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The Lowland East Cushitic languages is a branch of the "East Cushitic languages', it is unfair that East Cushitic is redirecting towards Lowland East Cushitic languages. Why not to the Highland East cushitic languages? And the subdivisions of the Cushitic language family are East, Central, North and South. If you look into the Cushitic language family article, you will see it is a big mess and nearly unsourced. The divisions of this language family:
And about the East Cushitic languages:
I hope this shed more light. The Cushitic language family has four major subdivisions; North(beja), Central (Agaw), East(wich could be divided into Highland and Lowland) and Southern(Rift languages):
By the way in the South Cushitic languages article, the template is showing that South Cushitic is a branch of the Lowland East Cushitic languages, that is an stupendous error, as the Southern languages are a direct branch of the Cushitic languages and not a subdivision of the Lowland East wich is an subdivision of the Eastern Cushitic languages. And the article has references but are just added below and not to its coresponding statements. Here are some sources about the South Cushitic languages:
It is not a fact that the South Cushitic languages is seen as a sub branch of the Eastern branch but some see it in that way, while many see it as a subdivision of the Cushitic family. Runehelmet ( talk) 20:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
You seem much more well versed in your understanding of linguistics than me- So, could you please tell me where you think the most likely origin point for the Highland East & Lowland East Cushitic languages is and also when they all diverged from one another? Also, would you say Somalis, Afars and Sahos were at the regions of the Afar triangle and Northern Somalia by at least the 1st Century AD or 1000 BC. I've read that the dubious East Cushitic grouping has its origins in South-central Ethiopia and that "Macro-Somali" and "Saho-Afar" diverged from this group several thousand years ago. Ehret seems to say "5,500 years ago" for Saho-Afar and "3000 years ago" for Somali but he works under the assumption that Afro-Asiatic has its origins in the Horn and came to be more than 10,000 years ago (though I'm getting this from a secondary source and have yet to read his book) and I think you and I both know that it's more likely the language family came from further up North similar to the Cushitic branch itself (unless you disagree with that?). So what do you say for the origin place for the HE and LE Cushitic languages? All the sources I've looked up seem to be rather sure Somalis, Afars and Sahos were the first "East Cushites" to utterly dominate the coastline area from Djibouti to Northern Somalia, do you agree? Awale-Abdi ( talk) 22:46, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, "Oromos" can be rather diverse in their looks to be honest with you. I think to some extent this is due to the fact that they clearly assimilated other Horn ethnic groups such 'Highland East Cushitic' speakers like the Hadiya and some Sidamas historical records tying the Sidama to Sheikh Hussein and the Sidama substrate in languages like Harari which is Ethio-Semitic suggest even further that peoples like Sidamas were further East until the Oromo expansions decimated them into living chiefly where they live now), they are even as we converse now assimilating Agrobbas who as time goes by tend to be dropping their South Ethio-Semitic language for Afaan Oromo, they've even assimilated some Amharas from what I know. Many Oromos can very strongly overlap with or resemble Somalis in my experience though most of the Horn ethnic groups of Cushitic and Ethio-Semitic speaking origins look remarkably similar and overlap quite a bit.
:I never understood the claim that the Somali language is close to Oromo. I understand that they are both East Cushitic, however Somalis and the lamguage originated in Northern Somalia/Djibouti while Oromo orginated in southeast Ethiopia.
To my knowledge; no one is entirely sure where our languages came to be but I've seen some linguists suggest they began in Southwest and Central Ethiopia ( think Addis to the Stephanie wildlife sanctuary) and then I suppose the working theory would be that Somalis, Afars & Sahos broke off from there and hit the coast while the Oromo went to Southeast Ethiopia around the Juba and Shebelle riverine area where they indeed remained for some time until their later expansion, and I suppose it's believed that the other "East Cushitic" speakers remained in the general Eastern-Central-Southwest Ethiopia region (Sidamas, Hadiyas etc.) .
A lot of evidence ties Somalis, Afars and so on to the Northern Somalia and Afar triangle region for example the posed Ancient South Arabian loan words in the Northern Somali dialects/ accents and the lack of any evidence of a population change from the ancient Berbers noted roughly around 100 BC to over 300 AD and then the birthing of the Somali clans coinciding with the prominence of Islam in the region, the carried etymology of the term "Berber" and well the fact that Afars and Somalis carried on many of the old trade & practices noted in the region prior to Islam like incense gathering and salt-mining (things they actively do to this day). But yeah, Afaan Oromo is related to the Somali language, in that there is no doubt (but I can't say if it's closer to Somali than Saho and Afar are... I can only say that the Saho and Afar languages are closer to each other than they are to the Somali language, hence the Saho-Afar grouping) and the Oromo people at large too, whether assimilated or not seem to be as well but in the end my point is that all of this was seriously starting to confuse me and I wanted to know where midday stood on the origin place for our languages (I'm talking mostly just about Lowland East and Highland East and I also want to know if grouping Highland and Lowland East as "East Cushitic" is even valid). Awale-Abdi ( talk) 04:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I see... Well, thank you anyway. You've shared some interesting information nonetheless. Gratitude... Awale-Abdi ( talk) 19:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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The Lowland East Cushitic languages is a branch of the "East Cushitic languages', it is unfair that East Cushitic is redirecting towards Lowland East Cushitic languages. Why not to the Highland East cushitic languages? And the subdivisions of the Cushitic language family are East, Central, North and South. If you look into the Cushitic language family article, you will see it is a big mess and nearly unsourced. The divisions of this language family:
And about the East Cushitic languages:
I hope this shed more light. The Cushitic language family has four major subdivisions; North(beja), Central (Agaw), East(wich could be divided into Highland and Lowland) and Southern(Rift languages):
By the way in the South Cushitic languages article, the template is showing that South Cushitic is a branch of the Lowland East Cushitic languages, that is an stupendous error, as the Southern languages are a direct branch of the Cushitic languages and not a subdivision of the Lowland East wich is an subdivision of the Eastern Cushitic languages. And the article has references but are just added below and not to its coresponding statements. Here are some sources about the South Cushitic languages:
It is not a fact that the South Cushitic languages is seen as a sub branch of the Eastern branch but some see it in that way, while many see it as a subdivision of the Cushitic family. Runehelmet ( talk) 20:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
You seem much more well versed in your understanding of linguistics than me- So, could you please tell me where you think the most likely origin point for the Highland East & Lowland East Cushitic languages is and also when they all diverged from one another? Also, would you say Somalis, Afars and Sahos were at the regions of the Afar triangle and Northern Somalia by at least the 1st Century AD or 1000 BC. I've read that the dubious East Cushitic grouping has its origins in South-central Ethiopia and that "Macro-Somali" and "Saho-Afar" diverged from this group several thousand years ago. Ehret seems to say "5,500 years ago" for Saho-Afar and "3000 years ago" for Somali but he works under the assumption that Afro-Asiatic has its origins in the Horn and came to be more than 10,000 years ago (though I'm getting this from a secondary source and have yet to read his book) and I think you and I both know that it's more likely the language family came from further up North similar to the Cushitic branch itself (unless you disagree with that?). So what do you say for the origin place for the HE and LE Cushitic languages? All the sources I've looked up seem to be rather sure Somalis, Afars and Sahos were the first "East Cushites" to utterly dominate the coastline area from Djibouti to Northern Somalia, do you agree? Awale-Abdi ( talk) 22:46, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, "Oromos" can be rather diverse in their looks to be honest with you. I think to some extent this is due to the fact that they clearly assimilated other Horn ethnic groups such 'Highland East Cushitic' speakers like the Hadiya and some Sidamas historical records tying the Sidama to Sheikh Hussein and the Sidama substrate in languages like Harari which is Ethio-Semitic suggest even further that peoples like Sidamas were further East until the Oromo expansions decimated them into living chiefly where they live now), they are even as we converse now assimilating Agrobbas who as time goes by tend to be dropping their South Ethio-Semitic language for Afaan Oromo, they've even assimilated some Amharas from what I know. Many Oromos can very strongly overlap with or resemble Somalis in my experience though most of the Horn ethnic groups of Cushitic and Ethio-Semitic speaking origins look remarkably similar and overlap quite a bit.
:I never understood the claim that the Somali language is close to Oromo. I understand that they are both East Cushitic, however Somalis and the lamguage originated in Northern Somalia/Djibouti while Oromo orginated in southeast Ethiopia.
To my knowledge; no one is entirely sure where our languages came to be but I've seen some linguists suggest they began in Southwest and Central Ethiopia ( think Addis to the Stephanie wildlife sanctuary) and then I suppose the working theory would be that Somalis, Afars & Sahos broke off from there and hit the coast while the Oromo went to Southeast Ethiopia around the Juba and Shebelle riverine area where they indeed remained for some time until their later expansion, and I suppose it's believed that the other "East Cushitic" speakers remained in the general Eastern-Central-Southwest Ethiopia region (Sidamas, Hadiyas etc.) .
A lot of evidence ties Somalis, Afars and so on to the Northern Somalia and Afar triangle region for example the posed Ancient South Arabian loan words in the Northern Somali dialects/ accents and the lack of any evidence of a population change from the ancient Berbers noted roughly around 100 BC to over 300 AD and then the birthing of the Somali clans coinciding with the prominence of Islam in the region, the carried etymology of the term "Berber" and well the fact that Afars and Somalis carried on many of the old trade & practices noted in the region prior to Islam like incense gathering and salt-mining (things they actively do to this day). But yeah, Afaan Oromo is related to the Somali language, in that there is no doubt (but I can't say if it's closer to Somali than Saho and Afar are... I can only say that the Saho and Afar languages are closer to each other than they are to the Somali language, hence the Saho-Afar grouping) and the Oromo people at large too, whether assimilated or not seem to be as well but in the end my point is that all of this was seriously starting to confuse me and I wanted to know where midday stood on the origin place for our languages (I'm talking mostly just about Lowland East and Highland East and I also want to know if grouping Highland and Lowland East as "East Cushitic" is even valid). Awale-Abdi ( talk) 04:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I see... Well, thank you anyway. You've shared some interesting information nonetheless. Gratitude... Awale-Abdi ( talk) 19:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)