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The Selected anniversaries shows;
A little more info is needed here. Wikipedia's own article on sati states;"The view of sati as a core practice of Hinduism, including the idea that it was compulsory, continues to be held and disseminated by various groups today, some within India, and many in the rest of the world. In recent years in Poland, criticisms and attacks by Catholics on the Hare Krishna movement in that country included charges that they planned to introduce sati into Europe[34]. The practice is often quoted as the ultimate example of the subjection of women, and this sometimes provokes resentment and criticisms from Hindus and Indians.[35]"
This is widely misunderstood issue. When mentioning sati, it would be would be good practice to also mention three other points; 1) Sati has remained illegal in India from 1829 to present & the law is vigorously enforced. 2) When one considers modern India as a nation of nearly a billion people, it is extremely rare. 3) The thought is completely insane.
Perhaps the text could read;
Veej 13:51, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Sati was never practised all over India. i live in india
The article was incorrect (I've fixed it). Marquette only camped in the future Chicago, he founded no permanent settlement there. Jean-Baptiste Pointe du Sable was the first settler, over a century later. -- Dhartung | Talk 23:19, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
who selects the featured article? i think its sort of lame for it to be used to hype the courtny cox movie , or some crappy sitcom. is this really what wikipeadia should be about? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.150.253.56 ( talk • contribs) .
I agree with Dhartung, also, if you are going to be critical, please attempt proper spelling while you are about it. Literacy is a great thing. Zashera
Delicious reading!
I agree with the initial poster. This article, while 'fantastic', is clearly written by her agent's inern.
I think there are too many elections in the news section. If the idea is to link to articles, it only exposes a narrow range of them. Bhoeble 01:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
With regards to the featured articles for the next three days- Arrested Development, Roy Orbison and Michel Foucault- I'd like to voice my strong objection to using any fair-use images on the main page, except for rare circumstances like important news stories. ( previous discussions). -- Duk 03:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
The Fifth Republic Movement won 114 seats, not 115. Descendall 15:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
The section in DYK about the vessel used to transport Churchill's body might be better said by replacing vessel with "ship". When I first read the DYK I thought of vessel as in a Cauldron or some ceremonial sarcophagus, not a ship. -- Syrthiss 16:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
A smaller vessel than a ship was used. Vessel is a more general term than ship. They are not synonyms. As part of Churchill's state funeral, his body was transported on the River Thames in the vessel named Havengore, described as a launch or barge. See for example [1] and [2] -- Zeminkaya 14:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Can it be modified as it is here, seeing how "has typical presentation distinctions of a documentary, such as narration style, etc. etc." is better than "complete with narration, etc. etc." - "complete with" sounds really informal, hyped and lazy. -- Natalinasmpf 21:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Except for certain ancient figures, possessive names are formed with as apostophe plus "s". Please fix Hugo Chavez. Thanks. Nelson Ricardo 01:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm French and I'm confused. Of couse I'm sad for the person made dirty with such accusations. And I'm also sad for eventual consequences on Wikipedia. This site is the most beautiful thing the Web can offer. The concrete ideal of regrouping and sharing everyone's knowledge in a perfect way of empathy.
There are always people who think they know, though they can be very wrong. And there are always bad-acting ones. And as any research on the Net, one have to cross and check information, as though Wiki is an encyclopedia, it is done by its users... with the risk that some may be wrong, the same way that any personal website may contain mistakes.
But as far as I know, this has been made by a kidding idiot who added those false facts to an existing article. He could have as well done it in any other website, or by throwing any hoax.
So I hope there will be no harm to Wiki, that every mistake can be noticed and fixed but that everyone is aware that the concept itself, though idealistic, is not pure utopia and works very well as far as one knows there can be mistakes... or "mis-acting". I wish good luck to Wikipedia, keep your integrity and your way of working !
Eric, FRANCE
It's all over the IT-news 1, 2, 3, and more besides, but it isn't on Wikinews...just a little ironic. -- Chinfo 02:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Not covered here? The children of the shoemaker walk barefoot. patsw 17:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
This is starting to turn out ugly USA Today's take on Wikipedia. Honestly they're (specifically this Siegenthaler guy) making a really huge deal out of this incident, as if it's the first time it had happened.-- Chinfo 13:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone think this is just a way for this guy to get his name back in lights? Feelings? Please, he's a journalist. (unsigned)
It is born of ignorance, he COULD have edited it and changed it at anytime. Dominick (TALK) 18:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
It is born of ignorance, he COULD have edited it and changed it at anytime.
Why should it be his responsibility? Maybe (God forbid!) he'd never heard of Wikipedia or maybe he had something better to do with his time than patrol his entry. The fact that he wasn't interested in playing editor doesn't excuse posting a slander for one third of year.
I see that the "selected anniversaries" section appropriately cites the sad anniversary of the Polytechnique massacre, but I'm wondering why 6 December isn't accordingly indicated in the section's heading by the name it has attained: the National Day to End Violence Against Women (the student handbook provided by the Canadian Federation of Students actually refers to it as the "International Day ... Women"). In any case, it is observed in Canada, with white ribbons and memorial ceremonies. I thought it might be worth mentioning, along with the other national anniversaries (or international anniversaries, as implied by the handbook mentioned above). Rod ESQ 04:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, I've talked to a couple organizations and searched a few sites. What I found is that there is a bit of confusion on the different dates and the significance of each ribbon. What I gathered is that the Purple Ribbon Campaign is an international campaign against "Interpersonal Violence and Abuse Awareness/Prevention" in general, while the White Ribbon Campaign is a more specific campaign initiated by men seeking to end violence against women. The latter started in Canada as part of the aftermath of the December 6 massacre in Montreal; it has since expanded into the international arena. As for the dates, there are actually a few of related observances. March 8 is International Women's Day, November 25 is the International Day to End Violence Against Women, and in Canada December 6 is the National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women, according to Status of Women Canada. The white ribbon campaign uses the proximity of the related dates of 25 November and 6 December to promote the campaign in the time span between those days. The CFS seems to have gotten the related observances mixed up in its handbook, as both observances are related and have nearly identical goals, and their primary differences are their geographical and memorial origins. Based on this, it seems that the white ribbon is the more appropriate symbol for this particular anniversary, although both campaigns appear to be in cooperative terms and overlap in some areas. Rod ESQ 16:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone think this is just a way for this guy to get his name back in lights? Feelings? Please, he's a journalist.
On the main page's last sentence, "when computer was able to play" should be "when a computer was able to play". Art LaPella 05:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
"Robison Cuusoe" in the ALT text of the picture at DYK should be spelt as "Robinson Crusoe". It's very minor, but can someone with sysop powers fix this, please ? Thanks. -- 64.229.33.170 22:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Not more than 10-15 minutes ago CNN just did a small feature on Wikipedia. They specifically featured Wolf Blitzer's wiki article. (Even went as far as pointing out some errors about the show host). i.e. Wolf Blitzer didn't grow up in Syracuse (but Buffalo), nor is his name influenced by his great-grandfather, but by his Grandfather. They said would show how to fix the article at the end of their show. I predict a slim to small increase in vandalism across Wikipedia perhaps for the next 24 hours as people who saw the article come-in and learn how to change things they see. BE vigilant there might be some wiki-vandalism coming but now's the time to put forward a good face and quickly revert such errors. Although try to be welcoming to these potentially new Wikipedians and show them how the Sandbox feature among other areas work. CaribDigita 23:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with Main Page. Please go to WP:Pump to discuss further on this. -- 64.229.44.226 03:03, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
i have more than 3000 edits, see "user contributions" - i was blocked for no reason. User:Haham hanuka
Perhaps the recent change in creating entries (where people have to sign in to do so) could be mentioned on the front page - especially as it says that anyone can edit the encyclopedia. Clarification rather than complaint.
Jackiespeel 17:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
As I said, it was a suggestion: perhaps a "policy change" flag, for a day or two, which links to to relevant section might do. Sometimes it is useful to discuss whether a suggestion is practical or not, or can be handled in a different way.
Jackiespeel 16:29, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Last comment on the subject - perhaps a link to The Signpost on the main page might cover the matter. (I see the point of the new policy - the original comment was on the best way to alert people to changes). Jackiespeel 14:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The first Did You Know item says "that Junípero Serra and Juan María de Salvatierra have both been called "the apostle of California". You wouldn't use the word "apostle" to describe the two men as a pair, so I think the right word is "each" instead of "both". Art LaPella 19:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
July 1, 2004 is the most recent available?
This site is great!!!!!!!
The world knows that to a degree which remains to be seen, Saddam Hussein has much to answer for, but the 'perp photo' Alt tag is the sort of juvenile attitude that makes people take notice and say, I bet that was put there by an uneducated American. The guy is innocent until proven guilty. Another thing, 'perp' is not a real word in the context in which the author has used it. Perpetrator is a real word that has been abbreviated, probably by those unable to spell the full, big word.
It's all about standards folks. If Wikipedia is to have credibility then news articles need to be factually correct and void of playground parochial slang.
It should be BC, not BCE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.146.114.141 ( talk • contribs) .
"Culturally neutral" is a meaningless expression. If you're offended by the acronym for Before Christ start your own calendar.
This has nothing to do with Main Page. Please go to WP:Pump to discuss further on this. -- 64.229.44.226 03:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Is there a procedure for fixing typos in the blurbs for the news? It's nothing vital, but I've noticed a few(1 or 2) typos when I read the front page, and if they could be fixed it might make the wiki seem more professional. After reading this talk page, it seems like I should just comment on them here. Am I getting the correct impression? Tigger89 16:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Currently, there is a red and blue box separating content into visual blocks.
This works for 'Today's featured article' and 'In the news' (by the way, these 'titles' should have the first letter of each major word capitalized i.e. 'Today's Featured Article' and 'In the News'), however the 'Selected anniversaries' and 'Did you know...' should be in separate boxes preferably in different colors to visually separate them from each other.
Apparently the Mandan weren't the only Great Plains tribe to establish permanent villages (see Talk:Mandan). It's been changed in the article, someone probably ought to fix it in the featured article box too.-- Elmer Clark 03:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Why that picture of Hugo Chávez? There are pictures that are probably... better. Rmpfu89 00:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
A small suggestion for the main page is the addition of a text link to "Other fetured content" or "More featured content" giving driect access to featrued pictures and featured lists and any other featured stuff we have. It would probably fit best after the "more featured articles link". I suspect we would need a new page for Other featured content ( Wikipedia:Featured content perhaps?). It would link to featured articles, pictures, and lists. Explaining in one senetence what each of the types is about. Perhaps it could also highlgiht one or two examples of each, selected from ones eibable for featuring on the main page. Thryduulf 00:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
The featured article summary seems to say that only non-poor people criticize Chavez. That's obviously false and supports a POV that poor people love socialism, and never should have made it to the front page. Could someone correct or justify that part? 24.162.138.238 01:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
However, Venezuela's middle and upper classes have severely criticized Chávez, accusing him of repression and electoral fraud. The anonymous editor has a good point -- the sentence is very very weird. *Economic* criticism could be class-based; but human rights and electoral processes surely have nothing to do with class. It's a non-sequitur; and as a result, the sentence could be construed as suggesting that these accusations are merely a façade or fig leaf for the true source (presumably greed) of upper- and middle-class dissatisfaction. Unlike the anonymous editor, I'm sure it's not a matter of POV -- just an oversight. My suggestion: split the sentence into two -- one reporting without comment Chavez' relative popularity among the various classes, the other mentioning that he's accused of human rights violation and election fraud by activists or watch-dogs or news reports or what have you. Doops | talk 05:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I, too, have found this very POV. Practically a love letter. The one sentence regarding crticism seems thrown in as a feeble attempt to avoid accusations of POV. -- Nelson Ricardo 16:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I also found it to be an embarassment, particularly given my knowledge of the complex political situation regarding venezuela. This should not be taken as a general criticism of raul, but the wording was clearly unacceptable, and circumstances such as this (and others in the past) make it clear more peer review is needed for main page summaries. Sam Spade 16:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Dutch already has 100,000 articles, why is not it listed among other 100,000+ languages?-- Nixer 16:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
HI my name is chandler and i dont like this website because it doesnt tell me wat i want
I say we give that Chandler guy what he wants ASAP!!!! Sam Spade 23:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
the #1 question is... what does Chandler want?!? Sam Spade 01:36, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Reproducive should be spelled reproductive, and there is no reason to capitalize entomophily, even though all article titles are capitalized. Art LaPella 02:05, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
The bee is a wild Melissodes bee. I don't know how to edit that section. Pollinator 04:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
with a few tragic exceptions, it's not our job to say what is or isn't tragic, that's a point-of-view. Suffice to say there were exceptions, but why should we call the Polish collaborators "tragic", when we don't call German or Romanians "tragic"? I hate to be anal, but there ya have it Sherurcij ( talk) ( bounties) 06:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Now it's covered in The New York Times. I think someone needs to comment.-- Knapster2005 17:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, but somebody was fired and it now a legitimate news story. It seems odd that it is not reported on Wiki. At this point I think it needs to be done.-- Knapster2005 17:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
"Mr. Seigenthaler urged Mr. Chase's boss to rehire him, but Mr. Chase said that, so far, this had not happened." That's not the point, though. It's on par with The New York Times reporting on the Jayson Blair controversy. I agree with the self-reference policy, but I don't think it applies in this case.-- Knapster2005 17:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
An article needs to be written that addresses the vandalism issue and what Wiki intends to do, if anything. I find it interesting that the online edition of The New York Times put a link to Wikipedia-Watch but not Wikipedia. No one was contacted by the paper?
I take the deafening silence to mean that administration is considering addressing the issue?-- Knapster2005 19:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay. I see that they did contact Jimmy Wales. Was that there this morning?-- Knapster2005 20:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I hope that this "story" about Seigenthaler has NO EFFECT on wikipedia: Any famous, influential, celebrity person should be aware that they are game for mischief. Seigenthaler has the responsibility to learn about his own name and how it is being applied and used..as any celebrity does on the Internet and the world-at-large. Besides, if there is an error whether small or large, he can correct it. Everyone fails to understand the logic and exploit the magnitude of the error. A small error is no less an error. The attention-starved media is just looking for another line to run.
It is simple: Mr. Seigenthaler needs to take responsibility: It goes with the territory of being well known.
How can people logged into Wikipedia change the article in the "Today's Featured Article" section? mikejacoby13
Why not just use the English of whoever is writing a piece? Not everyone is American, you know. —the preceding unsigned comment is by 88.105.248.102 ( talk • contribs) 15:49, 2005 December 11 (UTC)
"...agree to extend the provisions of the the Kyoto Protocol to 2012."
"the the"
Jackk 19:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thanks a lot! ~ sydney lennon ~
I like the new design a lot but don't make it too crazy! We all like simplistic pages that quickly load (like google)!!!! rofl lmao
Per discussion on Image talk:Yuan character (1st century).png, Yeu Ninje and I have concluded that the main page image for today's featured article would benefit from the addition of a 1-2 pixel black border around the image. The image is currently locked, but if an admin could make this change it would be much appreciated! Thanks. - Scm83x 02:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
It says "Concentración", but the correct word is "Concertación"
EricRoss 06:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
What is moment and can ou give me a picture of the word moment
And can you give som information about pressure please????????????????
As of 12-12, 12:30 EST, the Yuan article on the main page says "33rd in poopulation" whereas the actual article says 34th. These are in the first sentence of both instances. 68.143.166.174 17:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Why the heck wasn’t—isn’t— Yuan (surname) protected? I thought that was SOP for featured articles; now it’s full of vandalism. crism 20:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I am of the understanding that Gebran Tueni was a Lebanese MP, not a Syrian. In fact, he was anti-Syrian. The main page summary that says he was a "Syrian MP" needs editing.
Can you please typeIAN MILLS and read the article and give advice please? Make changes if you want but I'd really like to hear what people have to say.
This page is for disscusion about the Main Page only. Please read the top of this page before editing it.
I have recently moved to Richmond Va and was totaly lost on it's areas. You have created an excellent web site, showing what areas are around,what they are like and the history of them. Thank you so much,it has helped me out greatly.
Stanley Tookie Williams is currently an unprotected redirect page that seems to be receiving a lot of vandalism. Either the redirect page needs to be protected, or the link on the front page needs to be changed to Stanley Williams. Someone42 15:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I know I'm not supposed to post this the day after the article was on the main page but there wasn't a problem there yesterday. I was sitting in my first block class (because I'm a high school student) checking up on the latest news of the race riots in Australia. I typed "2005_Sydney_race_riots" and the first thing to pop up was a photo of a man and a woman having sex. This is something I normally wouldn't mind just the fact that I'm in school and IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARTICLE! Although this isn't on the main page today it was yesterday and I'm sure if the problems in Australia worsens it'd be back on the main page in the news. I'm requesting that someone would at least look at the article and remove what's not needed or what is irrelevant to the article.
[3] the blurb at the end Borisblue 17:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Is there a reason that Discussion pages are not called Talk pages? The Discussion tab displays "Talk" information. Was this a conscious decision? There is enough Wiki terminology and acronyms around already. Why not label the Talk pages with Talk tabs?
...always remembering the time stamp now... Msass 18:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Which brings up another point. why should I have to use a character that requires a SHIFT key, in order to supply the name/timestamp. Where were the designers heads when they thought that up. "Please oh please add your name/timestamp (you're are naughty if you don't), but let's make it a little harder by requiring an upper case character that is really hard to find and reach on the keyboard." clever, oh so clever. Once more, Msass 18:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
It looks like every article linked on the front page, especially the featured article gets vandalised about 300 times a day (rough exaggerated estimate). It seems like a good idea to lock the featured article (at the very least) to save everyone the headache of reverting the article to its previous state every 10 seconds. -- Wesman83 18:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
so why are images protected then? i agree with the idea of protecting a featured article while its on the main page. suggestions to change it can be registered on another page, compiled and added when the article is no longer a featured article and the children have less to gain by defacing it.
Is there any interest in adding this cool little bit of coding to the main page, or any other public page? I've noticed other languages' main pages have this, or something similar (eg: ar:الصفحة الرئيسية). Or are we still in "fear change" mode? — 0918 BRIAN • 2005-12-13 19:05
I think someone's renaming the article, but in the mean time it's a dead link.
I think it would be a lot less ambiguous if it was stated, "after two days of firefighting". These two words can make it sound all the more clearer. ;-) -- Natalinasmpf 19:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Uh, uh, anyone? -- Natalinasmpf 09:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
In my opinion today's featured article does nothing to promote wikipedia. Articles about minor actresses are just dull for non-fans, and they have no wider value. CalJW 00:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
A better snowjob, more like. Negative reviews are mentioned in passing, good reviews are quoted. She hosted an artshow! Of paintings! By an actress! It was "engaging", and "a complete success"! When is she going to bring about world peace? Filiocht | The kettle's on 14:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Where is the best place to complain about this? Is it here, or is there a certain FA talk page I should try? How can I help prevent this kind of thing in the future? I am concerned about other potentially "promotional" articles making it to this spot in the future. -- Cam 16:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
complaints about obscure topics of FA's show lack of understanding of the whole concept of FA's: the point is to show good articles, especially about obscure topics. If you're not interested in it, don't read it; it is still an article that was considered well done, not because of the notability of its subject, but for its own merits as an article. dab (ᛏ) 16:28, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
The "Stop Complaining" argument is simply simply wrong. Like it or not, the FA is the face of Wiki. When an article is chosen for the front page, it makes a statement about what Wiki is, and what it aspires to be. By trying to separate content from presentation, we are saying that Wiki articles are just exercises in writing; without regard to the relevance of the content to audience or culture. The obvious slippery slope here is a descent into long and vacuous vanity pages. What does it say about Wiki as a whole if the Featured Articles are irrelevant to 99% of Wiki readers? Limbo socrates 18:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I second,third, 100th, whatever the motion. Although it might be difficult to implement, could we institute historical constraints on the featured article of the day? We have current events right next to it, why not let the featured article expand our historical consciousness??? Perhaps we could have a smaller pool of articles which are eligible for featured article status, chosen by an editorial board or something???? I suspect that wikipedia is being used for promotional purposes, cf the admittedly very thorough entry on an almost unknown actress who is by no means widely recognized as a master of her craft, which has been dominating the home page for 2 days (?) now. I also wonder why some articles on the main page stay for longer than others, and why of all the articles out there we are lately getting so much popular entertainment on that page. Is somebody hacking the wiki? It's been my homepage for a while but if I have to look at kadee macfarland or whatever her name is one more time I'm going to puke.
For those who don't like the topics of featured articles: please select articles you would like to see on the Main Page, and help bring them to featured status. I work on medicine articles. Some people work on historical ones. Others work on articles relating to politicians, or to highways. If you don't like the topics others have been working on, you are welcome to improve articles on your own pet topics, but realize that others will work on the articles they enjoy. — Knowledge Seeker দ 20:24, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
so how exactly does a b-list actress attain "featured article" status, anyway? and how does kadee strickland qualify as pop culture anyway? why don't we just write an article about her agent, who obviously wrote the article?? : ) also, i can think of at least one other pop culture article, it was no doubt or some other band like that.
a quick look at rottentomatoes.com reveals that the films she's been involved with haven't fared too well with the critics. eg 'the grudge', from the venerable usa today: 'As some wise person once said, Hollywood will always churn out movies like this as long as there are teenage girls who want to squeeze the hands of teenage boys while sitting in a dark theater.' the nytimes was harder on it. so, where is a mention of this and the other hard times kadee has had? if you're not her agent, extraordinary machines, you need to stop staring at her poster on your wall and get back to work fleshing this thing out with some objectivity.
how many days are we planning on keeping this 'very informative' article on the main page, anyhow?
"Crip's co-founder ... turned anti-gang campaigner is executed" Can someone please be good enough to tell us why he was executed? Erm... he was also a convicted multiple murderer who never apologised for his crimes. jucifer 16:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
..that the parents of Chicana fiction writer and Cornell Univeristy English professor, Maria Viramontes (b. 1954), met while working in the fields, and that the impact of Cesar Chavez and the United Farm Workers later influenced her fiction?
I know this is not wiki-ish, but it seems like the featured article of the day always seems to be heavily vandalized. Maybe the featured article could be temporarily protected from editing for the day it is featured. Just a thought. Censorwolf 17:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 45 | ← | Archive 48 | Archive 49 | Archive 50 | Archive 51 | Archive 52 | → | Archive 55 |
The Selected anniversaries shows;
A little more info is needed here. Wikipedia's own article on sati states;"The view of sati as a core practice of Hinduism, including the idea that it was compulsory, continues to be held and disseminated by various groups today, some within India, and many in the rest of the world. In recent years in Poland, criticisms and attacks by Catholics on the Hare Krishna movement in that country included charges that they planned to introduce sati into Europe[34]. The practice is often quoted as the ultimate example of the subjection of women, and this sometimes provokes resentment and criticisms from Hindus and Indians.[35]"
This is widely misunderstood issue. When mentioning sati, it would be would be good practice to also mention three other points; 1) Sati has remained illegal in India from 1829 to present & the law is vigorously enforced. 2) When one considers modern India as a nation of nearly a billion people, it is extremely rare. 3) The thought is completely insane.
Perhaps the text could read;
Veej 13:51, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Sati was never practised all over India. i live in india
The article was incorrect (I've fixed it). Marquette only camped in the future Chicago, he founded no permanent settlement there. Jean-Baptiste Pointe du Sable was the first settler, over a century later. -- Dhartung | Talk 23:19, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
who selects the featured article? i think its sort of lame for it to be used to hype the courtny cox movie , or some crappy sitcom. is this really what wikipeadia should be about? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.150.253.56 ( talk • contribs) .
I agree with Dhartung, also, if you are going to be critical, please attempt proper spelling while you are about it. Literacy is a great thing. Zashera
Delicious reading!
I agree with the initial poster. This article, while 'fantastic', is clearly written by her agent's inern.
I think there are too many elections in the news section. If the idea is to link to articles, it only exposes a narrow range of them. Bhoeble 01:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
With regards to the featured articles for the next three days- Arrested Development, Roy Orbison and Michel Foucault- I'd like to voice my strong objection to using any fair-use images on the main page, except for rare circumstances like important news stories. ( previous discussions). -- Duk 03:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
The Fifth Republic Movement won 114 seats, not 115. Descendall 15:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
The section in DYK about the vessel used to transport Churchill's body might be better said by replacing vessel with "ship". When I first read the DYK I thought of vessel as in a Cauldron or some ceremonial sarcophagus, not a ship. -- Syrthiss 16:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
A smaller vessel than a ship was used. Vessel is a more general term than ship. They are not synonyms. As part of Churchill's state funeral, his body was transported on the River Thames in the vessel named Havengore, described as a launch or barge. See for example [1] and [2] -- Zeminkaya 14:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Can it be modified as it is here, seeing how "has typical presentation distinctions of a documentary, such as narration style, etc. etc." is better than "complete with narration, etc. etc." - "complete with" sounds really informal, hyped and lazy. -- Natalinasmpf 21:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Except for certain ancient figures, possessive names are formed with as apostophe plus "s". Please fix Hugo Chavez. Thanks. Nelson Ricardo 01:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm French and I'm confused. Of couse I'm sad for the person made dirty with such accusations. And I'm also sad for eventual consequences on Wikipedia. This site is the most beautiful thing the Web can offer. The concrete ideal of regrouping and sharing everyone's knowledge in a perfect way of empathy.
There are always people who think they know, though they can be very wrong. And there are always bad-acting ones. And as any research on the Net, one have to cross and check information, as though Wiki is an encyclopedia, it is done by its users... with the risk that some may be wrong, the same way that any personal website may contain mistakes.
But as far as I know, this has been made by a kidding idiot who added those false facts to an existing article. He could have as well done it in any other website, or by throwing any hoax.
So I hope there will be no harm to Wiki, that every mistake can be noticed and fixed but that everyone is aware that the concept itself, though idealistic, is not pure utopia and works very well as far as one knows there can be mistakes... or "mis-acting". I wish good luck to Wikipedia, keep your integrity and your way of working !
Eric, FRANCE
It's all over the IT-news 1, 2, 3, and more besides, but it isn't on Wikinews...just a little ironic. -- Chinfo 02:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Not covered here? The children of the shoemaker walk barefoot. patsw 17:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
This is starting to turn out ugly USA Today's take on Wikipedia. Honestly they're (specifically this Siegenthaler guy) making a really huge deal out of this incident, as if it's the first time it had happened.-- Chinfo 13:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone think this is just a way for this guy to get his name back in lights? Feelings? Please, he's a journalist. (unsigned)
It is born of ignorance, he COULD have edited it and changed it at anytime. Dominick (TALK) 18:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
It is born of ignorance, he COULD have edited it and changed it at anytime.
Why should it be his responsibility? Maybe (God forbid!) he'd never heard of Wikipedia or maybe he had something better to do with his time than patrol his entry. The fact that he wasn't interested in playing editor doesn't excuse posting a slander for one third of year.
I see that the "selected anniversaries" section appropriately cites the sad anniversary of the Polytechnique massacre, but I'm wondering why 6 December isn't accordingly indicated in the section's heading by the name it has attained: the National Day to End Violence Against Women (the student handbook provided by the Canadian Federation of Students actually refers to it as the "International Day ... Women"). In any case, it is observed in Canada, with white ribbons and memorial ceremonies. I thought it might be worth mentioning, along with the other national anniversaries (or international anniversaries, as implied by the handbook mentioned above). Rod ESQ 04:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, I've talked to a couple organizations and searched a few sites. What I found is that there is a bit of confusion on the different dates and the significance of each ribbon. What I gathered is that the Purple Ribbon Campaign is an international campaign against "Interpersonal Violence and Abuse Awareness/Prevention" in general, while the White Ribbon Campaign is a more specific campaign initiated by men seeking to end violence against women. The latter started in Canada as part of the aftermath of the December 6 massacre in Montreal; it has since expanded into the international arena. As for the dates, there are actually a few of related observances. March 8 is International Women's Day, November 25 is the International Day to End Violence Against Women, and in Canada December 6 is the National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women, according to Status of Women Canada. The white ribbon campaign uses the proximity of the related dates of 25 November and 6 December to promote the campaign in the time span between those days. The CFS seems to have gotten the related observances mixed up in its handbook, as both observances are related and have nearly identical goals, and their primary differences are their geographical and memorial origins. Based on this, it seems that the white ribbon is the more appropriate symbol for this particular anniversary, although both campaigns appear to be in cooperative terms and overlap in some areas. Rod ESQ 16:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone think this is just a way for this guy to get his name back in lights? Feelings? Please, he's a journalist.
On the main page's last sentence, "when computer was able to play" should be "when a computer was able to play". Art LaPella 05:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
"Robison Cuusoe" in the ALT text of the picture at DYK should be spelt as "Robinson Crusoe". It's very minor, but can someone with sysop powers fix this, please ? Thanks. -- 64.229.33.170 22:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Not more than 10-15 minutes ago CNN just did a small feature on Wikipedia. They specifically featured Wolf Blitzer's wiki article. (Even went as far as pointing out some errors about the show host). i.e. Wolf Blitzer didn't grow up in Syracuse (but Buffalo), nor is his name influenced by his great-grandfather, but by his Grandfather. They said would show how to fix the article at the end of their show. I predict a slim to small increase in vandalism across Wikipedia perhaps for the next 24 hours as people who saw the article come-in and learn how to change things they see. BE vigilant there might be some wiki-vandalism coming but now's the time to put forward a good face and quickly revert such errors. Although try to be welcoming to these potentially new Wikipedians and show them how the Sandbox feature among other areas work. CaribDigita 23:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with Main Page. Please go to WP:Pump to discuss further on this. -- 64.229.44.226 03:03, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
i have more than 3000 edits, see "user contributions" - i was blocked for no reason. User:Haham hanuka
Perhaps the recent change in creating entries (where people have to sign in to do so) could be mentioned on the front page - especially as it says that anyone can edit the encyclopedia. Clarification rather than complaint.
Jackiespeel 17:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
As I said, it was a suggestion: perhaps a "policy change" flag, for a day or two, which links to to relevant section might do. Sometimes it is useful to discuss whether a suggestion is practical or not, or can be handled in a different way.
Jackiespeel 16:29, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Last comment on the subject - perhaps a link to The Signpost on the main page might cover the matter. (I see the point of the new policy - the original comment was on the best way to alert people to changes). Jackiespeel 14:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The first Did You Know item says "that Junípero Serra and Juan María de Salvatierra have both been called "the apostle of California". You wouldn't use the word "apostle" to describe the two men as a pair, so I think the right word is "each" instead of "both". Art LaPella 19:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
July 1, 2004 is the most recent available?
This site is great!!!!!!!
The world knows that to a degree which remains to be seen, Saddam Hussein has much to answer for, but the 'perp photo' Alt tag is the sort of juvenile attitude that makes people take notice and say, I bet that was put there by an uneducated American. The guy is innocent until proven guilty. Another thing, 'perp' is not a real word in the context in which the author has used it. Perpetrator is a real word that has been abbreviated, probably by those unable to spell the full, big word.
It's all about standards folks. If Wikipedia is to have credibility then news articles need to be factually correct and void of playground parochial slang.
It should be BC, not BCE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.146.114.141 ( talk • contribs) .
"Culturally neutral" is a meaningless expression. If you're offended by the acronym for Before Christ start your own calendar.
This has nothing to do with Main Page. Please go to WP:Pump to discuss further on this. -- 64.229.44.226 03:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Is there a procedure for fixing typos in the blurbs for the news? It's nothing vital, but I've noticed a few(1 or 2) typos when I read the front page, and if they could be fixed it might make the wiki seem more professional. After reading this talk page, it seems like I should just comment on them here. Am I getting the correct impression? Tigger89 16:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Currently, there is a red and blue box separating content into visual blocks.
This works for 'Today's featured article' and 'In the news' (by the way, these 'titles' should have the first letter of each major word capitalized i.e. 'Today's Featured Article' and 'In the News'), however the 'Selected anniversaries' and 'Did you know...' should be in separate boxes preferably in different colors to visually separate them from each other.
Apparently the Mandan weren't the only Great Plains tribe to establish permanent villages (see Talk:Mandan). It's been changed in the article, someone probably ought to fix it in the featured article box too.-- Elmer Clark 03:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Why that picture of Hugo Chávez? There are pictures that are probably... better. Rmpfu89 00:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
A small suggestion for the main page is the addition of a text link to "Other fetured content" or "More featured content" giving driect access to featrued pictures and featured lists and any other featured stuff we have. It would probably fit best after the "more featured articles link". I suspect we would need a new page for Other featured content ( Wikipedia:Featured content perhaps?). It would link to featured articles, pictures, and lists. Explaining in one senetence what each of the types is about. Perhaps it could also highlgiht one or two examples of each, selected from ones eibable for featuring on the main page. Thryduulf 00:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
The featured article summary seems to say that only non-poor people criticize Chavez. That's obviously false and supports a POV that poor people love socialism, and never should have made it to the front page. Could someone correct or justify that part? 24.162.138.238 01:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
However, Venezuela's middle and upper classes have severely criticized Chávez, accusing him of repression and electoral fraud. The anonymous editor has a good point -- the sentence is very very weird. *Economic* criticism could be class-based; but human rights and electoral processes surely have nothing to do with class. It's a non-sequitur; and as a result, the sentence could be construed as suggesting that these accusations are merely a façade or fig leaf for the true source (presumably greed) of upper- and middle-class dissatisfaction. Unlike the anonymous editor, I'm sure it's not a matter of POV -- just an oversight. My suggestion: split the sentence into two -- one reporting without comment Chavez' relative popularity among the various classes, the other mentioning that he's accused of human rights violation and election fraud by activists or watch-dogs or news reports or what have you. Doops | talk 05:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I, too, have found this very POV. Practically a love letter. The one sentence regarding crticism seems thrown in as a feeble attempt to avoid accusations of POV. -- Nelson Ricardo 16:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I also found it to be an embarassment, particularly given my knowledge of the complex political situation regarding venezuela. This should not be taken as a general criticism of raul, but the wording was clearly unacceptable, and circumstances such as this (and others in the past) make it clear more peer review is needed for main page summaries. Sam Spade 16:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Dutch already has 100,000 articles, why is not it listed among other 100,000+ languages?-- Nixer 16:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
HI my name is chandler and i dont like this website because it doesnt tell me wat i want
I say we give that Chandler guy what he wants ASAP!!!! Sam Spade 23:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
the #1 question is... what does Chandler want?!? Sam Spade 01:36, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Reproducive should be spelled reproductive, and there is no reason to capitalize entomophily, even though all article titles are capitalized. Art LaPella 02:05, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
The bee is a wild Melissodes bee. I don't know how to edit that section. Pollinator 04:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
with a few tragic exceptions, it's not our job to say what is or isn't tragic, that's a point-of-view. Suffice to say there were exceptions, but why should we call the Polish collaborators "tragic", when we don't call German or Romanians "tragic"? I hate to be anal, but there ya have it Sherurcij ( talk) ( bounties) 06:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Now it's covered in The New York Times. I think someone needs to comment.-- Knapster2005 17:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, but somebody was fired and it now a legitimate news story. It seems odd that it is not reported on Wiki. At this point I think it needs to be done.-- Knapster2005 17:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
"Mr. Seigenthaler urged Mr. Chase's boss to rehire him, but Mr. Chase said that, so far, this had not happened." That's not the point, though. It's on par with The New York Times reporting on the Jayson Blair controversy. I agree with the self-reference policy, but I don't think it applies in this case.-- Knapster2005 17:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
An article needs to be written that addresses the vandalism issue and what Wiki intends to do, if anything. I find it interesting that the online edition of The New York Times put a link to Wikipedia-Watch but not Wikipedia. No one was contacted by the paper?
I take the deafening silence to mean that administration is considering addressing the issue?-- Knapster2005 19:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay. I see that they did contact Jimmy Wales. Was that there this morning?-- Knapster2005 20:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I hope that this "story" about Seigenthaler has NO EFFECT on wikipedia: Any famous, influential, celebrity person should be aware that they are game for mischief. Seigenthaler has the responsibility to learn about his own name and how it is being applied and used..as any celebrity does on the Internet and the world-at-large. Besides, if there is an error whether small or large, he can correct it. Everyone fails to understand the logic and exploit the magnitude of the error. A small error is no less an error. The attention-starved media is just looking for another line to run.
It is simple: Mr. Seigenthaler needs to take responsibility: It goes with the territory of being well known.
How can people logged into Wikipedia change the article in the "Today's Featured Article" section? mikejacoby13
Why not just use the English of whoever is writing a piece? Not everyone is American, you know. —the preceding unsigned comment is by 88.105.248.102 ( talk • contribs) 15:49, 2005 December 11 (UTC)
"...agree to extend the provisions of the the Kyoto Protocol to 2012."
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Jackk 19:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thanks a lot! ~ sydney lennon ~
I like the new design a lot but don't make it too crazy! We all like simplistic pages that quickly load (like google)!!!! rofl lmao
Per discussion on Image talk:Yuan character (1st century).png, Yeu Ninje and I have concluded that the main page image for today's featured article would benefit from the addition of a 1-2 pixel black border around the image. The image is currently locked, but if an admin could make this change it would be much appreciated! Thanks. - Scm83x 02:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
It says "Concentración", but the correct word is "Concertación"
EricRoss 06:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
What is moment and can ou give me a picture of the word moment
And can you give som information about pressure please????????????????
As of 12-12, 12:30 EST, the Yuan article on the main page says "33rd in poopulation" whereas the actual article says 34th. These are in the first sentence of both instances. 68.143.166.174 17:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Why the heck wasn’t—isn’t— Yuan (surname) protected? I thought that was SOP for featured articles; now it’s full of vandalism. crism 20:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I am of the understanding that Gebran Tueni was a Lebanese MP, not a Syrian. In fact, he was anti-Syrian. The main page summary that says he was a "Syrian MP" needs editing.
Can you please typeIAN MILLS and read the article and give advice please? Make changes if you want but I'd really like to hear what people have to say.
This page is for disscusion about the Main Page only. Please read the top of this page before editing it.
I have recently moved to Richmond Va and was totaly lost on it's areas. You have created an excellent web site, showing what areas are around,what they are like and the history of them. Thank you so much,it has helped me out greatly.
Stanley Tookie Williams is currently an unprotected redirect page that seems to be receiving a lot of vandalism. Either the redirect page needs to be protected, or the link on the front page needs to be changed to Stanley Williams. Someone42 15:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I know I'm not supposed to post this the day after the article was on the main page but there wasn't a problem there yesterday. I was sitting in my first block class (because I'm a high school student) checking up on the latest news of the race riots in Australia. I typed "2005_Sydney_race_riots" and the first thing to pop up was a photo of a man and a woman having sex. This is something I normally wouldn't mind just the fact that I'm in school and IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARTICLE! Although this isn't on the main page today it was yesterday and I'm sure if the problems in Australia worsens it'd be back on the main page in the news. I'm requesting that someone would at least look at the article and remove what's not needed or what is irrelevant to the article.
[3] the blurb at the end Borisblue 17:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Is there a reason that Discussion pages are not called Talk pages? The Discussion tab displays "Talk" information. Was this a conscious decision? There is enough Wiki terminology and acronyms around already. Why not label the Talk pages with Talk tabs?
...always remembering the time stamp now... Msass 18:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Which brings up another point. why should I have to use a character that requires a SHIFT key, in order to supply the name/timestamp. Where were the designers heads when they thought that up. "Please oh please add your name/timestamp (you're are naughty if you don't), but let's make it a little harder by requiring an upper case character that is really hard to find and reach on the keyboard." clever, oh so clever. Once more, Msass 18:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
It looks like every article linked on the front page, especially the featured article gets vandalised about 300 times a day (rough exaggerated estimate). It seems like a good idea to lock the featured article (at the very least) to save everyone the headache of reverting the article to its previous state every 10 seconds. -- Wesman83 18:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
so why are images protected then? i agree with the idea of protecting a featured article while its on the main page. suggestions to change it can be registered on another page, compiled and added when the article is no longer a featured article and the children have less to gain by defacing it.
Is there any interest in adding this cool little bit of coding to the main page, or any other public page? I've noticed other languages' main pages have this, or something similar (eg: ar:الصفحة الرئيسية). Or are we still in "fear change" mode? — 0918 BRIAN • 2005-12-13 19:05
I think someone's renaming the article, but in the mean time it's a dead link.
I think it would be a lot less ambiguous if it was stated, "after two days of firefighting". These two words can make it sound all the more clearer. ;-) -- Natalinasmpf 19:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Uh, uh, anyone? -- Natalinasmpf 09:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
In my opinion today's featured article does nothing to promote wikipedia. Articles about minor actresses are just dull for non-fans, and they have no wider value. CalJW 00:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
A better snowjob, more like. Negative reviews are mentioned in passing, good reviews are quoted. She hosted an artshow! Of paintings! By an actress! It was "engaging", and "a complete success"! When is she going to bring about world peace? Filiocht | The kettle's on 14:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Where is the best place to complain about this? Is it here, or is there a certain FA talk page I should try? How can I help prevent this kind of thing in the future? I am concerned about other potentially "promotional" articles making it to this spot in the future. -- Cam 16:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
complaints about obscure topics of FA's show lack of understanding of the whole concept of FA's: the point is to show good articles, especially about obscure topics. If you're not interested in it, don't read it; it is still an article that was considered well done, not because of the notability of its subject, but for its own merits as an article. dab (ᛏ) 16:28, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
The "Stop Complaining" argument is simply simply wrong. Like it or not, the FA is the face of Wiki. When an article is chosen for the front page, it makes a statement about what Wiki is, and what it aspires to be. By trying to separate content from presentation, we are saying that Wiki articles are just exercises in writing; without regard to the relevance of the content to audience or culture. The obvious slippery slope here is a descent into long and vacuous vanity pages. What does it say about Wiki as a whole if the Featured Articles are irrelevant to 99% of Wiki readers? Limbo socrates 18:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I second,third, 100th, whatever the motion. Although it might be difficult to implement, could we institute historical constraints on the featured article of the day? We have current events right next to it, why not let the featured article expand our historical consciousness??? Perhaps we could have a smaller pool of articles which are eligible for featured article status, chosen by an editorial board or something???? I suspect that wikipedia is being used for promotional purposes, cf the admittedly very thorough entry on an almost unknown actress who is by no means widely recognized as a master of her craft, which has been dominating the home page for 2 days (?) now. I also wonder why some articles on the main page stay for longer than others, and why of all the articles out there we are lately getting so much popular entertainment on that page. Is somebody hacking the wiki? It's been my homepage for a while but if I have to look at kadee macfarland or whatever her name is one more time I'm going to puke.
For those who don't like the topics of featured articles: please select articles you would like to see on the Main Page, and help bring them to featured status. I work on medicine articles. Some people work on historical ones. Others work on articles relating to politicians, or to highways. If you don't like the topics others have been working on, you are welcome to improve articles on your own pet topics, but realize that others will work on the articles they enjoy. — Knowledge Seeker দ 20:24, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
so how exactly does a b-list actress attain "featured article" status, anyway? and how does kadee strickland qualify as pop culture anyway? why don't we just write an article about her agent, who obviously wrote the article?? : ) also, i can think of at least one other pop culture article, it was no doubt or some other band like that.
a quick look at rottentomatoes.com reveals that the films she's been involved with haven't fared too well with the critics. eg 'the grudge', from the venerable usa today: 'As some wise person once said, Hollywood will always churn out movies like this as long as there are teenage girls who want to squeeze the hands of teenage boys while sitting in a dark theater.' the nytimes was harder on it. so, where is a mention of this and the other hard times kadee has had? if you're not her agent, extraordinary machines, you need to stop staring at her poster on your wall and get back to work fleshing this thing out with some objectivity.
how many days are we planning on keeping this 'very informative' article on the main page, anyhow?
"Crip's co-founder ... turned anti-gang campaigner is executed" Can someone please be good enough to tell us why he was executed? Erm... he was also a convicted multiple murderer who never apologised for his crimes. jucifer 16:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
..that the parents of Chicana fiction writer and Cornell Univeristy English professor, Maria Viramontes (b. 1954), met while working in the fields, and that the impact of Cesar Chavez and the United Farm Workers later influenced her fiction?
I know this is not wiki-ish, but it seems like the featured article of the day always seems to be heavily vandalized. Maybe the featured article could be temporarily protected from editing for the day it is featured. Just a thought. Censorwolf 17:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)