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Hi there, I think the Link "Pie" links to the wrong page !?
I removed the passage "Also, unlike other Western gods, they are not easily categorised into archetypal forms." It is in direct contradiction with this passage on the page of Mambo Racine Sans Bout:
Many lwa are archetypal figures represented in many cultures. For example, Erzulie Freda is a love goddess comparable to Venus, Legba is a lwa of communication comparable to Hermes or Mercury.
Graf Bobby 21:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
In the article, the forms lwa and loa are mixed. For example, section titles use lwa and the text below says loa'. WP articles should be consistent, so one form should be chosen and used consistently throughuout the article, while other should be mentioned, like any other alternative form should be. I won't do it since I'm not sure WHICH form should I retain. The article is named "Loa" though, and it is the widely recognized form. However, I cannot be sure if the "Lwa" form is perhaps more correct. -- arny ( talk) 18:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and changed "lwa" to "loa" throughout, because that seems to be the standard naming convention used in other Wikipedia article. Plus, Googling for "loa" and "voodoo" generates 140,000 results to only 20,000 for "lwa" and "voodoo." 76.27.211.75 ( talk) 07:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
"L'wha" as an alternate spelling is now removed. There is no evidence to suggest that this isn't WP:OR. It has beenuUnsourced since 2001 by 210.84.49.108. A few recent books have been piggybacking this original research verbatim of the first line of this article since then and thus are not credibible.
Examples: The Amazing Adventures of David Walker Blackstone: Special Edition Prologue Issue (2014), copied verbatim from this article and presented as a published book!
The Esoteric Codex: Haitian Vodou (2015), copied entirely from Wikipedia.
Do not re-add unless there are significant sources pre-dating 2001. I've also added the "etymology" of loa or lwa, which comes from the French "les lois" (the laws). Savvyjack23 ( talk) 05:59, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Removed unsourced material [Loa derives from the Aramaic term Eloah which means Holy Spirit]. Interesting though. Discuss. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 04:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Moved as proposed. While not unanimous, consensus is clear. BD2412 T 05:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
– The spelling loa was common in English language texts of the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s (such as Maya Deren's Divine Horsemen [1953] or the English-language translation of Alfred Métraux's Voodoo in Haiti [1972; orig. French edition 1959]) but was already being rejected by the early 1990s, at which point lwa had become the standard spelling in English-language publications (in turn following attempts to imitate Haitian Creole spellings more closely). Lwa is for instance the spelling used in major English-language studies of Vodou such as Karen McCarthy Brown's Mama Lola: A Vodou Priestess in Brooklyn [1991], Leslie G. Desmangles' The Faces of the Gods: Vodou and Roman Catholicism in Haiti [1992], Kate Ramsey's The Spirits and the Law: Vodou and Power in Haiti [2011], or Margarite Fernandez Olmos and Lizabeth Paravisini-Gebert's Creole Religions of the Caribbean: An Introduction from Vodou and Santería to Obeah and Espiritismo [2011]. Several of these more recent texts also favour the Haitian Creole-based spelling Petwo over the older Petro. As a comparison, we title our main article on this subject Haitian Vodou - i.e. "Vodou", the spelling widely used since at least the 1990s, rather than "Voodoo", which was common in the mid-20th century. This article should follow this example and use lwa rather than loa. It is quite embarrassing for Wikipedia to keep using these very outdated spellings; we need to make things look professional. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 14:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 10:36, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
The recent move does not reflect WP:COMMONNAME. BD2412 and Midnightblueowl, both of you are not considering the fact that Louisiana Voodoo also shares the namesake for “loa” that does not always accommodate creolized spelling and as Necrothesp pointed out has over 715,000 search results in favor of! This was the primary reason why I had moved it back a few months ago. It is strange how I was not pinged to weigh in on this discussion that I had no idea was occurring. A 2-1 consensus, is a no consensus. Not sure how this passed. I will seek to gather a larger consensus on this absurdity. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 07:12, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I noticed that of the lwas listed in the List section that have their own article, the majority of these articles are one- or two-line stubs; sometimes sourced, sometimes unsourced for over a decade, but in nearly all cases probably not deserving of a standalone article. Would it be an idea to merge these stubs into a slightly more elaborate list that, if available, mentions one or two lines of information about each entry? Lennart97 ( talk) 21:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
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Hi there, I think the Link "Pie" links to the wrong page !?
I removed the passage "Also, unlike other Western gods, they are not easily categorised into archetypal forms." It is in direct contradiction with this passage on the page of Mambo Racine Sans Bout:
Many lwa are archetypal figures represented in many cultures. For example, Erzulie Freda is a love goddess comparable to Venus, Legba is a lwa of communication comparable to Hermes or Mercury.
Graf Bobby 21:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
In the article, the forms lwa and loa are mixed. For example, section titles use lwa and the text below says loa'. WP articles should be consistent, so one form should be chosen and used consistently throughuout the article, while other should be mentioned, like any other alternative form should be. I won't do it since I'm not sure WHICH form should I retain. The article is named "Loa" though, and it is the widely recognized form. However, I cannot be sure if the "Lwa" form is perhaps more correct. -- arny ( talk) 18:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and changed "lwa" to "loa" throughout, because that seems to be the standard naming convention used in other Wikipedia article. Plus, Googling for "loa" and "voodoo" generates 140,000 results to only 20,000 for "lwa" and "voodoo." 76.27.211.75 ( talk) 07:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
"L'wha" as an alternate spelling is now removed. There is no evidence to suggest that this isn't WP:OR. It has beenuUnsourced since 2001 by 210.84.49.108. A few recent books have been piggybacking this original research verbatim of the first line of this article since then and thus are not credibible.
Examples: The Amazing Adventures of David Walker Blackstone: Special Edition Prologue Issue (2014), copied verbatim from this article and presented as a published book!
The Esoteric Codex: Haitian Vodou (2015), copied entirely from Wikipedia.
Do not re-add unless there are significant sources pre-dating 2001. I've also added the "etymology" of loa or lwa, which comes from the French "les lois" (the laws). Savvyjack23 ( talk) 05:59, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Removed unsourced material [Loa derives from the Aramaic term Eloah which means Holy Spirit]. Interesting though. Discuss. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 04:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Moved as proposed. While not unanimous, consensus is clear. BD2412 T 05:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
– The spelling loa was common in English language texts of the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s (such as Maya Deren's Divine Horsemen [1953] or the English-language translation of Alfred Métraux's Voodoo in Haiti [1972; orig. French edition 1959]) but was already being rejected by the early 1990s, at which point lwa had become the standard spelling in English-language publications (in turn following attempts to imitate Haitian Creole spellings more closely). Lwa is for instance the spelling used in major English-language studies of Vodou such as Karen McCarthy Brown's Mama Lola: A Vodou Priestess in Brooklyn [1991], Leslie G. Desmangles' The Faces of the Gods: Vodou and Roman Catholicism in Haiti [1992], Kate Ramsey's The Spirits and the Law: Vodou and Power in Haiti [2011], or Margarite Fernandez Olmos and Lizabeth Paravisini-Gebert's Creole Religions of the Caribbean: An Introduction from Vodou and Santería to Obeah and Espiritismo [2011]. Several of these more recent texts also favour the Haitian Creole-based spelling Petwo over the older Petro. As a comparison, we title our main article on this subject Haitian Vodou - i.e. "Vodou", the spelling widely used since at least the 1990s, rather than "Voodoo", which was common in the mid-20th century. This article should follow this example and use lwa rather than loa. It is quite embarrassing for Wikipedia to keep using these very outdated spellings; we need to make things look professional. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 14:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste ( t, e | c, l) 10:36, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
The recent move does not reflect WP:COMMONNAME. BD2412 and Midnightblueowl, both of you are not considering the fact that Louisiana Voodoo also shares the namesake for “loa” that does not always accommodate creolized spelling and as Necrothesp pointed out has over 715,000 search results in favor of! This was the primary reason why I had moved it back a few months ago. It is strange how I was not pinged to weigh in on this discussion that I had no idea was occurring. A 2-1 consensus, is a no consensus. Not sure how this passed. I will seek to gather a larger consensus on this absurdity. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 07:12, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I noticed that of the lwas listed in the List section that have their own article, the majority of these articles are one- or two-line stubs; sometimes sourced, sometimes unsourced for over a decade, but in nearly all cases probably not deserving of a standalone article. Would it be an idea to merge these stubs into a slightly more elaborate list that, if available, mentions one or two lines of information about each entry? Lennart97 ( talk) 21:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC)