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This claims "From 1962 to 1980" he was batboy. He was born in 1962, so I dont think he was a batboy when he was 0 years old. Perhaps it was 1972? Anyway I cant check since its sourced from some documentary... someone should probably just remove the whole section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.134.236.56 ( talk) 20:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Interesting, some sources say he was born in 1962 and some in 1963, can we double-check and confirm this? Sources also say he was a bat boy 3 years prior to him rapping, when he sold albums from the trunk of his car before getting a record deal from Capital Records. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 12:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I can't find this album anywhere other than wikipedia, I'm pretty sure it's fake. Lalala666 00:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
There are plenty of sources to confirm that this is a real album, among the sites are VH1, IMDb, Hammer's personal site, MTV, TVGuide, various music download/album sites, and others. It should be noted, that Look, Look, Look is also known as Look 3X or Look 3x. Links to these sites can be confirm if necessary. Hope this helps. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 11:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
This article needs a serious copyedit, a less fannish style and some NPOV help. Goes on and on about how "important" he is—even the house he lived in at the peak of his fame is described as "world famous." -- Szyslak 08:50, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Have had a stab at cleaning it up, I'll leave it to others to decide if what I've done is enough. Dan100 23:50, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)
This dude could breakdance like no other. -- Cyberman 1 July 2005 09:02 (UTC)
He didn't actually break-dance exactly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.114.42.45 ( talk) 19:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
B grade site in wikipedia...just not good enough, its a PAGE ABOUT MC HAMMER we are talking about here, not a page about david letterman, this page needs to have more information and it must look clean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.163.42 ( talk) 10:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
It's interesting how admin attacks some people for unnecessary info and bans or blocks those that put "fan type facts" or make personal comments even in the talk page such as the personal comment about him being a good dancer, but allow others to do it without warning. I'm not attacking anyone, it's just that some have power-tripped and harassed some individuals as if to play favorites, and allow others to write as they wish. I think that the information for the most part gives details about his life fairly, but more than just being "fan-related", it's more bias I think. There is a tone that people either build him up and defend him or tear him down and rebuke him. To say there are "haters" out there would be a soap-dish comment but in all fairness, there are reliable sources to confirm the good and bad qualities of his life and achievements. Unfortunately, this is not a blog forum for comments about our opinion or approval/disapproval. For all of those who have contributed appropriately, thank you! There is so much "proof" out there about his life, so I hope we all check those first before writing hear-say. If nothing else, we can personally write, email or call him these days to find out the real scoop! (smile) 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 11:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
And put up a template saying "Stop! Hammer time!"-- 59.121.205.61 08:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
It would certainly explain why the house he lived in was "world famous".
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There is brief information about this already in the article. During his popularity, there were more detailed interviews conducted about this (ie. by Maria Shriver), but I'd have to do some research to confirm if there is anything online regarding it. He did form a gospel rap group before his fame and acquired M.C. from being Master of Ceremonies in the Navy. Hammer came from being a batboy and resembling Hammering Hank Aaron. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 12:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Its AFD debate did not have consensus, so I made the editorial decision to merge and redirect here. ser:Johnleemk|Johnleemk]] | Talk 13:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I noticed that Hammer's blog, Look Look Look, links to this page. This means that he (MC Hammer) more than like monitors this page. It might be a good idea if some one who is a little tech savy could keep an eye out for annonymous user contributions. -- 130.184.11.129 19:43, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, as you suspected, the unflattering bits about him being a one-hit-wonder and his expensive house and bankrupcy were deleted by 67.187.196.195 on Feburary 22, and, after someone reverted those changes, they were deleted once again by 72.254.178.4 on Feburary 23. On Feburary 24, 72.254.130.83 deleted another reference to his fall from fame and a Nelly song mocking him. This is just before his blog went live. I've reverted some of the changes, in a hopefully more diplomatic and acceptable manner. Let's hope this doesn't turn into an edit war. 67.169.19.135 11:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
man, this is a horribly POV article. not even one word about his bankruptcy or his becoming a joke in the business. there is definitly an anonymous troll URL who takes anything unflattering out. this is a serious breech of wikipedia's reputation. can someone reedit this article to make it, you know, factual?
20:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
i found the word i was looking for... POV-pushing. as for your question, is common knowledge not a good enough source? what exactly are you disputing with your dispute tag? the bankruptcy? the punchline? please let us know what you have a problem with.
Sparsefarce 17:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Common knowledge isn't really good enough I'm afraid, it's only common knowledge for a short while and we are building an encylopedia that will last. Personally I'm not disputing anything but others are hence my adding the disputed tag See the conversation here. I was sloppy and a bit rude of me not to post that link here this morning when i added the disputed tag. I was in a hurry, (had to go to work) sorry about that. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 18:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
i've added lots of sources about his decline and bankruptcy, also nelly's reference to him. anything else that needs to be cited? can we take the disputed tag off?
Sparsefarce 19:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
According to an ESPN interview with Ricky Henderson, while Hammer did work for finley, it was as an "Executive General Manager", not honorary vice president, and his job was handing out per-diem, tracking attendance, etc. But according to imdb 's hammer movie listing, he was merely a batboy. It's known he was at least a batboy for sure, and it's probable that he held an honorary title. But I've yet to find a single source stating he was a spy for finley. Furthermore, the particular section should be moved into it's own sentence, or rewritten somehow to be a less jarring contrast. (link to ESPN article [1])
Link stating he was a batboy [2]
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[3] from the baseball hall of fame calling him a "gopher",
[4] PR release for the Hammer movie, stating he was a batboy only.
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Here's a link to a Dec. 1990 Ebony Magazine article detailing many facts of MC Hammers life up until 1990. It mentions how MC Hammer got his nickname, his relationship with the Oakland A's, including how Bust It Productions was started with two $20,000 loans from two Oakland A's players. It has more details on his early life than this Wikipedia article.
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i realize that this might not be the most opportune time to bring this up, what with the minor editing war we've got, but i must complain about the current opening sentence stating that he is known for parachute pants and "catchy hooks."
i'd say that above anything else, he is known as a famously losing all his money. this has even been mocked by The Simpsons (the behind the laughter episode, [6] where the simpson's rise to fame is mirrored by hammer's real life. they even buy hammer's old house at one point only to have it reposessed later.) and other shows, such as Clone High. ("Why, I watched the first two-thirds of the M.C. Hammer 'Behind the Music', and if there's one thing I've learned about money, it's that it never runs out.")
you never hear mc hammer currently mentioned in popular culture as a guy with "catchy hooks." you almost always hear about him as a famous person who went through bankrupcy.
any thoughts?
Sparsefarce 20:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Can we then say he is known for his influence on hip hop, and his trademark parachute pants? Possibly even add something like "his meteoric rise and fall from fame"? Ah that last one sucks but you know what I mean.
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i made the changes. let me know if there are any objections Sparsefarce 18:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
"Famous Faliure" hs very much against "NPOV". In fact, it is hard to claim that anybody with the success Hammer has had as a "failure". By the same token, you could say that Elvis and Salvador Dali were "Failures", because nothing they did later in life measured up to the success they had early on. His career may have ended, but he was highly successful during the peak of his career. Most people are considered to have successfull careers, and never get half the fame and fortune that Hammer did. Mushrom 05:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
should we decide on one name to refer to him consistently throughout the article? we call him hammer, mc hammer, and even burrell. i looked at the Diddy article (as he is another hip hop artist who has changed his name a lot), and they call him "Combs" fairly consistently. not sure if this has any revelence here, as many people have heard the name "Sean Combs," but i'd bet you'd be pressed to find someone who knows mc hammer's real name.
any thoughts?
Sparsefarce 18:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Sean Puffy Combs' name is well known, mostly because of his legal troubles. I am sure that if you ask most people, they will recognize Sean Combs and his various names as being one and the same person. However, almost nobody knows that MC Hammer's real name is Stanley Burrell. It should probably be listed as "Hammer" in the article though, since that is the name he is most widely known by. Mushrom 15:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Fans, friends and family know he's Burrell, especially the die-hard fans who learned about him in his heyday, but he has always publicly gone by M.C. Hammer or just Hammer. His brother "Too Big" who used to hang with him as his "side-kick" in the early days was also known as a Burrell. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 12:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
parachute pants were popular during the 80's and hammer's was a style of it's own, the term for his pants is UFO pants, someone should fix this... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.188.54.173 ( talk) 04:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
Is it true that he put a hit out on someone in the past for talking about his mother in a song? I don't ask this for personal gain, but rather to discover if it's, for one, true, and also if it is notable enough for article integration. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 06:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I heard about this, also that Hammer is a hard-ass & not to be messed with. When he was rolling with Death Row he was quite feared. But that isn't gospel.
Only in his lyrics and/or interviews as far as I know. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 12:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I added an image I found to prove that STOP - Hammer Time may well be, in fact, an internet phenomenon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GHOSTS! ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC). http://www.xkcd.com/108/ http://tasty.soylentsoft.com/images/halt_hammerzeit.jpeg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.217.37.168 ( talk) 21:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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The late life section sounds kind of PoV, the way it's worded, especially describing his spending, which I don't understand why that's important.. puts him in a very negative light, whether or not his spending was stupid or not, words like frivolous seem a bit PoV'd here.. but I don't know that much about MC Hammer, so I don't feel I'm justified to edit it.
p.s. the discography // biography doesn't mention Bring Our Brothers Home, where would that fit in?
That (great) song was released as a single video after Look 3x. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 12:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I think that their was a Made for TV Movie on the life of MC Hammer. Does anyone remember the name?
MC Hammer was in a movie by himself about himself called "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em: The Movie" and "M.C. Hammer: Hammer Time!" (1990). It showcased his celebrity life while returning to Oakland for a visit. Many clips from the movie were in his videos, including music/dancing. I think the movie you are talking about though is a VH1 movie called "Too Legit: The MC Hammer Story" (2001). However, this brings up a really good point. There are movies that Hammer has acted in or made cameos in that are not mentioned in the article. He could easily be considered an actor among the other things listed with this article. While he may not have had the career in that area that others have, he was the epitome of rappers today. Dissed about it at the time for all he was accomplishing, now many actors/singers try to do all those things he did (ie. clothing, acting, commercials, using hooks from other songs to remake new rap songs, etc.) which could all be mentioned under his legacy section. What many people say about him being a sell-out or going "gangsta" was merely him changing with the times as many others do. However, he was credibly from the "hood" and was also friends with 2pac and Snoop Dog, Suge, etc. For us that remember when he was on t.v. all the time and news stories done about him in his heyday, could easily attest to this. Truth be told, if you listen to his early work from the 80s, he was dissing other rappers (ie. Run DMC) which lead to his most popular album to-date "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em". The reason for that "softer" record (although some songs on it were also street-related prior to the new sound of rap emerging) was to show he could embrace everyone and not just claim he was the best MC since he had openly attacked rappers in previous projects. The timing was just perfect for him in those days. Song for song, you could gather this just from the lyrics in his catalog. Nonetheless, the point here is that via link I added below, more information about him acting, listing his movie-related career whether with him acting in them or being about him, should be included. It should also have more of a bias tone and truly express his intentions in the genre and not what media and uneducated fans say about his music, style and purpose. For additional proof, the inserts (bios) in his albums usually tell the true story and I have them all. (smile) I am willing to make these changes on the site from time-to-time if no one else does. Regarding his movies, shows, and soundtracks he was apart of, IMDb and/or
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[8] are good sources.
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"Rick James' 'Super Freak' was the basis for 'U Can't Touch This', the song also uses samples of 'Der Komissar' by Austrian singer Falco. (Producer Felton Pilate, however, denies any samples from Falco)"
Who cares how Hammer squandered 20 million dollars? is not that fact enough. What idiot had to list every item he spent it on? This seems like more of a personal insult than a nuetral article. That whole section should be removed and condensed into a small paragraph summarizing the fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.226.0.227 ( talk) 15:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Hammer isn't the only nor the first artist to file bankruptcy. Ie. TLC, Billy Joel and many others. Do the articles about them do the same thing? No. In fact, because we are in the generation that he was famous in, we list allot more info than necessary because it's still "fresh" or noteworthy. Just like the article about Sara Palin, some articles tend to itemize every little detail. But you look at people who are dead from years or generations ago, and because the Internet wasn't around then but just as much news and unlimited facts were interesting, important or news-related then (some of which is too much information) is not listed or available. So I agree, this is not something that has to be a focus in the article. People just like to kick a man when he's down and it's really juvenile. I also notice how admin will target people who leave comments and if they don't approve of it, they label it as a violation and ban or block them. If they would take a neutral view, as they're supposed to, about all article such as this (and I'm not accusing everyone), then in all fairness some things should not be acceptable whether in the article or on this talk page. Thank you! 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 11:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Any chance someone can add a photo showing Hammer dancing, past or present? Either from a video clip or article? I have a couple of ideas, but thought I'd make the suggestion first. In the "dancing section" would be nice, thanks. 69.129.170.102 ( talk) 19:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
The Dancing section is embarrassingly sycophantic. -- Doradus ( talk) 04:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
No further disputes about it, so the dispute box can be removed. 69.129.170.102 ( talk) 14:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the edit made, this information was still kept but the title of the section was removed (not the content). The edit description may be misleading, but the text was left under the category of "Lifestyle and Business Entrepreneur". The entire section had been called "Oaktown Stable" which did not coincide with the rest of the article text for that section. Again, only the title was omitted/changed/removed, not the actual text about the subject. This is a "FYI" only, should the edit made not be clear and someone doesn't take the time to actually see that the text was left in the article, but not the name of the section. Jon the editor ( talk) 01:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Lifestyle and Business Entrepreneur Due to the success of the Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em album, Hammer had amassed approximately USD$33 million.
$12 million of this total was used to have his home built in Fremont, California, 30 miles (50 km) south of where he grew up. Among the documented features this house had included:
Recording studio 33 seat theater with stadium seating 2 swimming pools (one indoor/one outdoor) Tennis courts and a baseball diamond Waterfalls, ponds, and aquariums Mirrored Bathroom (at least $75,000 (£35,000) in mirrors throughout the house) $2 Million of Italian marble floors and a floor-to-ceiling gray marble office with customized marble niches for awards. Marble countertops in the kitchen (the house was heavily decorated in marble) A stop sign with "Hammertime!" engraved in to it, in reference to the song that made him famous Massive gold and black marble jacuzzi in the master bedroom Basketball courts Bowling alley Gold plated Hammertime underpants 17 car garage Two gold-plated “Hammertime” gates for entrance to the property A dishwasher installed in his master bedroom for the purpose of "cleaning up after a midnight snack" (as told in the VH1 movie about his life, entitled Too Legit: The MC Hammer Story). Many of these amenities did little to improve the value of the home.
After the purchase of the home, it left approximately $20 million, the money that was supposedly squandered. After the home, his money went into other things (much described as frivolous):
A fleet of 17 automobiles, including a Lamborghini, a stretch limousine, a Range Rover, and a De Lorean. Two helicopters. 1976 Refurbished "Hoopty Ride" Investments up to $1 million in Thoroughbred racehorses. Careless spending on high-priced items like antique golf clubs, Etruscan sculpture, and gold chains for his 4 pet rottweilers. Extravagant parties financed by Hammer himself. The huge entourage of over 300 people, most of whom were on his payroll, for total monthly wages of $500,000. Leased Boeing 727.
69.129.170.102 ( talk) 12:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the help evolving/expanding this article! 69.129.170.102 ( talk) 01:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Hammer's song on The Funky Head Hunter entitled "It's All Good" was not "..the first and most successful.. " song by that name. In 1993 Suga-T released an album and a song both with the title "It's All Good" whicch pre-dates Hammer's effort by at least 8 months. I'd submitted a change and apparently someone is more interested in keeping the lie up there than the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.142.156 ( talk) 03:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
His track IS the first most successful one, hands down. This has been and can be sourced. "It's all good" also became a pop cultural phrase as a result of it's/his commercial success (regardless of where or who it originated from). They both came out the same year (within a short period of time between them) and Suga-T's track (as well as other tracks by artists with the same song title) are mentioned within the article for "It's All Good" with sources provided. Doesn't appear to be a "lie". Hope this clears it up, thanks... 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 13:00, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
The Early Life section reads like an Oprah Winfrey voice-over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CarmenAutre ( talk • contribs) 00:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I removed the following content from the article as unsourced:
Having searched the archives, it seems it was originally sourced to [9]; however, that article doesn't entirely match up with the text (and seems more than a little opinionated and speculative), so I'm not putting it back; if anyone wants to go for a version more justified by the sources, feel free.... TSP (not signed in) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.252.66 ( talk) 18:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The name of Hammer's record company was Bust It Records which was a joint venture with Capital Records. Resulting from Hammer's initial company "Bust It Management/Productions, it was formed in October 1991. Bust It Management/Productions became Bust It Management which handled the careers of the artists on Bust It Records like B Angie B, Special Generation, One Cause One Effect, Ho Frat Ho, etc., along with MCA Records rap star Heavy D. Bust It Records closed exactly one year later due to financial reasons. I worked for MC Hammer from October 1990 to October 1992, first as General Manager of Bust It Production/Management (where I created and oversaw the administrative and operations branches of Hammer's corporations), Vice President of Bust It Management and finally Vice President of Bust Records in its final months. At the request of Capital Records executive Art Yaeger, I prepared the business plan, job descriptions, and financial budgets for the newly formed Bust It Records in the summer of 1991. There was no company called "Oaktown Records" while I was at Bust It nor had I ever heard of one.
This is just one of numerous entries here which is not wholly accurate.—Preceding unsigned comment added by OhMyGoddess ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
The person who made this original entry/statement above (unsigned by OhMyGoddess) may or may not be Linda Lou McCall who was mentioned in the article. I removed "Oaktown Records" from the Intro since it claimed "throughout his career" and it wasn't sourced, and because other cites state it's Oaktown 3.5.7 Records (as was the name of his female group). He has had his own labels, including Bust It, as you mentioned. But I left "Oaktown Records" in the Family Affair sections because I'm one of few people who own a copy of that album (haha) and it does say Oaktown Records on it (as I've also seen on music/auction sites selling the record). So this could be after you were apart of his staff or weren't advised of it, with all due respect, if in fact you were who you say you are (since there is no way to validate this based on your edit). If disputed further by anyone, please leave a response. But it won't/shouldn't be removed from the sidebar since at one point it was a record lable he owned. There could be confusion with him abbreviating his group or the city he's from with "Oaktown" possibly too. Not sure, but thanks for the input. 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 15:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
P.S. Also, as with other M.C.'s (M.C. Brains, M.C. Lyte, M.C. Escher, etc.) and his album covers (as well as search results), he is "M.C.", so I tried to change all the MC's I could find with periods.
Hello McHammer,
I have neices and nephews that can dance just like you. I know times may be hard now but why give up? You were and always will be one of the best dancers known to mankind. Please I am begging you to get started again and give the young people of today something positive to strive for. If you should get this message, please understand I am 40 yrs old and my favorite video is Too Legit Too Quit, it not only motivates me to work out and try to do your moves but my neices and nephews think they can copy your video down pact. Ant I tell them only the Hammer can and they say well try us.
Sincerely,
Tanya Henderson A.K.A. TINKER
P.S. Still watching you on UTUBE and still Loving all your dance moves, just please give us a chance, talk about a great comeback. Do you know how many young children look up to you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.50.38 ( talk) 06:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
The section is too small for what was a significant part of his career. We need to expand it somehow. - RomeW ( talk) 07:49, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Has been expanded and created as a section of it's own since the above edit was made. Thanks... 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 12:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I see no reason not to combine that section with the rest of the article.it seems out of place. "Strayed from his faith?" What does that mean? Anyone who knows what he's put out can note the obvious religious influence in all his work, but seriously? So what if's he's a religious guy? 64.234.0.101 ( talk) 04:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Some statements about his religious influence are incorporated within other sections of the article, but since his career and activities affected his faith in an extreme way and was apart of his music as well as him becoming an ordained preacher, it's warranted. It's all sourced and had a valid impact on his early life as well as career in music, ministry, etc. As with anyone who does gospel music (or variations of it) and is involved in ministry, it's reasonable to include it as a part of the article since it was a major part of his life and who he was. In his own words, as you can read within the article in other sections, it was his faith that led to his success but also caused him to "backslide" (stray from his faith) resulting in what possibly led to his downfall and eventual decision to go full-time in ministry (although currently he isn't only/just a preacher). When you take the history of his whole life in context, his Christian values was apart of the "big picture". Perhaps we can agree to disagree? (smile) Thanks for the input nonetheless... 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 13:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Both versions are currently being used on this page. As well both ways have been used throughout his time as MC Hammer. Although after referencing his official page you can see that he does not include the punctuation. So I am now going to attempt to unify the page by removing the punctuations. If anyone thinks that the other way should be, please voice your opinion here. CSLoomis ( talk | contribs ) 05:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
They were all changed, by me, except that one I found that I must have missed. The one that wasn't was the main article title. Both HAD been used, but weren't once I fixed them. If you can change the main article title/name to M.C., that would also be great while you're undoing the others. Thanks for fixing and discussing. Great job, happy 2011! 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 07:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Fyi: Editors, this matter is now resolved/fixed.
Ok. That was what I was hoping to resolve. To eliminate or merge. I think the article should be M.C. and the others (including the no direct) be MC. Like, reverse the way it is so MC connects to M.C. instead. But oh well, it's no big deal. Just wanted it all to match up. Me and my OCD I guess. Or is that O.C.D.? LOL, just kidding. Thanks! 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 07:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
First off, this was resolved, but someone just needs to merge the M.C. Hammer "redirect" to MC Hammer (this article). There is no reason to have it blank, when at the time Hammer began, he was clearly M.C. Hammer. I realize most cites/sites omit periods, and social sites don't allow you to use periods within user names, but that doesn't mean it's right. The rest of the article includes M.C. and all the portions I mentioned about him using and going by "M.C." and what it stood for, would grammatically include periods. I understand some just go by MC to mean emcee, and even Hammer has not used them on future albums. But it's not "wrong" to have the periods and it just makes more sense historically for it to include the periods. There needs to be a concensus on this because the above editor wants to "war" over me changing MC to M.C. on Jon Gibson's article, a page that I originally did awhile back with the very text he is arguing. Also, Gorlitz, I edit on Escher's page too. I realize he isn't a "Master of Ceremonies". I'm not sure if that was said to be funny or not, but I know those are his initials for his name. Thanks! Fyi: Admin, we need to come to an agreement on Gorlitz attitude towards my good faith edit on Gibson and his decision to tell me not to discuss it on his page for some resaon. I don't want an edit war, so I'm leaving it alone until this "redirect" issue can be fixed. It's a petty issue that could be resolved by just making this article M.C. and then directing MC to it instead (visa verse). I'm only trying to be consistant on all articles including references to M.C. as with this article. That's what's important here I think. Have a blessed 2011! 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 09:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
If "MC" is just how Wiki does it by chance, then it just needs to be accepted as M.C. too when editing the text within an article. Meaning, if it's ok for the article to contain M.C. but the title of the article remains MC, so be it. That would mean, when I go to update it on the article the above editor is reverting (even though within that very article M.C. is mentioned at least two other times), that it won't be changed or a problem and still links -- which M.C. is actually already linking to this page as is (MC). Not sure what the big deal is (I wasn't trying to "fix" the link), Walter Görlitz per [13] and [14]. 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 11:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Kind of "beating a dead issue" here. I did in fact only correct it to include periods, I was not trying to purposely link it to a redirect page. That's a fantastic accusation. Also, like I already mentioned above about the web and sites, I acknowledged and explained reasons why they may show MC. Nonetheless, knowing about the artist and sourcing a majority of his site and seeing articles within Wiki with his album covers during his original entry into the rap scene, they clearly say M.C. and also it's a matter of proper punctuation for a series of words being "abbreviated". Like I said, I concede if the article title is not being changed. But my attempt to add periods was not wrong nor was it done to intentially send it to a redirect page because M.C. Hammer still goes to MC Hammer just like Stanley Burrell was linked to MC Hammer and was left (which is no longer the case). Semantics. I am making a professional decision to remove myself from edits pertaining to the above user as well as this topic. If others decide to leave this article as MC, that is fine. I won't lose sleep over it. I'm not trying to be right or disrupt nor esculate/create problems as some users choose to do on here. I'm one of those guys who tries to "practice what he preaches", and as my talk page mentions guidelines and pillars, I'm going to be humble and exit from the topic completely. I would ask that the above user not purposely follow me and revert my edits intentionally nor add unnecessary comments to my talk page just to stir up resentment. I feel the point has been lost here and details overlooked. I also do not appreciate being made to look like a liar when you can not tell a person's intention over the computer which is why giving good faith is important. That same "faith" you would want yourself. Best wishes! Thanks and have a good day/evening... 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 01:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
"Chelvathev Chelvasekaram who is of Indian origin was born in Oakland, California" I was unaware of his real name and Indian background LMAO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.185.153.211 ( talk) 17:16, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I was doing some fixes in this section and the following statement (among others I've left out), would not accept/keep for some reason. It's pre-existing text that won't save again. Perhaps the word 'gangsta' is being "flagged"? Not sure why, but would someone please replace it as the next-to-the-last paragraph (third one overall)? I already removed the mentioning of other people in order to get it like it is now, which is the most similar way it was originally. Some of the other missing text it wouldn't allow me to save with the fixes aren't so important, but this statement about his new company releasing the hit single should remain as something relative to the topic/section. This is the final piece to add. (Additional information about Linda Lou McCall, the mentioning of Eminem and Biggie, as well as other sports players, were removed in order to get the "fixes" to take.) FYI: I removed other "flattery" words within the section, as well. There isn't anything that wasn't already there that I'm trying to include/keep. This "error message" shows up a lot in certain sections. Anyways, Thank you, in advance! :)
In 1993, Hammer's company released the hit rap song, " Gangsta Lean" by DRS. [15] [16] It spent six weeks at #1 on the U.S. Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart and peaked at #4 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 [1].
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P.S. Any variation of this will do (even if just the first sentence). Also, I had to remove the word 'gangsta' from Hammer's quote (about his music changing but him not claiming to be a gangster) in this section which was already there and is cited. Very strange, but this is constructive, and per my edits, certainly not vandalism. 209.103.209.92 ( talk) 09:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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This claims "From 1962 to 1980" he was batboy. He was born in 1962, so I dont think he was a batboy when he was 0 years old. Perhaps it was 1972? Anyway I cant check since its sourced from some documentary... someone should probably just remove the whole section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.134.236.56 ( talk) 20:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Interesting, some sources say he was born in 1962 and some in 1963, can we double-check and confirm this? Sources also say he was a bat boy 3 years prior to him rapping, when he sold albums from the trunk of his car before getting a record deal from Capital Records. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 12:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I can't find this album anywhere other than wikipedia, I'm pretty sure it's fake. Lalala666 00:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
There are plenty of sources to confirm that this is a real album, among the sites are VH1, IMDb, Hammer's personal site, MTV, TVGuide, various music download/album sites, and others. It should be noted, that Look, Look, Look is also known as Look 3X or Look 3x. Links to these sites can be confirm if necessary. Hope this helps. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 11:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
This article needs a serious copyedit, a less fannish style and some NPOV help. Goes on and on about how "important" he is—even the house he lived in at the peak of his fame is described as "world famous." -- Szyslak 08:50, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Have had a stab at cleaning it up, I'll leave it to others to decide if what I've done is enough. Dan100 23:50, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)
This dude could breakdance like no other. -- Cyberman 1 July 2005 09:02 (UTC)
He didn't actually break-dance exactly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.114.42.45 ( talk) 19:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
B grade site in wikipedia...just not good enough, its a PAGE ABOUT MC HAMMER we are talking about here, not a page about david letterman, this page needs to have more information and it must look clean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.163.42 ( talk) 10:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
It's interesting how admin attacks some people for unnecessary info and bans or blocks those that put "fan type facts" or make personal comments even in the talk page such as the personal comment about him being a good dancer, but allow others to do it without warning. I'm not attacking anyone, it's just that some have power-tripped and harassed some individuals as if to play favorites, and allow others to write as they wish. I think that the information for the most part gives details about his life fairly, but more than just being "fan-related", it's more bias I think. There is a tone that people either build him up and defend him or tear him down and rebuke him. To say there are "haters" out there would be a soap-dish comment but in all fairness, there are reliable sources to confirm the good and bad qualities of his life and achievements. Unfortunately, this is not a blog forum for comments about our opinion or approval/disapproval. For all of those who have contributed appropriately, thank you! There is so much "proof" out there about his life, so I hope we all check those first before writing hear-say. If nothing else, we can personally write, email or call him these days to find out the real scoop! (smile) 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 11:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
And put up a template saying "Stop! Hammer time!"-- 59.121.205.61 08:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
It would certainly explain why the house he lived in was "world famous".
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There is brief information about this already in the article. During his popularity, there were more detailed interviews conducted about this (ie. by Maria Shriver), but I'd have to do some research to confirm if there is anything online regarding it. He did form a gospel rap group before his fame and acquired M.C. from being Master of Ceremonies in the Navy. Hammer came from being a batboy and resembling Hammering Hank Aaron. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 12:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Its AFD debate did not have consensus, so I made the editorial decision to merge and redirect here. ser:Johnleemk|Johnleemk]] | Talk 13:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I noticed that Hammer's blog, Look Look Look, links to this page. This means that he (MC Hammer) more than like monitors this page. It might be a good idea if some one who is a little tech savy could keep an eye out for annonymous user contributions. -- 130.184.11.129 19:43, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, as you suspected, the unflattering bits about him being a one-hit-wonder and his expensive house and bankrupcy were deleted by 67.187.196.195 on Feburary 22, and, after someone reverted those changes, they were deleted once again by 72.254.178.4 on Feburary 23. On Feburary 24, 72.254.130.83 deleted another reference to his fall from fame and a Nelly song mocking him. This is just before his blog went live. I've reverted some of the changes, in a hopefully more diplomatic and acceptable manner. Let's hope this doesn't turn into an edit war. 67.169.19.135 11:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
man, this is a horribly POV article. not even one word about his bankruptcy or his becoming a joke in the business. there is definitly an anonymous troll URL who takes anything unflattering out. this is a serious breech of wikipedia's reputation. can someone reedit this article to make it, you know, factual?
20:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
i found the word i was looking for... POV-pushing. as for your question, is common knowledge not a good enough source? what exactly are you disputing with your dispute tag? the bankruptcy? the punchline? please let us know what you have a problem with.
Sparsefarce 17:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Common knowledge isn't really good enough I'm afraid, it's only common knowledge for a short while and we are building an encylopedia that will last. Personally I'm not disputing anything but others are hence my adding the disputed tag See the conversation here. I was sloppy and a bit rude of me not to post that link here this morning when i added the disputed tag. I was in a hurry, (had to go to work) sorry about that. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 18:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
i've added lots of sources about his decline and bankruptcy, also nelly's reference to him. anything else that needs to be cited? can we take the disputed tag off?
Sparsefarce 19:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
According to an ESPN interview with Ricky Henderson, while Hammer did work for finley, it was as an "Executive General Manager", not honorary vice president, and his job was handing out per-diem, tracking attendance, etc. But according to imdb 's hammer movie listing, he was merely a batboy. It's known he was at least a batboy for sure, and it's probable that he held an honorary title. But I've yet to find a single source stating he was a spy for finley. Furthermore, the particular section should be moved into it's own sentence, or rewritten somehow to be a less jarring contrast. (link to ESPN article [1])
Link stating he was a batboy [2]
Also
[3] from the baseball hall of fame calling him a "gopher",
[4] PR release for the Hammer movie, stating he was a batboy only.
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Here's a link to a Dec. 1990 Ebony Magazine article detailing many facts of MC Hammers life up until 1990. It mentions how MC Hammer got his nickname, his relationship with the Oakland A's, including how Bust It Productions was started with two $20,000 loans from two Oakland A's players. It has more details on his early life than this Wikipedia article.
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i realize that this might not be the most opportune time to bring this up, what with the minor editing war we've got, but i must complain about the current opening sentence stating that he is known for parachute pants and "catchy hooks."
i'd say that above anything else, he is known as a famously losing all his money. this has even been mocked by The Simpsons (the behind the laughter episode, [6] where the simpson's rise to fame is mirrored by hammer's real life. they even buy hammer's old house at one point only to have it reposessed later.) and other shows, such as Clone High. ("Why, I watched the first two-thirds of the M.C. Hammer 'Behind the Music', and if there's one thing I've learned about money, it's that it never runs out.")
you never hear mc hammer currently mentioned in popular culture as a guy with "catchy hooks." you almost always hear about him as a famous person who went through bankrupcy.
any thoughts?
Sparsefarce 20:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Can we then say he is known for his influence on hip hop, and his trademark parachute pants? Possibly even add something like "his meteoric rise and fall from fame"? Ah that last one sucks but you know what I mean.
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i made the changes. let me know if there are any objections Sparsefarce 18:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
"Famous Faliure" hs very much against "NPOV". In fact, it is hard to claim that anybody with the success Hammer has had as a "failure". By the same token, you could say that Elvis and Salvador Dali were "Failures", because nothing they did later in life measured up to the success they had early on. His career may have ended, but he was highly successful during the peak of his career. Most people are considered to have successfull careers, and never get half the fame and fortune that Hammer did. Mushrom 05:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
should we decide on one name to refer to him consistently throughout the article? we call him hammer, mc hammer, and even burrell. i looked at the Diddy article (as he is another hip hop artist who has changed his name a lot), and they call him "Combs" fairly consistently. not sure if this has any revelence here, as many people have heard the name "Sean Combs," but i'd bet you'd be pressed to find someone who knows mc hammer's real name.
any thoughts?
Sparsefarce 18:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Sean Puffy Combs' name is well known, mostly because of his legal troubles. I am sure that if you ask most people, they will recognize Sean Combs and his various names as being one and the same person. However, almost nobody knows that MC Hammer's real name is Stanley Burrell. It should probably be listed as "Hammer" in the article though, since that is the name he is most widely known by. Mushrom 15:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Fans, friends and family know he's Burrell, especially the die-hard fans who learned about him in his heyday, but he has always publicly gone by M.C. Hammer or just Hammer. His brother "Too Big" who used to hang with him as his "side-kick" in the early days was also known as a Burrell. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 12:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
parachute pants were popular during the 80's and hammer's was a style of it's own, the term for his pants is UFO pants, someone should fix this... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.188.54.173 ( talk) 04:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
Is it true that he put a hit out on someone in the past for talking about his mother in a song? I don't ask this for personal gain, but rather to discover if it's, for one, true, and also if it is notable enough for article integration. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 06:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I heard about this, also that Hammer is a hard-ass & not to be messed with. When he was rolling with Death Row he was quite feared. But that isn't gospel.
Only in his lyrics and/or interviews as far as I know. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 12:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I added an image I found to prove that STOP - Hammer Time may well be, in fact, an internet phenomenon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GHOSTS! ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC). http://www.xkcd.com/108/ http://tasty.soylentsoft.com/images/halt_hammerzeit.jpeg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.217.37.168 ( talk) 21:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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The late life section sounds kind of PoV, the way it's worded, especially describing his spending, which I don't understand why that's important.. puts him in a very negative light, whether or not his spending was stupid or not, words like frivolous seem a bit PoV'd here.. but I don't know that much about MC Hammer, so I don't feel I'm justified to edit it.
p.s. the discography // biography doesn't mention Bring Our Brothers Home, where would that fit in?
That (great) song was released as a single video after Look 3x. 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 12:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I think that their was a Made for TV Movie on the life of MC Hammer. Does anyone remember the name?
MC Hammer was in a movie by himself about himself called "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em: The Movie" and "M.C. Hammer: Hammer Time!" (1990). It showcased his celebrity life while returning to Oakland for a visit. Many clips from the movie were in his videos, including music/dancing. I think the movie you are talking about though is a VH1 movie called "Too Legit: The MC Hammer Story" (2001). However, this brings up a really good point. There are movies that Hammer has acted in or made cameos in that are not mentioned in the article. He could easily be considered an actor among the other things listed with this article. While he may not have had the career in that area that others have, he was the epitome of rappers today. Dissed about it at the time for all he was accomplishing, now many actors/singers try to do all those things he did (ie. clothing, acting, commercials, using hooks from other songs to remake new rap songs, etc.) which could all be mentioned under his legacy section. What many people say about him being a sell-out or going "gangsta" was merely him changing with the times as many others do. However, he was credibly from the "hood" and was also friends with 2pac and Snoop Dog, Suge, etc. For us that remember when he was on t.v. all the time and news stories done about him in his heyday, could easily attest to this. Truth be told, if you listen to his early work from the 80s, he was dissing other rappers (ie. Run DMC) which lead to his most popular album to-date "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em". The reason for that "softer" record (although some songs on it were also street-related prior to the new sound of rap emerging) was to show he could embrace everyone and not just claim he was the best MC since he had openly attacked rappers in previous projects. The timing was just perfect for him in those days. Song for song, you could gather this just from the lyrics in his catalog. Nonetheless, the point here is that via link I added below, more information about him acting, listing his movie-related career whether with him acting in them or being about him, should be included. It should also have more of a bias tone and truly express his intentions in the genre and not what media and uneducated fans say about his music, style and purpose. For additional proof, the inserts (bios) in his albums usually tell the true story and I have them all. (smile) I am willing to make these changes on the site from time-to-time if no one else does. Regarding his movies, shows, and soundtracks he was apart of, IMDb and/or
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[8] are good sources.
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"Rick James' 'Super Freak' was the basis for 'U Can't Touch This', the song also uses samples of 'Der Komissar' by Austrian singer Falco. (Producer Felton Pilate, however, denies any samples from Falco)"
Who cares how Hammer squandered 20 million dollars? is not that fact enough. What idiot had to list every item he spent it on? This seems like more of a personal insult than a nuetral article. That whole section should be removed and condensed into a small paragraph summarizing the fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.226.0.227 ( talk) 15:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Hammer isn't the only nor the first artist to file bankruptcy. Ie. TLC, Billy Joel and many others. Do the articles about them do the same thing? No. In fact, because we are in the generation that he was famous in, we list allot more info than necessary because it's still "fresh" or noteworthy. Just like the article about Sara Palin, some articles tend to itemize every little detail. But you look at people who are dead from years or generations ago, and because the Internet wasn't around then but just as much news and unlimited facts were interesting, important or news-related then (some of which is too much information) is not listed or available. So I agree, this is not something that has to be a focus in the article. People just like to kick a man when he's down and it's really juvenile. I also notice how admin will target people who leave comments and if they don't approve of it, they label it as a violation and ban or block them. If they would take a neutral view, as they're supposed to, about all article such as this (and I'm not accusing everyone), then in all fairness some things should not be acceptable whether in the article or on this talk page. Thank you! 2legit2quit2 ( talk) 11:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Any chance someone can add a photo showing Hammer dancing, past or present? Either from a video clip or article? I have a couple of ideas, but thought I'd make the suggestion first. In the "dancing section" would be nice, thanks. 69.129.170.102 ( talk) 19:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
The Dancing section is embarrassingly sycophantic. -- Doradus ( talk) 04:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
No further disputes about it, so the dispute box can be removed. 69.129.170.102 ( talk) 14:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the edit made, this information was still kept but the title of the section was removed (not the content). The edit description may be misleading, but the text was left under the category of "Lifestyle and Business Entrepreneur". The entire section had been called "Oaktown Stable" which did not coincide with the rest of the article text for that section. Again, only the title was omitted/changed/removed, not the actual text about the subject. This is a "FYI" only, should the edit made not be clear and someone doesn't take the time to actually see that the text was left in the article, but not the name of the section. Jon the editor ( talk) 01:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Lifestyle and Business Entrepreneur Due to the success of the Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em album, Hammer had amassed approximately USD$33 million.
$12 million of this total was used to have his home built in Fremont, California, 30 miles (50 km) south of where he grew up. Among the documented features this house had included:
Recording studio 33 seat theater with stadium seating 2 swimming pools (one indoor/one outdoor) Tennis courts and a baseball diamond Waterfalls, ponds, and aquariums Mirrored Bathroom (at least $75,000 (£35,000) in mirrors throughout the house) $2 Million of Italian marble floors and a floor-to-ceiling gray marble office with customized marble niches for awards. Marble countertops in the kitchen (the house was heavily decorated in marble) A stop sign with "Hammertime!" engraved in to it, in reference to the song that made him famous Massive gold and black marble jacuzzi in the master bedroom Basketball courts Bowling alley Gold plated Hammertime underpants 17 car garage Two gold-plated “Hammertime” gates for entrance to the property A dishwasher installed in his master bedroom for the purpose of "cleaning up after a midnight snack" (as told in the VH1 movie about his life, entitled Too Legit: The MC Hammer Story). Many of these amenities did little to improve the value of the home.
After the purchase of the home, it left approximately $20 million, the money that was supposedly squandered. After the home, his money went into other things (much described as frivolous):
A fleet of 17 automobiles, including a Lamborghini, a stretch limousine, a Range Rover, and a De Lorean. Two helicopters. 1976 Refurbished "Hoopty Ride" Investments up to $1 million in Thoroughbred racehorses. Careless spending on high-priced items like antique golf clubs, Etruscan sculpture, and gold chains for his 4 pet rottweilers. Extravagant parties financed by Hammer himself. The huge entourage of over 300 people, most of whom were on his payroll, for total monthly wages of $500,000. Leased Boeing 727.
69.129.170.102 ( talk) 12:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the help evolving/expanding this article! 69.129.170.102 ( talk) 01:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Hammer's song on The Funky Head Hunter entitled "It's All Good" was not "..the first and most successful.. " song by that name. In 1993 Suga-T released an album and a song both with the title "It's All Good" whicch pre-dates Hammer's effort by at least 8 months. I'd submitted a change and apparently someone is more interested in keeping the lie up there than the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.142.156 ( talk) 03:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
His track IS the first most successful one, hands down. This has been and can be sourced. "It's all good" also became a pop cultural phrase as a result of it's/his commercial success (regardless of where or who it originated from). They both came out the same year (within a short period of time between them) and Suga-T's track (as well as other tracks by artists with the same song title) are mentioned within the article for "It's All Good" with sources provided. Doesn't appear to be a "lie". Hope this clears it up, thanks... 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 13:00, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
The Early Life section reads like an Oprah Winfrey voice-over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CarmenAutre ( talk • contribs) 00:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I removed the following content from the article as unsourced:
Having searched the archives, it seems it was originally sourced to [9]; however, that article doesn't entirely match up with the text (and seems more than a little opinionated and speculative), so I'm not putting it back; if anyone wants to go for a version more justified by the sources, feel free.... TSP (not signed in) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.252.66 ( talk) 18:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The name of Hammer's record company was Bust It Records which was a joint venture with Capital Records. Resulting from Hammer's initial company "Bust It Management/Productions, it was formed in October 1991. Bust It Management/Productions became Bust It Management which handled the careers of the artists on Bust It Records like B Angie B, Special Generation, One Cause One Effect, Ho Frat Ho, etc., along with MCA Records rap star Heavy D. Bust It Records closed exactly one year later due to financial reasons. I worked for MC Hammer from October 1990 to October 1992, first as General Manager of Bust It Production/Management (where I created and oversaw the administrative and operations branches of Hammer's corporations), Vice President of Bust It Management and finally Vice President of Bust Records in its final months. At the request of Capital Records executive Art Yaeger, I prepared the business plan, job descriptions, and financial budgets for the newly formed Bust It Records in the summer of 1991. There was no company called "Oaktown Records" while I was at Bust It nor had I ever heard of one.
This is just one of numerous entries here which is not wholly accurate.—Preceding unsigned comment added by OhMyGoddess ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
The person who made this original entry/statement above (unsigned by OhMyGoddess) may or may not be Linda Lou McCall who was mentioned in the article. I removed "Oaktown Records" from the Intro since it claimed "throughout his career" and it wasn't sourced, and because other cites state it's Oaktown 3.5.7 Records (as was the name of his female group). He has had his own labels, including Bust It, as you mentioned. But I left "Oaktown Records" in the Family Affair sections because I'm one of few people who own a copy of that album (haha) and it does say Oaktown Records on it (as I've also seen on music/auction sites selling the record). So this could be after you were apart of his staff or weren't advised of it, with all due respect, if in fact you were who you say you are (since there is no way to validate this based on your edit). If disputed further by anyone, please leave a response. But it won't/shouldn't be removed from the sidebar since at one point it was a record lable he owned. There could be confusion with him abbreviating his group or the city he's from with "Oaktown" possibly too. Not sure, but thanks for the input. 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 15:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
P.S. Also, as with other M.C.'s (M.C. Brains, M.C. Lyte, M.C. Escher, etc.) and his album covers (as well as search results), he is "M.C.", so I tried to change all the MC's I could find with periods.
Hello McHammer,
I have neices and nephews that can dance just like you. I know times may be hard now but why give up? You were and always will be one of the best dancers known to mankind. Please I am begging you to get started again and give the young people of today something positive to strive for. If you should get this message, please understand I am 40 yrs old and my favorite video is Too Legit Too Quit, it not only motivates me to work out and try to do your moves but my neices and nephews think they can copy your video down pact. Ant I tell them only the Hammer can and they say well try us.
Sincerely,
Tanya Henderson A.K.A. TINKER
P.S. Still watching you on UTUBE and still Loving all your dance moves, just please give us a chance, talk about a great comeback. Do you know how many young children look up to you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.50.38 ( talk) 06:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
The section is too small for what was a significant part of his career. We need to expand it somehow. - RomeW ( talk) 07:49, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Has been expanded and created as a section of it's own since the above edit was made. Thanks... 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 12:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I see no reason not to combine that section with the rest of the article.it seems out of place. "Strayed from his faith?" What does that mean? Anyone who knows what he's put out can note the obvious religious influence in all his work, but seriously? So what if's he's a religious guy? 64.234.0.101 ( talk) 04:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Some statements about his religious influence are incorporated within other sections of the article, but since his career and activities affected his faith in an extreme way and was apart of his music as well as him becoming an ordained preacher, it's warranted. It's all sourced and had a valid impact on his early life as well as career in music, ministry, etc. As with anyone who does gospel music (or variations of it) and is involved in ministry, it's reasonable to include it as a part of the article since it was a major part of his life and who he was. In his own words, as you can read within the article in other sections, it was his faith that led to his success but also caused him to "backslide" (stray from his faith) resulting in what possibly led to his downfall and eventual decision to go full-time in ministry (although currently he isn't only/just a preacher). When you take the history of his whole life in context, his Christian values was apart of the "big picture". Perhaps we can agree to disagree? (smile) Thanks for the input nonetheless... 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 13:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Both versions are currently being used on this page. As well both ways have been used throughout his time as MC Hammer. Although after referencing his official page you can see that he does not include the punctuation. So I am now going to attempt to unify the page by removing the punctuations. If anyone thinks that the other way should be, please voice your opinion here. CSLoomis ( talk | contribs ) 05:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
They were all changed, by me, except that one I found that I must have missed. The one that wasn't was the main article title. Both HAD been used, but weren't once I fixed them. If you can change the main article title/name to M.C., that would also be great while you're undoing the others. Thanks for fixing and discussing. Great job, happy 2011! 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 07:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Fyi: Editors, this matter is now resolved/fixed.
Ok. That was what I was hoping to resolve. To eliminate or merge. I think the article should be M.C. and the others (including the no direct) be MC. Like, reverse the way it is so MC connects to M.C. instead. But oh well, it's no big deal. Just wanted it all to match up. Me and my OCD I guess. Or is that O.C.D.? LOL, just kidding. Thanks! 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 07:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
First off, this was resolved, but someone just needs to merge the M.C. Hammer "redirect" to MC Hammer (this article). There is no reason to have it blank, when at the time Hammer began, he was clearly M.C. Hammer. I realize most cites/sites omit periods, and social sites don't allow you to use periods within user names, but that doesn't mean it's right. The rest of the article includes M.C. and all the portions I mentioned about him using and going by "M.C." and what it stood for, would grammatically include periods. I understand some just go by MC to mean emcee, and even Hammer has not used them on future albums. But it's not "wrong" to have the periods and it just makes more sense historically for it to include the periods. There needs to be a concensus on this because the above editor wants to "war" over me changing MC to M.C. on Jon Gibson's article, a page that I originally did awhile back with the very text he is arguing. Also, Gorlitz, I edit on Escher's page too. I realize he isn't a "Master of Ceremonies". I'm not sure if that was said to be funny or not, but I know those are his initials for his name. Thanks! Fyi: Admin, we need to come to an agreement on Gorlitz attitude towards my good faith edit on Gibson and his decision to tell me not to discuss it on his page for some resaon. I don't want an edit war, so I'm leaving it alone until this "redirect" issue can be fixed. It's a petty issue that could be resolved by just making this article M.C. and then directing MC to it instead (visa verse). I'm only trying to be consistant on all articles including references to M.C. as with this article. That's what's important here I think. Have a blessed 2011! 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 09:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
If "MC" is just how Wiki does it by chance, then it just needs to be accepted as M.C. too when editing the text within an article. Meaning, if it's ok for the article to contain M.C. but the title of the article remains MC, so be it. That would mean, when I go to update it on the article the above editor is reverting (even though within that very article M.C. is mentioned at least two other times), that it won't be changed or a problem and still links -- which M.C. is actually already linking to this page as is (MC). Not sure what the big deal is (I wasn't trying to "fix" the link), Walter Görlitz per [13] and [14]. 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 11:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Kind of "beating a dead issue" here. I did in fact only correct it to include periods, I was not trying to purposely link it to a redirect page. That's a fantastic accusation. Also, like I already mentioned above about the web and sites, I acknowledged and explained reasons why they may show MC. Nonetheless, knowing about the artist and sourcing a majority of his site and seeing articles within Wiki with his album covers during his original entry into the rap scene, they clearly say M.C. and also it's a matter of proper punctuation for a series of words being "abbreviated". Like I said, I concede if the article title is not being changed. But my attempt to add periods was not wrong nor was it done to intentially send it to a redirect page because M.C. Hammer still goes to MC Hammer just like Stanley Burrell was linked to MC Hammer and was left (which is no longer the case). Semantics. I am making a professional decision to remove myself from edits pertaining to the above user as well as this topic. If others decide to leave this article as MC, that is fine. I won't lose sleep over it. I'm not trying to be right or disrupt nor esculate/create problems as some users choose to do on here. I'm one of those guys who tries to "practice what he preaches", and as my talk page mentions guidelines and pillars, I'm going to be humble and exit from the topic completely. I would ask that the above user not purposely follow me and revert my edits intentionally nor add unnecessary comments to my talk page just to stir up resentment. I feel the point has been lost here and details overlooked. I also do not appreciate being made to look like a liar when you can not tell a person's intention over the computer which is why giving good faith is important. That same "faith" you would want yourself. Best wishes! Thanks and have a good day/evening... 63.131.4.149 ( talk) 01:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
"Chelvathev Chelvasekaram who is of Indian origin was born in Oakland, California" I was unaware of his real name and Indian background LMAO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.185.153.211 ( talk) 17:16, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I was doing some fixes in this section and the following statement (among others I've left out), would not accept/keep for some reason. It's pre-existing text that won't save again. Perhaps the word 'gangsta' is being "flagged"? Not sure why, but would someone please replace it as the next-to-the-last paragraph (third one overall)? I already removed the mentioning of other people in order to get it like it is now, which is the most similar way it was originally. Some of the other missing text it wouldn't allow me to save with the fixes aren't so important, but this statement about his new company releasing the hit single should remain as something relative to the topic/section. This is the final piece to add. (Additional information about Linda Lou McCall, the mentioning of Eminem and Biggie, as well as other sports players, were removed in order to get the "fixes" to take.) FYI: I removed other "flattery" words within the section, as well. There isn't anything that wasn't already there that I'm trying to include/keep. This "error message" shows up a lot in certain sections. Anyways, Thank you, in advance! :)
In 1993, Hammer's company released the hit rap song, " Gangsta Lean" by DRS. [15] [16] It spent six weeks at #1 on the U.S. Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart and peaked at #4 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 [1].
re: An automated filter has identified this edit as potentially unconstructive, and it has been disallowed. If this edit is constructive, please report this error.
P.S. Any variation of this will do (even if just the first sentence). Also, I had to remove the word 'gangsta' from Hammer's quote (about his music changing but him not claiming to be a gangster) in this section which was already there and is cited. Very strange, but this is constructive, and per my edits, certainly not vandalism. 209.103.209.92 ( talk) 09:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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