This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Mahan-class destroyer article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | Mahan-class destroyer is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so. | ||||||||||||
![]() | This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on January 16, 2015. | ||||||||||||
| |||||||||||||
Current status: Featured article |
![]() | This article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
See "by which passed a shell hoist that revolved with the gun." I do not understand what action is being described here. Please clarify. Folklore1 ( talk) 13:40, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
See the sentence beginning ”In the Battle of Vella Gulf". The person quoted should be named in the text. Folklore1 ( talk) 17:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
G'day, as per the request on my talk page, I've have assessed this article as C-class on the Milhist rating scale, although it is very close to B-class, IMO. If you could add citations to the following areas, I'd be happy to upgrade the assessment:
Please let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks for your efforts on the article. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 02:15, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
GA toolbox |
---|
Reviewing |
Reviewer: Tomobe03 ( talk · contribs) 11:48, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I'll review this article shortly.-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 11:48, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Nice work. The article is very informative and requires just a bit of mending to meet GACR. Cheers!-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 13:17, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
The nominator posted on my talkpage:
I've contacted you here because it seems the likely place to do so. If I’m wrong, please let me know. I believe I’ve fixed the deficiencies you pointed out on the talk page and have noted them, except for the dead links. (I plan to follow-up on your “Ships in class” suggestions, once the dead links issue is resolved.) I checked five of the ship link references to the appropriate DANFS at navy.mil. While in agreement, they remain dead. The sixth ship, Reid, has no link from her Wikipedia article to DANFS like the others. How I came up with the URL information escapes me. The references were cut and paste, none were by template. At the moment, I’m just spinning my wheels. So, is it possible you could favor me with some advice or help?
The urls were either incorrect in the first place or moved. They can be found here: Reid , Lamson, Flusser, Cummings, Drayton and Dunlap. For further reference, just go to this page, select initial letter, then the name of the ship or the name preceding (alphabetically) the one you're looking for to open a complete listing of the ships starting with the one selected. For example for Drayton, select D, then "Dragonet through Dyson" then Drayton.-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 11:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
The "Ships in class" table still contains duplicate links. E.g. there's no need to have two links to "Bath Iron Works" in the same table. Just keep the first instance of each such link in the table.-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 11:57, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
The deficiencies noted above, seemingly, have all been corrected. If not, please let me know. -- Pendright ( talk) 18:40, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
"The traditional destroyer machinery was replaced with a new generation of land-based machinery. This change ushered in a new steam propulsion system that combined increases in pressure and temperature with a new type of lightweight steam turbine, which proved simpler and more efficient to operate. These changes led to a ten percent increase in displacement over the Farraguts." Anyone know what pressure and temperature these boilers operated at. Most U.S. Navy ships built during the war, and survived into the Cold War, had boiler that operated at about 600 PSI, were called M-type separate sides/furnaces one for steam generation, one for superheat of the steam- the design allowed them to control the amount of superheat, and could get above 700 degrees Fahrenheit for the superheat. Was this perhaps the first class with this type boilers. Wfoj3 ( talk) 01:31, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
I find this article lacking in significant ways. Ok, it's the first destroyer class type article to make it to FA status, so perhaps there's some work to be done to understand how a class with many members in it (as opposed to all the battleship class FAs ("BFA" from here on)) should be structured. I find this article to be completely overwhelmed by the Service History section breaking out all 18 ships of the class. This is not unprecedented in the BFAs, but is uncommon. Far more useful would be discussion of the class in general with regards to their service history. In service, were they tough? Under/over gunned? Maneuverable enough? Fast enough? How did they fare, as a class, in combat? Better than predecessors? The service histories of each ship are not very relevant in this context. Further, what about a specifications section? Perhaps something like this or this. The new steam turbine changed the propulsion picture for a few ship classes, but we spend just _one_ sentence on this propulsion plant. What? This article I think could be improved when compared to the battleship class brethren already in FA. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 21:22, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 10 external links on Mahan-class destroyer. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 11:23, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
I just checked my copy of The Good Shepherd. In the novel the codename used for the Keeling on the escort's short-range radio is George. George, Harry, Dicky and Eagle are the codenames used in the novel. Forester even has his hero reflect on how they had been chosen to they each used different phonemes, phonemes that could be distinguished, even if distorted by static, etc.
Greyhound does make for a better name for a movie. But the names are distinct in the two media.
Cheers! Geo Swan ( talk) 18:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
==Fictional ships== ===''Keeling''=== {{anchor|USS Keeling|Keeling|Greyhound|USS Greyhound}}
A USS "Keeling", codenamed Greyhound (in the film) or George (in the novel), was introduced by nautical author C.S. Forester, for his 1955 novel WWII novel The Good Shepherd, and also appears in its 2020 cinematic adaptation Greyhound. This Mahan-class Keeling serves as flagship of a North Atlantic convoy flotilla in 1942 during the Battle of the Atlantic, having to fend off U-boat attacks on the convoy. In the 2020 film, it is portrayed by USS Kidd (DD-661), a Fletcher-class destroyer. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]
References
Keeling wallowed as she made her turn, shipping green water. "Contact bearing indefinite," said the talker. "Very well." In the confusion of the water, that was not to be wondered at. Keeling was coming round.
Krause spoke to Viktor on the T.B.S.: "George to Eagle. Torpedoes fired."
{{
cite news}}
: Cite uses deprecated parameter |authors=
(
help)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Mahan-class destroyer article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | Mahan-class destroyer is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so. | ||||||||||||
![]() | This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on January 16, 2015. | ||||||||||||
| |||||||||||||
Current status: Featured article |
![]() | This article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
See "by which passed a shell hoist that revolved with the gun." I do not understand what action is being described here. Please clarify. Folklore1 ( talk) 13:40, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
See the sentence beginning ”In the Battle of Vella Gulf". The person quoted should be named in the text. Folklore1 ( talk) 17:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
G'day, as per the request on my talk page, I've have assessed this article as C-class on the Milhist rating scale, although it is very close to B-class, IMO. If you could add citations to the following areas, I'd be happy to upgrade the assessment:
Please let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks for your efforts on the article. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 02:15, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
GA toolbox |
---|
Reviewing |
Reviewer: Tomobe03 ( talk · contribs) 11:48, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I'll review this article shortly.-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 11:48, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Nice work. The article is very informative and requires just a bit of mending to meet GACR. Cheers!-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 13:17, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
The nominator posted on my talkpage:
I've contacted you here because it seems the likely place to do so. If I’m wrong, please let me know. I believe I’ve fixed the deficiencies you pointed out on the talk page and have noted them, except for the dead links. (I plan to follow-up on your “Ships in class” suggestions, once the dead links issue is resolved.) I checked five of the ship link references to the appropriate DANFS at navy.mil. While in agreement, they remain dead. The sixth ship, Reid, has no link from her Wikipedia article to DANFS like the others. How I came up with the URL information escapes me. The references were cut and paste, none were by template. At the moment, I’m just spinning my wheels. So, is it possible you could favor me with some advice or help?
The urls were either incorrect in the first place or moved. They can be found here: Reid , Lamson, Flusser, Cummings, Drayton and Dunlap. For further reference, just go to this page, select initial letter, then the name of the ship or the name preceding (alphabetically) the one you're looking for to open a complete listing of the ships starting with the one selected. For example for Drayton, select D, then "Dragonet through Dyson" then Drayton.-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 11:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
The "Ships in class" table still contains duplicate links. E.g. there's no need to have two links to "Bath Iron Works" in the same table. Just keep the first instance of each such link in the table.-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 11:57, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
The deficiencies noted above, seemingly, have all been corrected. If not, please let me know. -- Pendright ( talk) 18:40, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
"The traditional destroyer machinery was replaced with a new generation of land-based machinery. This change ushered in a new steam propulsion system that combined increases in pressure and temperature with a new type of lightweight steam turbine, which proved simpler and more efficient to operate. These changes led to a ten percent increase in displacement over the Farraguts." Anyone know what pressure and temperature these boilers operated at. Most U.S. Navy ships built during the war, and survived into the Cold War, had boiler that operated at about 600 PSI, were called M-type separate sides/furnaces one for steam generation, one for superheat of the steam- the design allowed them to control the amount of superheat, and could get above 700 degrees Fahrenheit for the superheat. Was this perhaps the first class with this type boilers. Wfoj3 ( talk) 01:31, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
I find this article lacking in significant ways. Ok, it's the first destroyer class type article to make it to FA status, so perhaps there's some work to be done to understand how a class with many members in it (as opposed to all the battleship class FAs ("BFA" from here on)) should be structured. I find this article to be completely overwhelmed by the Service History section breaking out all 18 ships of the class. This is not unprecedented in the BFAs, but is uncommon. Far more useful would be discussion of the class in general with regards to their service history. In service, were they tough? Under/over gunned? Maneuverable enough? Fast enough? How did they fare, as a class, in combat? Better than predecessors? The service histories of each ship are not very relevant in this context. Further, what about a specifications section? Perhaps something like this or this. The new steam turbine changed the propulsion picture for a few ship classes, but we spend just _one_ sentence on this propulsion plant. What? This article I think could be improved when compared to the battleship class brethren already in FA. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 21:22, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 10 external links on Mahan-class destroyer. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 11:23, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
I just checked my copy of The Good Shepherd. In the novel the codename used for the Keeling on the escort's short-range radio is George. George, Harry, Dicky and Eagle are the codenames used in the novel. Forester even has his hero reflect on how they had been chosen to they each used different phonemes, phonemes that could be distinguished, even if distorted by static, etc.
Greyhound does make for a better name for a movie. But the names are distinct in the two media.
Cheers! Geo Swan ( talk) 18:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
==Fictional ships== ===''Keeling''=== {{anchor|USS Keeling|Keeling|Greyhound|USS Greyhound}}
A USS "Keeling", codenamed Greyhound (in the film) or George (in the novel), was introduced by nautical author C.S. Forester, for his 1955 novel WWII novel The Good Shepherd, and also appears in its 2020 cinematic adaptation Greyhound. This Mahan-class Keeling serves as flagship of a North Atlantic convoy flotilla in 1942 during the Battle of the Atlantic, having to fend off U-boat attacks on the convoy. In the 2020 film, it is portrayed by USS Kidd (DD-661), a Fletcher-class destroyer. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]
References
Keeling wallowed as she made her turn, shipping green water. "Contact bearing indefinite," said the talker. "Very well." In the confusion of the water, that was not to be wondered at. Keeling was coming round.
Krause spoke to Viktor on the T.B.S.: "George to Eagle. Torpedoes fired."
{{
cite news}}
: Cite uses deprecated parameter |authors=
(
help)