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This article lacks a lot of sources for outrageous not backed claims. Тутуноберач ( talk) 11:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
As of now, two separate fellow Wikipedists wanted to delete my contribution - one accusing me of "original research" (which is a bold claim because I'm certainly not an author of the cited source), other than it's just the opinion of one researcher which is contradicted by others.
Alright, so - can I see the sources that contradict what Nick Anastasovski wrote? Furthermore, how is it Anastasovski's mere opinion if he cites Petko Rachev Slaveykov and Crawfurd Price to back his point - something that my contribution includes?
I fail to see how I'm in the wrong here, although I'm sorry that my contribution proved to be so controversial. I'd ask the people involved to contact the Arbitration Committee or admins to settle this dispute, because I don't see how Anastasovski's work is unreliable (especially if he uses cites contemporary people's relations). If the higher-ups decide that sources I used are indeed unreliable, I'll back down. Otherwise, I ask my dear Wikipedist Jingiby to stop deleting my edit. Brat Forelli ( talk) 13:08, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
At the request of the founded in 2004 nationalist United Macedonian Diaspora (UMD), [1] in 2021 the US congressman Brendan Boyle introduced in the House of Representatives a draft of a non-binding resolution with an official title: "Expressing support for the designation of the month of September 2022 as "Macedonian American Heritage Month". [2] The United Macedonian Diaspora is recognized as a serious lobbyist of Macedonian interests in the United States. The resolution has mentioned some historical figures from the 19 and the early 20th century US as Macedonians and insisted the first Macedonian immigrants reached the territory of today's United States even before Columbus discovered America. [3] [4] That caused the critical reaction of the oldest organization of the Macedonian immigrants in North America, the Macedonian Patriotic Organization. It has sent an address to the US Congress on who Macedonian Bulgarians are, insisting the first Macedonian Slavic immigrants identified themselves as Bulgarians, at least until the middle of the 20th century. [5] For the same purpose, again at the initiative of the MPO, a petition to Congress has been prepared, insisting to suspend this resolution. [6] The Bulgarian ambassador to the USA, Georgi Panayotov confirmed there was an attempt to pass an incorrect resolution in the Congress, but resumed he will take measures on the matter. [7] On the occasion of UMD biased activity the branch of the MPO in Chicago began to send the book "UMD (United Macedonian Diaspora) children of the Lie" to all US Congressmen and local parliaments in each US state. [8] As result the resolution failed. [9] I consider this scandal a manifestation of Macedonian nationalism abroad in its purest form, and I see no reason why these events should not be reflected in the article, especially since they are undeniable. Jingiby ( talk) 06:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC) Jingiby ( talk) 06:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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I propose that the "Contemporary ideas" subsection be deleted, as not only does it extensivly violate WP:NOTESSAY, it also violates WP:NPOV and some of the statements are either not sourced or poorly sourced. It is clearly not in spirit of what Wikipedia is meant to be, hence why it should be deleted. I've opened this discussion in order to reach a consensus on this issue. Best regards to all. Kluche ( talk) 14:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Was it prohibited with an official decree? To what extent was it prohibited (for example, maybe officials were instructed not to use it, but citizens could use it) and was this the case throughout the whole existence of the kingdom in the interwar period, ie. 1918-1941? I used Luch as one example of use of the name. And Luch did exist for about a year, not a few months, and is it certain that the use of the name Macedonia was the reason the magazine was banned, after issuing about 10 issues? @ Jingiby Идеологист ( talk) 08:55, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Macedondom. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed, Rosguill talk 17:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
This article lacks a lot of sources for outrageous not backed claims. Тутуноберач ( talk) 11:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
As of now, two separate fellow Wikipedists wanted to delete my contribution - one accusing me of "original research" (which is a bold claim because I'm certainly not an author of the cited source), other than it's just the opinion of one researcher which is contradicted by others.
Alright, so - can I see the sources that contradict what Nick Anastasovski wrote? Furthermore, how is it Anastasovski's mere opinion if he cites Petko Rachev Slaveykov and Crawfurd Price to back his point - something that my contribution includes?
I fail to see how I'm in the wrong here, although I'm sorry that my contribution proved to be so controversial. I'd ask the people involved to contact the Arbitration Committee or admins to settle this dispute, because I don't see how Anastasovski's work is unreliable (especially if he uses cites contemporary people's relations). If the higher-ups decide that sources I used are indeed unreliable, I'll back down. Otherwise, I ask my dear Wikipedist Jingiby to stop deleting my edit. Brat Forelli ( talk) 13:08, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
At the request of the founded in 2004 nationalist United Macedonian Diaspora (UMD), [1] in 2021 the US congressman Brendan Boyle introduced in the House of Representatives a draft of a non-binding resolution with an official title: "Expressing support for the designation of the month of September 2022 as "Macedonian American Heritage Month". [2] The United Macedonian Diaspora is recognized as a serious lobbyist of Macedonian interests in the United States. The resolution has mentioned some historical figures from the 19 and the early 20th century US as Macedonians and insisted the first Macedonian immigrants reached the territory of today's United States even before Columbus discovered America. [3] [4] That caused the critical reaction of the oldest organization of the Macedonian immigrants in North America, the Macedonian Patriotic Organization. It has sent an address to the US Congress on who Macedonian Bulgarians are, insisting the first Macedonian Slavic immigrants identified themselves as Bulgarians, at least until the middle of the 20th century. [5] For the same purpose, again at the initiative of the MPO, a petition to Congress has been prepared, insisting to suspend this resolution. [6] The Bulgarian ambassador to the USA, Georgi Panayotov confirmed there was an attempt to pass an incorrect resolution in the Congress, but resumed he will take measures on the matter. [7] On the occasion of UMD biased activity the branch of the MPO in Chicago began to send the book "UMD (United Macedonian Diaspora) children of the Lie" to all US Congressmen and local parliaments in each US state. [8] As result the resolution failed. [9] I consider this scandal a manifestation of Macedonian nationalism abroad in its purest form, and I see no reason why these events should not be reflected in the article, especially since they are undeniable. Jingiby ( talk) 06:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC) Jingiby ( talk) 06:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
References
I propose that the "Contemporary ideas" subsection be deleted, as not only does it extensivly violate WP:NOTESSAY, it also violates WP:NPOV and some of the statements are either not sourced or poorly sourced. It is clearly not in spirit of what Wikipedia is meant to be, hence why it should be deleted. I've opened this discussion in order to reach a consensus on this issue. Best regards to all. Kluche ( talk) 14:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Was it prohibited with an official decree? To what extent was it prohibited (for example, maybe officials were instructed not to use it, but citizens could use it) and was this the case throughout the whole existence of the kingdom in the interwar period, ie. 1918-1941? I used Luch as one example of use of the name. And Luch did exist for about a year, not a few months, and is it certain that the use of the name Macedonia was the reason the magazine was banned, after issuing about 10 issues? @ Jingiby Идеологист ( talk) 08:55, 15 January 2024 (UTC)