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The result was: rejected by
BlueMoonset (
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06:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Significant issues still unaddressed; nominator is on wikibreak and hasn't edited Wikipedia in weeks; closing as unsuccessful.
Firstly, the hook proposed is unsuitable as it does not give an interesting fact about the subject. Secondly, there is currently a cleanup template in the article, which will need to be resolved before this can be approved for DYK.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew09:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)reply
I revised the reception a bit and thought about this:
Did you know that while Madara Uchiha is one of the final antagonists of Naruto he does not make his first appearance until the final arc?
Did you know that Madara Uchiha has been impersonated by Obito Uchiha for most of his appearances in Naruto?
The hook still sounds a bit niche and might not appeal so much to those unfamiliar with anime. Maybe something else could be proposed here? Possible suggestions could include how he was created as part of an effort to create characters that could "resolve conflicts as opposed to killing each other", or maybe something about the reception he received?
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew00:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)reply
All of these facts are in-universe facts, meaning they deal with the plot of Naruto. However, here at DYK, it is required that hooks about characters need to be about the real world, meaning that generally, hooks can't be about events that take place in the Naruto series. Perhaps
Tintor2 can better explain it than I can, but none of those suggestions can be used I'm afraid.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew02:24, 16 September 2019 (UTC)reply
What about this:
Unlike other shonen manga, Naruto resolves conflicts as opposed to killing each other, setting their differences aside. Many of the Naruto fans complained about this. Edo Madara is introduced in series to give Naruto someone to beat.
@
AbhiMukh97: That kinda works but it needs to be written from a perspective common readers who might not know the series. For example,
ALT5: ... that Madara Uchiha was introduced as a strong villain who could not settle his differences with the main characters in the Naruto series in contrast to previous antagonists?
Hi @
AbhiMukh97: I am starting to read this to review it. As reviewers, we need to check that the article meets the
WP:DYK rules. This includes that articles must meet the policy of
WP:Verifiability, meaning that "other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source." All quotes need to have an inline citation to the source that contains the quote.
I haven't finished reading yet, but I have noticed that there are some quotes and sentences that need citations. In the 'Creation and design' section, there are some words in quotation marks which do not have a citation to their source. Also, there are several sentences which say things like "Kishimoto felt the need ...", "According to Kishimoto ...", "Kishimoto found the idea ..." Although these are not direct quotes, they are attributing thoughts and intentions to Kishimoto. As there are several sources in that section which are interviews with Kishimoto, or convey his thoughts, you will need to place a citation to the exact source after each direct quote or each sentence that expresses what Kishimoto thought and intended.
Also, I don't think that it was decided which hook to use? I have added numbers to the two hooks which have not been crossed out (ALT4 and ALT5). Perhaps we can decide that they are OK, or perhaps we can think of others.
I will read more of the article, and let you know if I see any more things that need some work. Please ask me if you have any questions, too. Regards,
RebeccaGreen (
talk)
12:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Just as a reply to Rebecca, but ALT5 might not be suitable as it seems to fall afoul of the in-universe rule. As such, for now, it might be a good idea to focus on ALT4 for now, and perhaps come up with additional suggestions if it doesn't work out.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew00:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)reply
The nominator's user page says that they are taking a wiki break, so it may be a while before they do any more editing on this article. As for ALT5, I agree it's in-universe as written, but if, say, a "strong villain" was introduced due to reader feedback, that could make it more out-of-universe.
RebeccaGreen (
talk)
10:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator is on wikibreak and has not edited since October. Issues remain with the article's sourcing as well as the proposed hook. I've asked Tintor2 on Discord if they're willing to adopt the nomination, but as of this moment they have not responded (I will update if they respond). Until then, unless he or another editor adopts this, considering the nominator's inactivity, the article issues, and the age of the nomination, it is with regret that this is marked for closure.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew16:04, 4 November 2019 (UTC)reply
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The result was: rejected by
BlueMoonset (
talk)
06:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Significant issues still unaddressed; nominator is on wikibreak and hasn't edited Wikipedia in weeks; closing as unsuccessful.
Firstly, the hook proposed is unsuitable as it does not give an interesting fact about the subject. Secondly, there is currently a cleanup template in the article, which will need to be resolved before this can be approved for DYK.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew09:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)reply
I revised the reception a bit and thought about this:
Did you know that while Madara Uchiha is one of the final antagonists of Naruto he does not make his first appearance until the final arc?
Did you know that Madara Uchiha has been impersonated by Obito Uchiha for most of his appearances in Naruto?
The hook still sounds a bit niche and might not appeal so much to those unfamiliar with anime. Maybe something else could be proposed here? Possible suggestions could include how he was created as part of an effort to create characters that could "resolve conflicts as opposed to killing each other", or maybe something about the reception he received?
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew00:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)reply
All of these facts are in-universe facts, meaning they deal with the plot of Naruto. However, here at DYK, it is required that hooks about characters need to be about the real world, meaning that generally, hooks can't be about events that take place in the Naruto series. Perhaps
Tintor2 can better explain it than I can, but none of those suggestions can be used I'm afraid.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew02:24, 16 September 2019 (UTC)reply
What about this:
Unlike other shonen manga, Naruto resolves conflicts as opposed to killing each other, setting their differences aside. Many of the Naruto fans complained about this. Edo Madara is introduced in series to give Naruto someone to beat.
@
AbhiMukh97: That kinda works but it needs to be written from a perspective common readers who might not know the series. For example,
ALT5: ... that Madara Uchiha was introduced as a strong villain who could not settle his differences with the main characters in the Naruto series in contrast to previous antagonists?
Hi @
AbhiMukh97: I am starting to read this to review it. As reviewers, we need to check that the article meets the
WP:DYK rules. This includes that articles must meet the policy of
WP:Verifiability, meaning that "other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source." All quotes need to have an inline citation to the source that contains the quote.
I haven't finished reading yet, but I have noticed that there are some quotes and sentences that need citations. In the 'Creation and design' section, there are some words in quotation marks which do not have a citation to their source. Also, there are several sentences which say things like "Kishimoto felt the need ...", "According to Kishimoto ...", "Kishimoto found the idea ..." Although these are not direct quotes, they are attributing thoughts and intentions to Kishimoto. As there are several sources in that section which are interviews with Kishimoto, or convey his thoughts, you will need to place a citation to the exact source after each direct quote or each sentence that expresses what Kishimoto thought and intended.
Also, I don't think that it was decided which hook to use? I have added numbers to the two hooks which have not been crossed out (ALT4 and ALT5). Perhaps we can decide that they are OK, or perhaps we can think of others.
I will read more of the article, and let you know if I see any more things that need some work. Please ask me if you have any questions, too. Regards,
RebeccaGreen (
talk)
12:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Just as a reply to Rebecca, but ALT5 might not be suitable as it seems to fall afoul of the in-universe rule. As such, for now, it might be a good idea to focus on ALT4 for now, and perhaps come up with additional suggestions if it doesn't work out.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew00:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)reply
The nominator's user page says that they are taking a wiki break, so it may be a while before they do any more editing on this article. As for ALT5, I agree it's in-universe as written, but if, say, a "strong villain" was introduced due to reader feedback, that could make it more out-of-universe.
RebeccaGreen (
talk)
10:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator is on wikibreak and has not edited since October. Issues remain with the article's sourcing as well as the proposed hook. I've asked Tintor2 on Discord if they're willing to adopt the nomination, but as of this moment they have not responded (I will update if they respond). Until then, unless he or another editor adopts this, considering the nominator's inactivity, the article issues, and the age of the nomination, it is with regret that this is marked for closure.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew16:04, 4 November 2019 (UTC)reply