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My inclusion of the statement "Standard Marathi is defined as the language of the Deshastha Brahmins and the like, in and around Pune." has been disputed. The complete dispute is at: Talk:Maharashtra#Marathi_statement_dispute Zuggernaut ( talk) 23:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
In which sense is M. the most advanced state. Figures, facts?
Good start, but let's work on NPOV here.
"Maharashtra is the most advanced state in India". Like the above poster, I'd like to know "advanced" how? Number of cell phones? Poets? Lithium mines?
"It has a glorious history" -- Every place likes to think it has a glorious history. Let's just stick with the supporting facts.
We can say tha Maharashtra is the most advanced "Big" state in india as its GSDP is much higher than other states and its is most industrialised state in the country.~~~~
This is also teh state in which farmers commit most number of suicides every year for lack of ability to even feed themselves
I've added the figures from "Times of India" on the revenue collected from Maharashtra. Mahasrashtra adds about $20 Billion to New Delhi's cofers every year through taxes.
Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Temp pages for discussion of their use. I've removed the inappropriate message from the Article. Other editors should be aware that there is a Maharashtra/temp, and that this is being worked on in parallel with the article. They should therefore make any additions, excisions, corrections, etc., to both the article and the temp page. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 11:02, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page links to the disambiguation page groundnut, but I'm not sure which sense is intended. Can you help? Thanks. — Pekinensis 20:40, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. — Pekinensis 12:38, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
State animal: shekroo (giant squirrel): Ratufa Indica =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:15, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
Some of the entries are a bit obscure; what do "2nd" and "3rd" mean in this context? And what does "area magnitude=11 mean? -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 20:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
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I have added a new template in the bottom. Any comments??? This could be made dynamic once consensus is rcvd.
The reason for the new template is that there is no single place in the main Maharashtra article where all major cities and districts is located. Also, I think the seal needs to brought down from the infobox
Pizzadeliveryboy 22:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
The earlier revision of the article stated such arrant nonsense as the word "Maharashtra" is derived from the word "Mahar" !!!! As a Maratha, I take severe objection to this demeaning statement. No historian nor any researcher has mentioned this thing. This is somebody's fertile (or, futile) imagination at work. Just check the etymology section on the Maratha page. It gives the perfect etymological origin of Maharashtra. A word like "Mahar", which was used to demean the lower-caste people, a word which is no longer constitutionally correct is being used to describe our holy land, the "Maharashtra". It's someone's ploy of maligning the Marathi public. But we'll certainly not let them succeed.
As far as "Maha rathi" is concerned, it is mentioned in many great historians, scholars and researchers' works inc. Lokmanya Tilak. For your information, "Maha" means great and "rathi" means charioter. So, literally the meaning becomes "Land of the great charioters". New Rock Star 18:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Another theory I read somewhere else(I am not sure where but I think it was either the Pearson IAS guide or Manorama year book) was that it is a derivative of the "Rashtrakuta" empire that existed before the Islamic conquests of the Deccan. Given that the Rashrakuta empire was located over western Deccan plateau and included most of modern Maharashtra, I feel this posibility may also be counted -- Deepak D'Souza 10:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
What you are saying Mistake made in 1901 (unknowingly or purposefully), when foriegn invaders in india, who never wished localite indians to know their history, ability and traditions so it is easier to tame them, to enslave them; We are still Carrying !!! We are still insulting Maha-Rathi's for internal petty jealousies.
just because one person (Mr Rusell or whosoever) tells us, at one place, we forget 2000 years history that land of Maha-Rathi's have provided Great Ashoka, Empiror SataVahana, Emperor Rashtrakuta and King Shivaji with Best of Warriors. The Land which is so advanced and industrial today. Most funny JOKE is none of these historian are from Maharashtra, how can they be so sure about Maharashtrian history ! and how we know they are not baised.
Term Mahar is not at all demeaning because Maha-r have proved what indeed Great-Warriors they are by helping Shivaji build most swift, quick, robust yet light army. Yet again by helping British defeat Peshwas, when mistake was made to remove them from Maratha army. Mahar's are acknowledged hard-workers, may be reason why this land is was called Mara-Rathi's land in first place.
The fact still remains Indian slave mentality who just because XX person tells him, prefers to call fellow indians:Maha-Rathi's in demeaning way ! No concerns calling Maharashtra land of Maha-rs, But IT MEANS ONLY ONE AND ONE THING - LAND OF MAHA-RATHIs. We don't need Russel / Delhi Gazette to tell us, what Warriors Maha-rs or Maha-Rathi's are. It is already proved it When Satavahana and Maratha Kingdoms ruled more than half of India, when Ashoka and Rashtrakuta recruited warriors from this land. I don't think we need Indian Gazette for that, Do WE ?
Can I request you to put things in correct context in main article. Either say MahaRathi and Mahar both meaning great warriors; and Maha-Rashtra meaning great nation. OR Delete un-necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.86.33 ( talk) 22:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I hve replaced the computer generated voice with my own. I feel that the computer voice was not having he proper intonation & that an Indian voice would be much better here. Hope thats not a problem.
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Surely Maharashtra has a substantial cultural identity, so why is there no mention of culture so far in this article?
good idea. suggestions for this section
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An anon ( 24.7.93.43 ( talk · contribs)) has just added that Nagpur is the second capital of Maharashtra. I highly doubt that this is true, but can someone re-affirm this? I can't seem to find any reliable resources to refute this. Thanks -- Srikeit ( Talk | Email) 06:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I ("anon") was the person who wrote Nagpur is the second capital of Maharashtra. I grew up in Nagpur and it is correct that the winter session of the legislative assembly is held in Nagpur. I have always believed this ... but here are two references: Govt web site for Nagpur: http://nagpur.nic.in/ - check history section, last line (1960). Maharashtra IT Parks, Nagpur History Page: http://www.maharashtraitparks.com/itparks_about_nag.htm
Later,
- Neeraj,
I think that is far. I made that change.
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Let me rekindle this discussion. Nagpur is in fact the Second Capital of Maharashtra. History has it that Vidarbha had decided to join Maharashtra during the first state reorganization because of Nagpur pact. You can get a complete discussion of this from Indian Governments Rajya Sabha session dialogs mentioned here [1]. Open this link and search Nagpur. You would get it. I would try to find a better proof if you need more. I would changing the status of Nagpur in the article soon if I do not see anymore arguments. If you have anything more drop a message at gppande ( talk) 14:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I see conflicting data throughout the article in terms of size of Maharastra. I do know for sure that Maharastra is not the largest state ofIndia, also as per the area_rank feild my belief seems to be true. But somehow there are places in the article which it be the largest and provide numbers according to the claim. Can someone provide a proper reference about actual size of Maharastra and how it compares to the rest of states in India? Kedar 23:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Kedar,
The following links from the Govt. Of India website will help. Apparently Maharashtra is 3rd largest, behind Rajasthan and MP.
http://india.gov.in/knowindia/state_uts.php?id=23 (Rajasthan) http://india.gov.in/knowindia/state_uts.php?id=15 (MP) http://india.gov.in/knowindia/state_uts.php?id=16 (Maha)
Hope this helps.
Mihir — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihirsaswadkar ( talk • contribs) 00:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
There is a contradiction in the articles refering to the states of Maharashtra and Gujarat. Both are listed by Wikipedia as the countries leading industrial state.
Maharashtra's is India's leading industrial state contributing 13% of national industrial output. 64.14% of the people are employed in agriculture and allied activities. Almost 46% of the GSDP is contributed by industry
Gujarat is a state in the Republic of India. With 19.8% of the country's total industrial output, it is the most industrialized state in India. 141.109.96.97 20:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC) Although I'm not sure if the numbers are correct, assuming that they are the distinction given to Maharashtra in this article is false.
I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.4 and the map is not showing up in the main infobox at the top of the article. If I hover over it, it appears to be a link, and if I click on it I get the map on its page. Other SVG maps, such as for Andhra Pradesh or Karnataka, do show up just fine, but all I see is an empty box where this one should be. -- 38.115.151.134 22:53, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
This paragraph is obtuse:
Prabhu Ramchandra touched this land previously known as 'Dandaka-Aranya' (Deep woods). Shri. Prabhu Ramchndra commenced his attack on Lanka from this land. Over the centuries, gradually this Dandaka-Aranya turned into the sacred Maharashtra. Religion, Philosophy, Technology, Arts, Knowledge, Bravery evolved here for centuries...Many dynasties from Satvahan to Shilahaar including Rashtrakut, Chalukya, Aadhin, Saindrikya, Kalchuri, Vakatak, Kadamba, Pallav etc. ruled Maharashtra rituously. Poets created Kavya-Kailas in this land. Sculptures crafted Kailas-kavya in black stones of Maharashtra.
Touched? Rituously? and jumbled.
DrLeonP 08:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
HI Kaveri, i have removed the new subsection related to music as it has been already been put under Entertainment. Incase you still want to havea seperate section for music. Then i think you wil have to edit the Entertainment secion too. in my opinion just club them and add your info (Asro 07:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC))
There was an attempt to 'Kannadize' the article. I have corrected the opening paragraph of the article. Please remember we are INDIANS and we should respect the other regions of the country which do not speak the same language as ours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam.khawse ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
The list of forts in Maharashtra has been moved to a dedicated list page (needs work) to reduce the size of the article. An enthusiastic editor has also dumped the following list of trekking spots there. I thought it would be a waste to delete them. And so they are moved to below until we can find something better to do with them. - Mayuresh 16:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
101 Trekking spots in Sahyadris
The B/W picture of the skyline is vertically stretched, the buildings are actually somewhat shorter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.179.10 ( talk) 20:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Tow issues. Number 1: In third paragraph of the introuction of the article, it says that Maharashtra contributes to 15% of Industrial output, whereas in the third paragraph of Economy section, the industrial output is 13%, Which is correct?
Number 2: Reference number three reports "In 2005-06, the state contributed 15% to India ’s industrial output and 12 % to GDP". Reference 4 says "Maharashtra contributes to almost 14.7 per cent of India's gross domestic product and 15.1 per cent of the national income." However the article says Maharashtra is India's most developed and urbanized state, contributing 15% of the country's industrial output and 14.7% of its GDP. Apparently, the big number from both the references have been randomly chosen.
Reference 3 is the worldbank website, which is a third party reliable source. Therefore, I suggest to correct the numbers. Docku ( talk) 19:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I guess Maharashtra has the highest GDP/per capita according to this table. Year 2005-2006 data is a reasonable data to include. All that we need to do is to devide the GDP by population. The problem is that we have reliable population data only from 2001. The information is from Ministry of Statistics of Program Implementation. Guess, it is a reliable source. Docku ( talk) 21:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Maharashtra is not necessarily the richest state in India. A more recent article referring to the data from Directorate of Economics and Statistics, Govt of India. Even some articles in Wikipedia have evidence to the contrary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshall1984 ( talk • contribs) 19:41, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
According to this article, Tamil Nadu is the most urbanised state in India. This The Hindu article was published in May 2008. In contrast, the reference used in Maharashtra article is from data from 1991. Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am not wrong, we may need to remove the claim. Docku ( talk) 20:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
maharashtra is not richest state of india there are other state has more per capita income then maharashtra like gujarat, goa, delhi and punjab so how could some user take fake data and make vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.185.163 ( talk) 03:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
The whole section is written in superlative and superfluos language lacking, in many cases, citations. Guess, it needs some work on it. Dock Hi 21:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the image is too crude, shows incomplete data - since Maharashtra was formed as a state in 1961 - and no other FA state articles like West Bengal or Kerala have such an image. I think image should be moved to some article which is about elections or article of Maharashtra legislature. -- gppande «talk» 16:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I propose that a photo gallery be added to show the great symbols of maharashtra. Also the indian state of Bihar has a photo galley and punjab pakistan. So why not Maharashtra.Dewan S. Ahsan 22:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
They should not be there in FAs. Commonscat suiffices. YellowMonkey ( click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
This is a Best Travel and Tourism portal of maharashtra . . . www.holidaysmaharashtra.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Holidaysmaharashtra ( talk • contribs) 11:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please clarify the number of divisions in Maharashtra? Six or seven? Paalappoo ( talk) 14:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
My experience of staying in Maharashtra for 28 years tells me Diwali is still the largest festival in Maharashtra and not Ganeshotsav. In what sence it has been claimed that Ganeshotsav is the largest festival? Number of days? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhi shidhore ( talk • contribs) 12:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I think its worth mentioning the border dispute with Karnataka for Belgum district in this article. This border dispute article is already present in wiki so it can be linked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhi shidhore ( talk • contribs) 12:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Text in the section "Buddhist Era" was a near-exact copy of http://www.indiaprofile.com/religion-culture/buddhisminmaharashtra.htm; I reverted the edits recently made by an IP, -- MegaSloth ( talk) 01:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Quote 1: "Rajaram's nephew & Sambhaji's son, Shahu Bhosale [...]" Ampersands are not freely interchangeable with 'and'.
Quote 2: "In 1714, Shahu's Peshwa (chief minister) Balaji Vishwanath, helped him seize the Maratha throne in 1708, with some acrimony from Rajaram's widow, Tara Bai." When did this happen?
140.105.47.84 ( talk) 08:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Disputed statement: "Marathi as spoken by the Deshastha Rigvedi Brahmin community of Pune is Standard Marathi." Which Marathi is "Standard Marathi" is disputed issue. The cited source of this statement may be a WP:FRINGE theory. We need more than 1 source to prove that a certain Marathi is standard. Also the Maharashtra government [3] does not say that "Marathi as spoken by the Deshastha Rigvedi Brahmin community of Pune is Standard Marathi." -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
-- Deepak D'Souza ( talk) 04:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-08-15/Deshastha Brahmin
I am providing yet another source so including Nemade, we now have three four six sources supporting the disputed statement. I have provided counter arguments in the third column regarding why I find Nemade a reliable source. The table:
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Ramchandra Vithal Parulekar; Vaman Pandurang Khanolkar, eds. (1965), Indigenous elementary education in the Bombay Presidency in 1855 and thereabouts: (being a departmental survey of indigenous education), Indian Institute of Education, p. 262 | No quote, only data. Page 262 of the book has tables showing the teachers and their castes. These teachers were trained in one particular Marathi and then they were sent all over Maharashtra to teach that dialect as standard Marathi. |
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Nemāḍe, Bhālacandra (1990), The Influence of English on Marathi: a sociolinguistic and stylistic study, Rajhauns Vitaran,
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The first problem they faced was which variety was to be taken as standard for description. This they solved by adopting the speech of Deshastha Brahmans of Pune. [4] Nemade has a detailed discussion (section 4.4, pages 98-101) on the standardization of Marathi. He gives and explores the six factors that affected the development of Standard Marathi. The Deshastha Brahmin claim features in one of the six factors. Detailed, expanded quote is here. |
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Candy, Thomas; Candy, George; Kalelkar, Narayan Govind; Molesworth, James Thomas (1975), Molesworth's Marathi-English dictionary, Nirali Prakashan, p. Ten, ISBN 9788186411575 | The work of the dictionary was undertaken at the behest of Mountstuart Elphinstone who was Governor of Bombay. Marathi was defined as the speech of Deshastha Brahmans and the like, spoken in and around the region of Poona. |
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Bloch, Jules (1970), The formation of the Marāṭhī language, translated by Dev Raj Chanana, Motilal Banarsidass Publ, ISBN 9788120823228 | The dictionary of Molesworth which is the work of a group of local scholars is the best available dictionary of any modern Indo-Aryan language.
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The 1831 Candy, et al work was very comprehensive and till now remains authoritative. [6] |
From a reputed publishing house on Indology, builds on a plethora of other work, cited elsewhere, scholarly work, etc. |
Ghagve, Balshastri; Phadke, Gangadharshastri; Joshi, Sakharam; Shukla, Dajishastri; Godbole, Parshurampant (1829), A Dictionary of the Maratha Language, Bombay: at the society's Press (In McDonald) | "This is a dictionary...of the words which appear in the ordinary speech of Deshastha Brahmans and others living in the Maharashtra country" | A product of the planned standardization of Marathi by the British Indian government |
Nemāḍe, Bhālacandra (1990), The Influence of English on Marathi: a sociolinguistic and stylistic study, Rajhauns Vitaran,
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"The pronunciation of the Dehsastha Rigvedi gains prominence" [7] | See Bhālacandra Nemāḍe |
McDonald, Ellen E. (1968), "The Modernizing of Communication: Vernacular Publishing in Nineteenth Century Maharashtra", Asian Survey, Vol. 8, No. 7, Modernization in South Asian Studies: Essays in a Changing Field | In the first dictionary of the Marathi language of 1829, the authors are blunt in identifying that the social group whose speech formed the basis of their dictionary was the Deshastha Brahmans and others elites. [8] | Well respected University of California, Berkley researcher; the dictionary itself is another product which is separate from Molesworth but it came from the same office overseeing the standardization of Marathi under the government of Bombay province. |
Zuggernaut ( talk) 20:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I have been busy in real life, so have been late in responding. My observations:
Mr. D'Souza & Zuggernaut, Numerically the Marathas were and are superior. However, when you are dealing with an era when most communities were forbidden to be literate, then the community which holds monopoly on learning, i.e. the brahmins, can influence what is the "standard speech". As to why Deshastha and not Kokanastha accent for the standard speech could be something to do with politics of early 1800s. I am just speculating here. As a deshastha myself, I can say that my relations from different parts of Maharashtra have different accents. Some of my distant rural deshastha relations speak in the same accent as their Maratha neighbours. But overall, our family, including our close Kokanastha relations, speak in the "standard accent". Well, this my two pennies worth to the debate. 74.9.96.122 ( talk) 16:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Content I would like to include in Marathi (lead), Maharashtra and Pune:
“ | Standard Marathi is defined as the language that is spoken by the Deshastha Brahmins of Pune." [1] [2] [3] Standard Marathi is the official language of Maharashtra. [9] | ” |
I am proposing that we follow this 4 step process to bring this to closure.
Source | Zuggernaut | Redtigerxyz | Deepak D'souza | Other users, add columns | |
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Nemāḍe, Bhālacandra (1990). The Influence of English on Marathi: a sociolinguistic and stylistic study. Rajhauns Vitaran | Yes, this is a RS | ? | ? | ? | |
Candy, Thomas; Candy, George; Kalelkar, Narayan Govind; Molesworth, James Thomas (1975), Molesworth's Marathi-English dictionary, Nirali Prakashan | Yes, this is a RS | ? | ? | ? | |
Dhoṅgaḍe, Rameśa; Wali, Kashi (2009). "Marathi". London Oriental and African language library (John Benjamins Publishing Company) | Yes, this is a RS | ? | ? | ? |
“ | Of all the borrowings, loan translations are seen playing a greater role in standardizing the structural system of Marathi. As the available resources of Marathi were inadequate to the sciences, where language had to be used as a precise instrument, loans from the vanishing supraglossia were taken as substitutes to Enlgish terms. As a result there was a lexical subsystem of Sanskrit words in Marathi. The translators also established a new syntactic subsystem. A role similar to that of translators was played by grammarians. The first problem they faced was which variety was to be taken as standard for description. This they solved by adopting the speech of Deshastha Brahmans of Pune. They applied grammatical systems derived from English and Sanskrit to Marathi. | ” |
This is a part of the detailed discussion Nemade gives on pages 98-101 (section 4.4) about the six different factors that influenced the standardization of Marathi. Zuggernaut ( talk) 18:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
“ | The pandits were Balshastri Ghagve, Gandhar Shastri Phadke, Sakharam Joshi, Dajishastri Shukla, Parshurampant Godbole, Ramchandrashastri Hanhavekar and Hagannathshastri Kramvant, the last one being named as the editor of the project.
The dictionary is in two parts. The pages are not numbered. Two years later a supplement was added. The work of the dictionary was undertaken at the behest of Mountstuart Elphinstone who was Governor of Bombay. Marathi was defined as the speech of Deshasth Brahmans and the like, spoken in and around the region of Poona. |
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Zuggernaut | Yes, Nemade supports statements | Yes, Candy et all support statement |
Deepak D'Souza | Example | Example |
Redtigerxyz | Example | Example |
Other users | Example | Example |
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This article is written in very very poor format.Novice editors are requested not to add any hoax material and make article is of no use.Most importantly do not remove maintenance tag.kind regards & Thank You. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 10:40, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
On November 11, Ugog Nizdast reversed a number of unsourced edits, which stated that Nagpur is the second or winter capital of Maharashtra. This is a plausible idea, given that the Nagpur Pact resulted in the state legislature holding "winter sessions" in Nagpur and a bench of the Bombay High Court being based there. I looked into this briefly and found some sources which appeared to support the idea, but Ugog has raised the issue with me. Having looked through various sources including books, news and government websites, I am in two minds about this issue. I agree with Ugog that there are mostly fleeting mentions, with very little of substance. On the other hand there do seem to be a significant number of mentions, so it cannot be dismissed so easily. Amongst the sources are several government websites such as Income Tax Department, Press Information Bureau, Maharashtra Prathamik Shikshan Parishad, Governance Knowledge Centre, Maharashtra Tourism, Public Health Department, page 6 of this Meteorological Dept. paper, National Institute of Miners Health, Accountants General, Nagpur, Indian Railways, Geological Survey. There are also some books with mentions such as Land and People of Indian States and Union Territories, Buddhism and Dalits, Industrial Area and Regional Resources. However, there does not seem to be any mention in the Maharashtra state government website (i.e. maharashtra.gov.in) apart from a tender for computerized embroidery machinery, whilst the legislature does not appear to have a website. Thus, I am inclined to treat the idea of Nagpur as a second/winter capital as being a common but unofficial designation. Any ideas or other sources? Green Giant ( talk) 22:27, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
There is no mention of farmer's suicide (especially in the Vidarbha region) in this article. So this article does not paint a true picture of Maharashtra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.65.66 ( talk) 22:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
See the sentence in "History" beginning with: "After the break-up of the Bahamani sultanate, in 1518, Maharashtra split". The two commas leave the meaning ambiguous. Did the break-up occur in 1518, before the split? Or did the split occur in 1518, after the break-up? Or did both events take place consecutively in 1518? Please clarify. Folklore1 ( talk) 13:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I removed the comma. Folklore1 ( talk) 15:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi, wikipedians. I've done a large change in this particular article. I request you to all please please do not revert any edit, as i'm in process of adding more contents with references, correct citation and etc. Thanks for your co-operation. Kind regards. -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 17:00, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
See the sentence: "Physical features of Maharsahtra divided into Deccan plateau, which is separated from the Konkan coastline by 'Ghats'." I was unable to copy edit this sentence, because I do not understand it. Do the physical features divide the plateau, or is the plateau one of the physical divisions of Maharsahtra? Folklore1 ( talk) 14:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
This is still unclear to me, as I am unfamiliar with the geography of India. So I am going to leave it to you to revise this sentence. While the article has a "GOCE effort" tag, it's okay for other editors to apply changes. When I'm working on more detailed edits, I will hang a GOCE "on hold" tag (displaying a clock) to indicate that I want people to wait until I am finished. Folklore1 ( talk) 15:43, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I revised the sentence. Folklore1 ( talk) 19:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
See the sentence beginning with "The flora of regions such as Nag region". I do not understand it. Please clarify. Folklore1 ( talk) 15:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
The following sentence was copied exactly from the referenced source: "Maharashtra is said to have 3 game reserves, 5 national parks and 24 bird sanctuaries." Does Maharashtra actually have that many game reserves, national parks and bird sanctuaries? The wording of the source material causes me to wonder if the author is just guessing. Folklore1 ( talk) 16:02, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I revised the sentence. Folklore1 ( talk) 20:42, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
See the sentence containing: "offering their food first to the lord". What does "lord" refer to? Is this the lord of the castle, lord of the house, or a deity? In monotheistic faiths, an uppercase "Lord" refers to the singular god of that faith. Folklore1 ( talk) 19:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I put "the lord" in quotes. The source used lowercase, so I will keep it lowercase here. Folklore1 ( talk) 20:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I replaced an ampersand with "and". Folklore1 ( talk) 12:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone explain why sourced information on rural economy of Maharashtra and the cooperative sector's contribution to it is immature ? Ditto for political parties. Mr. 25 cent, please do not assume that you are writing for the tourist board or 4th grade geography chapter. If you want the article to achieve GA status then you will have to work by consensus and stop removing sourced information 12.111.55.194 ( talk) 01:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
For your information, in Maharashtra and in rest of India, political parties form the governments at various levels and the Bureaucrats report to the political bosses. That being so, it is absolutely necessary to have at least some mention of political parties. The West Bengal article mentions parties. Rural population still form the majority in the state and Cooperatives have played a huge role in that part of the economy. Why is even a cursory mention of that considered "immature" in your opinion ? As I said before, you are not writing this article for the tourism board. From our interaction on other articles, I understand your POV is to omit anything that can be considered negative. I am sure some people in Texas will sympathize with you . There some school boards are protesting against sections of high school curriculum that they think portrays USA in negative light ! As I said before, consensus is important if WE want to achieve GA for this article. That is why let us discuss politics, economy and other content here before we include it in the article. Thanks Jonathansammy ( talk) 17:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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I'm sorry to do this, seeing as you had to wait a while for this to be reviewed, but in its current state the article cannot pass the GAN without a substantial group effort to satisfy it. There are too many prose issues and dead links, along with some sections with almost no prose and just lists. I'm sure if all of the above could be addressed then this article would stand a better chance at the next GAN, but for now there is too much work to be done in seven days. Good luck ☯ Jag uar ☯ 18:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Who has pulled the a dick move of showing misal under the culture of maharashtra ? There are proper sampurna maharashtrian theories that need to be substituted there. Includes Puranpolee, modak, amti, bhat, bhaji, koshimbir, chutney, loncha, kurdai etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 54.240.196.185 ( talk) 23:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't see how this page can be merged here, that would be WP:UNDUE focus. I think at most, a statement mentioning this can be added here and linking to it. The separate article is fine as it is. - Ugog Nizdast ( talk) 13:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Why Mr. NeilN probably a foreigner is so obssessed for deleting the marathi scripted Maharashtra from the initial sentence, Maharashtra is a Marathi State but still NeilN has revived his monarchy of reverts under various roofs of rules which are surely important but interpreted by NeilN in his own way Sarita Narvekar ( talk) 12:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
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I believe Misal pav is not good representative of Maharashtrian cuisine. I believe a picture of thalpith, Pohe or Puranpoli would be a better representative. Please comment. Jonathansammy ( talk) 16:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I have removed image of Misal pav reinstated by another user. Let us discuss this further before adding an image. I like the concept of a collage but do not know how to put it together. The collage can include all the items discussed above. Anything that includes pav or baked bread Bun is not traditional Maharashtrian. I do not know any Marathi household that bakes their own bread ! On the other hand, puranpoli and pohe are either festival staple or everyday staple respectively. Zunka bhakar from rural Maharashtra may also be a good addition. Now I will speak with a forked tongue. Is cuisine of Maharashtra synonymous with cuisine of Marathi people ? Afterall, Maharashtra is an urbanized cosmopolitan state. Please weigh in on these issues before we come to a conclusion . Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 19:45, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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Four out of five images in the infobox are either of places in Mumbai or nearby. To the uninitiated this can give the impression of there being nothing of significance outside Mumbai. I believe this topic needs serious discussion. Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 18:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Here are a few images of Unesco world heritage sites in Maharashtra. We can keep some of the images of the modern structures. But it is important to have iumages from other parts of the state. Thanks.
Jonathansammy ( talk) 23:24, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Good job. Can we change the Matheran picture with this one ? It includes British era hill station Mahabaleshwar and Shivaji era fort of Pratapgad in one picture. You can include mention of Sahyadri range of western ghats in your caption. Since Western ghats are part of Unesco world sites, we can kill multiple birds with this picture.
Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 18:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello Ugog, I see that the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (Victoria Terminus(VT) image has been removed. I thought that VT was a better representation than the Gateway of India. The former is on the Unesco world heritage but the latter is not. Also, I am not sure about having two rock cut temple / caves there. We can either keep Ellora or Elephanta there but not both. That place can be given to a place from other areas of Maharashtra. Let me know your thoughts on this matter. Jonathansammy ( talk) 22:31, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
I've going to do a cleanup of all the images that are cluttered here. My criteria is based on MOS:IMAGES, text 'sandwiches' between two images are to be avoided, images not discussed much in the article will be removed. Ugog Nizdast ( talk) 20:57, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
In the news, I frequently hear about only Konkan, Marathwada and Vidarbha. But these 3 regions don't include all the districts. Nandurbar, Dhule and Jalgaon district region is known as Khandesh (and the sidebar mentions it), but the IMD and national media doesn't recognize it at all. They talk about 'Madhya Maharashtra' and sometime 'north-west Maharashtra', but it seems nobody knows which districts fall in which of these two regions. Has 'Khandesh' name become outdated? I think this article should mention these problems. AbhiRiksh ( talk) 18:54, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Currently the naval arm of the Marathas has no mention at all, which certainly deserves a mention. Hence I am adding it (under History). Kindly do not make changes without discussing on talk page.
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Mention of Maratha Navy on Andaman needs to go until more references are found. The article loses credibility when dubious information like this is added. Your sentence before Andaman says, "Maratha navy dominated the coastline from Mumbai to Sawantwadi ( 200-250 miles ?) Compare that with going over the other side of the peninsular India and many hundreds of miles further east in the Bay of Bengal. I hope you get my point. Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 18:39, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
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Interstate Border Disputes with Telangana State: 14 villages in Jiwati taluk, 12 villages in Rajura taluk and 5 villages in Antapur of Chandrapur district are disputed with Telangana State. They are revenue villages of Marazoda, Anarpally, Lakampur, Ananthapur, Esagaon, Bolapathar, Gouri (D), Parandoli, Paraswada, Arkepally (D), Karanjiwada, Kota, Mukadamguda, Maharajguda, Lendijala, Lendiguda, Indiranagar, Yesapur, Narayanguda, Shankarloddi, Padmavathi and Janakpur, etc. sharing border with Adilabad District of Telangana, which has laid claim on these areas. [1] [2] [3]
Interstate Border Disputes with Karnataka State: Belgaum border dispute: Since the 1960s when the border row first began, the Maharashtra legislature has passed at least 18 resolutions against the Karnataka government, calling its actions to crack down upon Marathi-speaking institutes and people in Belgaum illegal and unjust. [4]
Water disputes with Telangana State: Pranahita Chevella lift irrigation scheme which is a project not in the interest of Maharashtra. Maharashtra will be losing about 2123.4 hectares of land (which is severely under reported by print media at 1500 Ha or even less) [5]
The Telangana State Irrigation project Icchampally Project which is a project not in the interest of Maharashtra. Maharashtra will be losing 33,614 hectares of land which is more than 100 villages. [1] [2] [3]
Shivaji Maharaj's History distorted On July,17 of 2015, the Hindu Janjagruti Samiti (HJS) said it would step up its protest against the Telangana government for “distorting” history and teaching chapters covering “fake” incidents on Maratha King Chhatrapati Shivaji in a state textbook. The HJS has taken exception to the chapter named The Lost Casket in Class VI text book Our world through English. [6]
hi, I believe the above information belongs to the Article on Maharashtra rather than history of Maharashtra. Let me know if you have suggestions / comments for adding it to the Maharashtra article. Thanks.
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What images we should at tourism section of maharashtra Wikipedia page?
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Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj: I request you to add one picture of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj because he is more than a god for all Maharashtrians and whole world better knows him. So do these cahnges — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivpootra ( talk • contribs) 09:06, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, I think this sentence in the lede is inaccurate: "Ancient and medieval Maharashtra was chronologically ruled by the Satavahana dynasty, Kadambas, Rashtrakuta dynasty, Western Chalukyas, Deccan sultanates, Mughals and Marathas." The Mughals and the Marathas ruled during the early modern period of Indian history?
Also, "Pune is its cultural capital." seems to be too bold a claim without references. It is considered so by many, however, the claim is not uniquely made by Pune. I found websites where Satara and Kolhapur among others have claimed the title. In any case, it's not official. Thoughts? Berlindian ( talk) 17:25, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Areas that form the present day state of Maharashtra have been part of various kingdoms and empires during the last two millenia. In chronological order, these include the Satavahana dynasty, Kadambas, Rashtrakuta dynasty, Western Chalukyas, Seuna, Bahamani Sultanate, Deccan sultanates, Mughals, Marathas and the British raj.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 20:21, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Currently Maharashtra is mentioned as "western peninsular region of India" in opening line of this article. But by geography Maharashtra also in southern and central India and many websites said so. I think it will be best if you change opening line to "western, central and southern India" so you can directly state it.
around the Great Indian Bustard Sanctuary in Nannaj, Maharashtra in south-central Indiahttps://phys.org/news/2016-03-micro-sanctuaries-key-survival-wildlife-human-dominated.html
Central India generally corresponds to the northern portion of peninsular India. Mumbai is capital of Maharashtra state, southwestern India.
So I think stating is just western will be wrong. You should change to "western, central and southern India". BelgaumGoan ( talk) 13:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
western peninsular region of India occupying a substantial portion of the Deccan plateauif you can write
western, central and southern Indiainstead. And it's more clear to write
southern and centralrather than writing
peninsular and Deccanand assume that reader knows it mean south and central (many readers don't know even meaning of Deccan, it's Sanskrit, not English). Many more sources are using central and southern than peninsular and Deccan. Across Wikipedia, most of the articles about places don't have such long description of the geography in opening sentence, they just have that which direction of the country or continent it is. Many places (Indian and foreign) have multiple directions including Maharashtra.
western peninsular region of India occupying a substantial portion of the Deccan plateaualready covers western, southern and central India. If you want you can add govt. definition under administrative header which has been agreed upon in the WP:IN thread. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 16:08, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Paithan was the capital not Junnar. Is there a reference to the fact that Junnar was capital for Satavahana Empire? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.185.212.35 ( talk) 00:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
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Maharashtra is the most industrialised state in India while state capital Mumbai is India's biggest financial and commercial capital.
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Maharashtra is the most industrialised state in India, and the state capital, Mumbai, is India's biggest financial and commercial capital.
It just sounds more natural, more fluent, than the wording that's currently in the article. 2601:5C6:8081:35C0:2C8A:AB39:C6BE:2DEB ( talk) 18:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
The 1964 Act establishes Marathi as the official language of the State of Maharashtra, but never phased out English, explicitly stating that English should be used by the Legislatures for all correspondence, along with an acceptable Marathi translation. Part XVII of the Constitution of India also mandates English as the official language of all Indian States and UTs. Wouldn't that technically make English a co-official, additional language of the State of Maharashtra, considering even Government forms, portals and websites have English versions? -- friendlyneighborhoodanon 15:57, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Marathi is the official language of the State. But as you said, English is also used commonly even if it is neither Official nor Co-official. SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 04:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Fylindfotberserk and others. I feel Marathi should be added under the demonym section of the infobox as the instruction - Please do not change this to 'Marathi', since that is an ethnicity. Other Maharashtrian ethnicities include Konkani people, Gondi people, Khandeshi people, etc. - mentioned in the infobox seems invalid because the state of Karnataka too has people of other ethnicities like Konkani people, Kodava people, Tulu people, Beary people which are native to Karnataka but its page still says Kannadiga under the demonym. Therefore, Marathi should be added under the demonym section of the infobox on this page.
Prat1212 ( talk) 19:32, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
The infoboxes of Karanataka, Gujarat, West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh and Telengana have the terms Kannadiga, Gujarati, Bengali, Telugu respectively in the demonym section. These terms, in case of those respective states 'are difficult to apply to people from other parts of India who have settled in the region recently or even more than a century ago', as noted by User:Jonathansammy in case of Maharashtra. People from all over India have migrated to all these states and settled there in huge numbers. So what about them and these states? And mind you, Kannadiga, Gujarati, Bengali, Telugu too are ethnicities, just like Marathi and hence, the instruction mentioned in the infobox about not adding Marathi as demonym is pretty useless. So, what are those terms doing in the demonym sections of those states? You either delete those demonyms, or the demonym sections altogether or add Marathi to the demonym section of Maharashtra. You can't have it both ways, to be frank. And as User:Fylindfotberserk pointed out that 'Maharashtrian article also means Marathi as people', it doesn't exclusively refer to the Marathi people instead says that 'something related to Maharashtra, Marathi people, Marathi language'. Also, you both, and User:Acharya63, have totally ignored the argument that I presented while saying why Marathi should be added under the demonym section. I am tagging User:Dharmadhyaksha to lend his opinion regarding the matter. Prat1212 ( talk) 15:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
A quick google search of the meaning of 'demonym' will show you that it means 'a noun used to denote the natives or inhabitants of a particular country, state, city, etc.'. And if you, Fylindfotberserk, say that 'adding both terms, as you did in your edit is redundant, since the parameter is "demonym"', you might as well take a look at the pages of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana wherein two demonyms are mentioned, and it makes the adding of Telugu in their demonyms as redundant. And again, you have completely ignored the agruments that I have presented for why Marathi should be added in the demonym section. Prat1212 ( talk) 17:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
The term Maharashtra was derived from another term 'Maharashtri', the earlier name of Marathi language, so it goes with your point about most of the state names being derived from the major linguistic group and another reason to add Marathi as a demonym. The five states that you mentioned- Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand- have Hindi or Hindi dialects as their major language(also most of these dialects, as per National census, fall under Hindi) and Hindi as official state language. So it makes quite the sense to have separate state names than deriving one from the term Hindi as that would have been difficult for all the above mentioned states to derive different names from the single term. In Maharashtra, Marathi is the major language, Marathi is the official state language, and hence Maharashtrian should be replaced by Marathi as a demonym or Marathi should be added in the demonym section. Also, your point is- it is better to keep a single demonym. But Andhra Pradesh and Telangana have two demonyms in their infoboxes. Anyway, so, in my opinion either Maharashtrian should be replaced by Marathi or Marathi should be added, keeping Maharashtrian too, as the demonym nonetheless. Prat1212 ( talk) 20:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Did you even understand why I said this- 'The five states that you mentioned- Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand- have Hindi or Hindi dialects as their major language(also most of these dialects, as per National census, fall under Hindi) and Hindi as official state language. So it makes quite the sense to have separate state names than deriving one from the term Hindi as that would have been difficult for all the above mentioned states to derive different names from the single term', in the first place? To make you understand that that's why those states have those respective terms as their demonyms. Those states couldn't derive the state names based on their major language as it was common for all, and hence different state names and hence different demonyms, which is quite logical. You got the interpretation so wrong here.
Further, you gave me examples of other states whose demonyms you said 'are NOT based on ethnolinguistic or language names'. So here is my point- 1) Nagaland gets its name from Naga People(also it doesn't have a demonym as there is a cluster of Naga Languages, though Naga suits as demonym which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name), 2) Manipur from Manipuri people(also the state doesn't have a demonym but its safe to call them Manipuris which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name), 3) Mizoram from Mizo people(also it doesn't have a demonym, but if Mizo is one then it is based on ethnolinguistic or language name), 4) Assam got its name from Assamese people, and Assamese is its demonym(which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name) 5) Sikkim from Sikkimese people and the demonym is Sikkimese(which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name) So all the above demonyms ARE based on ethnolinguistic or language names- while you quite clearly said they were NOT based on ethnolinguistic or language names.
Goa gets it name from many words which begin with Go and hence the term Goan is alright. And Jammu is a region, not a state, so your point of Jammu cannot be considered in the discussion.
As far as Karanataka is concerned, not only Tulu people but even Konkani people, Kodava people are major natives to the state. So, you seem to be agreeing to my point regarding Karanataka's demonym.
Anyway, and by mentioning your earlier point of 'demonyms being derived from state names' by giving example with different states names- Goa, Sikkim, Assam, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland- you yourself are making a strong case for Marathi as a demonym, as I mentioned above how these states' demonyms ARE based on ethnolinguistic or language names and also as I had mentioned in my earlier reply 'the term Maharashtra was derived from another term 'Maharashtri', the earlier name of Marathi language', it goes with your point about most of the state names being derived from the major linguistic group' and also with your other point (which actually works again in favour of Marathi as a demonym) where you mentioned "Demonyms of the states of Sikkim, Assam, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland are based on respective state names instead of ethnolinguistic or language names" where in fact, the state names themselves were derived from major ethnolinguistic groups or language names and hence became the respective demonyms, which is just the point that you had mentioned "a lot of the states names are derived from the names of the major linguistic group"- this was your point in favour of the demonyms of states of Punjab, Gujarat, West Bengal etc in your earlier replies.
So your point- "a lot of the states names are derived from the names of the major linguistic group, eg. Punjab, Gujarat, West Bengal, etc" makes it a valid point in itself for keeping Marathi as a demonym because as mentioned earlier the term Maharashtra was derived from another term 'Maharashtri', the earlier name of Marathi language',
Your other point- "demonyms of all these states (Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand) are based on respective state names, instead of ethnolinguistic or language names." This was because the language being common, they couldn't create different names from the single word and hence had to be satisfied with having demonyms based on their state names rather than language which as I had mentioned earlier was quite a logical thing done by them.
Your another point- "It [demonyms of all these states(Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhan) being based on respective state names, instead of ethnolinguistic or language names] is true for states like Sikkim, Assam, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland too" is false because as mentioned in this reply of mine, all the above demonyms ARE based on ethnolinguistic or language names. So, basically your mentioning of these North-Eastern states' demonyms works in favour of Marathi as a demonym.
And given all this, it is only fair to replace Maharashtrian with Marathi as a demonym or to add Marathi in the demonym section and we can put this matter to rest. Prat1212 ( talk) 13:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
"demonyms of all these states (Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand) are based on respective state names, instead of ethnolinguistic or language names." This was because the language being common, they couldn't create different names from the single word and hence had to be satisfied with having demonyms based on their state names rather than language which as I had mentioned earlier was quite a logical thing done by them.- Not a valid argument. The languages are not "common". Bhojpuri and Magahi of Bihar are very different than Maithili. Similarly, Awadhi, Khariboli from western UP are from different language families compared to Bhojpuri, that's spoken in eastern UP. Garwali and Kumaoni are not same languages either.
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After completely wasting my time reading the arguments above. The first question I have for you guys is "Are you from Maharashtra?". Belonging from Maharashtra means your family's native place is in Maharashtra. If otherwise, I strongly suggest you guys that please don't fall into "our matters". Because if you don't know what native people of Maharashtra call themselves as, then you have no idea of our "Denonym". Whenever a Marathi person want to ask if another person is from Maharashtra. He says "Are you Marathi?". Without knowing our Culture and Denonyms. How can you "question" our Culture?
It is good if you're interested in our culture but if you're.... That doesn't mean you become a native! Straight to the point, if you are not a "native" of Maharashtra, i.e. If your native place don't fall in our Maharashtra. You have "no right" to "question" "Our Culture". We call ourselves Marathi and that's it! We don't need outsider's suggestion on what "Our Denonym" should be.
Jay Bhavani! Jay Shivaji! मराठी माणसाचा नाद नाही करायचा! SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 04:44, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Another interesting fact for you outsider guys. I'm from Kokan. If you call me Kokani. Then you have to be "Marathi" first. Reason?
Well, Kokan, Khandesh, Vidharba, Gondia, Ghat, etc, etc.
Our Marathi lands are divided into sub-regions depending on the "Dialect" of "Marathi" spoken there.
In Kokan (which actually means Coast in English). We speak Kokani dialect(or Coastal dialect) of Marathi. In Khandesh, they speak another dialect. In Vidharba, they speak another dialect. In Gondia... Well, they speak Marathi way too fast lol
But? We are "Marathi" people.
I hope you understand me. But if you misinterpret me.... Well, I think it would be fair for me to report you. Yes, I'm serious. You can't just come into our province and tell us what "Our Denonym" should be. Mind your own business. Don't involve in our matters. SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 05:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Well, we wanted to add our denonym but some people stalled it. First of all, Kokani, Gondia, Varhadi, etc. etc. are all Marathi.
Varhadi people speak Varhadi dialect of Marathi. Kokani people speak Kokani dialect of Marathi. Gondia people speak Gondia dialect of Marathi. For our tribal brothers, yes, they also use their tribe's language as well but they are no less than marathi. When speaking in public. A person from Gondia region will say he or she is from Maharashtra and is Marathi. You outsiders can't break us on that. For Hindi people. Guys, when you have to identify yourselves as a major ethnicity. You guys identify as "Hindi". They speak Rajasthani in Rajasthan, Bhojpuri in Bihar, etc. But please understand... At the end of the day, you all guys are "Hindi". You guys should not oppose this fact and we have nothing against you to be honest. When someone from Bihar arrives in our state. He or she calls themselves as Hindi instead of Bhojpuri. When we Kokani guys go somewhere, we say we are Marathi people from Maharashtra. So please understand, Marathi ethnicity is not only limited to one particular group. It is a major identity such as "Hindi". With this said, I sincerely believe you got what I wanted to say and I ask humbly to add our denonym in Wikipedia page. SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 07:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
If your reading from Maharashtra, we know it's well known that Lugda or Lugde is the traditional cloth worn by womens Maharashtra and men use to ware Dhotar and Bandis. Who can some one write that Saree is traditional dress Of Maharashtra, it is not. Saree is North Indian dress. Look of the photos of women's from late 1890s or 1940 they wear Lugada not Saree, so change it Saree is not our dress. [1] Newton Euro ( talk) 06:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
S.A. of our state is Shekaru, it is a like a goat. Add it in the infobox. Newton Euro ( talk) 06:41, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
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It suppose to be in, Indigenous sports subsection. Where info about Malkhamb is written. Success think ( talk) 16:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Mention this in geography section, it even have wp article Belgavi border dispute. Source- [41] Success think ( talk) 19:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
In this page the Buddhist religion program image is uploaded by someone, the image is nothing to do with the tourism. Its a Buddhist religion conclave. I suggest to remove this image. Success think ( talk) 10:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Jonathansammy: by deleting my edits, you deleted the places I wrote where mangroves are found in Maharashtra. I'll write the places again but don't delete it. And please discuss before removing info on Talk page. Success think ( talk) 07:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
The places I wrote was not districts, your assuming them as districts. Nalasopara, Alibaug not what your thinking. Success think ( talk) 16:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
This section have lots of line which trying to wrongfully potrait that Bullock cart racing, Kushti, Scuba driving, surfing is popular in Maharashtra. But it is not true. Clarify exactly where these sports are played in the state. Scuba diving probably played as recreational activities in costal areas but need places. Success think ( talk) 14:56, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
One line saying Ind freedom struggle started took shape in mid 20th century. It is so false, by V.D. Savarkar, mutiny of 1857 was first battle for indipendence. 1857 means in mid 19th century not mid 20th century. The article not mentioning about Umaji Naik he was Adivasi freedom fighter from Maharashtra, he was before Lokmanya Tilak, Nana Saheb lead the freedom movement in 1857 along Rani Lakshmi Bai. Tilak was not first. Success think ( talk) 17:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
This article suppose to be written in Indian English or Brit English, then why US spelling like, Organize are written. I suggest to change these spellings in Brit English. Success think ( talk) 18:25, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Why there is no agriculture sep section here? This states economy is based on agriculture. Success think ( talk) 08:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
I wrote for consensus and it is a huge job. I found many things that a worthy to be part of this article but for me alone it some kind of difficult work. But if other editors also work on it, It'll be easy for me. Success think ( talk) 08:54, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Maharashtra is the name of a state in Western India. Its language is Marathi. It is the third biggest state of India by area and second biggest state in India based on population. Only one Indian state has more people (Uttar Pradesh). Mumbai is the capital of Maharashtra. Pune is the cultural and educational capital. 2409:4042:E25:41C9:48BF:EF20:DC0C:5D6A ( talk) 08:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
I am trying my best to take the article to GA level. All are invited to give their valuable contribution. Thanks.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 12:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Have written sports section completly. Please do not add sports personality unnecessarily.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 14:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
User talk:Kvvk111, You wrote and I quote, " Maratha is the largest Hindu caste in Maharashtra. It comprises of 32% of the state population with Western Maharashtra, Konkan and Marathawada regions having the highest proportions. Satara and Kolhapur districts have the highest proportion of Maratha population with it being 60.7% and 59.86% of total district populations respectively. Pune district has the largest total Maratha population in Maharashtra followed by Mumbai Suburban district. [1] [2]"
Thanks for your contribution but there are many problems here as follows:
Unless, you have satisfactory answers and / or sources to the above points then we can not add it to the article.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 23:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I was about to give final polish to the article and go for GA nomination but suddenly witnessing unfair edits.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 14:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Is it okay if add a colour picture for Lavani replacing monochromatic file @ Jonathansammy: 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 18:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
I am seriously in doubt if we really need so much names under literature.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 14:47, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
The state has significant Jewish population. Recently, they have been given minority status as well. It needs to be mentioned, 2-3 lines if not much. Thanks.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 17:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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I request to add the Symbols of the state of Maharashtra.
Hi @ Jonathansammy:, let me know if it's ready for GA nomination.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 17:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Sports
Claim that " Maharashtra cricket team represents Maharashtra state in Indian domestic cricket." is incorrect. In Ranji Trophy, there are three Teams that represent different parts of Maharashtra - Mumbai, Maharashtra, and Vidarbha. That Vidarbha and Mumbai Teams are from same state is mentioned elsewhere in article, but that comes after two Paragraphs unrelated to Cricket. Same for the governing bodies of the three teams.
This section should be rewritten to include all Cricket related info together in few Paras. This section can also highlight achievements of Mumbai and MI in Ranji and IPL respectively.Section should identify Cricketers who have contributed so much to Indian and World Cricket (e.g. Sachin Tendulkar, Sunil Gavaskar, Dilip Vengsarkar, Vijay Hazare). This section in a sense does disservice to the contribution that Maharashtra and its Cricketers have made to the Indian and world Cricket.
:This article is about Maharashtra. You can add more information on cricket in Maharashtra in Wikipedia article, Sports in Maharashtra
:Thanks for the reply. But if we extend that argument to other sections, no names should be mentioned in Literature, Films / Cinema etc. Ideally, few names should be mentioned in this section. If readers wish to know more, they can refer to Sports section. Also see concerns around correctness of Teams and ownership. - Nonentity683
Pictures
We can add more pictures for places of Historical importance like Forts, Ajanta and Ellora Caves, and for people like Jyotirao Phule, and Ambedkar?
:Historical places you mention are already there. Adding pictures of famous people can be contentiuous with everyone wanting their famous personalities included.It has gone out of hand for many India related articles.
: Not having pictures of Ambedkar and Phule looks like a big miss. This page does not contain any paintings from Ajanta or Ellora Caves. For example, see Pictures on http://double-dolphin.blogspot.com/2015/12/photography-inside-ajanta-caves-tips-and-tricks.html. - Nonentity683
Films
This section should ideally be titled Cinema, since it does not describe artefacts, but artists and industry in general.
First 4 sentences of this section can be rewritten to be concise. There seems to be some redundancy.
:I will have a look
Grammatical Errors
"when Dadasaheb Phalke made Raja Harishchandra a movie in 1913", "with enormous films, television series, books, and other media being set there", "Mumbai has numerous film production studios and it has facilities to produce films.", "Well known for its art films, the early Marathi film industry included acclaimed directors such as Dadasaheb Phalke and V. Shantaram, Dada Kondke is the most prominent name in Marathi film.", "Here people often plays it as", "nearly all the times sporting arenas remains full house". These can be corrected.
:This article has undergone copyediting in the past but new editors in recent months have messed up.You are welcome to take a lead in copyediting.
Politics
This claim seems to be without merit - "Although the Bharatiya Janata Party also features several senior leaders who are dynasts, the phenomenon of dynasticism is at a lower level in the BJP than the Congress party.[152][153] In Maharashtra, the NCP has a particularly high level of dynasticism.[153]". Ref. 152 directly contradicts the claim with a Graph Titled "1999 onwards Congress and BJP are Comparably Dynastic Parties". This reference does not include any Data about Maharashtra. Ref 153 is not available online, so it is not possible to verify is this book contains any relevant info. Given all the dynasts who joined BJP in state after 2014, this just might be the other way around - that State BJP has more Dynasts than congress or NCP.
These sentences are inaccurate, and should be removed for want of proof / for being inaccurate.
:I will check the source.
Nonentity683 ( talk) 18:21, 25 November 2022 (UTC) Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 19:00, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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My inclusion of the statement "Standard Marathi is defined as the language of the Deshastha Brahmins and the like, in and around Pune." has been disputed. The complete dispute is at: Talk:Maharashtra#Marathi_statement_dispute Zuggernaut ( talk) 23:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
In which sense is M. the most advanced state. Figures, facts?
Good start, but let's work on NPOV here.
"Maharashtra is the most advanced state in India". Like the above poster, I'd like to know "advanced" how? Number of cell phones? Poets? Lithium mines?
"It has a glorious history" -- Every place likes to think it has a glorious history. Let's just stick with the supporting facts.
We can say tha Maharashtra is the most advanced "Big" state in india as its GSDP is much higher than other states and its is most industrialised state in the country.~~~~
This is also teh state in which farmers commit most number of suicides every year for lack of ability to even feed themselves
I've added the figures from "Times of India" on the revenue collected from Maharashtra. Mahasrashtra adds about $20 Billion to New Delhi's cofers every year through taxes.
Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Temp pages for discussion of their use. I've removed the inappropriate message from the Article. Other editors should be aware that there is a Maharashtra/temp, and that this is being worked on in parallel with the article. They should therefore make any additions, excisions, corrections, etc., to both the article and the temp page. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 11:02, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page links to the disambiguation page groundnut, but I'm not sure which sense is intended. Can you help? Thanks. — Pekinensis 20:40, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. — Pekinensis 12:38, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
State animal: shekroo (giant squirrel): Ratufa Indica =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:15, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
Some of the entries are a bit obscure; what do "2nd" and "3rd" mean in this context? And what does "area magnitude=11 mean? -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 20:48, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
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I have added a new template in the bottom. Any comments??? This could be made dynamic once consensus is rcvd.
The reason for the new template is that there is no single place in the main Maharashtra article where all major cities and districts is located. Also, I think the seal needs to brought down from the infobox
Pizzadeliveryboy 22:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
The earlier revision of the article stated such arrant nonsense as the word "Maharashtra" is derived from the word "Mahar" !!!! As a Maratha, I take severe objection to this demeaning statement. No historian nor any researcher has mentioned this thing. This is somebody's fertile (or, futile) imagination at work. Just check the etymology section on the Maratha page. It gives the perfect etymological origin of Maharashtra. A word like "Mahar", which was used to demean the lower-caste people, a word which is no longer constitutionally correct is being used to describe our holy land, the "Maharashtra". It's someone's ploy of maligning the Marathi public. But we'll certainly not let them succeed.
As far as "Maha rathi" is concerned, it is mentioned in many great historians, scholars and researchers' works inc. Lokmanya Tilak. For your information, "Maha" means great and "rathi" means charioter. So, literally the meaning becomes "Land of the great charioters". New Rock Star 18:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Another theory I read somewhere else(I am not sure where but I think it was either the Pearson IAS guide or Manorama year book) was that it is a derivative of the "Rashtrakuta" empire that existed before the Islamic conquests of the Deccan. Given that the Rashrakuta empire was located over western Deccan plateau and included most of modern Maharashtra, I feel this posibility may also be counted -- Deepak D'Souza 10:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
What you are saying Mistake made in 1901 (unknowingly or purposefully), when foriegn invaders in india, who never wished localite indians to know their history, ability and traditions so it is easier to tame them, to enslave them; We are still Carrying !!! We are still insulting Maha-Rathi's for internal petty jealousies.
just because one person (Mr Rusell or whosoever) tells us, at one place, we forget 2000 years history that land of Maha-Rathi's have provided Great Ashoka, Empiror SataVahana, Emperor Rashtrakuta and King Shivaji with Best of Warriors. The Land which is so advanced and industrial today. Most funny JOKE is none of these historian are from Maharashtra, how can they be so sure about Maharashtrian history ! and how we know they are not baised.
Term Mahar is not at all demeaning because Maha-r have proved what indeed Great-Warriors they are by helping Shivaji build most swift, quick, robust yet light army. Yet again by helping British defeat Peshwas, when mistake was made to remove them from Maratha army. Mahar's are acknowledged hard-workers, may be reason why this land is was called Mara-Rathi's land in first place.
The fact still remains Indian slave mentality who just because XX person tells him, prefers to call fellow indians:Maha-Rathi's in demeaning way ! No concerns calling Maharashtra land of Maha-rs, But IT MEANS ONLY ONE AND ONE THING - LAND OF MAHA-RATHIs. We don't need Russel / Delhi Gazette to tell us, what Warriors Maha-rs or Maha-Rathi's are. It is already proved it When Satavahana and Maratha Kingdoms ruled more than half of India, when Ashoka and Rashtrakuta recruited warriors from this land. I don't think we need Indian Gazette for that, Do WE ?
Can I request you to put things in correct context in main article. Either say MahaRathi and Mahar both meaning great warriors; and Maha-Rashtra meaning great nation. OR Delete un-necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.86.33 ( talk) 22:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I hve replaced the computer generated voice with my own. I feel that the computer voice was not having he proper intonation & that an Indian voice would be much better here. Hope thats not a problem.
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Surely Maharashtra has a substantial cultural identity, so why is there no mention of culture so far in this article?
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An anon ( 24.7.93.43 ( talk · contribs)) has just added that Nagpur is the second capital of Maharashtra. I highly doubt that this is true, but can someone re-affirm this? I can't seem to find any reliable resources to refute this. Thanks -- Srikeit ( Talk | Email) 06:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I ("anon") was the person who wrote Nagpur is the second capital of Maharashtra. I grew up in Nagpur and it is correct that the winter session of the legislative assembly is held in Nagpur. I have always believed this ... but here are two references: Govt web site for Nagpur: http://nagpur.nic.in/ - check history section, last line (1960). Maharashtra IT Parks, Nagpur History Page: http://www.maharashtraitparks.com/itparks_about_nag.htm
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I think that is far. I made that change.
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Let me rekindle this discussion. Nagpur is in fact the Second Capital of Maharashtra. History has it that Vidarbha had decided to join Maharashtra during the first state reorganization because of Nagpur pact. You can get a complete discussion of this from Indian Governments Rajya Sabha session dialogs mentioned here [1]. Open this link and search Nagpur. You would get it. I would try to find a better proof if you need more. I would changing the status of Nagpur in the article soon if I do not see anymore arguments. If you have anything more drop a message at gppande ( talk) 14:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I see conflicting data throughout the article in terms of size of Maharastra. I do know for sure that Maharastra is not the largest state ofIndia, also as per the area_rank feild my belief seems to be true. But somehow there are places in the article which it be the largest and provide numbers according to the claim. Can someone provide a proper reference about actual size of Maharastra and how it compares to the rest of states in India? Kedar 23:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Kedar,
The following links from the Govt. Of India website will help. Apparently Maharashtra is 3rd largest, behind Rajasthan and MP.
http://india.gov.in/knowindia/state_uts.php?id=23 (Rajasthan) http://india.gov.in/knowindia/state_uts.php?id=15 (MP) http://india.gov.in/knowindia/state_uts.php?id=16 (Maha)
Hope this helps.
Mihir — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihirsaswadkar ( talk • contribs) 00:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
There is a contradiction in the articles refering to the states of Maharashtra and Gujarat. Both are listed by Wikipedia as the countries leading industrial state.
Maharashtra's is India's leading industrial state contributing 13% of national industrial output. 64.14% of the people are employed in agriculture and allied activities. Almost 46% of the GSDP is contributed by industry
Gujarat is a state in the Republic of India. With 19.8% of the country's total industrial output, it is the most industrialized state in India. 141.109.96.97 20:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC) Although I'm not sure if the numbers are correct, assuming that they are the distinction given to Maharashtra in this article is false.
I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.4 and the map is not showing up in the main infobox at the top of the article. If I hover over it, it appears to be a link, and if I click on it I get the map on its page. Other SVG maps, such as for Andhra Pradesh or Karnataka, do show up just fine, but all I see is an empty box where this one should be. -- 38.115.151.134 22:53, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
This paragraph is obtuse:
Prabhu Ramchandra touched this land previously known as 'Dandaka-Aranya' (Deep woods). Shri. Prabhu Ramchndra commenced his attack on Lanka from this land. Over the centuries, gradually this Dandaka-Aranya turned into the sacred Maharashtra. Religion, Philosophy, Technology, Arts, Knowledge, Bravery evolved here for centuries...Many dynasties from Satvahan to Shilahaar including Rashtrakut, Chalukya, Aadhin, Saindrikya, Kalchuri, Vakatak, Kadamba, Pallav etc. ruled Maharashtra rituously. Poets created Kavya-Kailas in this land. Sculptures crafted Kailas-kavya in black stones of Maharashtra.
Touched? Rituously? and jumbled.
DrLeonP 08:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
HI Kaveri, i have removed the new subsection related to music as it has been already been put under Entertainment. Incase you still want to havea seperate section for music. Then i think you wil have to edit the Entertainment secion too. in my opinion just club them and add your info (Asro 07:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC))
There was an attempt to 'Kannadize' the article. I have corrected the opening paragraph of the article. Please remember we are INDIANS and we should respect the other regions of the country which do not speak the same language as ours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam.khawse ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
The list of forts in Maharashtra has been moved to a dedicated list page (needs work) to reduce the size of the article. An enthusiastic editor has also dumped the following list of trekking spots there. I thought it would be a waste to delete them. And so they are moved to below until we can find something better to do with them. - Mayuresh 16:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
101 Trekking spots in Sahyadris
The B/W picture of the skyline is vertically stretched, the buildings are actually somewhat shorter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.179.10 ( talk) 20:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Tow issues. Number 1: In third paragraph of the introuction of the article, it says that Maharashtra contributes to 15% of Industrial output, whereas in the third paragraph of Economy section, the industrial output is 13%, Which is correct?
Number 2: Reference number three reports "In 2005-06, the state contributed 15% to India ’s industrial output and 12 % to GDP". Reference 4 says "Maharashtra contributes to almost 14.7 per cent of India's gross domestic product and 15.1 per cent of the national income." However the article says Maharashtra is India's most developed and urbanized state, contributing 15% of the country's industrial output and 14.7% of its GDP. Apparently, the big number from both the references have been randomly chosen.
Reference 3 is the worldbank website, which is a third party reliable source. Therefore, I suggest to correct the numbers. Docku ( talk) 19:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I guess Maharashtra has the highest GDP/per capita according to this table. Year 2005-2006 data is a reasonable data to include. All that we need to do is to devide the GDP by population. The problem is that we have reliable population data only from 2001. The information is from Ministry of Statistics of Program Implementation. Guess, it is a reliable source. Docku ( talk) 21:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Maharashtra is not necessarily the richest state in India. A more recent article referring to the data from Directorate of Economics and Statistics, Govt of India. Even some articles in Wikipedia have evidence to the contrary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshall1984 ( talk • contribs) 19:41, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
According to this article, Tamil Nadu is the most urbanised state in India. This The Hindu article was published in May 2008. In contrast, the reference used in Maharashtra article is from data from 1991. Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am not wrong, we may need to remove the claim. Docku ( talk) 20:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
maharashtra is not richest state of india there are other state has more per capita income then maharashtra like gujarat, goa, delhi and punjab so how could some user take fake data and make vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.185.163 ( talk) 03:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
The whole section is written in superlative and superfluos language lacking, in many cases, citations. Guess, it needs some work on it. Dock Hi 21:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the image is too crude, shows incomplete data - since Maharashtra was formed as a state in 1961 - and no other FA state articles like West Bengal or Kerala have such an image. I think image should be moved to some article which is about elections or article of Maharashtra legislature. -- gppande «talk» 16:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I propose that a photo gallery be added to show the great symbols of maharashtra. Also the indian state of Bihar has a photo galley and punjab pakistan. So why not Maharashtra.Dewan S. Ahsan 22:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
They should not be there in FAs. Commonscat suiffices. YellowMonkey ( click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
This is a Best Travel and Tourism portal of maharashtra . . . www.holidaysmaharashtra.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Holidaysmaharashtra ( talk • contribs) 11:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please clarify the number of divisions in Maharashtra? Six or seven? Paalappoo ( talk) 14:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
My experience of staying in Maharashtra for 28 years tells me Diwali is still the largest festival in Maharashtra and not Ganeshotsav. In what sence it has been claimed that Ganeshotsav is the largest festival? Number of days? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhi shidhore ( talk • contribs) 12:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I think its worth mentioning the border dispute with Karnataka for Belgum district in this article. This border dispute article is already present in wiki so it can be linked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhi shidhore ( talk • contribs) 12:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Text in the section "Buddhist Era" was a near-exact copy of http://www.indiaprofile.com/religion-culture/buddhisminmaharashtra.htm; I reverted the edits recently made by an IP, -- MegaSloth ( talk) 01:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Quote 1: "Rajaram's nephew & Sambhaji's son, Shahu Bhosale [...]" Ampersands are not freely interchangeable with 'and'.
Quote 2: "In 1714, Shahu's Peshwa (chief minister) Balaji Vishwanath, helped him seize the Maratha throne in 1708, with some acrimony from Rajaram's widow, Tara Bai." When did this happen?
140.105.47.84 ( talk) 08:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Disputed statement: "Marathi as spoken by the Deshastha Rigvedi Brahmin community of Pune is Standard Marathi." Which Marathi is "Standard Marathi" is disputed issue. The cited source of this statement may be a WP:FRINGE theory. We need more than 1 source to prove that a certain Marathi is standard. Also the Maharashtra government [3] does not say that "Marathi as spoken by the Deshastha Rigvedi Brahmin community of Pune is Standard Marathi." -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
-- Deepak D'Souza ( talk) 04:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-08-15/Deshastha Brahmin
I am providing yet another source so including Nemade, we now have three four six sources supporting the disputed statement. I have provided counter arguments in the third column regarding why I find Nemade a reliable source. The table:
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Ramchandra Vithal Parulekar; Vaman Pandurang Khanolkar, eds. (1965), Indigenous elementary education in the Bombay Presidency in 1855 and thereabouts: (being a departmental survey of indigenous education), Indian Institute of Education, p. 262 | No quote, only data. Page 262 of the book has tables showing the teachers and their castes. These teachers were trained in one particular Marathi and then they were sent all over Maharashtra to teach that dialect as standard Marathi. |
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Nemāḍe, Bhālacandra (1990), The Influence of English on Marathi: a sociolinguistic and stylistic study, Rajhauns Vitaran,
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The first problem they faced was which variety was to be taken as standard for description. This they solved by adopting the speech of Deshastha Brahmans of Pune. [4] Nemade has a detailed discussion (section 4.4, pages 98-101) on the standardization of Marathi. He gives and explores the six factors that affected the development of Standard Marathi. The Deshastha Brahmin claim features in one of the six factors. Detailed, expanded quote is here. |
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Candy, Thomas; Candy, George; Kalelkar, Narayan Govind; Molesworth, James Thomas (1975), Molesworth's Marathi-English dictionary, Nirali Prakashan, p. Ten, ISBN 9788186411575 | The work of the dictionary was undertaken at the behest of Mountstuart Elphinstone who was Governor of Bombay. Marathi was defined as the speech of Deshastha Brahmans and the like, spoken in and around the region of Poona. |
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Bloch, Jules (1970), The formation of the Marāṭhī language, translated by Dev Raj Chanana, Motilal Banarsidass Publ, ISBN 9788120823228 | The dictionary of Molesworth which is the work of a group of local scholars is the best available dictionary of any modern Indo-Aryan language.
[5]
The 1831 Candy, et al work was very comprehensive and till now remains authoritative. [6] |
From a reputed publishing house on Indology, builds on a plethora of other work, cited elsewhere, scholarly work, etc. |
Ghagve, Balshastri; Phadke, Gangadharshastri; Joshi, Sakharam; Shukla, Dajishastri; Godbole, Parshurampant (1829), A Dictionary of the Maratha Language, Bombay: at the society's Press (In McDonald) | "This is a dictionary...of the words which appear in the ordinary speech of Deshastha Brahmans and others living in the Maharashtra country" | A product of the planned standardization of Marathi by the British Indian government |
Nemāḍe, Bhālacandra (1990), The Influence of English on Marathi: a sociolinguistic and stylistic study, Rajhauns Vitaran,
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"The pronunciation of the Dehsastha Rigvedi gains prominence" [7] | See Bhālacandra Nemāḍe |
McDonald, Ellen E. (1968), "The Modernizing of Communication: Vernacular Publishing in Nineteenth Century Maharashtra", Asian Survey, Vol. 8, No. 7, Modernization in South Asian Studies: Essays in a Changing Field | In the first dictionary of the Marathi language of 1829, the authors are blunt in identifying that the social group whose speech formed the basis of their dictionary was the Deshastha Brahmans and others elites. [8] | Well respected University of California, Berkley researcher; the dictionary itself is another product which is separate from Molesworth but it came from the same office overseeing the standardization of Marathi under the government of Bombay province. |
Zuggernaut ( talk) 20:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I have been busy in real life, so have been late in responding. My observations:
Mr. D'Souza & Zuggernaut, Numerically the Marathas were and are superior. However, when you are dealing with an era when most communities were forbidden to be literate, then the community which holds monopoly on learning, i.e. the brahmins, can influence what is the "standard speech". As to why Deshastha and not Kokanastha accent for the standard speech could be something to do with politics of early 1800s. I am just speculating here. As a deshastha myself, I can say that my relations from different parts of Maharashtra have different accents. Some of my distant rural deshastha relations speak in the same accent as their Maratha neighbours. But overall, our family, including our close Kokanastha relations, speak in the "standard accent". Well, this my two pennies worth to the debate. 74.9.96.122 ( talk) 16:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Content I would like to include in Marathi (lead), Maharashtra and Pune:
“ | Standard Marathi is defined as the language that is spoken by the Deshastha Brahmins of Pune." [1] [2] [3] Standard Marathi is the official language of Maharashtra. [9] | ” |
I am proposing that we follow this 4 step process to bring this to closure.
Source | Zuggernaut | Redtigerxyz | Deepak D'souza | Other users, add columns | |
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Nemāḍe, Bhālacandra (1990). The Influence of English on Marathi: a sociolinguistic and stylistic study. Rajhauns Vitaran | Yes, this is a RS | ? | ? | ? | |
Candy, Thomas; Candy, George; Kalelkar, Narayan Govind; Molesworth, James Thomas (1975), Molesworth's Marathi-English dictionary, Nirali Prakashan | Yes, this is a RS | ? | ? | ? | |
Dhoṅgaḍe, Rameśa; Wali, Kashi (2009). "Marathi". London Oriental and African language library (John Benjamins Publishing Company) | Yes, this is a RS | ? | ? | ? |
“ | Of all the borrowings, loan translations are seen playing a greater role in standardizing the structural system of Marathi. As the available resources of Marathi were inadequate to the sciences, where language had to be used as a precise instrument, loans from the vanishing supraglossia were taken as substitutes to Enlgish terms. As a result there was a lexical subsystem of Sanskrit words in Marathi. The translators also established a new syntactic subsystem. A role similar to that of translators was played by grammarians. The first problem they faced was which variety was to be taken as standard for description. This they solved by adopting the speech of Deshastha Brahmans of Pune. They applied grammatical systems derived from English and Sanskrit to Marathi. | ” |
This is a part of the detailed discussion Nemade gives on pages 98-101 (section 4.4) about the six different factors that influenced the standardization of Marathi. Zuggernaut ( talk) 18:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
“ | The pandits were Balshastri Ghagve, Gandhar Shastri Phadke, Sakharam Joshi, Dajishastri Shukla, Parshurampant Godbole, Ramchandrashastri Hanhavekar and Hagannathshastri Kramvant, the last one being named as the editor of the project.
The dictionary is in two parts. The pages are not numbered. Two years later a supplement was added. The work of the dictionary was undertaken at the behest of Mountstuart Elphinstone who was Governor of Bombay. Marathi was defined as the speech of Deshasth Brahmans and the like, spoken in and around the region of Poona. |
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Deepak D'Souza | Example | Example |
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This article is written in very very poor format.Novice editors are requested not to add any hoax material and make article is of no use.Most importantly do not remove maintenance tag.kind regards & Thank You. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 10:40, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
On November 11, Ugog Nizdast reversed a number of unsourced edits, which stated that Nagpur is the second or winter capital of Maharashtra. This is a plausible idea, given that the Nagpur Pact resulted in the state legislature holding "winter sessions" in Nagpur and a bench of the Bombay High Court being based there. I looked into this briefly and found some sources which appeared to support the idea, but Ugog has raised the issue with me. Having looked through various sources including books, news and government websites, I am in two minds about this issue. I agree with Ugog that there are mostly fleeting mentions, with very little of substance. On the other hand there do seem to be a significant number of mentions, so it cannot be dismissed so easily. Amongst the sources are several government websites such as Income Tax Department, Press Information Bureau, Maharashtra Prathamik Shikshan Parishad, Governance Knowledge Centre, Maharashtra Tourism, Public Health Department, page 6 of this Meteorological Dept. paper, National Institute of Miners Health, Accountants General, Nagpur, Indian Railways, Geological Survey. There are also some books with mentions such as Land and People of Indian States and Union Territories, Buddhism and Dalits, Industrial Area and Regional Resources. However, there does not seem to be any mention in the Maharashtra state government website (i.e. maharashtra.gov.in) apart from a tender for computerized embroidery machinery, whilst the legislature does not appear to have a website. Thus, I am inclined to treat the idea of Nagpur as a second/winter capital as being a common but unofficial designation. Any ideas or other sources? Green Giant ( talk) 22:27, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
There is no mention of farmer's suicide (especially in the Vidarbha region) in this article. So this article does not paint a true picture of Maharashtra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.65.66 ( talk) 22:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
See the sentence in "History" beginning with: "After the break-up of the Bahamani sultanate, in 1518, Maharashtra split". The two commas leave the meaning ambiguous. Did the break-up occur in 1518, before the split? Or did the split occur in 1518, after the break-up? Or did both events take place consecutively in 1518? Please clarify. Folklore1 ( talk) 13:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I removed the comma. Folklore1 ( talk) 15:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi, wikipedians. I've done a large change in this particular article. I request you to all please please do not revert any edit, as i'm in process of adding more contents with references, correct citation and etc. Thanks for your co-operation. Kind regards. -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 17:00, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
See the sentence: "Physical features of Maharsahtra divided into Deccan plateau, which is separated from the Konkan coastline by 'Ghats'." I was unable to copy edit this sentence, because I do not understand it. Do the physical features divide the plateau, or is the plateau one of the physical divisions of Maharsahtra? Folklore1 ( talk) 14:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
This is still unclear to me, as I am unfamiliar with the geography of India. So I am going to leave it to you to revise this sentence. While the article has a "GOCE effort" tag, it's okay for other editors to apply changes. When I'm working on more detailed edits, I will hang a GOCE "on hold" tag (displaying a clock) to indicate that I want people to wait until I am finished. Folklore1 ( talk) 15:43, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I revised the sentence. Folklore1 ( talk) 19:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
See the sentence beginning with "The flora of regions such as Nag region". I do not understand it. Please clarify. Folklore1 ( talk) 15:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
The following sentence was copied exactly from the referenced source: "Maharashtra is said to have 3 game reserves, 5 national parks and 24 bird sanctuaries." Does Maharashtra actually have that many game reserves, national parks and bird sanctuaries? The wording of the source material causes me to wonder if the author is just guessing. Folklore1 ( talk) 16:02, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I revised the sentence. Folklore1 ( talk) 20:42, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
See the sentence containing: "offering their food first to the lord". What does "lord" refer to? Is this the lord of the castle, lord of the house, or a deity? In monotheistic faiths, an uppercase "Lord" refers to the singular god of that faith. Folklore1 ( talk) 19:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I put "the lord" in quotes. The source used lowercase, so I will keep it lowercase here. Folklore1 ( talk) 20:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I replaced an ampersand with "and". Folklore1 ( talk) 12:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone explain why sourced information on rural economy of Maharashtra and the cooperative sector's contribution to it is immature ? Ditto for political parties. Mr. 25 cent, please do not assume that you are writing for the tourist board or 4th grade geography chapter. If you want the article to achieve GA status then you will have to work by consensus and stop removing sourced information 12.111.55.194 ( talk) 01:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
For your information, in Maharashtra and in rest of India, political parties form the governments at various levels and the Bureaucrats report to the political bosses. That being so, it is absolutely necessary to have at least some mention of political parties. The West Bengal article mentions parties. Rural population still form the majority in the state and Cooperatives have played a huge role in that part of the economy. Why is even a cursory mention of that considered "immature" in your opinion ? As I said before, you are not writing this article for the tourism board. From our interaction on other articles, I understand your POV is to omit anything that can be considered negative. I am sure some people in Texas will sympathize with you . There some school boards are protesting against sections of high school curriculum that they think portrays USA in negative light ! As I said before, consensus is important if WE want to achieve GA for this article. That is why let us discuss politics, economy and other content here before we include it in the article. Thanks Jonathansammy ( talk) 17:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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I'm sorry to do this, seeing as you had to wait a while for this to be reviewed, but in its current state the article cannot pass the GAN without a substantial group effort to satisfy it. There are too many prose issues and dead links, along with some sections with almost no prose and just lists. I'm sure if all of the above could be addressed then this article would stand a better chance at the next GAN, but for now there is too much work to be done in seven days. Good luck ☯ Jag uar ☯ 18:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Who has pulled the a dick move of showing misal under the culture of maharashtra ? There are proper sampurna maharashtrian theories that need to be substituted there. Includes Puranpolee, modak, amti, bhat, bhaji, koshimbir, chutney, loncha, kurdai etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 54.240.196.185 ( talk) 23:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't see how this page can be merged here, that would be WP:UNDUE focus. I think at most, a statement mentioning this can be added here and linking to it. The separate article is fine as it is. - Ugog Nizdast ( talk) 13:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Why Mr. NeilN probably a foreigner is so obssessed for deleting the marathi scripted Maharashtra from the initial sentence, Maharashtra is a Marathi State but still NeilN has revived his monarchy of reverts under various roofs of rules which are surely important but interpreted by NeilN in his own way Sarita Narvekar ( talk) 12:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
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I believe Misal pav is not good representative of Maharashtrian cuisine. I believe a picture of thalpith, Pohe or Puranpoli would be a better representative. Please comment. Jonathansammy ( talk) 16:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I have removed image of Misal pav reinstated by another user. Let us discuss this further before adding an image. I like the concept of a collage but do not know how to put it together. The collage can include all the items discussed above. Anything that includes pav or baked bread Bun is not traditional Maharashtrian. I do not know any Marathi household that bakes their own bread ! On the other hand, puranpoli and pohe are either festival staple or everyday staple respectively. Zunka bhakar from rural Maharashtra may also be a good addition. Now I will speak with a forked tongue. Is cuisine of Maharashtra synonymous with cuisine of Marathi people ? Afterall, Maharashtra is an urbanized cosmopolitan state. Please weigh in on these issues before we come to a conclusion . Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 19:45, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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Four out of five images in the infobox are either of places in Mumbai or nearby. To the uninitiated this can give the impression of there being nothing of significance outside Mumbai. I believe this topic needs serious discussion. Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 18:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Here are a few images of Unesco world heritage sites in Maharashtra. We can keep some of the images of the modern structures. But it is important to have iumages from other parts of the state. Thanks.
Jonathansammy ( talk) 23:24, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Good job. Can we change the Matheran picture with this one ? It includes British era hill station Mahabaleshwar and Shivaji era fort of Pratapgad in one picture. You can include mention of Sahyadri range of western ghats in your caption. Since Western ghats are part of Unesco world sites, we can kill multiple birds with this picture.
Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 18:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello Ugog, I see that the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (Victoria Terminus(VT) image has been removed. I thought that VT was a better representation than the Gateway of India. The former is on the Unesco world heritage but the latter is not. Also, I am not sure about having two rock cut temple / caves there. We can either keep Ellora or Elephanta there but not both. That place can be given to a place from other areas of Maharashtra. Let me know your thoughts on this matter. Jonathansammy ( talk) 22:31, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
I've going to do a cleanup of all the images that are cluttered here. My criteria is based on MOS:IMAGES, text 'sandwiches' between two images are to be avoided, images not discussed much in the article will be removed. Ugog Nizdast ( talk) 20:57, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
In the news, I frequently hear about only Konkan, Marathwada and Vidarbha. But these 3 regions don't include all the districts. Nandurbar, Dhule and Jalgaon district region is known as Khandesh (and the sidebar mentions it), but the IMD and national media doesn't recognize it at all. They talk about 'Madhya Maharashtra' and sometime 'north-west Maharashtra', but it seems nobody knows which districts fall in which of these two regions. Has 'Khandesh' name become outdated? I think this article should mention these problems. AbhiRiksh ( talk) 18:54, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Currently the naval arm of the Marathas has no mention at all, which certainly deserves a mention. Hence I am adding it (under History). Kindly do not make changes without discussing on talk page.
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Mention of Maratha Navy on Andaman needs to go until more references are found. The article loses credibility when dubious information like this is added. Your sentence before Andaman says, "Maratha navy dominated the coastline from Mumbai to Sawantwadi ( 200-250 miles ?) Compare that with going over the other side of the peninsular India and many hundreds of miles further east in the Bay of Bengal. I hope you get my point. Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 18:39, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
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Interstate Border Disputes with Telangana State: 14 villages in Jiwati taluk, 12 villages in Rajura taluk and 5 villages in Antapur of Chandrapur district are disputed with Telangana State. They are revenue villages of Marazoda, Anarpally, Lakampur, Ananthapur, Esagaon, Bolapathar, Gouri (D), Parandoli, Paraswada, Arkepally (D), Karanjiwada, Kota, Mukadamguda, Maharajguda, Lendijala, Lendiguda, Indiranagar, Yesapur, Narayanguda, Shankarloddi, Padmavathi and Janakpur, etc. sharing border with Adilabad District of Telangana, which has laid claim on these areas. [1] [2] [3]
Interstate Border Disputes with Karnataka State: Belgaum border dispute: Since the 1960s when the border row first began, the Maharashtra legislature has passed at least 18 resolutions against the Karnataka government, calling its actions to crack down upon Marathi-speaking institutes and people in Belgaum illegal and unjust. [4]
Water disputes with Telangana State: Pranahita Chevella lift irrigation scheme which is a project not in the interest of Maharashtra. Maharashtra will be losing about 2123.4 hectares of land (which is severely under reported by print media at 1500 Ha or even less) [5]
The Telangana State Irrigation project Icchampally Project which is a project not in the interest of Maharashtra. Maharashtra will be losing 33,614 hectares of land which is more than 100 villages. [1] [2] [3]
Shivaji Maharaj's History distorted On July,17 of 2015, the Hindu Janjagruti Samiti (HJS) said it would step up its protest against the Telangana government for “distorting” history and teaching chapters covering “fake” incidents on Maratha King Chhatrapati Shivaji in a state textbook. The HJS has taken exception to the chapter named The Lost Casket in Class VI text book Our world through English. [6]
hi, I believe the above information belongs to the Article on Maharashtra rather than history of Maharashtra. Let me know if you have suggestions / comments for adding it to the Maharashtra article. Thanks.
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What images we should at tourism section of maharashtra Wikipedia page?
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Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj: I request you to add one picture of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj because he is more than a god for all Maharashtrians and whole world better knows him. So do these cahnges — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivpootra ( talk • contribs) 09:06, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, I think this sentence in the lede is inaccurate: "Ancient and medieval Maharashtra was chronologically ruled by the Satavahana dynasty, Kadambas, Rashtrakuta dynasty, Western Chalukyas, Deccan sultanates, Mughals and Marathas." The Mughals and the Marathas ruled during the early modern period of Indian history?
Also, "Pune is its cultural capital." seems to be too bold a claim without references. It is considered so by many, however, the claim is not uniquely made by Pune. I found websites where Satara and Kolhapur among others have claimed the title. In any case, it's not official. Thoughts? Berlindian ( talk) 17:25, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Areas that form the present day state of Maharashtra have been part of various kingdoms and empires during the last two millenia. In chronological order, these include the Satavahana dynasty, Kadambas, Rashtrakuta dynasty, Western Chalukyas, Seuna, Bahamani Sultanate, Deccan sultanates, Mughals, Marathas and the British raj.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 20:21, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Currently Maharashtra is mentioned as "western peninsular region of India" in opening line of this article. But by geography Maharashtra also in southern and central India and many websites said so. I think it will be best if you change opening line to "western, central and southern India" so you can directly state it.
around the Great Indian Bustard Sanctuary in Nannaj, Maharashtra in south-central Indiahttps://phys.org/news/2016-03-micro-sanctuaries-key-survival-wildlife-human-dominated.html
Central India generally corresponds to the northern portion of peninsular India. Mumbai is capital of Maharashtra state, southwestern India.
So I think stating is just western will be wrong. You should change to "western, central and southern India". BelgaumGoan ( talk) 13:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
western peninsular region of India occupying a substantial portion of the Deccan plateauif you can write
western, central and southern Indiainstead. And it's more clear to write
southern and centralrather than writing
peninsular and Deccanand assume that reader knows it mean south and central (many readers don't know even meaning of Deccan, it's Sanskrit, not English). Many more sources are using central and southern than peninsular and Deccan. Across Wikipedia, most of the articles about places don't have such long description of the geography in opening sentence, they just have that which direction of the country or continent it is. Many places (Indian and foreign) have multiple directions including Maharashtra.
western peninsular region of India occupying a substantial portion of the Deccan plateaualready covers western, southern and central India. If you want you can add govt. definition under administrative header which has been agreed upon in the WP:IN thread. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 16:08, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Paithan was the capital not Junnar. Is there a reference to the fact that Junnar was capital for Satavahana Empire? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.185.212.35 ( talk) 00:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
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Maharashtra is the most industrialised state in India while state capital Mumbai is India's biggest financial and commercial capital.
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Maharashtra is the most industrialised state in India, and the state capital, Mumbai, is India's biggest financial and commercial capital.
It just sounds more natural, more fluent, than the wording that's currently in the article. 2601:5C6:8081:35C0:2C8A:AB39:C6BE:2DEB ( talk) 18:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
The 1964 Act establishes Marathi as the official language of the State of Maharashtra, but never phased out English, explicitly stating that English should be used by the Legislatures for all correspondence, along with an acceptable Marathi translation. Part XVII of the Constitution of India also mandates English as the official language of all Indian States and UTs. Wouldn't that technically make English a co-official, additional language of the State of Maharashtra, considering even Government forms, portals and websites have English versions? -- friendlyneighborhoodanon 15:57, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Marathi is the official language of the State. But as you said, English is also used commonly even if it is neither Official nor Co-official. SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 04:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Fylindfotberserk and others. I feel Marathi should be added under the demonym section of the infobox as the instruction - Please do not change this to 'Marathi', since that is an ethnicity. Other Maharashtrian ethnicities include Konkani people, Gondi people, Khandeshi people, etc. - mentioned in the infobox seems invalid because the state of Karnataka too has people of other ethnicities like Konkani people, Kodava people, Tulu people, Beary people which are native to Karnataka but its page still says Kannadiga under the demonym. Therefore, Marathi should be added under the demonym section of the infobox on this page.
Prat1212 ( talk) 19:32, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
The infoboxes of Karanataka, Gujarat, West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh and Telengana have the terms Kannadiga, Gujarati, Bengali, Telugu respectively in the demonym section. These terms, in case of those respective states 'are difficult to apply to people from other parts of India who have settled in the region recently or even more than a century ago', as noted by User:Jonathansammy in case of Maharashtra. People from all over India have migrated to all these states and settled there in huge numbers. So what about them and these states? And mind you, Kannadiga, Gujarati, Bengali, Telugu too are ethnicities, just like Marathi and hence, the instruction mentioned in the infobox about not adding Marathi as demonym is pretty useless. So, what are those terms doing in the demonym sections of those states? You either delete those demonyms, or the demonym sections altogether or add Marathi to the demonym section of Maharashtra. You can't have it both ways, to be frank. And as User:Fylindfotberserk pointed out that 'Maharashtrian article also means Marathi as people', it doesn't exclusively refer to the Marathi people instead says that 'something related to Maharashtra, Marathi people, Marathi language'. Also, you both, and User:Acharya63, have totally ignored the argument that I presented while saying why Marathi should be added under the demonym section. I am tagging User:Dharmadhyaksha to lend his opinion regarding the matter. Prat1212 ( talk) 15:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
A quick google search of the meaning of 'demonym' will show you that it means 'a noun used to denote the natives or inhabitants of a particular country, state, city, etc.'. And if you, Fylindfotberserk, say that 'adding both terms, as you did in your edit is redundant, since the parameter is "demonym"', you might as well take a look at the pages of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana wherein two demonyms are mentioned, and it makes the adding of Telugu in their demonyms as redundant. And again, you have completely ignored the agruments that I have presented for why Marathi should be added in the demonym section. Prat1212 ( talk) 17:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
The term Maharashtra was derived from another term 'Maharashtri', the earlier name of Marathi language, so it goes with your point about most of the state names being derived from the major linguistic group and another reason to add Marathi as a demonym. The five states that you mentioned- Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand- have Hindi or Hindi dialects as their major language(also most of these dialects, as per National census, fall under Hindi) and Hindi as official state language. So it makes quite the sense to have separate state names than deriving one from the term Hindi as that would have been difficult for all the above mentioned states to derive different names from the single term. In Maharashtra, Marathi is the major language, Marathi is the official state language, and hence Maharashtrian should be replaced by Marathi as a demonym or Marathi should be added in the demonym section. Also, your point is- it is better to keep a single demonym. But Andhra Pradesh and Telangana have two demonyms in their infoboxes. Anyway, so, in my opinion either Maharashtrian should be replaced by Marathi or Marathi should be added, keeping Maharashtrian too, as the demonym nonetheless. Prat1212 ( talk) 20:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Did you even understand why I said this- 'The five states that you mentioned- Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand- have Hindi or Hindi dialects as their major language(also most of these dialects, as per National census, fall under Hindi) and Hindi as official state language. So it makes quite the sense to have separate state names than deriving one from the term Hindi as that would have been difficult for all the above mentioned states to derive different names from the single term', in the first place? To make you understand that that's why those states have those respective terms as their demonyms. Those states couldn't derive the state names based on their major language as it was common for all, and hence different state names and hence different demonyms, which is quite logical. You got the interpretation so wrong here.
Further, you gave me examples of other states whose demonyms you said 'are NOT based on ethnolinguistic or language names'. So here is my point- 1) Nagaland gets its name from Naga People(also it doesn't have a demonym as there is a cluster of Naga Languages, though Naga suits as demonym which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name), 2) Manipur from Manipuri people(also the state doesn't have a demonym but its safe to call them Manipuris which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name), 3) Mizoram from Mizo people(also it doesn't have a demonym, but if Mizo is one then it is based on ethnolinguistic or language name), 4) Assam got its name from Assamese people, and Assamese is its demonym(which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name) 5) Sikkim from Sikkimese people and the demonym is Sikkimese(which is based on ethnolinguistic or language name) So all the above demonyms ARE based on ethnolinguistic or language names- while you quite clearly said they were NOT based on ethnolinguistic or language names.
Goa gets it name from many words which begin with Go and hence the term Goan is alright. And Jammu is a region, not a state, so your point of Jammu cannot be considered in the discussion.
As far as Karanataka is concerned, not only Tulu people but even Konkani people, Kodava people are major natives to the state. So, you seem to be agreeing to my point regarding Karanataka's demonym.
Anyway, and by mentioning your earlier point of 'demonyms being derived from state names' by giving example with different states names- Goa, Sikkim, Assam, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland- you yourself are making a strong case for Marathi as a demonym, as I mentioned above how these states' demonyms ARE based on ethnolinguistic or language names and also as I had mentioned in my earlier reply 'the term Maharashtra was derived from another term 'Maharashtri', the earlier name of Marathi language', it goes with your point about most of the state names being derived from the major linguistic group' and also with your other point (which actually works again in favour of Marathi as a demonym) where you mentioned "Demonyms of the states of Sikkim, Assam, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland are based on respective state names instead of ethnolinguistic or language names" where in fact, the state names themselves were derived from major ethnolinguistic groups or language names and hence became the respective demonyms, which is just the point that you had mentioned "a lot of the states names are derived from the names of the major linguistic group"- this was your point in favour of the demonyms of states of Punjab, Gujarat, West Bengal etc in your earlier replies.
So your point- "a lot of the states names are derived from the names of the major linguistic group, eg. Punjab, Gujarat, West Bengal, etc" makes it a valid point in itself for keeping Marathi as a demonym because as mentioned earlier the term Maharashtra was derived from another term 'Maharashtri', the earlier name of Marathi language',
Your other point- "demonyms of all these states (Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand) are based on respective state names, instead of ethnolinguistic or language names." This was because the language being common, they couldn't create different names from the single word and hence had to be satisfied with having demonyms based on their state names rather than language which as I had mentioned earlier was quite a logical thing done by them.
Your another point- "It [demonyms of all these states(Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhan) being based on respective state names, instead of ethnolinguistic or language names] is true for states like Sikkim, Assam, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland too" is false because as mentioned in this reply of mine, all the above demonyms ARE based on ethnolinguistic or language names. So, basically your mentioning of these North-Eastern states' demonyms works in favour of Marathi as a demonym.
And given all this, it is only fair to replace Maharashtrian with Marathi as a demonym or to add Marathi in the demonym section and we can put this matter to rest. Prat1212 ( talk) 13:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
"demonyms of all these states (Bihar, UP, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Uttarakhand) are based on respective state names, instead of ethnolinguistic or language names." This was because the language being common, they couldn't create different names from the single word and hence had to be satisfied with having demonyms based on their state names rather than language which as I had mentioned earlier was quite a logical thing done by them.- Not a valid argument. The languages are not "common". Bhojpuri and Magahi of Bihar are very different than Maithili. Similarly, Awadhi, Khariboli from western UP are from different language families compared to Bhojpuri, that's spoken in eastern UP. Garwali and Kumaoni are not same languages either.
Prat1212 ( talk) 09:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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After completely wasting my time reading the arguments above. The first question I have for you guys is "Are you from Maharashtra?". Belonging from Maharashtra means your family's native place is in Maharashtra. If otherwise, I strongly suggest you guys that please don't fall into "our matters". Because if you don't know what native people of Maharashtra call themselves as, then you have no idea of our "Denonym". Whenever a Marathi person want to ask if another person is from Maharashtra. He says "Are you Marathi?". Without knowing our Culture and Denonyms. How can you "question" our Culture?
It is good if you're interested in our culture but if you're.... That doesn't mean you become a native! Straight to the point, if you are not a "native" of Maharashtra, i.e. If your native place don't fall in our Maharashtra. You have "no right" to "question" "Our Culture". We call ourselves Marathi and that's it! We don't need outsider's suggestion on what "Our Denonym" should be.
Jay Bhavani! Jay Shivaji! मराठी माणसाचा नाद नाही करायचा! SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 04:44, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Another interesting fact for you outsider guys. I'm from Kokan. If you call me Kokani. Then you have to be "Marathi" first. Reason?
Well, Kokan, Khandesh, Vidharba, Gondia, Ghat, etc, etc.
Our Marathi lands are divided into sub-regions depending on the "Dialect" of "Marathi" spoken there.
In Kokan (which actually means Coast in English). We speak Kokani dialect(or Coastal dialect) of Marathi. In Khandesh, they speak another dialect. In Vidharba, they speak another dialect. In Gondia... Well, they speak Marathi way too fast lol
But? We are "Marathi" people.
I hope you understand me. But if you misinterpret me.... Well, I think it would be fair for me to report you. Yes, I'm serious. You can't just come into our province and tell us what "Our Denonym" should be. Mind your own business. Don't involve in our matters. SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 05:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Well, we wanted to add our denonym but some people stalled it. First of all, Kokani, Gondia, Varhadi, etc. etc. are all Marathi.
Varhadi people speak Varhadi dialect of Marathi. Kokani people speak Kokani dialect of Marathi. Gondia people speak Gondia dialect of Marathi. For our tribal brothers, yes, they also use their tribe's language as well but they are no less than marathi. When speaking in public. A person from Gondia region will say he or she is from Maharashtra and is Marathi. You outsiders can't break us on that. For Hindi people. Guys, when you have to identify yourselves as a major ethnicity. You guys identify as "Hindi". They speak Rajasthani in Rajasthan, Bhojpuri in Bihar, etc. But please understand... At the end of the day, you all guys are "Hindi". You guys should not oppose this fact and we have nothing against you to be honest. When someone from Bihar arrives in our state. He or she calls themselves as Hindi instead of Bhojpuri. When we Kokani guys go somewhere, we say we are Marathi people from Maharashtra. So please understand, Marathi ethnicity is not only limited to one particular group. It is a major identity such as "Hindi". With this said, I sincerely believe you got what I wanted to say and I ask humbly to add our denonym in Wikipedia page. SpiritVonAdam ( talk) 07:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
If your reading from Maharashtra, we know it's well known that Lugda or Lugde is the traditional cloth worn by womens Maharashtra and men use to ware Dhotar and Bandis. Who can some one write that Saree is traditional dress Of Maharashtra, it is not. Saree is North Indian dress. Look of the photos of women's from late 1890s or 1940 they wear Lugada not Saree, so change it Saree is not our dress. [1] Newton Euro ( talk) 06:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
S.A. of our state is Shekaru, it is a like a goat. Add it in the infobox. Newton Euro ( talk) 06:41, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
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It suppose to be in, Indigenous sports subsection. Where info about Malkhamb is written. Success think ( talk) 16:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Mention this in geography section, it even have wp article Belgavi border dispute. Source- [41] Success think ( talk) 19:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
In this page the Buddhist religion program image is uploaded by someone, the image is nothing to do with the tourism. Its a Buddhist religion conclave. I suggest to remove this image. Success think ( talk) 10:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Jonathansammy: by deleting my edits, you deleted the places I wrote where mangroves are found in Maharashtra. I'll write the places again but don't delete it. And please discuss before removing info on Talk page. Success think ( talk) 07:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
The places I wrote was not districts, your assuming them as districts. Nalasopara, Alibaug not what your thinking. Success think ( talk) 16:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
This section have lots of line which trying to wrongfully potrait that Bullock cart racing, Kushti, Scuba driving, surfing is popular in Maharashtra. But it is not true. Clarify exactly where these sports are played in the state. Scuba diving probably played as recreational activities in costal areas but need places. Success think ( talk) 14:56, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
One line saying Ind freedom struggle started took shape in mid 20th century. It is so false, by V.D. Savarkar, mutiny of 1857 was first battle for indipendence. 1857 means in mid 19th century not mid 20th century. The article not mentioning about Umaji Naik he was Adivasi freedom fighter from Maharashtra, he was before Lokmanya Tilak, Nana Saheb lead the freedom movement in 1857 along Rani Lakshmi Bai. Tilak was not first. Success think ( talk) 17:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
This article suppose to be written in Indian English or Brit English, then why US spelling like, Organize are written. I suggest to change these spellings in Brit English. Success think ( talk) 18:25, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Why there is no agriculture sep section here? This states economy is based on agriculture. Success think ( talk) 08:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
I wrote for consensus and it is a huge job. I found many things that a worthy to be part of this article but for me alone it some kind of difficult work. But if other editors also work on it, It'll be easy for me. Success think ( talk) 08:54, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Maharashtra is the name of a state in Western India. Its language is Marathi. It is the third biggest state of India by area and second biggest state in India based on population. Only one Indian state has more people (Uttar Pradesh). Mumbai is the capital of Maharashtra. Pune is the cultural and educational capital. 2409:4042:E25:41C9:48BF:EF20:DC0C:5D6A ( talk) 08:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
I am trying my best to take the article to GA level. All are invited to give their valuable contribution. Thanks.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 12:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Have written sports section completly. Please do not add sports personality unnecessarily.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 14:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
User talk:Kvvk111, You wrote and I quote, " Maratha is the largest Hindu caste in Maharashtra. It comprises of 32% of the state population with Western Maharashtra, Konkan and Marathawada regions having the highest proportions. Satara and Kolhapur districts have the highest proportion of Maratha population with it being 60.7% and 59.86% of total district populations respectively. Pune district has the largest total Maratha population in Maharashtra followed by Mumbai Suburban district. [1] [2]"
Thanks for your contribution but there are many problems here as follows:
Unless, you have satisfactory answers and / or sources to the above points then we can not add it to the article.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 23:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I was about to give final polish to the article and go for GA nomination but suddenly witnessing unfair edits.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 14:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Is it okay if add a colour picture for Lavani replacing monochromatic file @ Jonathansammy: 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 18:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
I am seriously in doubt if we really need so much names under literature.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 14:47, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
The state has significant Jewish population. Recently, they have been given minority status as well. It needs to be mentioned, 2-3 lines if not much. Thanks.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 17:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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I request to add the Symbols of the state of Maharashtra.
Hi @ Jonathansammy:, let me know if it's ready for GA nomination.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS 🍁 17:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Sports
Claim that " Maharashtra cricket team represents Maharashtra state in Indian domestic cricket." is incorrect. In Ranji Trophy, there are three Teams that represent different parts of Maharashtra - Mumbai, Maharashtra, and Vidarbha. That Vidarbha and Mumbai Teams are from same state is mentioned elsewhere in article, but that comes after two Paragraphs unrelated to Cricket. Same for the governing bodies of the three teams.
This section should be rewritten to include all Cricket related info together in few Paras. This section can also highlight achievements of Mumbai and MI in Ranji and IPL respectively.Section should identify Cricketers who have contributed so much to Indian and World Cricket (e.g. Sachin Tendulkar, Sunil Gavaskar, Dilip Vengsarkar, Vijay Hazare). This section in a sense does disservice to the contribution that Maharashtra and its Cricketers have made to the Indian and world Cricket.
:This article is about Maharashtra. You can add more information on cricket in Maharashtra in Wikipedia article, Sports in Maharashtra
:Thanks for the reply. But if we extend that argument to other sections, no names should be mentioned in Literature, Films / Cinema etc. Ideally, few names should be mentioned in this section. If readers wish to know more, they can refer to Sports section. Also see concerns around correctness of Teams and ownership. - Nonentity683
Pictures
We can add more pictures for places of Historical importance like Forts, Ajanta and Ellora Caves, and for people like Jyotirao Phule, and Ambedkar?
:Historical places you mention are already there. Adding pictures of famous people can be contentiuous with everyone wanting their famous personalities included.It has gone out of hand for many India related articles.
: Not having pictures of Ambedkar and Phule looks like a big miss. This page does not contain any paintings from Ajanta or Ellora Caves. For example, see Pictures on http://double-dolphin.blogspot.com/2015/12/photography-inside-ajanta-caves-tips-and-tricks.html. - Nonentity683
Films
This section should ideally be titled Cinema, since it does not describe artefacts, but artists and industry in general.
First 4 sentences of this section can be rewritten to be concise. There seems to be some redundancy.
:I will have a look
Grammatical Errors
"when Dadasaheb Phalke made Raja Harishchandra a movie in 1913", "with enormous films, television series, books, and other media being set there", "Mumbai has numerous film production studios and it has facilities to produce films.", "Well known for its art films, the early Marathi film industry included acclaimed directors such as Dadasaheb Phalke and V. Shantaram, Dada Kondke is the most prominent name in Marathi film.", "Here people often plays it as", "nearly all the times sporting arenas remains full house". These can be corrected.
:This article has undergone copyediting in the past but new editors in recent months have messed up.You are welcome to take a lead in copyediting.
Politics
This claim seems to be without merit - "Although the Bharatiya Janata Party also features several senior leaders who are dynasts, the phenomenon of dynasticism is at a lower level in the BJP than the Congress party.[152][153] In Maharashtra, the NCP has a particularly high level of dynasticism.[153]". Ref. 152 directly contradicts the claim with a Graph Titled "1999 onwards Congress and BJP are Comparably Dynastic Parties". This reference does not include any Data about Maharashtra. Ref 153 is not available online, so it is not possible to verify is this book contains any relevant info. Given all the dynasts who joined BJP in state after 2014, this just might be the other way around - that State BJP has more Dynasts than congress or NCP.
These sentences are inaccurate, and should be removed for want of proof / for being inaccurate.
:I will check the source.
Nonentity683 ( talk) 18:21, 25 November 2022 (UTC) Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 19:00, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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