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I noticed that you removed reference that I inserted in the article Lousewies van der Laan. References are demanded by Wikipedia policies. Besides it has been my experience that contents without references are removed by other contributors. Please do not again remove references. Thanks. Andries 19:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
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Hi there, came in through an RFC.
Kind of a relief, cause most of the other RFCs are discussing whether to use the term "terrorist" or "Islamofascist", so consider yourselves relatively lucky :-)
Anyways, about references. I've always learned that, when in doubt, it is usually better to add things to an article rather than remove them. The same applies here. The Wikipedia:Citing sources guidelines clearly state that you should use sources whenever possible, especially when you think such information might be contested. Now I know it will hardly be contested (perhaps that the kids name is Helix - I always thought that name was silly), but again, why remove information when it could be useful even 2% of the time. Thats a good enough score IMHO.
Then about the relevance. Family members of famous people have always also attracted some attention. Although I agree with you that we shouldnt want to dig too deep into their life, soe degree of primary information certainly seems warranted; age, studies, job, that kind of thing. In fact you'd have a hard time stamping these things out of the wiki, for example, the artivle of (Random article) Sacha Baron Cohen mentions his father has a shop in Piccadilly. Should that be removed? If you ask me, no.
Only remove stuff when it clearly violates policy (NPOV). Otherwise, just leave it in.
Cheers, The Minist e r of War (Peace) 07:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
To maintain transparency, Lousewies van der Laan is Andries cousin, by his own admission [1] [2] SSS108 talk- email 14:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Now the references for the name of her husband has been removed without any explanation on the talk page. Removing references has been done many times on this article without ANY support from wikipedia policies and guidelines. If you think that removing references is fine then I think you deserve to be banned from Wikipedia for disruption. I am losing my patience with it. Please restore references. Thanks. Andries 18:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
The section political life now mentions her marriage and family life. This strikes me as wrong. I noticed that the same structure has been used for several Dutch politicians, but I think the Tony Blair structure is more natural and logical i.e. a separate section for personal background. Andries 19:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
The article mentions that Ms van der Laan and her husband "got" a son. Did the son come about in the usual way? Was the kid adopted (or possibly kidnapped)? "Got a son" is an awkward and confusing construction in English, and I'd like to fix it. (disclaimer: this is not to disparage the language skills of any Dutch person who can write in English). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dukeofomnium ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
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I noticed that you removed reference that I inserted in the article Lousewies van der Laan. References are demanded by Wikipedia policies. Besides it has been my experience that contents without references are removed by other contributors. Please do not again remove references. Thanks. Andries 19:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
References
Hi there, came in through an RFC.
Kind of a relief, cause most of the other RFCs are discussing whether to use the term "terrorist" or "Islamofascist", so consider yourselves relatively lucky :-)
Anyways, about references. I've always learned that, when in doubt, it is usually better to add things to an article rather than remove them. The same applies here. The Wikipedia:Citing sources guidelines clearly state that you should use sources whenever possible, especially when you think such information might be contested. Now I know it will hardly be contested (perhaps that the kids name is Helix - I always thought that name was silly), but again, why remove information when it could be useful even 2% of the time. Thats a good enough score IMHO.
Then about the relevance. Family members of famous people have always also attracted some attention. Although I agree with you that we shouldnt want to dig too deep into their life, soe degree of primary information certainly seems warranted; age, studies, job, that kind of thing. In fact you'd have a hard time stamping these things out of the wiki, for example, the artivle of (Random article) Sacha Baron Cohen mentions his father has a shop in Piccadilly. Should that be removed? If you ask me, no.
Only remove stuff when it clearly violates policy (NPOV). Otherwise, just leave it in.
Cheers, The Minist e r of War (Peace) 07:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
To maintain transparency, Lousewies van der Laan is Andries cousin, by his own admission [1] [2] SSS108 talk- email 14:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Now the references for the name of her husband has been removed without any explanation on the talk page. Removing references has been done many times on this article without ANY support from wikipedia policies and guidelines. If you think that removing references is fine then I think you deserve to be banned from Wikipedia for disruption. I am losing my patience with it. Please restore references. Thanks. Andries 18:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
The section political life now mentions her marriage and family life. This strikes me as wrong. I noticed that the same structure has been used for several Dutch politicians, but I think the Tony Blair structure is more natural and logical i.e. a separate section for personal background. Andries 19:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
The article mentions that Ms van der Laan and her husband "got" a son. Did the son come about in the usual way? Was the kid adopted (or possibly kidnapped)? "Got a son" is an awkward and confusing construction in English, and I'd like to fix it. (disclaimer: this is not to disparage the language skills of any Dutch person who can write in English). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dukeofomnium ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
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