peace operation, I think you better check out MERCY Malaysia, if you looking for Malaysian Government Army conducting peace-keeping operation, i think you better check UNIFIL (not sure if thats the right spell), or that army who went to Lebanon.--
Towaru
21:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your help!! Hey, I'm not asking anyone to do my homework for me, I'm just looking for a place to start researching. Even though Wikipedia is not really a reliable source (anyone can edit), its a good place to start. Anyway, thanks again for helping me out, I really appreciate your help, Toruwa. Zachary crimsonwol f 13:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC) 06:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
oops sorry hehe, next time, i will read carefully .-- Towaru 19:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Reading through the section on religion, I noticed that there seems to be a major problem with the percentages given in the breakdown; they appear to add up to 112%. If someone knows where to get accurate figures, then please fix this inconsistency.
147.222.24.23 03:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
"....60.4 percent of the population practiced Islam; 19.2 percent Buddhism; 9.1 percent Christianity; and 6.3 percent Hinduism. The remainder 5 percent was accounted for by other faiths, including animism, shamanism, Sikhism, Bahá'í, Taoism...."
did you mean by that percentage? 60.4 + 19.2 + 9.1 + 6.3 + 5 = 112?, oops its a hundred percent, im getting old arghh.-- Towaru 10:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I personally think that this page should be semi-protected due to excessive amounts of vandalism by IP-address users and un-established Wikipedians. The vandalism here is really getting out of control and as an alternative, the vandals should be blocked immediately for at least 6 hours before giving them a final chance on Wikipedia before being blocked indefinitely. Ac s 4b 11:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Picture of the food looks horrible. Can't someone put a more presentable one?
Is Tamil a national language or an official language ?
I added the "missing citations" tag because there are a lot of unverified statements that seem like they should be verified by third parties. Candent shlimazel 14:37, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
under demographics, the population isn't showed. someone please correct it. thanks Abdelkweli 22:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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Debate has been started at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals to see if there is interest for a WikiProject Malaysia. Chris 04:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
This article, while offering excellent historical and general data about the area, neglects mention the incomparable natural resources, especially on the island of Borneo. With that, attention should be given to the rapid destruction of the rainforest due to its abandonment to commercial interests that want its timber and convert the land to plantations that supply the rest of the world with rubber and palm oil.
A recent update to the page reverted the removal of the Jawi script for the name of Malaysia. I am not certain what is the official status of the Jawi script in Malaysia. I know it is a legitimate form of script for the Malay language and I was taught Jawi in primary school but Article 152 of the Malaysian Constitution doesn't define the script unlike Article 153A of Singapore's Constitution which defines the national language as Malay in the Roman script. Perhaps the answer is in the National Language Act 1967? Until this is clarified definitively, I'd like to suggest that the Jawi script be removed from the article by virtue that the Roman script is in common usage. - Bob K 19:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Now, the official language of Malaysia is Bahasa Malaysia, or Malaysian Language and no more Bahasa Melayu. All government and private sectors must use the term Bahasa Malaysia rather than the latter. [4]. So in order to comply with that, we should rename the official language as Bahasa Malaysia or Malaysian Language. I have seen people tried to change that but someone else will revert it. So let us have some concensus on it ok. -- Zack2007 04:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
In The Star, 15 June 2007 it said "the Cabinet decision to refer to the national language as Bahasa Malaysia rather than Bahasa Melayu. " And furter down the Wiki page on Malaysia is a bit on language which says Bahasa Malaysia Cavingliz 14:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Calling all Malaysian Wikipedians around the world!! It is high time for us to start our own WikiProject for Malaysia..any one can create/assiting me to create WikiProject Malaysia.
Zack, this is simply not true! You don't need rank to create a wikiproject. As an administrator, I can tell you that all we have over the average editor is the ability to protect and delete pages. The role of admin is simply to handle "cleanup" tasks- like deleting images that aren't used in articles anymore, et cetera. We have no "political" power over normal users. (In fact, there has been some discussion in the past to rename us as "janitors"- in my opinion, a more apt description of the post)
A lot of Wikipedia's most valuable contributors don't have adminship, and a large number of them aren't even interested in running. Please don't be discouraged to embark on big projects on Wikipedia just because you don't have adminship. Borisblue 15:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I've created a Malaysia Wikiproject here:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Malaysia. Please come along and join! It is based upon the structure and content of the Indonesian Wikiproject (
Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia). The creation of the project pages is about 75% complete, with a number of sections yet to be copied across from the Indonesia project, specifically:
I've run out of time for now to do this work, so it would be great if some other people could assist. ( Caniago 18:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC))
A blanket revert on 02:04, 13 July 2007 by Earth for "Too many leftover from vandalism in the current edition)" is not practical if it is a blanket revert that eliminates contributions from other editors. Let us hold off making such reverts and take more time to dissect any instance of vandalism from the body of text. Mister Fax 18:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Let's not overlook what Earth was attempting to do though which was to remove needless and senseless vandalism. Which I have hopefully just done myself by simply deleting the offending text. Hads78 16:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Just James wrote "The earliest inhabitants of the Malay peninsula were the orang asli or indigenous people who migrated from Siam around 2500 BC." This statement is incorrect, as archaeological evidence has shown the area was inhabited 100-200,000 years ago in the Lenggong Valley. Cavingliz 09:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't look like there is a human rights article on malaysia that I could find. Does anyone know of one? If not I might start one at some point. Bigglove 18:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
"Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" Translates more accurately into "Federating Adds Quality". Opinions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.110.33 ( talk) 03:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Nope, the old Jata Negara has the english version of "Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" on the banner. "Unity is Strength". -- Bukhrin 17:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I am confused. Every dictionary I have consulted agrees that "Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" should translate into something like "Federating Adds Quality" or at least "Unity Plus Integrity" possibly. It is hard to imagine how one gets from "Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" to "Unity is Strength".
However a quick consultation at Google indicates it is probably the first guy and I that are in the wrong. Can anybody help me out on this? Is "Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" an old fashioned Malay way of saying "Unity is Strength"? Burger Ramly is said to be "Halal, Bersih dan Bermutu" and I'm fairly sure they don't mean "Halal, Clean and Strong". Ryan Albrey 08:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Is it really: 'məleʃɑ? I thought it was 'məleiʃɑ? Arthurian Legend 03:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The recently added source are suspiciously similar to Wikipedia article:
In 2004, Minister in the Prime Minister's Department, Datuk Mustapa Mohamed, revealed that Malaysia's oil reserves stood at 4.84 billion barrels while natural gas reserves increased to 89 trillion cubic feet (2,500 km³). This was an increase of 7.2%. [31] The government estimates that at current production rates Malaysia will be able to produce oil up to 18 years and gas for 35 years. In 2004 Malaysia is ranked 24th in terms of world oil reserves and 13th for gas. 56% of the oil reserves exist in the Peninsula while 19% exist in East Malaysia. The government collects oil royalties of which 5% are passed to the states and the rest retained by the federal government. [32]
I have a feeling that the source might have copied Wikipedia. I therefore suggest we find a better source for that. __earth ( Talk) 12:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
How come nobody write " Arabization"? The country is copying the Arabian lifestyle especially costumes in school, at home, at work and anywhere. Everyday we saw Malays wearing such Arab-looking dress. Shall we write Arabization under Malaysia? Naiseroder 10:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Please do not delete the picture, we are not yet finish discussing the topic. Naiseroder 04:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
"YES" good point docboat, thanks. Arabization in Malaysia is not POV, Arabization in Malaysia is fact. Naiseroder 04:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
What is "cite your assertion"? Please clarify, I'm new to Wiki. Arabization in Malaysia is already a fact, anyone have eyes can see the Malays dressing like the Arabian. If you want, I can go out shoot some photos of Malays (wearing like Arabian) and upload here to proof to you? Naiseroder 05:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Anyway, Arabization in Malaysia deserved mention in the article Malaysia, that's my point. Regardless of this Wiki POV or NPOV picture whatsoever. Naiseroder 05:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
reply to docboat, Arabization in Malaysia is not a term I invent for fun or trolling, I actually read it in local Malaysia newspaper (some ministers scolded the Malays wearing Arab dress), I too saw Malay women/men wearing it. Naiseroder 05:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, here is Arabization of Malay, from Malaysia newspaper: "In the appeal in 2006 by three schoolboys who had been expelled after they refused to remove their turban, Justice Abdul Hamid ruled that Islam was not about serban and beard. "I accept that the Prophet wore a turban. But he also rode a camel, built his house and mosque with clay walls and roof of leaves of date palms and brushed his teeth with the twig of a plant. Does that make riding a camel a more pious deed than travelling in an aeroplane?" He had added that the pupils were only restricted from wearing the serban as part of the school uniform but not at other times. In a landmark decision as election judge in 1995, Justice Abdul Hamid ruled that the validity of the electoral roll could not be challenged in an election petition after they had been duly displayed and gazetted. Justice Abdul Hamid ruled that a petition should challenge the manner in which an election was conducted and was not to dispute the names of the rolls after they had been gazetted." http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/default.aspx?query=serban ( AbJeanne 04:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)).
Arabization is not only about wearing Arab dress, see article Malaysian name "Malay names are often drawn from Arabic and follow some Arabic naming customs, although some names have Malay, Javanese or Sanskrit origin." In Malaysia, there are some 10 million++ Malays using Arabic names. In Indonesia, they preserved the traditional names, ie: Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Megawati Sukarnoputri... KCKaySee 10:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm, do I see socket-puppetry here? __earth ( Talk) 12:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello __earth, look at the mess you did to the Wiki-discussion. OK, first, you replied to Naiseroder: "You may have your own opinion and you are welcome to have it..." and then you said "This certainly not a place for a debate that you sought. I suggest you visit some public forum out there." (Do we all notice your self-contradiction?) You are the one who said "you are welcome to have it" and so I gave my opinion together with the support from reliable source.
You said: "By cite, it means by providing reliable sources from well-established reports...." OK I saw this reliable source http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/default.aspx?query=serban posted by ( AbJeanne and I replied to it but you said I made no sense and you start pointing at my grammar. KCKaySee 04:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia: 1. " Islamization or Islamification means the process of a society's conversion to the religion of Islam..." 2. " Arabization describes a growing cultural influence on a non-Arab area that gradually changes into one that speaks Arabic and/or incorporates Arab culture...."
Islamization-Malay/Malaysia is already history. Now we are looking at Arabization "gradually....incorporates Arab culture". Zack2007 wrote: "We have Arab names because of Islam", ok, how do you explain Indonesia not make compulsory the Indon-muslims a must using Arabic names? Why Indon-muslims preserve original names and why most Malaysia-muslims lost original names?
"A reliable source does not include a newspaper of a government expelling 3 students wearing a serban" I believe this is your personal POV, how can Malaysia's best selling local newspaper not a reliable source? KCKaySee 05:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
__earth wrote: "but the bottom line is, Wikipedia doesn't care about your or my personal opinion on the issue.", so if Wikipedia doestn't care, why you care so much? KCKaySee 05:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Arabization in Malaysia includes: * 1.Malay names * 2.Wearing Arab dress * 3.Foods - lamb, beef, halal foods, Islamic dietary laws, dates, etc. Lamb & beef are not main Malay foods before Islam/Arab arrived. * 4.Dance - ( Zapin (Jawi:زافين) is a dance form which is popular in Malaysia especially in the state of Johor. It is believed to have been introduced by Muslim missionaries from the Middle East in the 14th century.) * 5. Mak Yong is traditional dance drama of Kelantan, Malaysia. According to UNESCO, Mak Yong appeared well before the Islamization of the country but was banned in the year 1991 after the Islamic Party of Malaysia took control of the state. Malaysia did this to Wayang Kulit too. * 7. and many more I afraid. KCKaySee 06:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Blog by Hafiz Noor Shams December 27th, 2005 http://maddruid.com/?p=697 "Of Arabs aren’t Malays and Malays aren’t Arabs ...I overheard a conversation between two Muslim Malay males, both were draped in Arabic dressing. The conversation was about westernized Malays. I wasn’t sure if they were talking about me in particular though I was wearing a Michigan cap, a cargo pant and a bright shirt while my mp3 player was valiantly trying to entertain me until it ran out of juice. And it died out exactly when the conversation started to get interesting. Before that, I didn’t eavesdrop on purpose - situation forced me to be where I was. One of the two friends was lamenting on how the Malay society is rapidly being westernized at the expense of the Malay culture (tag). The person went on further by stating sooner or later, Malay culture would die out with morality and god phrased out by burgers and pizzas, g-strings and bikinis. The other one agreed and began lambasting how inferior western cultures and moral are compared to Islam’s. It was odd how they used the term Malay and Islamic culture interchangeably. Soon enough, as I followed the conversation quietly while tending to my cool wound, I realized that the Malay culture they were talking about was really Arabic culture. They made no distinction between Malay, Arab and Islam. I rolled my eyes upon that discovery and felt how oxymoronic the situation at hand was. They were talking about the Malays abandoning Malay culture while they themselves were wearing something not Malay but entirely Arabic...."
Is that you Earth? You wrote that yourself and now you denied entirely. KCKaySee 07:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Local newspaper + Your own blog written by you + many related Wiki articles, and you still insist that was my personal opinion. You and I share the same opinion based on what you wrote, how can you say it was my personal opinion? KCKaySee 08:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
"I would like to address the matter of Arabianisation slowly creeping into and destroying the ancient and rich heritage of the Malays of this world where some Malays either out of religious inclinations or just plain ignorant to know how to differentiate between cultural assimilations and just copying each and every bit of the Arabian way of life....This Arabianisation is slowly eroding the Malay culture and norms. I for one think it's not right....The advent of the wearing of the 'tudung' here in Malaysia started with the 'Jama'ah Al Arqam' a movement started by Hj Ashaari Muhammad who started to dress in the signature Al- Arqam green robes and turbans, which was followed by his male followers and the all encompassing black colored or sombre looking robes by the female Al Arqam Muslimahs and their unique 'tudung labuh's', a longer form of tudung that distinguishes them from the ordinary Muslim females. Before the advent of the Jama'ah al Arqam led by Ustaz Hj Ashaari, the general Malay populations dressed as the ordinary people of those times. The ladies used to go about bareheaded or with hairdo's like beehives. Perms and coiffures were the fashions of the day and they used to compete with each other as to who had the latest hairdo's etcetera. This is a reality that the Malays must accept. That the Arqam folks have caused a revolution in their life....a bit discomforting is to see the culture of the Malays fast being eroded by the creeping in of the Arabian way of dressing into the mainstream way of life that we have enjoyed all these years here in Malaysia....I am all for the raising of our kids properly and teaching them to cover their modesty well and all that but why do we have to dress them as Arabs?....We are Malays and no matter if we dress ourselves with Arabian garb, we will always still be Malays!..." http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html This is a good reliable source about Arabization in Malaysia KCKaySee 11:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
That is your personal opinion. Not everyone think like you, user __earth share the same view as me (read what he wrote in http://maddruid.com/?p=697). KCKaySee 12:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Let's count, I have at least 5 Malaysians supported this view (including Justice Abdul Hamid, Malaysian bloggers, Wiki-Users). And we have only one, one Zack2007 opposed. KCKaySee 12:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
__earth wrote: "I do not agree to including opinion into Wikipedia article. In fact, most people here disagree with your effort to include opinion into Wikipedia." You are confused, I said you shared same opinion with me in your blog, I did not say you agreed including opinion into Wikipedia. So you are confused, not me. In fact most people agree with Arabization in Malaysia and Arabized-Malays (you wrote in your blog). As for docboat, sorry I don't understand what you talking about, too many RFC SPA codes, but I know you want to report me to admin which I think is unreasonable because I have local newspaper and bloggers supporting and sharing the same viewpoint as me including __earth.
Anyway, I will send this entire discussion to some international forums so that other peoples can see it and discuss. I will collect enough reliable sources, books, etc and come back to start article Arabization in Malaysia. KCKaySee 02:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)