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Wikipedia should not claim Amini was killed or beaten by police in its own voice. This is a very serious accusation, which is also very seriously denied. Wikipedia should present both widely reported explanations, with attribution, or neither. InedibleHulk ( talk) 07:22, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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This protests are not only against police brutality, but also against the government. Plus, the protests are very violent and many people died. WikiManUser21 ( talk) 16:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
should we keep this format or combine the events and update as things continue? Manumaker08 ( talk) 17:56, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Imams in Iran are not a monolothic group. The statement that All Imams of Friday Prayers expressed anger and demanded police enforcement
may well be what's stated in the source, but it's rather dubious that they all demanded police enforcement (and, implicitly, that none of them called for police to allow peaceful protest and stop using violence); did the news source really get individual reports on the emotions and opinions expressed by all Friday Prayer imams in Iran? and verify that all demanded police enforcement? See
Category:Iranian Shia clerics for some of the Wikipedia articles on individual Iranian Shia clerics, which should include some Imams of Friday Prayers.
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The Special Clerical Court ensures adherence to dogma by the Shiite clerics with official posts in the Iranian government. -- 2601:C4:C300:A210:BDDA:8BC1:6601:1D02 ( talk) 14:16, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Source date are all edited false 25 sep 26 sep Baratiiman ( talk) 03:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi Mhhossein, you added:
Yet The Guardian source you used actually says this: [1]
Pro-government rallies have taken place in several cities across Iran in an attempt to counter a week of mounting unrest triggered by the death of a woman in police custody.
Proceeding further, you added:
Yet The Guardian says this:
Marchers called for anti-government protesters to be executed, while the army signalled that it was prepared to crush dissent by telling Iranians that it would confront “the enemies” behind the unrest. Demonstrators condemned the anti-government protesters as “Israel’s soldiers”, live state television coverage showed. They also shouted “Death to America” and “Death to Israel”, common slogans the country’s clerical rulers use to try and stir up support for authorities, who claimed the demonstrations of support were spontaneous. “Offenders of the Qur’an must be executed,” the crowds chanted.
As per the evidence above, I think there are some WP:POV issues concerning the material you added, which should be addressed. Right now, it (perhaps unintentionally) seems as if you tried to pick the best of both worlds, that is, using a good source, whilst carefully omitting the part that sheds negative light on the government and its supporters. Thanks, - LouisAragon ( talk) 12:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
[personal attack removed] Sahar Karimy ( talk) 23:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hey, so I added in the header all of the names that she was known by from the Death of Mahsa Amini page, along with the written form of them in the respective languages. From my understanding that article has reached a consensus to keep all forms in the article but use "Mahsa Amini" as primary. If this is incorrect let me know thanks. Leaky.Solar ( talk) 14:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
You must understand that this page is not his biography. The content you want to add has nothing to do with our discussion and this information does not help English speakers, it just makes this article ugly and unreadable.
On Mahsa Amini's death page, impartial people removed his second name from the list for the same reason as I said above. But since there is no page of Mehsa Amini, his second name and... are still in the text of that page. That page is very different from the page protesting Ishlan's murder.
Also, in similar cases, Wikipedia does not have a process that edits you, and only their official or well-known names appear on pages other than their biographies.
Mitrayasna ( talk) 19:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Should the Pahlavi Dynasty sponsored National Council of Iran be included? For example, in the protesters goals page, should we add the restoration of the Shahdom (Imperial State of Iran) considering most of the protesters expressed nostalgia for Mohamed Reza Shah and his dynasty VosleCap ( talk) 16:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Adding such section seems necessary to me, as one significant event the has been caused by the protests is the brutal bombing that happened just a few hours ago on Northern Iraq by the IRGC. See 2022 Koya drone bombing
Nicxjo ( talk) 20:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
It's wrong to have biased one sides article. Mention Pro-Hijab protests also. 202.47.41.26 ( talk) 21:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Please someone place Mexico and Chile in the international reactions.
Maybe also add a bit of info in previous protests? Like the girls of revolution street (who were the first to take off veil) and the 2017 and 2019 protests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:8880:5A68:41D7:7FA0:956A:C845 ( talk) 07:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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The MRI and cat scan of Mahsa Amini is not showing any abnormalities. This content wrongfully claims that it showed significant foul play which is unverified and according to social media account which doesn't have any formal qualification or required medical knowledge to claim so. Nigahiga69 ( talk) 04:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
It was expanded in its earliest use in previous times, so I suspect it was inadvertantly removed during an edit, and should be replaced. I defer to an editor already well trusted for this sensitive page. Cheers! -- H Bruce Campbell ( talk) 03:20, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
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Can you please add a link to the journalist Niloofar Hamedi's article? She is mentioned in this article. Thank you.-- BlueBlack ( talk) 03:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC) BlueBlack ( talk) 03:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Re the mentions of unconfirmed videos perhaps someone could check whether they have now been confirmed e.g. by Bellingcat Chidgk1 ( talk) 16:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello, please update the timeline with new protests news:
Protests continued in different cities in Iran. Tehran, Sanandaj, Rasht, Ghom, Bojnord and many other cities were the places people protests and chanted against injustice and brutality of officials. [2] The Guardian, [3]DW, [4]VOA News. H2KL ( talk) 08:22, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
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I think that we should change the title of the page, something like 'September 2022 Iranian Protests'. "Mahsa Amini" protests just sound weird, her death wasn't the only reason the protests started anyway, it was also mandatory hijab since 1979. Anyway, I don't know how to change the title. So, anyone? AradTheSimp ( talk) 23:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
I would suggest it be changed to something like “2022 Iranian unrest” and I agree with you that Mahsa Amini’s death isn’t the only thing they’re uprising against. Thotianaa ( talk) 02:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
I think Mahsa Amini protests should be moved to September 2022 Iranian protests. It seems better because the protests werent just caused caused by the death of Mahsa Amini. HiltonCalifornia ( talk) 22:17, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Mahsa Amini protests → Mahsa Amini death protests – The tile is kind of misleading that the protests are being led by the deceased, while it rather should be the "Protest against death of Mahsa Animi". BoyHayHay ( talk) 04:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC) BoyHayHay ( talk) 04:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Is a list of casualties with their names really necessary? Almost every one of them is not notable. I’m pretty sure this is even against WP policies like WP:BLP. I know that mzny projects have a general consensus not to include such lists on articles detailing events with fatalities. T v x1 13:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
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Probably notable for the article here, if anybody with edit privileges would like to make a mention.
Iran: Teen protester Nika Shakarami's body stolen, sources say (BBC)
"Iranian security forces stole the body of a 16-year-old protester, and buried her secretly in a village, sources close to the family told BBC Persian. The family had planned to bury Nika Shakarami on Monday, but her body was snatched and buried in a village about 40km (25 miles) away, the sources said. Nika went missing for 10 days after protesting in Tehran on 20 September ... Nika's family finally found her body in a morgue at a detention centre in the capital. 'When we went to identify her, they didn't allow us to see her body, only her face for a few seconds,' said Atash Shakarami, Nika's aunt. Nika's family transferred her body to her father's hometown of Khorramabad in the west of the country on Sunday - on what would have been her 17th birthday. Under duress the family agreed not to hold a funeral but security forces 'stole' Nika's body from Khorramabad and buried it in the village of Veysian, one source said ... Hadis' sisters say she was shot in the head and neck with live ammunition and also birdshot fired from a shotgun. Two pictures of her body show birdshot wounds. 'They wouldn't return the body for two days, asking her father to say she had died of a heart attack out of fear,' two sources close to the family told BBC Persian. In a final video message Hadis sent to her friends, which BBC Persian obtained, she says: 'I hope in a few years when I look back, I will be happy that everything has changed for the better.' She was shot dead almost an hour after recording this message, her family said."
Iranian schoolgirls take up battle cry as protests continue (The Guardian)
"Nika Shahkarami, who lived in Tehran and would have turned 17 on Sunday, vanished in September. Her family found her body in a detention centre’s morgue 10 days later, BBC Persian reported."
Iranian schoolgirls give clerical leaders the finger as they join uprising against the regime (The Telegraph)
"Footage has emerged of a group of schoolchildren in the city of Karaj near Tehran chasing an education official off the premises as they hurled empty water bottles at him and chanted 'shame on you'. It came as the BBC reported that Iranian security forces secretly buried the body of a 16-year-old protester far from her village after she disappeared for ten days. In a last message to her friends, Nika Shakarami had said she was being pursued by security forces. Her relatives told the BBC that when they went to identify Nika's body they were only allowed to briefly see her face, raising suspicions that she may have been killed by the authorities. Security forces then 'stole' the body and buried it in a faraway village, relatives said."
Iran's president calls for national unity as anti-government protests spread (Australia Broadcasting Corp)
"The recent death of a 17-year-old girl in Tehran, however, has unleashed an outpouring of anger on Iranian social media. Nika Shahkarami, who lived in the capital with her mother, vanished one night last month during the protests in Tehran, her uncle Kianoush Shakarami told the semiofficial Tasnim news agency. She was missing for a week before her lifeless body was found in a Tehran street and was returned to her family, Tasnim reported, adding relatives had not received official word on how she died. Foreign-based Iranian activists allege she died in police custody, with hundreds circulating her photo online and using her name as a hashtag for the protest movement. The prosecutor in the western Lorestan province, Dariush Shahoonvand, denied any wrongdoing by authorities and said she was buried in her village on Monday."
We can only be in awe of young women such as Nika Shakarami (The Independent)
"With family ties to Iran's southwestern city of Khorramabad, she was just shy of 17 years old when she took part in a 20 September protest in Tehran sparked by the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini, the young woman who was killed after being arrested by the morality police. Shakarami went missing. Her family looked for her for days, searching for clues at police stations and hospitals. They posted messages on social media. But like Amini, Shakarami never made it home alive. Regime officials delivered her badly damaged body, with stitches and signs of physical assault, on 29 September. Authorities provided no explanation and not a single measure of accountability for the death of the young woman. Adding flagrant insult to injury, regime officials grabbed her body from the mortuary and buried her against the family's wishes in a village, in an apparent attempt to avoid a politically charged funeral march. The family and her supporters tried to hold one anyway, and were met with regime gunmen firing birdshot ... Shakarami's grieving mother can be seen on 3 October in viral media, defiantly speaking out for her dead daughter. 'Today was your birthday, my dear!' she says through unimaginable pain, her headscarf off. 'Today I say congratulations on your martyrdom!' "
Thanks everyone. Cheers.
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Hajipour faces trial over protest song Baraye. – Sca ( talk) 13:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Please add Category:Totalitarianism . 2601:C4:C300:A210:A9E9:CBCD:1587:6338 ( talk) 15:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
We only write all letters in capital when the word is an English acronym; for example: IAEA, which is the abbreviated form of International Atomic Energy Agency. But FARAJA isn't an English language acronym. It is Persian: (فراجا) (فرماندهی انتظامی جمهوری اسلامی). So I think Faraja is correct. Aminabzz ( talk) 18:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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The way you are writing the timeline seems to me very much biased in favour of the Iranian Government: All quotes are from Iranian government sources, and not much from the people. These are protests that are involving hundreds of thousands of people, especially the youngest generations. There are no voices of them in the timeline. Teoporta ( talk) 07:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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it is requested to remove "@" from Emmanuel Macron. BoyHayHay ( talk) 06:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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I propose that the Timeline section Timline be moved to Timeline of the Mahsa Amini protests. This section is more related to the topic of Timeline of the Mahsa Amini protests, specifically the day-to-day events. Geopony ( talk) 23:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
A global trend has started with celebrities and politicians protesting the rule of ayatollahs in Iran where participants cut their hair publicly. It's spreading like a wildfire.
A new section is needed to discuss this global trend. 2601:C4:C300:A210:806F:DA8:2522:E615 ( talk) 01:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
2601:C4:C300:A210:74EA:E6E0:DB5A:1542 ( talk) 13:03, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Reza Pahlavi, and Maryam Rajavi have verified official account on the Twitter platform. -- 2601:C4:C300:A210:74EA:E6E0:DB5A:1542 ( talk) 16:13, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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Most of what is on here looks like Western propaganda supporting this when there is clear CCTV footage if Mahsa Amini dying of a heart attack. I don't understand why Wikipedia is now full of pro-Western propaganda. Please fix this article somehow please. Muhafiz-e-Pakistan ( talk) 14:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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Can sanctions be merged into the reactions section? They seem like a form of reaction, and the material is somewhat related and redundant. Likewise there are international reactions such as support protests mentioned in the timeline, maybe those can be pulled out and organized together as well. - Indefensible ( talk) 05:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Artist Turns Iran Fountains Red to Reflect Bloody Crackdown 2601:C4:C300:A210:3CAE:B1DD:FCF:FDE3 ( talk) 17:55, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
please move this article to the Iran's 2022 Protests Caravaneternity ( talk) 08:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. There is overwhelming consensus to move the page, based on WP:TITLE and WP:COMMONNAME. There are also numerous examples of reputable media outlets referring to these as the "Mahsa Amini protests." Some oppose comments suggest terms that are not commonly used (ie. "2022 Iranian revolution") or don't make a compelling argument for keeping it as "September." If we look at the Wikidata item and see the titles from other Wikipedia language editions, using "September" in the title is not common, and most are using titles similar in form to "Mahsa Amini protests." Better to close this now, as there is no need to prolong things. Fuzheado | Talk 19:33, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
September 2022 Iranian protests → Mahsa Amini protests – The protests are extending well into October and will likely continue for months to come. IDK how this was considered a "bold move without consensus", it's a commonsense move. Dunutubble ( talk) ( Contributions) 18:11, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedians, please rename the entry adequatly. "September protests" is no longer valid as the protests have extended into October and may continue still... It should be another name, like: "September and October 2022 Iranian protests" or "Autumn 2022 Iranian protest" or if do not take the name from the calendar but chose anoter way of naming them, e.g. subject matter: "2022 Iranian protests sparked by Mahsa Amini's death" or "The Great Iranian Protests of 2022" "The Greatest Iranian Protests of since the Islamic Revolution" or something else. Thank you for you ideas! Ivonna Nowicka ( talk) 10:38, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
"Those who beat up (Iranian) women and girls on the street, who abduct, arbitrarily imprison and condemn to death people who want nothing other than to live free - they stand on the wrong side of history," German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock told Bild am Sonntag newspaper on Sunday.
[9] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/protests-continue-across-iran-rights-group-reports-19-minors-killed-2022-10-09/ 2601:C4:C300:A210:7D72:6144:3C3B:EDDC ( talk) 19:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
It is time we create and record a list of detainees and I was thinking of creating a separate article since:
A separate article would also match the existing article in Wiki Farsi and could be linked to it: https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/بازداشت%E2%80%8Cشدگان_اعتراضات_سراسری_۱۴۰۱_ایران
It would include the names of the detainees in alphabetic order, followed by a short bio about them. Some examples are: Shervin Hajipour, Faezeh Hashemi Rafsanjani, Niloofar Hamedi, Amir Emad Mirmirani, Majid Tavakoli, Hossein Ronaghi, Kaveh Rezaei, Hossein Mahini, ...
I'm available to create the list, but wanted to run it by everyone here first. BlueBlack ( talk) 01:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
These protests have been happening for 11 days. adding information for each day of protests is clogging up space. I propose we change this to a few paragraphs of information which will be added onto for however long these protests last. Manumaker08 ( talk) 17:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please change: Fars News, partially affiliated with the IRGC called him [...]
To: Fars News, partially affiliated with the IRGC, called him [...]
(This is in the "Iranian citizens" section, second bullet point. To be precise, I am requesting that a comma be added after "IRGC".)
Also, please change:
Inside Gilan province police and Iranian revolutionary guards arrested [...]
To: Inside Gilan province, police and Iranian revolutionary guards arrested [...]
(This is in the "September 24" section, second paragraph. Please put a comma after "province".)
Thanks! BentSm ( talk) 21:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
please add this to the article:
Caravaneternity ( talk) 08:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
I really agree with spliting the timeline into a different article, because these protests show no sign of slowing down and will probably go on for mich longer. THEREALhistoryandgames ( talk) 12:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Here's a good overview article:
How much trouble is Iran’s ruling regime in? Why the Mahsa Amini movement is different than previous protests.
The immediate cause of the protests was Amini’s death, and rage directed at the country’s repressive religious laws. But the situation in Iran was already combustible thanks to years of economic distress, caused by a combination of factors including international sanctions linked to the country’s nuclear program and the lingering impact of the coronavirus, as well as mismanagement and corruption. The country’s gross domestic product plunged by nearly 60 percent between 2017 and 2020. While growth did begin to recover last year, inflation remains a massive problem, with Iranians paying as much as 75 percent more for food than they did a year ago. One in three Iranians now lives in poverty.
In addition to the street protests, the movement is now becoming an industrial action with workers at several oil and petrochemical plants going on strike. These include the symbolically important Abadan oil refinery where strikes in 1978 played a major part in the revolution that overthrew the shah.
A number of statements from the current protesters, including Hajipour’s viral anthem, also reference environmental issues. In the past year, the country has endured flash floods, droughts, and punishing heat waves. While hardly alone in that regard, critics blame the government for mismanagement that has led to environmental problems including the water shortages that sparked protests and rioting in the city of Isfahan last year.
Might be good to maybe make a mention of the food price increases (75%) or water shortages/ecological issues and government mismanagement, as other possible reasons for ongoing protests. Cheers!
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Should the Indian Protests FOR wearing hijabs be added to the see also? Both happening around the same time and are relevant to each other. See here Lachielmao ( talk) 23:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Maybe better to change the name of the page to "Iran 2022 protests" as it is now beyond protests against Mahsa Amini's death, although it started with that. On Wiki Persian section also the title is "Iran 2022 protests". In the history of the protests it is mentioned that it was started with Mahsa's death. Khobar2022 ( talk) 12:53, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
"Hackers supporting Iran's wave of women-led protests interrupted a state TV news broadcast with an image of gun-sight crosshairs and flames over an image of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in footage widely shared online on Sunday."
Iran state TV hacked with image of supreme leader in crosshairs 2601:C4:C300:A210:7D72:6144:3C3B:EDDC ( talk) 17:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Please split the timeline into a new article. 2601:C4:C300:A210:13D:9000:5AAE:57EA ( talk) 13:49, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
The protests began actually with death of Mahsa Amini but it can not more be named after her. Analogy: Arab spring began with death of Mohamed Bouazizi, but is not be named after him like as "Mohamed Bouazizi revolution" or "Mohamed Bouazizi protests", .... In Persian Wikipedia they named the protests not after Mahsa Amini but named it as: "Nationwide protests of 1401 in Iran" (Nationwide protests of 2022 in Iran). Savalanni ( talk) 22:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
In the case of Google (and other search engines such as Bing and Yahoo!), the hit count at the top of the page is unreliable and should usually not be reported.Those numbers you quoted are not real. Those aren't the actual hit counts. Even if you were to pull the real numbers (HITS explains how), you'd then have to somehow filter out all the non-RS from the RS, which of course you can't do. HITS then goes on to talk about the various search engine biases (which of course includes Wikipedia mirrors, SEO, and other problems).
For future reference, if you want to quote Google numbers, it's better to quote Google News hit counts and/or Google Scholar hit counts; those are at least better than Google web hit counts, though both still include unreliable sources. (There's also Ngrams for pre-2019 topics, but that doesn't help us and has its own problems too). A "simple googling with exact phrases", as you put it, doesn't give us any reliable information. There is no substitute for an analysis of RS--Google is not a helpful shortcut for figuring out common name. Levivich ( talk) 03:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
As a counterpoint, we have George Floyd Protests, so this is at least partially WP:CONSISTENT with other protests caused by police action. Benica11 ( talk) 23:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Savalanni and others: There's no law against preliminary discussions, but please be aware that no controversial move can actually happen without following the WP:MOVEREQ process, otherwise opponents of the move won't have a fair chance to respond. In addition, the MOVEREQ process allows a move discussion to be archived in the list of prior move discussions for the article, to reduce the need for people repeating themselves. Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 21:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Please change Iranian Revolutionary Guards to Islamic Revolutionary Guards, their name doesn't have Iran in it at all.
It would also be great if the state is called "Islamic Republic" instead of Iranian government as they never call themselves an Iranian government but an Islamic state. It's also insisted by the protesters to differentiate between the nation and the state, and it may be helpful to pay attention to that.
Also, the protests against compulsory Hijab did not begin in 2017, it began in 1979: /info/en/?search=International_Women%27s_Day_Protests_in_Tehran,_1979 Exhaustedgolsa ( talk) 03:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
While there isn't any centralised leadership that all protestors gather around, there are definitely different angles of protests against the IRI. Ranging from ethnic separatism to political groups, which could be more informative than just "no centralised leadership". Genabab ( talk) 12:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
-- 2601:C4:C300:A210:7D6C:FFE8:FE50:57F9 ( talk) 12:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Are you sure that Artesh has been involved in all of this? From what I know they're busy with lots of other things, and they are basically the people's army anyway if you look at their motto. I don't think the government has deployed any Artesh units against the people in this protests. AradTheSimp ( talk) 20:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Please also remove Sayyari and Mousavi from the lead figures section, they are Artesh commanders so if thete isn't a source for the involvement of Artesh, these two people weren't involved either. AradTheSimp ( talk) 16:47, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a clarification needed tag in the Sanctions section regarding the acronym LEF. LEF stands for Law Enforcement Forces. See https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0969 and Law Enforcement Command of Islamic Republic of Iran (scroll down to external links to see the acronym).
I can't make changes as an IP user, so if somemone could, that would be great. Thanks in advance. 71.11.5.2 ( talk) 14:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Images of 80000 protesters from all over Europe on 2022-10-22 in Berlin: c:Category:Solidarity demonstrations related to Mahsa Amini protests in Iran in Berlin 2022-10-22. C.Suthorn ( talk) 23:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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Under the Sports section of In Popular Culture, add a short paragraph about Elnaz Rekabi not wearing a hijab at the 2022 IFSC Climbing Asian Championships and events following her return to Iran. My example text:
During the 2022 IFSC Climbing Asian Championships in
Seoul,
South Korea, Iranian climber
Elnaz Rekabi received international attention when she competed without a mandatory hijab, a move widely considered to be a show of support for the ongoing protests.
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[2] Despite being hailed as a hero by a cheering crowd upon her return to Tehran, Rekabi has since claimed that the act was not intended to be symbolic, stating publicly and on social media that she had merely been in a rush before it was her turn to compete in the event and that this caused her headscarf to inadvertently fall off.Cite error: A <ref>
tag is missing the closing </ref>
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[3] Human rights organisations and activists have voiced concern that these statements may have been coerced by the Iranian government, and it has since been reported by the media that she has been placed under
house arrest.
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According to the latest update of the Iranian Human Rights Organization (IHR), the number of identified victims of the protests has increased to 277 included 40 children ( 1). Please update statistics -- Mahan ( talk) 09:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Great article from The Intercept about leaked documents involving Iran's Communications Regulatory Authority, and their surveillance system called "SIAM":
https://theintercept.com/2022/10/28/iran-protests-phone-surveillance/
Good info here for the Internet blackouts section of the article. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 06:02, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please add this to the article:
According to HRANA, until November 3 the number of confirmed dead protesters reached 298 people, including 47 children, and 36 repressive forces of the Islamic regime were also killed. The number of official arrests has reached more than 14,161 (Source: 1, 2). -- Mahan ( talk) 07:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Is Mr Musk's satellite network being used to help the protestors in the same way that it is helping the Ukrainians? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 ( talk) 07:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please change Title of article from "Mahsa Amini protests" to "Iranian Revolution of 2022- (beginning with Mahsa Amini protests)" Jomhouriye ( talk) 22:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
These protests have expanded to the scale of a revolution, and multiple noteworthy media outlets, including the National Post, CNN, The Guardian, and the New York Magazine have described it as such. Not to mention, the hashtag #IranRevolution2022 is one of the most used hashtags regarding Iran nowadays. I would suggest keeping the page up to date with what's going on on the streets and match the slogan of those who chant "don't call this a protest, this is an actual revolution." Exhaustedgolsa ( talk) 03:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Exhaustedgolsa, Levivich, Genabab, and Manumaker08: I started a section on "Revolution". There are certainly plenty of Wikipedia-notable intellectuals who are publicly insisting that the events are a revolution; and there are academics who have said that the protests have been shifting from reform/evolution to revolution. This is not (currently) enough for a title change, but the analysis is notable. (All the five factors mentioned by Ghasseminejad+2020 appear to be strengthening in the current protests, consistent with the Ghasseminejad+2020 claim of a switch to revolution in 2017; however, this is my personal interpretation only, which doesn't count for the article.) Boud ( talk) 00:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
@ STSC: Could you please clarify what you mean by the UNDUE tag? I think that a better section title might be Reform versus revolution, because this is the simplest common way of describing sociopolitical change, and avoids choosing a position about which accurately describes the current protests and their effects. But I don't see a problem with the content - academic analysis of events is part of knowledge, not just the events themselves. There's one paragraph with intellectuals' opinions, and one with academics' descriptions of their research. Boud ( talk) 13:18, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Massive deletions of world countries is uncalled for. Please split this into a new article. 2601:C4:C300:A210:42C:54B:742F:AE48 ( talk) 02:41, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Hossein Salami threatened Saudi Arabia over media coverage of Mahsa Amini protests: https://www.iranintl.com/en/202210178566
Saudi Arabia said Iran is trying to distract attention from the Mahsa Amini protests by poising to carry out attacks on both Saudi Arabia and Iraq: https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-u-s-on-high-alert-after-warning-of-imminent-iranian-attack-11667319274 JohnnyPedro1998 ( talk) 18:47, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
As acknowledged in the article about the language, Farsi is the correct endonym. At minimum the uses of "Persian" in the article text should be changed to Farsi; I'd also support the language translations saying Farsi, although if there's a policy on this I'm not aware of that should take precedence. Amyipdev ( talk) 17:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Please ensure that any protesters shown cannot be identified in order to protect them from repercussions. 95.91.244.227 ( talk) 00:29, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
They are commanders of the army. And there is no proof for the significant involvement of the army in the protests. So if the army hasn't been involved, then neither have those two. AradTheSimp ( talk) 05:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia should not claim Amini was killed or beaten by police in its own voice. This is a very serious accusation, which is also very seriously denied. Wikipedia should present both widely reported explanations, with attribution, or neither. InedibleHulk ( talk) 07:22, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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This protests are not only against police brutality, but also against the government. Plus, the protests are very violent and many people died. WikiManUser21 ( talk) 16:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
should we keep this format or combine the events and update as things continue? Manumaker08 ( talk) 17:56, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Imams in Iran are not a monolothic group. The statement that All Imams of Friday Prayers expressed anger and demanded police enforcement
may well be what's stated in the source, but it's rather dubious that they all demanded police enforcement (and, implicitly, that none of them called for police to allow peaceful protest and stop using violence); did the news source really get individual reports on the emotions and opinions expressed by all Friday Prayer imams in Iran? and verify that all demanded police enforcement? See
Category:Iranian Shia clerics for some of the Wikipedia articles on individual Iranian Shia clerics, which should include some Imams of Friday Prayers.
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The Special Clerical Court ensures adherence to dogma by the Shiite clerics with official posts in the Iranian government. -- 2601:C4:C300:A210:BDDA:8BC1:6601:1D02 ( talk) 14:16, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Source date are all edited false 25 sep 26 sep Baratiiman ( talk) 03:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi Mhhossein, you added:
Yet The Guardian source you used actually says this: [1]
Pro-government rallies have taken place in several cities across Iran in an attempt to counter a week of mounting unrest triggered by the death of a woman in police custody.
Proceeding further, you added:
Yet The Guardian says this:
Marchers called for anti-government protesters to be executed, while the army signalled that it was prepared to crush dissent by telling Iranians that it would confront “the enemies” behind the unrest. Demonstrators condemned the anti-government protesters as “Israel’s soldiers”, live state television coverage showed. They also shouted “Death to America” and “Death to Israel”, common slogans the country’s clerical rulers use to try and stir up support for authorities, who claimed the demonstrations of support were spontaneous. “Offenders of the Qur’an must be executed,” the crowds chanted.
As per the evidence above, I think there are some WP:POV issues concerning the material you added, which should be addressed. Right now, it (perhaps unintentionally) seems as if you tried to pick the best of both worlds, that is, using a good source, whilst carefully omitting the part that sheds negative light on the government and its supporters. Thanks, - LouisAragon ( talk) 12:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
[personal attack removed] Sahar Karimy ( talk) 23:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hey, so I added in the header all of the names that she was known by from the Death of Mahsa Amini page, along with the written form of them in the respective languages. From my understanding that article has reached a consensus to keep all forms in the article but use "Mahsa Amini" as primary. If this is incorrect let me know thanks. Leaky.Solar ( talk) 14:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
You must understand that this page is not his biography. The content you want to add has nothing to do with our discussion and this information does not help English speakers, it just makes this article ugly and unreadable.
On Mahsa Amini's death page, impartial people removed his second name from the list for the same reason as I said above. But since there is no page of Mehsa Amini, his second name and... are still in the text of that page. That page is very different from the page protesting Ishlan's murder.
Also, in similar cases, Wikipedia does not have a process that edits you, and only their official or well-known names appear on pages other than their biographies.
Mitrayasna ( talk) 19:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Should the Pahlavi Dynasty sponsored National Council of Iran be included? For example, in the protesters goals page, should we add the restoration of the Shahdom (Imperial State of Iran) considering most of the protesters expressed nostalgia for Mohamed Reza Shah and his dynasty VosleCap ( talk) 16:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Adding such section seems necessary to me, as one significant event the has been caused by the protests is the brutal bombing that happened just a few hours ago on Northern Iraq by the IRGC. See 2022 Koya drone bombing
Nicxjo ( talk) 20:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
It's wrong to have biased one sides article. Mention Pro-Hijab protests also. 202.47.41.26 ( talk) 21:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Please someone place Mexico and Chile in the international reactions.
Maybe also add a bit of info in previous protests? Like the girls of revolution street (who were the first to take off veil) and the 2017 and 2019 protests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:8880:5A68:41D7:7FA0:956A:C845 ( talk) 07:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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The MRI and cat scan of Mahsa Amini is not showing any abnormalities. This content wrongfully claims that it showed significant foul play which is unverified and according to social media account which doesn't have any formal qualification or required medical knowledge to claim so. Nigahiga69 ( talk) 04:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
It was expanded in its earliest use in previous times, so I suspect it was inadvertantly removed during an edit, and should be replaced. I defer to an editor already well trusted for this sensitive page. Cheers! -- H Bruce Campbell ( talk) 03:20, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
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Can you please add a link to the journalist Niloofar Hamedi's article? She is mentioned in this article. Thank you.-- BlueBlack ( talk) 03:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC) BlueBlack ( talk) 03:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Re the mentions of unconfirmed videos perhaps someone could check whether they have now been confirmed e.g. by Bellingcat Chidgk1 ( talk) 16:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello, please update the timeline with new protests news:
Protests continued in different cities in Iran. Tehran, Sanandaj, Rasht, Ghom, Bojnord and many other cities were the places people protests and chanted against injustice and brutality of officials. [2] The Guardian, [3]DW, [4]VOA News. H2KL ( talk) 08:22, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
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I think that we should change the title of the page, something like 'September 2022 Iranian Protests'. "Mahsa Amini" protests just sound weird, her death wasn't the only reason the protests started anyway, it was also mandatory hijab since 1979. Anyway, I don't know how to change the title. So, anyone? AradTheSimp ( talk) 23:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
I would suggest it be changed to something like “2022 Iranian unrest” and I agree with you that Mahsa Amini’s death isn’t the only thing they’re uprising against. Thotianaa ( talk) 02:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
I think Mahsa Amini protests should be moved to September 2022 Iranian protests. It seems better because the protests werent just caused caused by the death of Mahsa Amini. HiltonCalifornia ( talk) 22:17, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Mahsa Amini protests → Mahsa Amini death protests – The tile is kind of misleading that the protests are being led by the deceased, while it rather should be the "Protest against death of Mahsa Animi". BoyHayHay ( talk) 04:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC) BoyHayHay ( talk) 04:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Is a list of casualties with their names really necessary? Almost every one of them is not notable. I’m pretty sure this is even against WP policies like WP:BLP. I know that mzny projects have a general consensus not to include such lists on articles detailing events with fatalities. T v x1 13:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
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Probably notable for the article here, if anybody with edit privileges would like to make a mention.
Iran: Teen protester Nika Shakarami's body stolen, sources say (BBC)
"Iranian security forces stole the body of a 16-year-old protester, and buried her secretly in a village, sources close to the family told BBC Persian. The family had planned to bury Nika Shakarami on Monday, but her body was snatched and buried in a village about 40km (25 miles) away, the sources said. Nika went missing for 10 days after protesting in Tehran on 20 September ... Nika's family finally found her body in a morgue at a detention centre in the capital. 'When we went to identify her, they didn't allow us to see her body, only her face for a few seconds,' said Atash Shakarami, Nika's aunt. Nika's family transferred her body to her father's hometown of Khorramabad in the west of the country on Sunday - on what would have been her 17th birthday. Under duress the family agreed not to hold a funeral but security forces 'stole' Nika's body from Khorramabad and buried it in the village of Veysian, one source said ... Hadis' sisters say she was shot in the head and neck with live ammunition and also birdshot fired from a shotgun. Two pictures of her body show birdshot wounds. 'They wouldn't return the body for two days, asking her father to say she had died of a heart attack out of fear,' two sources close to the family told BBC Persian. In a final video message Hadis sent to her friends, which BBC Persian obtained, she says: 'I hope in a few years when I look back, I will be happy that everything has changed for the better.' She was shot dead almost an hour after recording this message, her family said."
Iranian schoolgirls take up battle cry as protests continue (The Guardian)
"Nika Shahkarami, who lived in Tehran and would have turned 17 on Sunday, vanished in September. Her family found her body in a detention centre’s morgue 10 days later, BBC Persian reported."
Iranian schoolgirls give clerical leaders the finger as they join uprising against the regime (The Telegraph)
"Footage has emerged of a group of schoolchildren in the city of Karaj near Tehran chasing an education official off the premises as they hurled empty water bottles at him and chanted 'shame on you'. It came as the BBC reported that Iranian security forces secretly buried the body of a 16-year-old protester far from her village after she disappeared for ten days. In a last message to her friends, Nika Shakarami had said she was being pursued by security forces. Her relatives told the BBC that when they went to identify Nika's body they were only allowed to briefly see her face, raising suspicions that she may have been killed by the authorities. Security forces then 'stole' the body and buried it in a faraway village, relatives said."
Iran's president calls for national unity as anti-government protests spread (Australia Broadcasting Corp)
"The recent death of a 17-year-old girl in Tehran, however, has unleashed an outpouring of anger on Iranian social media. Nika Shahkarami, who lived in the capital with her mother, vanished one night last month during the protests in Tehran, her uncle Kianoush Shakarami told the semiofficial Tasnim news agency. She was missing for a week before her lifeless body was found in a Tehran street and was returned to her family, Tasnim reported, adding relatives had not received official word on how she died. Foreign-based Iranian activists allege she died in police custody, with hundreds circulating her photo online and using her name as a hashtag for the protest movement. The prosecutor in the western Lorestan province, Dariush Shahoonvand, denied any wrongdoing by authorities and said she was buried in her village on Monday."
We can only be in awe of young women such as Nika Shakarami (The Independent)
"With family ties to Iran's southwestern city of Khorramabad, she was just shy of 17 years old when she took part in a 20 September protest in Tehran sparked by the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini, the young woman who was killed after being arrested by the morality police. Shakarami went missing. Her family looked for her for days, searching for clues at police stations and hospitals. They posted messages on social media. But like Amini, Shakarami never made it home alive. Regime officials delivered her badly damaged body, with stitches and signs of physical assault, on 29 September. Authorities provided no explanation and not a single measure of accountability for the death of the young woman. Adding flagrant insult to injury, regime officials grabbed her body from the mortuary and buried her against the family's wishes in a village, in an apparent attempt to avoid a politically charged funeral march. The family and her supporters tried to hold one anyway, and were met with regime gunmen firing birdshot ... Shakarami's grieving mother can be seen on 3 October in viral media, defiantly speaking out for her dead daughter. 'Today was your birthday, my dear!' she says through unimaginable pain, her headscarf off. 'Today I say congratulations on your martyrdom!' "
Thanks everyone. Cheers.
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Hajipour faces trial over protest song Baraye. – Sca ( talk) 13:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Please add Category:Totalitarianism . 2601:C4:C300:A210:A9E9:CBCD:1587:6338 ( talk) 15:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
We only write all letters in capital when the word is an English acronym; for example: IAEA, which is the abbreviated form of International Atomic Energy Agency. But FARAJA isn't an English language acronym. It is Persian: (فراجا) (فرماندهی انتظامی جمهوری اسلامی). So I think Faraja is correct. Aminabzz ( talk) 18:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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The way you are writing the timeline seems to me very much biased in favour of the Iranian Government: All quotes are from Iranian government sources, and not much from the people. These are protests that are involving hundreds of thousands of people, especially the youngest generations. There are no voices of them in the timeline. Teoporta ( talk) 07:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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it is requested to remove "@" from Emmanuel Macron. BoyHayHay ( talk) 06:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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I propose that the Timeline section Timline be moved to Timeline of the Mahsa Amini protests. This section is more related to the topic of Timeline of the Mahsa Amini protests, specifically the day-to-day events. Geopony ( talk) 23:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
A global trend has started with celebrities and politicians protesting the rule of ayatollahs in Iran where participants cut their hair publicly. It's spreading like a wildfire.
A new section is needed to discuss this global trend. 2601:C4:C300:A210:806F:DA8:2522:E615 ( talk) 01:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
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Reza Pahlavi, and Maryam Rajavi have verified official account on the Twitter platform. -- 2601:C4:C300:A210:74EA:E6E0:DB5A:1542 ( talk) 16:13, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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Most of what is on here looks like Western propaganda supporting this when there is clear CCTV footage if Mahsa Amini dying of a heart attack. I don't understand why Wikipedia is now full of pro-Western propaganda. Please fix this article somehow please. Muhafiz-e-Pakistan ( talk) 14:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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Can sanctions be merged into the reactions section? They seem like a form of reaction, and the material is somewhat related and redundant. Likewise there are international reactions such as support protests mentioned in the timeline, maybe those can be pulled out and organized together as well. - Indefensible ( talk) 05:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Artist Turns Iran Fountains Red to Reflect Bloody Crackdown 2601:C4:C300:A210:3CAE:B1DD:FCF:FDE3 ( talk) 17:55, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
please move this article to the Iran's 2022 Protests Caravaneternity ( talk) 08:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. There is overwhelming consensus to move the page, based on WP:TITLE and WP:COMMONNAME. There are also numerous examples of reputable media outlets referring to these as the "Mahsa Amini protests." Some oppose comments suggest terms that are not commonly used (ie. "2022 Iranian revolution") or don't make a compelling argument for keeping it as "September." If we look at the Wikidata item and see the titles from other Wikipedia language editions, using "September" in the title is not common, and most are using titles similar in form to "Mahsa Amini protests." Better to close this now, as there is no need to prolong things. Fuzheado | Talk 19:33, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
September 2022 Iranian protests → Mahsa Amini protests – The protests are extending well into October and will likely continue for months to come. IDK how this was considered a "bold move without consensus", it's a commonsense move. Dunutubble ( talk) ( Contributions) 18:11, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedians, please rename the entry adequatly. "September protests" is no longer valid as the protests have extended into October and may continue still... It should be another name, like: "September and October 2022 Iranian protests" or "Autumn 2022 Iranian protest" or if do not take the name from the calendar but chose anoter way of naming them, e.g. subject matter: "2022 Iranian protests sparked by Mahsa Amini's death" or "The Great Iranian Protests of 2022" "The Greatest Iranian Protests of since the Islamic Revolution" or something else. Thank you for you ideas! Ivonna Nowicka ( talk) 10:38, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
"Those who beat up (Iranian) women and girls on the street, who abduct, arbitrarily imprison and condemn to death people who want nothing other than to live free - they stand on the wrong side of history," German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock told Bild am Sonntag newspaper on Sunday.
[9] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/protests-continue-across-iran-rights-group-reports-19-minors-killed-2022-10-09/ 2601:C4:C300:A210:7D72:6144:3C3B:EDDC ( talk) 19:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
It is time we create and record a list of detainees and I was thinking of creating a separate article since:
A separate article would also match the existing article in Wiki Farsi and could be linked to it: https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/بازداشت%E2%80%8Cشدگان_اعتراضات_سراسری_۱۴۰۱_ایران
It would include the names of the detainees in alphabetic order, followed by a short bio about them. Some examples are: Shervin Hajipour, Faezeh Hashemi Rafsanjani, Niloofar Hamedi, Amir Emad Mirmirani, Majid Tavakoli, Hossein Ronaghi, Kaveh Rezaei, Hossein Mahini, ...
I'm available to create the list, but wanted to run it by everyone here first. BlueBlack ( talk) 01:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
These protests have been happening for 11 days. adding information for each day of protests is clogging up space. I propose we change this to a few paragraphs of information which will be added onto for however long these protests last. Manumaker08 ( talk) 17:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please change: Fars News, partially affiliated with the IRGC called him [...]
To: Fars News, partially affiliated with the IRGC, called him [...]
(This is in the "Iranian citizens" section, second bullet point. To be precise, I am requesting that a comma be added after "IRGC".)
Also, please change:
Inside Gilan province police and Iranian revolutionary guards arrested [...]
To: Inside Gilan province, police and Iranian revolutionary guards arrested [...]
(This is in the "September 24" section, second paragraph. Please put a comma after "province".)
Thanks! BentSm ( talk) 21:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
please add this to the article:
Caravaneternity ( talk) 08:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
I really agree with spliting the timeline into a different article, because these protests show no sign of slowing down and will probably go on for mich longer. THEREALhistoryandgames ( talk) 12:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Here's a good overview article:
How much trouble is Iran’s ruling regime in? Why the Mahsa Amini movement is different than previous protests.
The immediate cause of the protests was Amini’s death, and rage directed at the country’s repressive religious laws. But the situation in Iran was already combustible thanks to years of economic distress, caused by a combination of factors including international sanctions linked to the country’s nuclear program and the lingering impact of the coronavirus, as well as mismanagement and corruption. The country’s gross domestic product plunged by nearly 60 percent between 2017 and 2020. While growth did begin to recover last year, inflation remains a massive problem, with Iranians paying as much as 75 percent more for food than they did a year ago. One in three Iranians now lives in poverty.
In addition to the street protests, the movement is now becoming an industrial action with workers at several oil and petrochemical plants going on strike. These include the symbolically important Abadan oil refinery where strikes in 1978 played a major part in the revolution that overthrew the shah.
A number of statements from the current protesters, including Hajipour’s viral anthem, also reference environmental issues. In the past year, the country has endured flash floods, droughts, and punishing heat waves. While hardly alone in that regard, critics blame the government for mismanagement that has led to environmental problems including the water shortages that sparked protests and rioting in the city of Isfahan last year.
Might be good to maybe make a mention of the food price increases (75%) or water shortages/ecological issues and government mismanagement, as other possible reasons for ongoing protests. Cheers!
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Should the Indian Protests FOR wearing hijabs be added to the see also? Both happening around the same time and are relevant to each other. See here Lachielmao ( talk) 23:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Maybe better to change the name of the page to "Iran 2022 protests" as it is now beyond protests against Mahsa Amini's death, although it started with that. On Wiki Persian section also the title is "Iran 2022 protests". In the history of the protests it is mentioned that it was started with Mahsa's death. Khobar2022 ( talk) 12:53, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
"Hackers supporting Iran's wave of women-led protests interrupted a state TV news broadcast with an image of gun-sight crosshairs and flames over an image of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in footage widely shared online on Sunday."
Iran state TV hacked with image of supreme leader in crosshairs 2601:C4:C300:A210:7D72:6144:3C3B:EDDC ( talk) 17:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Please split the timeline into a new article. 2601:C4:C300:A210:13D:9000:5AAE:57EA ( talk) 13:49, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
The protests began actually with death of Mahsa Amini but it can not more be named after her. Analogy: Arab spring began with death of Mohamed Bouazizi, but is not be named after him like as "Mohamed Bouazizi revolution" or "Mohamed Bouazizi protests", .... In Persian Wikipedia they named the protests not after Mahsa Amini but named it as: "Nationwide protests of 1401 in Iran" (Nationwide protests of 2022 in Iran). Savalanni ( talk) 22:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
In the case of Google (and other search engines such as Bing and Yahoo!), the hit count at the top of the page is unreliable and should usually not be reported.Those numbers you quoted are not real. Those aren't the actual hit counts. Even if you were to pull the real numbers (HITS explains how), you'd then have to somehow filter out all the non-RS from the RS, which of course you can't do. HITS then goes on to talk about the various search engine biases (which of course includes Wikipedia mirrors, SEO, and other problems).
For future reference, if you want to quote Google numbers, it's better to quote Google News hit counts and/or Google Scholar hit counts; those are at least better than Google web hit counts, though both still include unreliable sources. (There's also Ngrams for pre-2019 topics, but that doesn't help us and has its own problems too). A "simple googling with exact phrases", as you put it, doesn't give us any reliable information. There is no substitute for an analysis of RS--Google is not a helpful shortcut for figuring out common name. Levivich ( talk) 03:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
As a counterpoint, we have George Floyd Protests, so this is at least partially WP:CONSISTENT with other protests caused by police action. Benica11 ( talk) 23:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Savalanni and others: There's no law against preliminary discussions, but please be aware that no controversial move can actually happen without following the WP:MOVEREQ process, otherwise opponents of the move won't have a fair chance to respond. In addition, the MOVEREQ process allows a move discussion to be archived in the list of prior move discussions for the article, to reduce the need for people repeating themselves. Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 21:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Please change Iranian Revolutionary Guards to Islamic Revolutionary Guards, their name doesn't have Iran in it at all.
It would also be great if the state is called "Islamic Republic" instead of Iranian government as they never call themselves an Iranian government but an Islamic state. It's also insisted by the protesters to differentiate between the nation and the state, and it may be helpful to pay attention to that.
Also, the protests against compulsory Hijab did not begin in 2017, it began in 1979: /info/en/?search=International_Women%27s_Day_Protests_in_Tehran,_1979 Exhaustedgolsa ( talk) 03:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
While there isn't any centralised leadership that all protestors gather around, there are definitely different angles of protests against the IRI. Ranging from ethnic separatism to political groups, which could be more informative than just "no centralised leadership". Genabab ( talk) 12:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
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Are you sure that Artesh has been involved in all of this? From what I know they're busy with lots of other things, and they are basically the people's army anyway if you look at their motto. I don't think the government has deployed any Artesh units against the people in this protests. AradTheSimp ( talk) 20:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Please also remove Sayyari and Mousavi from the lead figures section, they are Artesh commanders so if thete isn't a source for the involvement of Artesh, these two people weren't involved either. AradTheSimp ( talk) 16:47, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a clarification needed tag in the Sanctions section regarding the acronym LEF. LEF stands for Law Enforcement Forces. See https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0969 and Law Enforcement Command of Islamic Republic of Iran (scroll down to external links to see the acronym).
I can't make changes as an IP user, so if somemone could, that would be great. Thanks in advance. 71.11.5.2 ( talk) 14:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Images of 80000 protesters from all over Europe on 2022-10-22 in Berlin: c:Category:Solidarity demonstrations related to Mahsa Amini protests in Iran in Berlin 2022-10-22. C.Suthorn ( talk) 23:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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Under the Sports section of In Popular Culture, add a short paragraph about Elnaz Rekabi not wearing a hijab at the 2022 IFSC Climbing Asian Championships and events following her return to Iran. My example text:
During the 2022 IFSC Climbing Asian Championships in
Seoul,
South Korea, Iranian climber
Elnaz Rekabi received international attention when she competed without a mandatory hijab, a move widely considered to be a show of support for the ongoing protests.
[1]
[2] Despite being hailed as a hero by a cheering crowd upon her return to Tehran, Rekabi has since claimed that the act was not intended to be symbolic, stating publicly and on social media that she had merely been in a rush before it was her turn to compete in the event and that this caused her headscarf to inadvertently fall off.Cite error: A <ref>
tag is missing the closing </ref>
(see the
help page).
[3] Human rights organisations and activists have voiced concern that these statements may have been coerced by the Iranian government, and it has since been reported by the media that she has been placed under
house arrest.
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[5] End.
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References
According to the latest update of the Iranian Human Rights Organization (IHR), the number of identified victims of the protests has increased to 277 included 40 children ( 1). Please update statistics -- Mahan ( talk) 09:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Great article from The Intercept about leaked documents involving Iran's Communications Regulatory Authority, and their surveillance system called "SIAM":
https://theintercept.com/2022/10/28/iran-protests-phone-surveillance/
Good info here for the Internet blackouts section of the article. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 06:02, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please add this to the article:
According to HRANA, until November 3 the number of confirmed dead protesters reached 298 people, including 47 children, and 36 repressive forces of the Islamic regime were also killed. The number of official arrests has reached more than 14,161 (Source: 1, 2). -- Mahan ( talk) 07:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Is Mr Musk's satellite network being used to help the protestors in the same way that it is helping the Ukrainians? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 ( talk) 07:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please change Title of article from "Mahsa Amini protests" to "Iranian Revolution of 2022- (beginning with Mahsa Amini protests)" Jomhouriye ( talk) 22:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
These protests have expanded to the scale of a revolution, and multiple noteworthy media outlets, including the National Post, CNN, The Guardian, and the New York Magazine have described it as such. Not to mention, the hashtag #IranRevolution2022 is one of the most used hashtags regarding Iran nowadays. I would suggest keeping the page up to date with what's going on on the streets and match the slogan of those who chant "don't call this a protest, this is an actual revolution." Exhaustedgolsa ( talk) 03:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Exhaustedgolsa, Levivich, Genabab, and Manumaker08: I started a section on "Revolution". There are certainly plenty of Wikipedia-notable intellectuals who are publicly insisting that the events are a revolution; and there are academics who have said that the protests have been shifting from reform/evolution to revolution. This is not (currently) enough for a title change, but the analysis is notable. (All the five factors mentioned by Ghasseminejad+2020 appear to be strengthening in the current protests, consistent with the Ghasseminejad+2020 claim of a switch to revolution in 2017; however, this is my personal interpretation only, which doesn't count for the article.) Boud ( talk) 00:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
@ STSC: Could you please clarify what you mean by the UNDUE tag? I think that a better section title might be Reform versus revolution, because this is the simplest common way of describing sociopolitical change, and avoids choosing a position about which accurately describes the current protests and their effects. But I don't see a problem with the content - academic analysis of events is part of knowledge, not just the events themselves. There's one paragraph with intellectuals' opinions, and one with academics' descriptions of their research. Boud ( talk) 13:18, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Massive deletions of world countries is uncalled for. Please split this into a new article. 2601:C4:C300:A210:42C:54B:742F:AE48 ( talk) 02:41, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Hossein Salami threatened Saudi Arabia over media coverage of Mahsa Amini protests: https://www.iranintl.com/en/202210178566
Saudi Arabia said Iran is trying to distract attention from the Mahsa Amini protests by poising to carry out attacks on both Saudi Arabia and Iraq: https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-u-s-on-high-alert-after-warning-of-imminent-iranian-attack-11667319274 JohnnyPedro1998 ( talk) 18:47, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
As acknowledged in the article about the language, Farsi is the correct endonym. At minimum the uses of "Persian" in the article text should be changed to Farsi; I'd also support the language translations saying Farsi, although if there's a policy on this I'm not aware of that should take precedence. Amyipdev ( talk) 17:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Please ensure that any protesters shown cannot be identified in order to protect them from repercussions. 95.91.244.227 ( talk) 00:29, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
They are commanders of the army. And there is no proof for the significant involvement of the army in the protests. So if the army hasn't been involved, then neither have those two. AradTheSimp ( talk) 05:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
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