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I suggest the merger to the Ludlow Monument article back into this one, most of the text and all of the images are already duplicated here. Chris 01:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I am suggesting that the Ludlow Monument article be merged into (or back into, as seems to be the case) this article. The monument article is very short, and contains repetitions of the same images that are already in this article. If one removes all the repetitive information and images from that article, there would not be enough left to justify its continued existence. It can all be covered here. I realize that a similar suggestion was made some time back, but there was very little discussion of the matter, and then it was dropped. I think this merger is justified and logical. I would like to hear some other opinions. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 18:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
In 1927 and 1928, the monument was the location of rallies held by an entirely different union, the Industrial Workers of the World (ahhh, but you probably know about this, F.W.! ;-), who were conducting a strike that culminated in an
entirely different massacre.
There is a photo of one of these rallies (spread across pages 1 and 2) in the published article at this link, although little content about the events that transpired there... (the photographer's back was to the monument):
http://www.rebelgraphics.org/CFandI_labor_spies.pdf
The separate history of the monument is important because there were some fairly significant incidents, such as the dive-bombing of rallies that were held there by Douglass bomber aircraft belonging to the Colorado Air National Guard. These actions were intended as a tactic to disperse and intimidate the strikers.
If this information was introduced into the article about the Ludlow Massacre that occurred during the UMWA strike, it would prove confusing for a number of reasons:
The information on this history is available. One dedicated book has been published about the 1927 strike, plus there are a few chapters on the subject in several other books. A couple of other, more comprehensive histories are expected to go to press soon, or at the least become available as dissertations. I could add the details today on the dive-bombing at the Ludlow Monument during this separate strike, because i covered the material in a book that i co-wrote and edited, but i'd prefer to have access to the research of others before beginning such an undertaking. Sure, i could explain all of this with greater precision and detail, but i'm hoping that won't be necessary until i (or someone else) is ready to actually contribute this other history to the article.
In summary, i believe the merger is unnecessary and pointless. I won't fight it, but if it goes ahead, i believe that within a year or so it will make sense to undo it. OBU, Richard Myers ( talk) 10:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Merger proposal closure Further, I created a separate article (for now at least) on Ludlow Tent Colony Site and removed the merger proposal tags for the merger of this massacre article with the monument article, to close this merger proposal. Please see Talk:Ludlow Tent Colony Site for discussion about merging that with the monument article. By the way, IvoShandor and Richard Myers' comments, above, were spot on. doncram ( talk) 05:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MutantPlatypus ( talk • contribs)
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I suggest the merger to the Ludlow Monument article back into this one, most of the text and all of the images are already duplicated here. Chris 01:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I am suggesting that the Ludlow Monument article be merged into (or back into, as seems to be the case) this article. The monument article is very short, and contains repetitions of the same images that are already in this article. If one removes all the repetitive information and images from that article, there would not be enough left to justify its continued existence. It can all be covered here. I realize that a similar suggestion was made some time back, but there was very little discussion of the matter, and then it was dropped. I think this merger is justified and logical. I would like to hear some other opinions. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 18:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
In 1927 and 1928, the monument was the location of rallies held by an entirely different union, the Industrial Workers of the World (ahhh, but you probably know about this, F.W.! ;-), who were conducting a strike that culminated in an
entirely different massacre.
There is a photo of one of these rallies (spread across pages 1 and 2) in the published article at this link, although little content about the events that transpired there... (the photographer's back was to the monument):
http://www.rebelgraphics.org/CFandI_labor_spies.pdf
The separate history of the monument is important because there were some fairly significant incidents, such as the dive-bombing of rallies that were held there by Douglass bomber aircraft belonging to the Colorado Air National Guard. These actions were intended as a tactic to disperse and intimidate the strikers.
If this information was introduced into the article about the Ludlow Massacre that occurred during the UMWA strike, it would prove confusing for a number of reasons:
The information on this history is available. One dedicated book has been published about the 1927 strike, plus there are a few chapters on the subject in several other books. A couple of other, more comprehensive histories are expected to go to press soon, or at the least become available as dissertations. I could add the details today on the dive-bombing at the Ludlow Monument during this separate strike, because i covered the material in a book that i co-wrote and edited, but i'd prefer to have access to the research of others before beginning such an undertaking. Sure, i could explain all of this with greater precision and detail, but i'm hoping that won't be necessary until i (or someone else) is ready to actually contribute this other history to the article.
In summary, i believe the merger is unnecessary and pointless. I won't fight it, but if it goes ahead, i believe that within a year or so it will make sense to undo it. OBU, Richard Myers ( talk) 10:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Merger proposal closure Further, I created a separate article (for now at least) on Ludlow Tent Colony Site and removed the merger proposal tags for the merger of this massacre article with the monument article, to close this merger proposal. Please see Talk:Ludlow Tent Colony Site for discussion about merging that with the monument article. By the way, IvoShandor and Richard Myers' comments, above, were spot on. doncram ( talk) 05:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MutantPlatypus ( talk • contribs)
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