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I remember the Rommel quote as being "Give me three Māori battalions, and I could rule the world", and it's referred to here as him calling the Māori Battalion the "greatest fighting force he'd ever seen". I can't find any reliable references though - a number of blogs and forum posts only. Does anyone know where these quotes come from?- gadfium 18:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The Quote has been spoken since the end of WW2. even today when people refer to NZ military they say "Give me three maori battalions and i will rule the world". Even some quotes from hitler have been spoken such as "The Aryan are the perfect race but the maori are the perfect soldier" and "If i had the Maori i will rule the world" although that one could be mistaken for Rommels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigBangHC ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
There no mention whatsoever of the Maori Battalion in the work cited as a reference for the alleged Rommel quotation (Fraser, D. (1993). Knight's Cross: A Life of Field Marshal Erwin Rommel New York: Harper Collins). Stormfront Gneisenau ( talk) 03:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 09:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I have changed the Military history checklist to not meeting the project's B class requirements for coverage. IMO the article does not adequately summarise the unit's service history. It needs to go into more specific detail about actions that the battalion fought in to achieve this. There appears to be a lot of good information to achieve this in this source: [1]. One suggestion I have is to add some subheadings such as: formation (which could include background, recruitment and training), North Africa (including separate sections for major actions), Italy, Disbandment. Currently there is a lot of list like information. To be honest I don't think this is really necessary. The Honours and Awards section could be condensed into prose with footnotes for the list of names (if they are really necessary). That is just my opinion, though. — AustralianRupert ( talk) 00:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
A few suggestions for improvement towards B class and beyond:
If you would like more detailed comments, please consider nominating this article for a Military History project peer review. This can be done by following the instructions at
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Were there any other Maori units in the ANZAC forces - either independent or attached? If not, then the photos on the IWM Collection website would likely be of the Battalion despite not being labelled as such, and could concievably be used. Skinny87 ( talk) 15:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Was the battalion's official title "28th (Maori) Battalion", or "28th Battalion"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 ( talk) 07:09, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Was the formal name of the Battalion written with a macron during the Battalion's existence or has it been added retrospectively? Nurg ( talk) 09:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Right from the beginning of the article a the "full maori" character of the battalion is exposed, but I read in New Zealand and the Pacific (Wellington, 2012, pp. 149-152) that most of the officers were Pakeha or European, and that at least 20 soldiers came from the Pacific Islands, having enrolled by pretending to be Maoris. I don't feel confidnet enough in my military history knowledge to edit the page, though. Encolpe ( talk) 13:48, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
The Duncan MacIntyre (New Zealand politician) article currently reads: "...and commanded the Māori Battalion.", but the Māori Battalion article does not support this. At http://teaohou.natlib.govt.nz/journals/teaohou/issue/Mao68TeA/c3-1.html it says "In 1945, as Commanding Officer of the New Zealand Divisional Cavalry, he was given command of the 28th Maori Battalion contingent and took it to Japan", but the the Māori Battalion article says "a 270-strong contingent from the battalion was sent to Japan under the designation of 'D' Squadron, 2nd Divisional Cavalry Battalion, under the command of Major J.S Baker". Oddly the J Force article also makes no mention of him. Odd. Can anyone clarify? Snori ( talk) 09:38, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:E 003261 E Maoris in North Africa July 1941.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on April 25, 2016. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2016-04-25. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 23:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
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Image:Nzarmy.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 05:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I remember the Rommel quote as being "Give me three Māori battalions, and I could rule the world", and it's referred to here as him calling the Māori Battalion the "greatest fighting force he'd ever seen". I can't find any reliable references though - a number of blogs and forum posts only. Does anyone know where these quotes come from?- gadfium 18:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The Quote has been spoken since the end of WW2. even today when people refer to NZ military they say "Give me three maori battalions and i will rule the world". Even some quotes from hitler have been spoken such as "The Aryan are the perfect race but the maori are the perfect soldier" and "If i had the Maori i will rule the world" although that one could be mistaken for Rommels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigBangHC ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
There no mention whatsoever of the Maori Battalion in the work cited as a reference for the alleged Rommel quotation (Fraser, D. (1993). Knight's Cross: A Life of Field Marshal Erwin Rommel New York: Harper Collins). Stormfront Gneisenau ( talk) 03:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 09:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I have changed the Military history checklist to not meeting the project's B class requirements for coverage. IMO the article does not adequately summarise the unit's service history. It needs to go into more specific detail about actions that the battalion fought in to achieve this. There appears to be a lot of good information to achieve this in this source: [1]. One suggestion I have is to add some subheadings such as: formation (which could include background, recruitment and training), North Africa (including separate sections for major actions), Italy, Disbandment. Currently there is a lot of list like information. To be honest I don't think this is really necessary. The Honours and Awards section could be condensed into prose with footnotes for the list of names (if they are really necessary). That is just my opinion, though. — AustralianRupert ( talk) 00:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
A few suggestions for improvement towards B class and beyond:
If you would like more detailed comments, please consider nominating this article for a Military History project peer review. This can be done by following the instructions at
WP:MHPR. Cheers.
AustralianRupert (
talk)
00:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Were there any other Maori units in the ANZAC forces - either independent or attached? If not, then the photos on the IWM Collection website would likely be of the Battalion despite not being labelled as such, and could concievably be used. Skinny87 ( talk) 15:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Was the battalion's official title "28th (Maori) Battalion", or "28th Battalion"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 ( talk) 07:09, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Was the formal name of the Battalion written with a macron during the Battalion's existence or has it been added retrospectively? Nurg ( talk) 09:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Right from the beginning of the article a the "full maori" character of the battalion is exposed, but I read in New Zealand and the Pacific (Wellington, 2012, pp. 149-152) that most of the officers were Pakeha or European, and that at least 20 soldiers came from the Pacific Islands, having enrolled by pretending to be Maoris. I don't feel confidnet enough in my military history knowledge to edit the page, though. Encolpe ( talk) 13:48, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
The Duncan MacIntyre (New Zealand politician) article currently reads: "...and commanded the Māori Battalion.", but the Māori Battalion article does not support this. At http://teaohou.natlib.govt.nz/journals/teaohou/issue/Mao68TeA/c3-1.html it says "In 1945, as Commanding Officer of the New Zealand Divisional Cavalry, he was given command of the 28th Maori Battalion contingent and took it to Japan", but the the Māori Battalion article says "a 270-strong contingent from the battalion was sent to Japan under the designation of 'D' Squadron, 2nd Divisional Cavalry Battalion, under the command of Major J.S Baker". Oddly the J Force article also makes no mention of him. Odd. Can anyone clarify? Snori ( talk) 09:38, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:E 003261 E Maoris in North Africa July 1941.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on April 25, 2016. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2016-04-25. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 23:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)