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Is "Dog Meat Festival" really the common name? I mean sure, "Yulin Lychee and Dog Meat Festival" is the proper name, but even the lead calls the common name "Yulin Dog Meat Festival", and, well, "Dog Meat Festival" seems so generic, like a dictionary definition. Something must give. :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 12:14, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
This lead image doesn't really belong, at least not in the infobox. It is not a picture of the festival or even a dish from the festival.
Would we have a picture of Chicago-style ribs from Chicago as the infobox image for The Great California Rib Festival? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:20, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
And where is the source that says it is "... typical..." of what is served at the festival? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Can I suggest editors read the Dog meat#China section and decide whether any of the information should be incorporated into this article prior to DYK.DrChrissy (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
The additions I reverted were plenty of images unrelated to the adjacent text. I also removed text about rabies and other content better suited to the dog meat article. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 08:52, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
User:InformativeInfoInformed: The content you are adding appears to be POV and is being reverted by others. Please discuss changes here. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 08:53, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
It's mostly not about even dogs as food. Should it be in the article? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 10:04, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
The wording of this statement: "The festival is celebrated annually in Yulin, Guangxi, China, during the summer solstice in June, by eating dog meat and lychees.[3] About 10,000 to 15,000 dogs are consumed during the 10 days of the festival.[3][4] Throughout the 10 days of festivities dogs are paraded in wooden crates and metal cages and are taken to be skinned and burned for consumption of festival attendants and local residents."...doesn't strike me as a particularly NPOV statement given that the same context can be applied to the section for Qurban/Sacrifice under the Islam category but the wording is less ascerbic. 207.251.43.98 ( talk) 19:44, 18 May 2016 (UTC)Rajimus123
Yes it's violence. They don't just eat them they torture dogs to death. Jself ( talk) 00:56, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Should it be in the article? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 20:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
I believe it should be included, it's how many people know that it even exists. Plus many other pages on Wikipedia include sections on when the subject is used in pop culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CopperCrane01 ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
An editor has recently placed a YouTube reference in the article which shows ill treatment of dogs. I know that YouTube videos are largely frowned upon as RS, but I have also used them in the past to illustrate animal behaviours. My concern here is that we don't know what links these actions against dogs towards dogs being killed and eaten in the Festival. Comments please. WARNING There are some very shocking scenes in the video. DrChrissy (talk) 17:01, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
@ White Arabian Filly: I noticed that you just reverted the recent edit giving a YouTube video. You might not have seen that I have already raised a question about this here. Perhaps you might like to contribute. DrChrissy (talk) 20:32, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
@ DrChrissy: Hi, I'm a new Wiki editor. My LinkedIn profile can be found here (Redacted) and my author bio can be found here (Redacted). I have not set-up a personal Wiki page yet. A little bit about why I'm interested in this topic: I've rescued/rehabilitated more than 20 animals since 2001 (dogs, cats, birds, etc) as a private citizen. I became involved with this movement (and found the video) after signing a petition on Change dot org do-not-proceed-with-the-yulin-dog-festival-in-2017 drafted by Jamie Schwimley. Upon viewing the video, I was horrified by the images and it shocked me into action. I sent a private message to Susan Wojcicki (3rd connection) on Linked to keep the video online despite the fact that it violates YouTube posting policy. Although I haven't received a response, the video remains on Youtube. I also got in touch with the person who posted the video, Jamie Schwimley, who also hosts the video on [1] Jamie also told me she has additional sources she can add in May, particularly an interview with an animal rights radio talk show discussing the festival. I can add the additional references, as they become available, per Wiki guidelines. Since this is my first Wiki edit, I know I probably made lots of mistakes. I wanted to post the original website change dot org but I was not allowed. That's why I included the YouTube reference instead. I should probably add a disclaimer as well, right? What is the policy on that? Is there a preferred format for the video reference? I'm grateful for any suggestions/help. Thank you! 18:52, 11 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. A.M. Miranda ( talk • contribs) 18:53, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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I came to this page after reading something online about the festival. The page echoed the claims of the online article but the claims seemed non-NPOV and said [citation needed]. I went to the talk page to see if I had viewed the pages in the midst of a wiki-war. I understand the concerns with both graphic content and YouTube as a soured, but the video with an appropriate warning would have made the page more useful and authoritative.
RE YouTube as a source: sure sometimes the material is bad, but that is also true of other sources. By its nature as a self-publishing platform, the quality on YouTube will literally span the gamut from best to worst. If someone had embedded the YouTube video on their own page, would that make it better? If so, that is silly. Rico ( talk) 16:48, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
The caption clearly says the dish in the photo is from another city and has nothing to do with the festival. It should be removed. -- 2001:16B8:3133:3D00:8DC0:6CAF:B308:961E ( talk) 17:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh my gosh! That photo is gonna give me nightmares! It's too creepy. Probably along with other people agreeing with me. Please remove it and have no picture. Cincinnati resident ( talk) 02:38, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
How about no pictures at all?
Cincinnati resident ( talk) 19:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Why don't they show a picture of the festival in action? It's rather strange to post something designed to shock American audiences. 124.169.158.113 ( talk) 03:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Apparently, at one point it was a picture of a dish served at the festival. Now it is a picture of a dead dog hanging from a hook. Uhh, fair enough, but... if there's a BBQ festival in Texas, I doubt they'd show a dead cow hanging on a hook. I don't think I need to accuse anyone of POV here, because we all know why the image is there... anyway, can we get an image that isn't as emotionally charged? Probably not, but I thought I'd ask. Mercster ( talk) 21:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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Is "Dog Meat Festival" really the common name? I mean sure, "Yulin Lychee and Dog Meat Festival" is the proper name, but even the lead calls the common name "Yulin Dog Meat Festival", and, well, "Dog Meat Festival" seems so generic, like a dictionary definition. Something must give. :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 12:14, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
This lead image doesn't really belong, at least not in the infobox. It is not a picture of the festival or even a dish from the festival.
Would we have a picture of Chicago-style ribs from Chicago as the infobox image for The Great California Rib Festival? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:20, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
And where is the source that says it is "... typical..." of what is served at the festival? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Can I suggest editors read the Dog meat#China section and decide whether any of the information should be incorporated into this article prior to DYK.DrChrissy (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
The additions I reverted were plenty of images unrelated to the adjacent text. I also removed text about rabies and other content better suited to the dog meat article. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 08:52, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
User:InformativeInfoInformed: The content you are adding appears to be POV and is being reverted by others. Please discuss changes here. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 08:53, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
It's mostly not about even dogs as food. Should it be in the article? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 10:04, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
The wording of this statement: "The festival is celebrated annually in Yulin, Guangxi, China, during the summer solstice in June, by eating dog meat and lychees.[3] About 10,000 to 15,000 dogs are consumed during the 10 days of the festival.[3][4] Throughout the 10 days of festivities dogs are paraded in wooden crates and metal cages and are taken to be skinned and burned for consumption of festival attendants and local residents."...doesn't strike me as a particularly NPOV statement given that the same context can be applied to the section for Qurban/Sacrifice under the Islam category but the wording is less ascerbic. 207.251.43.98 ( talk) 19:44, 18 May 2016 (UTC)Rajimus123
Yes it's violence. They don't just eat them they torture dogs to death. Jself ( talk) 00:56, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Should it be in the article? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 20:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
I believe it should be included, it's how many people know that it even exists. Plus many other pages on Wikipedia include sections on when the subject is used in pop culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CopperCrane01 ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
An editor has recently placed a YouTube reference in the article which shows ill treatment of dogs. I know that YouTube videos are largely frowned upon as RS, but I have also used them in the past to illustrate animal behaviours. My concern here is that we don't know what links these actions against dogs towards dogs being killed and eaten in the Festival. Comments please. WARNING There are some very shocking scenes in the video. DrChrissy (talk) 17:01, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
@ White Arabian Filly: I noticed that you just reverted the recent edit giving a YouTube video. You might not have seen that I have already raised a question about this here. Perhaps you might like to contribute. DrChrissy (talk) 20:32, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
@ DrChrissy: Hi, I'm a new Wiki editor. My LinkedIn profile can be found here (Redacted) and my author bio can be found here (Redacted). I have not set-up a personal Wiki page yet. A little bit about why I'm interested in this topic: I've rescued/rehabilitated more than 20 animals since 2001 (dogs, cats, birds, etc) as a private citizen. I became involved with this movement (and found the video) after signing a petition on Change dot org do-not-proceed-with-the-yulin-dog-festival-in-2017 drafted by Jamie Schwimley. Upon viewing the video, I was horrified by the images and it shocked me into action. I sent a private message to Susan Wojcicki (3rd connection) on Linked to keep the video online despite the fact that it violates YouTube posting policy. Although I haven't received a response, the video remains on Youtube. I also got in touch with the person who posted the video, Jamie Schwimley, who also hosts the video on [1] Jamie also told me she has additional sources she can add in May, particularly an interview with an animal rights radio talk show discussing the festival. I can add the additional references, as they become available, per Wiki guidelines. Since this is my first Wiki edit, I know I probably made lots of mistakes. I wanted to post the original website change dot org but I was not allowed. That's why I included the YouTube reference instead. I should probably add a disclaimer as well, right? What is the policy on that? Is there a preferred format for the video reference? I'm grateful for any suggestions/help. Thank you! 18:52, 11 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. A.M. Miranda ( talk • contribs) 18:53, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
non-public personal information, such as phone numbers, home addresses, workplaces or identities of pseudonymous or anonymous individuals who have not made their identity public.I've done this because you indicate you're a new editor, and you might be unaware of the occasional risk that a random passerby might misuse this info to harass you.
References
I came to this page after reading something online about the festival. The page echoed the claims of the online article but the claims seemed non-NPOV and said [citation needed]. I went to the talk page to see if I had viewed the pages in the midst of a wiki-war. I understand the concerns with both graphic content and YouTube as a soured, but the video with an appropriate warning would have made the page more useful and authoritative.
RE YouTube as a source: sure sometimes the material is bad, but that is also true of other sources. By its nature as a self-publishing platform, the quality on YouTube will literally span the gamut from best to worst. If someone had embedded the YouTube video on their own page, would that make it better? If so, that is silly. Rico ( talk) 16:48, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
The caption clearly says the dish in the photo is from another city and has nothing to do with the festival. It should be removed. -- 2001:16B8:3133:3D00:8DC0:6CAF:B308:961E ( talk) 17:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh my gosh! That photo is gonna give me nightmares! It's too creepy. Probably along with other people agreeing with me. Please remove it and have no picture. Cincinnati resident ( talk) 02:38, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
How about no pictures at all?
Cincinnati resident ( talk) 19:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Why don't they show a picture of the festival in action? It's rather strange to post something designed to shock American audiences. 124.169.158.113 ( talk) 03:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Apparently, at one point it was a picture of a dish served at the festival. Now it is a picture of a dead dog hanging from a hook. Uhh, fair enough, but... if there's a BBQ festival in Texas, I doubt they'd show a dead cow hanging on a hook. I don't think I need to accuse anyone of POV here, because we all know why the image is there... anyway, can we get an image that isn't as emotionally charged? Probably not, but I thought I'd ask. Mercster ( talk) 21:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)