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To give you my opinon, I say we should only include what is important, the winner of the main three races (F3, Guia and motorcycle), which the race have largely been centered on the most. If we add the GT Cup, which I doubt would last long like most support races, we may as well include winners of every support races there is that came and gone, inlcuding the Jackie Chan Cup, which is a Pro-Celebrity race. Donnie Park ( talk) 21:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
The 1983 race was won by Senna driving a Theodore Racing, this was a one off race, not his championship West Surrey Racing car he used in UK.
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Given that the first Formula Pacific race was run in New Zealand in 1977 (refer Formula Pacific) and that the Chronolgy page on the official website first mentions Formula Pacific in relation to the 1977 race (refer MGP Archive > Chronology > Decades of History) can we say that it was a Formula Pacific race from 1974? GTHO ( talk) 23:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
According to http://www.oldracingcars.com/atlantic/ it looks like the Macau GP in 1974-76 didn't use any particular formula, but limited cars to 1600cc engines. Leaving it as Formula Pacific, given that that name didn't exist until 1977, is silly. I propose changing them to " Formula Libre (1600cc)", and will do so unless something better is suggested. A7V2 ( talk) 03:45, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
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I'm not at all convinced that Kevin Bartlett ran with an Alfa Romeo engine in 1969. On [1] there is a brief description of the history of the Mildren chassis, where it says that in early 1969, the car ran with an Alfa Romeo engine (specifically in the Tasman Series), and was then fitted with first a 1600cc Waggott engine for the Gold Star series (Australian driver's championship), and later (in 1969) a 1900cc Waggott. Unless I'm mistaken, the 1969 Macau Grand Prix took place on November 16, 1969, so it should have still had a Waggott engine, and I can't find a single online source which says it had an Alfa engine, but several which say it was a Waggott, including the official Macau Grand Prix website: [2], [3], [4]. I don't have access to the original Autosport article, but I'm speculating that given that the car ran with an Alfa Romeo engine in the Tasman Series earlier in the year they probably just made a mistake. A7V2 ( talk) 12:18, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
GTHO ( talk) 02:45, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
The article claims that it is only one of two races that have the Grand Prix title that are non-Formula One. It claims that the New Zealand Grand Prix is the only other. Is there a reason why the Grand Prix of Pau is not included or is it a mistake that needs correcting? Nerdfighter Reed ( talk) 09:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
I found https://web.archive.org/web/19980612140337/http://www.macau.gov.mo/mac4/cartaz.html WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Does "Macau Grand Prix" refer to Macau Grand Prix race weekend or to Macau Formula Three Grand Prix? The article lede muddles the two. jnestorius( talk) 10:28, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
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SpacedFarmer proposed splitting this article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport#. There didn't seem to be a clear consensus to split yet the article was split anyway. I have reverted the split and am starting this discussion in the correct venue to try and gain greater participation.
The proposals seem to be:
Pinging participants at the previous discussion @ SpacedFarmer, SSSB, Rally Wonk, A7V2, Rpo.castro, and Tvx1:. John B123 ( talk) 20:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
mostly and open-wheel racing fandoes not help the argument. Whilst I dislike F1, I suppose being a single-seater fanboy beats being a WEC neckbeard, you see them on the internet, on Racedepartment crying "golden era" out loud to argue their narrative.
the race that gets more atention from the media and has more drivers known by readers and spectators[sic] because those other three are only notable because of TV coverages, only them, nothing else. Their coverages are also separate, if not insignificantly smaller. Also, it should be noted that in HK, they are not shown live anymore - all the races are squeezed into a single afternoon with the GP race being the only part screened live, the first week races is not shown on TV at all. Also, none but the F3 and motorcycle race is called the GP.
For single-seater and GT racing aficionados, a painful four-year wait ends this week with the return of the FIA Formula 3 and GT World Cups to their rightful place at the Macau Grand Prix.[5], [6],
All the winners of the previous five FIA GT World Cup editions are set to return to the Guia Circuit for the 70th running of the Macau Grand Prix to battle for their second victory in the world’s most prestigious competition for GT3 machinery[7],
The GT race that forms part of the Macau Grand Prix meeting around the fast and technical 6.120-kilometre Guia street circuit[8] and
More Macau Grand Prix history will be made this week (November 16-19) with the return of the FIA Formula 3 and FIA GT World Cups to the famous street racing event.[9], 3 of them from FIA website. What does the official website says:
First run in October, 1954 as a club race for local motoring enthusiasts, the Macau Grand Prix has evolved into what many believe is the finest street circuit race meeting in the world. Here we look back at some of the highlights of the last 60 years.[10] Note that Macau GP begun as sports car race, not Formula, so making the article into F3 article doesn't make any sense. But keep going, the same official website says as for 2020 edition
The 67th Macau Grand Prix ran from the 20th to 22nd of November 2020, during which five races were held on the world-famous Guia circuit, including the Formula 4 Macau Grand Prix, the Macau GT Cup, the Macau Guia Race, the Macau Touring Car Cup, and the Greater Bay Area GT Cup, bringing a thrilling car-racing extravaganza to residents and tourists alike.2021:
The 68th Macau Grand Prix, an annual international sports event of the city, was held from 19 to 21 November 20212022:
The 69th Macau Grand Prix provided an opportunity for drivers to compete along the legendary 6.2-kilometre Guia Circuit across 7 races. [11] For the event organizers there is no identity issue: its annual international sports event of the city. For FIA there is no identity issue. The only problem is article introduction that needs improvement, not a split. Looking for MotoGP, take a look at Portuguese motorcycle Grand Prix for example.
TThe Portuguese motorcycle Grand Prix is a motorcycling event that is part of the FIM Grand Prix motorcycle racing season.Results: all 4 categories: MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3, MotoE and previous (like 80cc, 125cc, 250cc and 500cc). Grand Prix of Long Beach looks a bit more like Macau GP saying its and IndyCar Race, but then you have "Other race winners". As for F1, going to F1 website, every single round is called Formula 1 sponsor + country Grand Prix + year like FORMULA 1 PIRELLI UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX 2024, so for Formula 1 there is no doubt neither, the Grand Prix is just about the F1 (races of F2 and F3 are called rounds, F2 round of Monte Carlo, not F2 GP of Montecarlo). Rpo.castro ( talk) 12:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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To give you my opinon, I say we should only include what is important, the winner of the main three races (F3, Guia and motorcycle), which the race have largely been centered on the most. If we add the GT Cup, which I doubt would last long like most support races, we may as well include winners of every support races there is that came and gone, inlcuding the Jackie Chan Cup, which is a Pro-Celebrity race. Donnie Park ( talk) 21:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
The 1983 race was won by Senna driving a Theodore Racing, this was a one off race, not his championship West Surrey Racing car he used in UK.
31.185.253.128 ( talk) 13:41, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Given that the first Formula Pacific race was run in New Zealand in 1977 (refer Formula Pacific) and that the Chronolgy page on the official website first mentions Formula Pacific in relation to the 1977 race (refer MGP Archive > Chronology > Decades of History) can we say that it was a Formula Pacific race from 1974? GTHO ( talk) 23:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
According to http://www.oldracingcars.com/atlantic/ it looks like the Macau GP in 1974-76 didn't use any particular formula, but limited cars to 1600cc engines. Leaving it as Formula Pacific, given that that name didn't exist until 1977, is silly. I propose changing them to " Formula Libre (1600cc)", and will do so unless something better is suggested. A7V2 ( talk) 03:45, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
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I'm not at all convinced that Kevin Bartlett ran with an Alfa Romeo engine in 1969. On [1] there is a brief description of the history of the Mildren chassis, where it says that in early 1969, the car ran with an Alfa Romeo engine (specifically in the Tasman Series), and was then fitted with first a 1600cc Waggott engine for the Gold Star series (Australian driver's championship), and later (in 1969) a 1900cc Waggott. Unless I'm mistaken, the 1969 Macau Grand Prix took place on November 16, 1969, so it should have still had a Waggott engine, and I can't find a single online source which says it had an Alfa engine, but several which say it was a Waggott, including the official Macau Grand Prix website: [2], [3], [4]. I don't have access to the original Autosport article, but I'm speculating that given that the car ran with an Alfa Romeo engine in the Tasman Series earlier in the year they probably just made a mistake. A7V2 ( talk) 12:18, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
GTHO ( talk) 02:45, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
The article claims that it is only one of two races that have the Grand Prix title that are non-Formula One. It claims that the New Zealand Grand Prix is the only other. Is there a reason why the Grand Prix of Pau is not included or is it a mistake that needs correcting? Nerdfighter Reed ( talk) 09:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
I found https://web.archive.org/web/19980612140337/http://www.macau.gov.mo/mac4/cartaz.html WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Does "Macau Grand Prix" refer to Macau Grand Prix race weekend or to Macau Formula Three Grand Prix? The article lede muddles the two. jnestorius( talk) 10:28, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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SpacedFarmer proposed splitting this article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport#. There didn't seem to be a clear consensus to split yet the article was split anyway. I have reverted the split and am starting this discussion in the correct venue to try and gain greater participation.
The proposals seem to be:
Pinging participants at the previous discussion @ SpacedFarmer, SSSB, Rally Wonk, A7V2, Rpo.castro, and Tvx1:. John B123 ( talk) 20:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
mostly and open-wheel racing fandoes not help the argument. Whilst I dislike F1, I suppose being a single-seater fanboy beats being a WEC neckbeard, you see them on the internet, on Racedepartment crying "golden era" out loud to argue their narrative.
the race that gets more atention from the media and has more drivers known by readers and spectators[sic] because those other three are only notable because of TV coverages, only them, nothing else. Their coverages are also separate, if not insignificantly smaller. Also, it should be noted that in HK, they are not shown live anymore - all the races are squeezed into a single afternoon with the GP race being the only part screened live, the first week races is not shown on TV at all. Also, none but the F3 and motorcycle race is called the GP.
For single-seater and GT racing aficionados, a painful four-year wait ends this week with the return of the FIA Formula 3 and GT World Cups to their rightful place at the Macau Grand Prix.[5], [6],
All the winners of the previous five FIA GT World Cup editions are set to return to the Guia Circuit for the 70th running of the Macau Grand Prix to battle for their second victory in the world’s most prestigious competition for GT3 machinery[7],
The GT race that forms part of the Macau Grand Prix meeting around the fast and technical 6.120-kilometre Guia street circuit[8] and
More Macau Grand Prix history will be made this week (November 16-19) with the return of the FIA Formula 3 and FIA GT World Cups to the famous street racing event.[9], 3 of them from FIA website. What does the official website says:
First run in October, 1954 as a club race for local motoring enthusiasts, the Macau Grand Prix has evolved into what many believe is the finest street circuit race meeting in the world. Here we look back at some of the highlights of the last 60 years.[10] Note that Macau GP begun as sports car race, not Formula, so making the article into F3 article doesn't make any sense. But keep going, the same official website says as for 2020 edition
The 67th Macau Grand Prix ran from the 20th to 22nd of November 2020, during which five races were held on the world-famous Guia circuit, including the Formula 4 Macau Grand Prix, the Macau GT Cup, the Macau Guia Race, the Macau Touring Car Cup, and the Greater Bay Area GT Cup, bringing a thrilling car-racing extravaganza to residents and tourists alike.2021:
The 68th Macau Grand Prix, an annual international sports event of the city, was held from 19 to 21 November 20212022:
The 69th Macau Grand Prix provided an opportunity for drivers to compete along the legendary 6.2-kilometre Guia Circuit across 7 races. [11] For the event organizers there is no identity issue: its annual international sports event of the city. For FIA there is no identity issue. The only problem is article introduction that needs improvement, not a split. Looking for MotoGP, take a look at Portuguese motorcycle Grand Prix for example.
TThe Portuguese motorcycle Grand Prix is a motorcycling event that is part of the FIM Grand Prix motorcycle racing season.Results: all 4 categories: MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3, MotoE and previous (like 80cc, 125cc, 250cc and 500cc). Grand Prix of Long Beach looks a bit more like Macau GP saying its and IndyCar Race, but then you have "Other race winners". As for F1, going to F1 website, every single round is called Formula 1 sponsor + country Grand Prix + year like FORMULA 1 PIRELLI UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX 2024, so for Formula 1 there is no doubt neither, the Grand Prix is just about the F1 (races of F2 and F3 are called rounds, F2 round of Monte Carlo, not F2 GP of Montecarlo). Rpo.castro ( talk) 12:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)