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The result of the proposal was consensus for move.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 12:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I propose that we move this article to M1 Garand. "Rifle" is an unnecessary qualifier, and should be removed. See also M4 Sherman etc.-- Patton t/ c 23:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I support this attempt. M1 Garand 'rifle' is redundant. There is no confusion with simply using 'M1 Garand' as the title, given that there is no such thing as an "M1 Garand Tank" and the like. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brenden ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
In the article about the Garand, the caliber is listed as .30-'06 or 7.62 x 51 mm NATO. The 7.62 x 51 mm NATO (.308) is used in the M1A. The metric description for the .30-'06 should be 7.72 x 63 mm. Further in the text, there is reference to a civilian version of the Garand offered in .30-'06 and .308. The .308 version would be an M1A offered by Springfield Armory. BOSF53 ( talk) 15:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
7.72mm was a typo. Should have been 7.62mm. Would you not agree that the primary round was .30-'06 (7.62 x 63mm)? Some M1's were 'modified' for .308. Don't know what your source is, but the Military Channel's program listed the cartridge for the M1 as .30-'06. All the military manuals I have refer to it as .30-'06, and all the ammo I have bought at matches for the Garand have been standard issue .30-'06. BOSF53 ( talk) 18:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps some of the confusion here is the way the layout is done. Reading .30-'06 7.62 x 51 mm makes it seem that the two are equivalent, rather than .30-'06 and 7.62 x 51 mm. BOSF53 ( talk) 20:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your post Mr. Watters. Perhaps I am ignorant to the facts as Mr Nukes points out. That's why I ask questions and try to learn things. Were the M1's that were converted to 7.62 NATO issued as .30-'06 and re-barreled, action modified, etc, or were they 'manufactured' as 7.62 NATO? It would seem the modifications would be quite extensive if starting with a stock Garand. 24.136.247.14 ( talk) 11:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
The original M1 Garands were designed for 30.06, the standard rifle round of the American military. The previous uses of the 30.06 round in American use include(but are not limited to) the m1903 springfield, the 30.06 chauchat, and the BAR. Before Nato, it was common for countries to have their own calibers. Blamazon ( talk) 19:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Actually, I am wrong about that. I think John Garand's first design was in .273, but the military wanted him to make it in 30.06 so he did that and created the M1. Blamazon ( talk) 19:27, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
This has already been discredited as being hearsay. The only thing that you can hear whether you are 75 yards or 15 yards away and downrange is the bolt racking forward after reload. The person operating the weapon may hear a ping however slight but he/she is the one handling the weapon and not a german, italian or japanese downrange listening for a distinctive ping waiting for the right moment to charge. By the time they would hear anything,(which would be the bolt racking forward) it would be too late. Just ask any dead japanese or german soldiers. So, can we remove this nonsense from the article? These are always the things that are heard by people who have never been on the battlefield or simply put the myth to the test. 71.60.202.180 ( talk) 04:19, 17 December 2010 (UTC)R.G. Infante Jr. LCDR, USN (Ret)
I asked my dad about this years ago (he was an infantryman in Korea). He never heard of this issue and he sas someone who liked to take local knowledge seriously. Amcalabrese ( talk) 19:39, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
I own one, and I could barely here the ping when my clip ejected since my buddy fired his M14 at the same time as it did. To be fair, I was wearing earmuffs, but on a battlefield a lot more shooting would be going on. And yeah, you'd need a more reliable source than me. 174.5.11.131 ( talk) 06:01, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The sentence in the Function section of the main article "It was even harder and slower to reload than the M1903 rifle" relates to the infamous "ping" of the ejected clip. Actually the M1 is to my knowledge the quickest and easiest battle rifle to reload bar none. Given any service rifle or rifles you may like (including an M1) let them all start with a single round in the chamber, simulating the last round. Let all rifles fire their last round simultaneously and begin to reload and fire another shot. I'm assuming all shooters are well familiar with their rifles. I'll wager the M1 will beat all with the next round fired. After the last shot the bolt is locked to the rear and the magazine is empty. A new clip is retrieved and inserted. The loading hand is swung out of the way and the rifle returned to the shoulder and the trigger pulled. I think it is a very rapid and easy procedure and simpler (i.e. fewer steps) than any other service rifle. Relating to the ping, the enemy soldier, even if he heard it would have to be very close and quick to beat the rapid reload and following shot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktate749 ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
OK, I particpate in military matchs. Several particpants and competitors use M1 Garand and '03 Springfield rifles. My observations (yah, I know, WP:OR, but this Talk:M1 Garand) are that (a) the "ping" is inaudible over gunfire, sometimes with M1 Garand shooters on either side of me, and (b) the Garand guys reload with en-bloc clips faster than the Springfield guys using stripper clips.(Course of fire is standing off-hand, ten rounds per target, with most Garand shooters using one clip loaded with two and one with eight, which would mean ejection of two empty clips per target.) My father fought in New Guinea and the Philipines in WWII and never recounted an "M1 clip ping" story. My first encounter with the "M1 clip ping" was a 1950s war comic book. Naaman Brown ( talk) 12:56, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Additionally, all I've heard indicates that the "ping" is actually from the ejected clip hitting a hard surface, not from the ejection itself. If the clip landed on dirt, leaves, grass, or any other such soft surface, it wouldn't make that noise. Icanhasaccount has an account 19:13, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
The ping is from the ejection, you prove this by racking the bolt before firing the last round. You aren't going to able to hear the ping during a firefight, and chances are its a bad idea anyway to charge when you think you hear the ping since that might be the only person reloading. If you want to hear the ping, load one round into the clip and insert. Then rack the bolt and the clip will pop out with a ping. The idea that german, italian, or german forces timed their attacks using the sound of garand pings is at best, far-fetched. For one thing, garands aren't the only weapon used. LMGs, SMGs, and pistols do not have audible and recognizable sounds for reloading besides a lack of. Second, it is unlikely that enough rifleman would be reloading at the same time for an attack to be a good idea. This idea has been well known in military history. Third, japanese "banzai" attacks are often exaggerated in their effectiveness and their quantity. As you can guess, charging through the open with melee weapons against a modern army(meaning they have machine guns) is a bad idea and is very wasteful. The Japanese realized this and stopped doing it afterwards. The first battle where banzai tactics were no longer used was on Peleliu. American forces on Peleliu and several battles afterward believed that banzai attacks were coming, and deployed against them. This ended up costing time and resources for the Americans. (Infromation on Peleliu is drawn from "WITH THE OLD BREED" by E.B.Sledge) Blamazon ( talk) 19:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Canada used the M1 with the 1SSF. Also, post war in Europe some troops were issued them to have compatibility with US troops. These rifles were marked with a W. In addition, the Dominion Arsenal in Quebec made en blocs. 174.5.11.131 ( talk) 06:04, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The "Development" section talks about T1E1, T2E3, etc, but doesn't indicate what these terms mean. What are they? -- Badger151 ( talk) 00:43, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
While Mr. Garand may have been Canadian, does not necessarily mean the country of origin was Canada. In fact, Garand was working for a US company (Springfield Armory)in the US, meaning the country of origin is the United States rather than Canada... I find it odd either way that Canada is listed as an origin country of such a mass produced firearm, yet they do not even use it. AloDurranium ( talk) 00:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
The inventor was a US citizen at the time of the product's patent and production. The patent reads that he was of Springfield Massachusetts. In the 1920's, as later, the US naturalization process may have required a renunciation of foreign citizenships, even Canadian. In a formal article, it may be best to simply describe the inventor as Canadian-American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 ( talk) 00:30, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Or did it simply allow more rapid fire at key moments ? I'm thinking that you could chew up a lot of ammunition pretty quickly with it. What about overheating : would it limit total ammunition expenditure ? If the former, did ammunition supply to the frontline to support it require extra resources compared to troops equipped with bolt-action rifles ? Do we know how many rounds an infantryman equipped with it expended compared to troops in similar action with bolt-action rifles ? Rcbutcher ( talk) 10:46, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Most likely yes, but I doubt it was wasteful. Semi-automatic weapons have much more potential and capabilities than bolt-action rifles. It can give a single soldier more firepower than several soldiers with bolt-action rifles(for a short time). This makes it more effective at suppressing enemies.
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We used M1 rifles on rare occasions for target practice in the Greek army (in 2004) in addition to the normally distributed G3A3 rifles we had. I suppose they did that simply to get rid of old ammunition. Should I edit the entry under Users from "Still in use for ceremonial duties by the Presidential Guard." to "Still in use for ceremonial duties by the Presidential Guard and for training." or is my first person testimony too vague and too unencyclopaedic? Iago 212 12:08, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
"Demilitarized models have modifications to prevent reversion. The gas cylinder lock screw is welded to the gas lock and gas cylinder and the firing pin hole is welded closed on the bolt face. The barrel is drilled-out, plugged and welded at the chamber mouth and then welded to the receiver". Can somebody please translate this to meaningful civilian language. Demilitarized ? Reversion ? The basic idea being ? Rcbutcher ( talk) 12:24, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
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Perhaps demilitarized should be changed to read "drill rifles". Are there other civilian, non-military uses, besides drilling - (how boring!). For example, CMP rifles may have been part of the US civilian marksmanship program. Also, in the separate drill article, it seems that those doing the most drills/drilling is still the military, so the term de-militarized just does not seem to fit, either way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 ( talk) 00:48, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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This does seem to be a simple fact, with US weapons received in small numbers directly from the OSS, further tiny amounts captured or stolen from the French in the South or the Chinese in the north (or abandoned by them), considerable amounts received from the Chinese, captured during the Korean way, even before the fighting escalated in the south. Anmccaff ( talk) 03:09, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
BilCat, Trekphiler, I looked at the AfD for the model 1919, and it looks, frankly, like a POV based decision. I think it might deserve an article, even though its influence was mostly indirect. Anmccaff ( talk) 22:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I think the best solution is to incorporate elements of the userfied recovered page into M1 Garand and use Model 1919 as a redirect. Over at the Milhist talk page, there was a ref to "M0" that I'm less sure of using.-- Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Here's a reference and images for the Garand's 1919 and his other prototypes... https://www.nps.gov/spar/learn/historyculture/experimental-rifles-by-john-garand-1919-36.htm However, please do not overstate the importance of the 1919. It had nothing in common with the M1. It's just one of the many designs that John Garand worked on. He didn't start working on the M1 prototype until 1926.-- RAF910 ( talk) 01:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I was thinking that perhaps, it would be better to only generally mention that John Garand work on other prototype firearms on this, the M1 rifle page. However, we can go into more detail about his earlier designs on the John Garand page. There, it would be more appropriate to discuss the milestones on his journey to develop the M1 rifle. We can also go into more detail on his post WWII works such as the T20 which led the way to the M14 which he also consulted on.-- RAF910 ( talk) 16:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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The stuff recently added looks quite possibly partly true, but so badly sourced I nuked it awaiting something more authoritative. Anmccaff ( talk) 17:37, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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To claim it's a refuted myth, you need to cite better sources than this one, and present them on the talk page
(Re ruses based on clip ejection) On the other hand, he didn't claim it was a refuted myth in the article, he merely removed it from there....which I think might have its points. I know of no contemporaneous cites for this at all, and if it were common enough to be worth mentioning in an article there should be. Anmccaff ( talk) 20:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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Ljungman was used quite commonly for direct-gas systems, including some that had only a passing resemblance to the AG42. Anmccaff ( talk) 19:02, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Foot note 1 is mostly already contained in the lede. Why the redundancy? -- 84.132.147.249 ( talk) 22:35, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Could someone help me include the picture from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Copenhagen_2014-05-21_(14109673437).jpg showing Norwegian Drill soldiers with their M1's? Bjs5005 ( talk) 22:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
I have been digging up information on the Garand since I knew WWII existed. But I still have the same question I had since then.
While inserting a full en bloc clip into the open magazine well with your thumb on the top of the first cartridge case(not the bullet, because this causes Garand thumb) and completely push the clip into the gun(all the way), you can simply lift your thumb up quickly and the bolt will chamber a round. You can do this because if you have your thumb firmly on the top cartridge case, your thumb has enough friction to hold the bolt back long enough to let the gun automatically chamber the first round without having to hold back the bolt or get Garand thumb.
Am I right about this? Blamazon ( talk) 19:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
The page to which "Adjutant General John B. Shuman" was linked to did not exist, so I removed it and made it a normal part of the text back on Feb 24 of this year. Chevy217 ( talk) 19:14, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Under the section of Current Users, some of the countries have the M1 Garand as only a ceremonial weapon, such as Belgium, Greece, and Turkey, which makes sense. But then under Former Users, there are countries which still use it as a standard ceremonial weapon, such as Japan, South Korea, Philippines, and the United States, are not under Current Users, which does not make sense. Is there a reason on why there are not all under the same section or should they be moved to be correct? CloneCommanderFordo ( talk) 18:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the proposal was consensus for move.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 12:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I propose that we move this article to M1 Garand. "Rifle" is an unnecessary qualifier, and should be removed. See also M4 Sherman etc.-- Patton t/ c 23:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I support this attempt. M1 Garand 'rifle' is redundant. There is no confusion with simply using 'M1 Garand' as the title, given that there is no such thing as an "M1 Garand Tank" and the like. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brenden ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
In the article about the Garand, the caliber is listed as .30-'06 or 7.62 x 51 mm NATO. The 7.62 x 51 mm NATO (.308) is used in the M1A. The metric description for the .30-'06 should be 7.72 x 63 mm. Further in the text, there is reference to a civilian version of the Garand offered in .30-'06 and .308. The .308 version would be an M1A offered by Springfield Armory. BOSF53 ( talk) 15:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
7.72mm was a typo. Should have been 7.62mm. Would you not agree that the primary round was .30-'06 (7.62 x 63mm)? Some M1's were 'modified' for .308. Don't know what your source is, but the Military Channel's program listed the cartridge for the M1 as .30-'06. All the military manuals I have refer to it as .30-'06, and all the ammo I have bought at matches for the Garand have been standard issue .30-'06. BOSF53 ( talk) 18:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps some of the confusion here is the way the layout is done. Reading .30-'06 7.62 x 51 mm makes it seem that the two are equivalent, rather than .30-'06 and 7.62 x 51 mm. BOSF53 ( talk) 20:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your post Mr. Watters. Perhaps I am ignorant to the facts as Mr Nukes points out. That's why I ask questions and try to learn things. Were the M1's that were converted to 7.62 NATO issued as .30-'06 and re-barreled, action modified, etc, or were they 'manufactured' as 7.62 NATO? It would seem the modifications would be quite extensive if starting with a stock Garand. 24.136.247.14 ( talk) 11:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
The original M1 Garands were designed for 30.06, the standard rifle round of the American military. The previous uses of the 30.06 round in American use include(but are not limited to) the m1903 springfield, the 30.06 chauchat, and the BAR. Before Nato, it was common for countries to have their own calibers. Blamazon ( talk) 19:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Actually, I am wrong about that. I think John Garand's first design was in .273, but the military wanted him to make it in 30.06 so he did that and created the M1. Blamazon ( talk) 19:27, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
This has already been discredited as being hearsay. The only thing that you can hear whether you are 75 yards or 15 yards away and downrange is the bolt racking forward after reload. The person operating the weapon may hear a ping however slight but he/she is the one handling the weapon and not a german, italian or japanese downrange listening for a distinctive ping waiting for the right moment to charge. By the time they would hear anything,(which would be the bolt racking forward) it would be too late. Just ask any dead japanese or german soldiers. So, can we remove this nonsense from the article? These are always the things that are heard by people who have never been on the battlefield or simply put the myth to the test. 71.60.202.180 ( talk) 04:19, 17 December 2010 (UTC)R.G. Infante Jr. LCDR, USN (Ret)
I asked my dad about this years ago (he was an infantryman in Korea). He never heard of this issue and he sas someone who liked to take local knowledge seriously. Amcalabrese ( talk) 19:39, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
I own one, and I could barely here the ping when my clip ejected since my buddy fired his M14 at the same time as it did. To be fair, I was wearing earmuffs, but on a battlefield a lot more shooting would be going on. And yeah, you'd need a more reliable source than me. 174.5.11.131 ( talk) 06:01, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The sentence in the Function section of the main article "It was even harder and slower to reload than the M1903 rifle" relates to the infamous "ping" of the ejected clip. Actually the M1 is to my knowledge the quickest and easiest battle rifle to reload bar none. Given any service rifle or rifles you may like (including an M1) let them all start with a single round in the chamber, simulating the last round. Let all rifles fire their last round simultaneously and begin to reload and fire another shot. I'm assuming all shooters are well familiar with their rifles. I'll wager the M1 will beat all with the next round fired. After the last shot the bolt is locked to the rear and the magazine is empty. A new clip is retrieved and inserted. The loading hand is swung out of the way and the rifle returned to the shoulder and the trigger pulled. I think it is a very rapid and easy procedure and simpler (i.e. fewer steps) than any other service rifle. Relating to the ping, the enemy soldier, even if he heard it would have to be very close and quick to beat the rapid reload and following shot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktate749 ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
OK, I particpate in military matchs. Several particpants and competitors use M1 Garand and '03 Springfield rifles. My observations (yah, I know, WP:OR, but this Talk:M1 Garand) are that (a) the "ping" is inaudible over gunfire, sometimes with M1 Garand shooters on either side of me, and (b) the Garand guys reload with en-bloc clips faster than the Springfield guys using stripper clips.(Course of fire is standing off-hand, ten rounds per target, with most Garand shooters using one clip loaded with two and one with eight, which would mean ejection of two empty clips per target.) My father fought in New Guinea and the Philipines in WWII and never recounted an "M1 clip ping" story. My first encounter with the "M1 clip ping" was a 1950s war comic book. Naaman Brown ( talk) 12:56, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Additionally, all I've heard indicates that the "ping" is actually from the ejected clip hitting a hard surface, not from the ejection itself. If the clip landed on dirt, leaves, grass, or any other such soft surface, it wouldn't make that noise. Icanhasaccount has an account 19:13, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
The ping is from the ejection, you prove this by racking the bolt before firing the last round. You aren't going to able to hear the ping during a firefight, and chances are its a bad idea anyway to charge when you think you hear the ping since that might be the only person reloading. If you want to hear the ping, load one round into the clip and insert. Then rack the bolt and the clip will pop out with a ping. The idea that german, italian, or german forces timed their attacks using the sound of garand pings is at best, far-fetched. For one thing, garands aren't the only weapon used. LMGs, SMGs, and pistols do not have audible and recognizable sounds for reloading besides a lack of. Second, it is unlikely that enough rifleman would be reloading at the same time for an attack to be a good idea. This idea has been well known in military history. Third, japanese "banzai" attacks are often exaggerated in their effectiveness and their quantity. As you can guess, charging through the open with melee weapons against a modern army(meaning they have machine guns) is a bad idea and is very wasteful. The Japanese realized this and stopped doing it afterwards. The first battle where banzai tactics were no longer used was on Peleliu. American forces on Peleliu and several battles afterward believed that banzai attacks were coming, and deployed against them. This ended up costing time and resources for the Americans. (Infromation on Peleliu is drawn from "WITH THE OLD BREED" by E.B.Sledge) Blamazon ( talk) 19:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Canada used the M1 with the 1SSF. Also, post war in Europe some troops were issued them to have compatibility with US troops. These rifles were marked with a W. In addition, the Dominion Arsenal in Quebec made en blocs. 174.5.11.131 ( talk) 06:04, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The "Development" section talks about T1E1, T2E3, etc, but doesn't indicate what these terms mean. What are they? -- Badger151 ( talk) 00:43, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
While Mr. Garand may have been Canadian, does not necessarily mean the country of origin was Canada. In fact, Garand was working for a US company (Springfield Armory)in the US, meaning the country of origin is the United States rather than Canada... I find it odd either way that Canada is listed as an origin country of such a mass produced firearm, yet they do not even use it. AloDurranium ( talk) 00:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
The inventor was a US citizen at the time of the product's patent and production. The patent reads that he was of Springfield Massachusetts. In the 1920's, as later, the US naturalization process may have required a renunciation of foreign citizenships, even Canadian. In a formal article, it may be best to simply describe the inventor as Canadian-American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 ( talk) 00:30, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Or did it simply allow more rapid fire at key moments ? I'm thinking that you could chew up a lot of ammunition pretty quickly with it. What about overheating : would it limit total ammunition expenditure ? If the former, did ammunition supply to the frontline to support it require extra resources compared to troops equipped with bolt-action rifles ? Do we know how many rounds an infantryman equipped with it expended compared to troops in similar action with bolt-action rifles ? Rcbutcher ( talk) 10:46, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Most likely yes, but I doubt it was wasteful. Semi-automatic weapons have much more potential and capabilities than bolt-action rifles. It can give a single soldier more firepower than several soldiers with bolt-action rifles(for a short time). This makes it more effective at suppressing enemies.
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We used M1 rifles on rare occasions for target practice in the Greek army (in 2004) in addition to the normally distributed G3A3 rifles we had. I suppose they did that simply to get rid of old ammunition. Should I edit the entry under Users from "Still in use for ceremonial duties by the Presidential Guard." to "Still in use for ceremonial duties by the Presidential Guard and for training." or is my first person testimony too vague and too unencyclopaedic? Iago 212 12:08, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
"Demilitarized models have modifications to prevent reversion. The gas cylinder lock screw is welded to the gas lock and gas cylinder and the firing pin hole is welded closed on the bolt face. The barrel is drilled-out, plugged and welded at the chamber mouth and then welded to the receiver". Can somebody please translate this to meaningful civilian language. Demilitarized ? Reversion ? The basic idea being ? Rcbutcher ( talk) 12:24, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
DONE...-- RAF910 ( talk) 19:44, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps demilitarized should be changed to read "drill rifles". Are there other civilian, non-military uses, besides drilling - (how boring!). For example, CMP rifles may have been part of the US civilian marksmanship program. Also, in the separate drill article, it seems that those doing the most drills/drilling is still the military, so the term de-militarized just does not seem to fit, either way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 ( talk) 00:48, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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This does seem to be a simple fact, with US weapons received in small numbers directly from the OSS, further tiny amounts captured or stolen from the French in the South or the Chinese in the north (or abandoned by them), considerable amounts received from the Chinese, captured during the Korean way, even before the fighting escalated in the south. Anmccaff ( talk) 03:09, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
BilCat, Trekphiler, I looked at the AfD for the model 1919, and it looks, frankly, like a POV based decision. I think it might deserve an article, even though its influence was mostly indirect. Anmccaff ( talk) 22:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I think the best solution is to incorporate elements of the userfied recovered page into M1 Garand and use Model 1919 as a redirect. Over at the Milhist talk page, there was a ref to "M0" that I'm less sure of using.-- Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Here's a reference and images for the Garand's 1919 and his other prototypes... https://www.nps.gov/spar/learn/historyculture/experimental-rifles-by-john-garand-1919-36.htm However, please do not overstate the importance of the 1919. It had nothing in common with the M1. It's just one of the many designs that John Garand worked on. He didn't start working on the M1 prototype until 1926.-- RAF910 ( talk) 01:16, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I was thinking that perhaps, it would be better to only generally mention that John Garand work on other prototype firearms on this, the M1 rifle page. However, we can go into more detail about his earlier designs on the John Garand page. There, it would be more appropriate to discuss the milestones on his journey to develop the M1 rifle. We can also go into more detail on his post WWII works such as the T20 which led the way to the M14 which he also consulted on.-- RAF910 ( talk) 16:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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The stuff recently added looks quite possibly partly true, but so badly sourced I nuked it awaiting something more authoritative. Anmccaff ( talk) 17:37, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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To claim it's a refuted myth, you need to cite better sources than this one, and present them on the talk page
(Re ruses based on clip ejection) On the other hand, he didn't claim it was a refuted myth in the article, he merely removed it from there....which I think might have its points. I know of no contemporaneous cites for this at all, and if it were common enough to be worth mentioning in an article there should be. Anmccaff ( talk) 20:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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Ljungman was used quite commonly for direct-gas systems, including some that had only a passing resemblance to the AG42. Anmccaff ( talk) 19:02, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Foot note 1 is mostly already contained in the lede. Why the redundancy? -- 84.132.147.249 ( talk) 22:35, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Could someone help me include the picture from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Copenhagen_2014-05-21_(14109673437).jpg showing Norwegian Drill soldiers with their M1's? Bjs5005 ( talk) 22:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
I have been digging up information on the Garand since I knew WWII existed. But I still have the same question I had since then.
While inserting a full en bloc clip into the open magazine well with your thumb on the top of the first cartridge case(not the bullet, because this causes Garand thumb) and completely push the clip into the gun(all the way), you can simply lift your thumb up quickly and the bolt will chamber a round. You can do this because if you have your thumb firmly on the top cartridge case, your thumb has enough friction to hold the bolt back long enough to let the gun automatically chamber the first round without having to hold back the bolt or get Garand thumb.
Am I right about this? Blamazon ( talk) 19:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
The page to which "Adjutant General John B. Shuman" was linked to did not exist, so I removed it and made it a normal part of the text back on Feb 24 of this year. Chevy217 ( talk) 19:14, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Under the section of Current Users, some of the countries have the M1 Garand as only a ceremonial weapon, such as Belgium, Greece, and Turkey, which makes sense. But then under Former Users, there are countries which still use it as a standard ceremonial weapon, such as Japan, South Korea, Philippines, and the United States, are not under Current Users, which does not make sense. Is there a reason on why there are not all under the same section or should they be moved to be correct? CloneCommanderFordo ( talk) 18:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)