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Why is Louis B. Mayer tagged as Canadian? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.220.24.77 ( talk) 20:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't have much interest in Louis B. Mayer other than his thoroughbred racing stable. However, as the article stands it needs removol of POV, unfounded opinions and statements. If no one bothers to fix it up, in a few days/weeks I'll give it a try. - Ted Wilkes 20:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
There's nothing on the page about the massive coverup around the Patricia Douglas rape and coverup. The documentary Girl 27 recently covered it.
12.180.65.2 06:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think the information about the coverup was removed again, should be added back. TailCallRecursion 18:24, 20 October 2017 (CST)
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 06:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
"This made Mayer the first executive in America to earn a million-dollar salary." This is patently false. Walter Chrysler was paid a million dollars a year to run Willys-Overland in 1919. I have deleted this sentence. Altgeld ( talk) 14:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
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LB, as much as has been printed over the years did not create the star system. Zukor preceded him in the motion pictures with the Famous Players franchise beginning in 1912, though he also did not create what had already become the star system in the Broadway theatrical world. Charles Frohman is the true creator of the star system of which Mayer and Zukor mimicked in their respective companies. The star system put nearly every star under one banner with complete control over them. Mayer for example would groom talent for a period of time in supporting roles in films before launching them into a starring role in a prominent film, as Frohman did in a 'prominent play'. In fact many of Frohman's players would later work for Zukor and Mayer and the other various Hollywood studios. Famous Players was named as such because Zukor tried to lure every Broadway star of note over to his company and nearly succeeded. Mayer in later years refined these tactics that Frohman had pioneered. Koplimek ( talk) 21:53, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
not only that but his family probably stayed there. something about Canada should be mentioned in the introduction. Grmike ( talk) 16:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)grmike
1. Hollywoodland: No character listed as him for that film and he was dead by the time of the events the movie is showing
2. Last Tycoon: Not sure any specific mogul of that era is intended in this film —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.210.123.148 ( talk) 07:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Lead to the article needs to make a little more sense. I understand the sentiment, but the always needs to change.LeValley 01:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
User:86.46.119.43 and I are in disagreement with his recent edit. I have no objections to mentioning Taylor's opinion of Mayer; it provides a valuable counterpoint to the already extant more positive views. I do disagree, however, with highlighting her status at MGM in two sentences with mention of when she joined and her last film. In other words, there is no reason to treat her opinion any differently than we do Hepburn's, or Robert Taylor's, or Caron's. Now, if the article were filled out so that other mentioned actors were treated in the same way as Elizabeth Taylor's (not necessarily in the exact same way, but by citing some other details of their MGM careers), that'd be different, but as it stands the paragraph violates WP:UNDUE and, given her death which no doubt prompted this edit, WP:RECENT. Ylee ( talk) 20:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
The article " Dark side of Oz: The exploitation of Judy Garland" at express.co.uk mentions Louis B. Mayer as an exploiter of children, notably legends like Judy Garland. It suggests the studio under his direction, exploited child stars by overworking them, spying on them, forcing their life-style, and even drugging them to keep his movie-making machinery working. The current revision of the article does not mention this view of the subject, and largely praises Mayer's work with child stars (lead even says "Mayer was skilled at developing star actors, including child actors, then placing them in consistently slick productions...", which sounds glowingly positive). If the accusations of this article have merit, then the current article does not present a neutral point of view of the subject, tending to favor a "purely business"-orientated view of his legacy, and not focus on other human factors. Jason Quinn ( talk) 21:36, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Not sure how reliable it is, but this article in the National Post repeats Garland's allegation that Mayer sexually assaulted her when she was a teenager:
'I'll break you': Judy Garland faced her own Harvey Weinstein in MGM head Louis B. Mayer 188.141.25.160 ( talk) 18:59, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Louis B. Mayer's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Eyman":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:50, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Done-- Light show ( talk) 02:53, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
It seems as if anything clearly detrimental to Mayer's image has been removed from the article, repeatedly. This includes rape allegations and child fondling, such as with Judy Garland. Is is possible to make this a protected article, so that whatever needs to be added back in isn't removed once again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.80.163.105 ( talk) 07:27, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Totally. "Being a father figure". Serously? This is a hagiography that is constantly being edited to remove any trace of negativity. NBeddoe ( talk) 22:20, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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Supporting the "Republican Party" in the late 1920s and into the 1930s is, in itself, insufficient evidence to support the assertion that he was "conservative" - the two are not synonymous, especially not at this period in history.
There is long documentation for the "party switch" that begins to take root as early as 1912, gains some traction in 1932, 1964, '68, and '72 before it takes it modern entrenchment in 1980. With such a long, complex history of the parties' respective "bases", inferring his socio-economic views from his party support is speculative.
If there are quotes from either of the cited sources that can lend support to this assertion, they should be mentioned.
Without more documentation, I'd suggest simply stating he was "an active supporter of the Republican Party", which is factual, without speculating further. OughtThoughts ( talk) 02:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
I do not know the criteria for whether or not to add this, perhaps others can comment, but in the book Oscar Wars, pp.40-41, Michael Schulman describes incidents shortly after the very first Academy Awards, involving the actress Anita Page seeing her career decline after rebuffing advances by Mayer. In the notes section, Schulman cites two books by Scott Eyman as the sources - I think they are quoting Anita Page. I do not know if this is sufficient for warranting inclusion in the article but raise the question here. Michael Miller MD ( talk) 00:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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Why is Louis B. Mayer tagged as Canadian? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.220.24.77 ( talk) 20:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't have much interest in Louis B. Mayer other than his thoroughbred racing stable. However, as the article stands it needs removol of POV, unfounded opinions and statements. If no one bothers to fix it up, in a few days/weeks I'll give it a try. - Ted Wilkes 20:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
There's nothing on the page about the massive coverup around the Patricia Douglas rape and coverup. The documentary Girl 27 recently covered it.
12.180.65.2 06:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think the information about the coverup was removed again, should be added back. TailCallRecursion 18:24, 20 October 2017 (CST)
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 06:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
"This made Mayer the first executive in America to earn a million-dollar salary." This is patently false. Walter Chrysler was paid a million dollars a year to run Willys-Overland in 1919. I have deleted this sentence. Altgeld ( talk) 14:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
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LB, as much as has been printed over the years did not create the star system. Zukor preceded him in the motion pictures with the Famous Players franchise beginning in 1912, though he also did not create what had already become the star system in the Broadway theatrical world. Charles Frohman is the true creator of the star system of which Mayer and Zukor mimicked in their respective companies. The star system put nearly every star under one banner with complete control over them. Mayer for example would groom talent for a period of time in supporting roles in films before launching them into a starring role in a prominent film, as Frohman did in a 'prominent play'. In fact many of Frohman's players would later work for Zukor and Mayer and the other various Hollywood studios. Famous Players was named as such because Zukor tried to lure every Broadway star of note over to his company and nearly succeeded. Mayer in later years refined these tactics that Frohman had pioneered. Koplimek ( talk) 21:53, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
not only that but his family probably stayed there. something about Canada should be mentioned in the introduction. Grmike ( talk) 16:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)grmike
1. Hollywoodland: No character listed as him for that film and he was dead by the time of the events the movie is showing
2. Last Tycoon: Not sure any specific mogul of that era is intended in this film —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.210.123.148 ( talk) 07:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Lead to the article needs to make a little more sense. I understand the sentiment, but the always needs to change.LeValley 01:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
User:86.46.119.43 and I are in disagreement with his recent edit. I have no objections to mentioning Taylor's opinion of Mayer; it provides a valuable counterpoint to the already extant more positive views. I do disagree, however, with highlighting her status at MGM in two sentences with mention of when she joined and her last film. In other words, there is no reason to treat her opinion any differently than we do Hepburn's, or Robert Taylor's, or Caron's. Now, if the article were filled out so that other mentioned actors were treated in the same way as Elizabeth Taylor's (not necessarily in the exact same way, but by citing some other details of their MGM careers), that'd be different, but as it stands the paragraph violates WP:UNDUE and, given her death which no doubt prompted this edit, WP:RECENT. Ylee ( talk) 20:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
The article " Dark side of Oz: The exploitation of Judy Garland" at express.co.uk mentions Louis B. Mayer as an exploiter of children, notably legends like Judy Garland. It suggests the studio under his direction, exploited child stars by overworking them, spying on them, forcing their life-style, and even drugging them to keep his movie-making machinery working. The current revision of the article does not mention this view of the subject, and largely praises Mayer's work with child stars (lead even says "Mayer was skilled at developing star actors, including child actors, then placing them in consistently slick productions...", which sounds glowingly positive). If the accusations of this article have merit, then the current article does not present a neutral point of view of the subject, tending to favor a "purely business"-orientated view of his legacy, and not focus on other human factors. Jason Quinn ( talk) 21:36, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Not sure how reliable it is, but this article in the National Post repeats Garland's allegation that Mayer sexually assaulted her when she was a teenager:
'I'll break you': Judy Garland faced her own Harvey Weinstein in MGM head Louis B. Mayer 188.141.25.160 ( talk) 18:59, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Louis B. Mayer's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Eyman":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:50, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Done-- Light show ( talk) 02:53, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
It seems as if anything clearly detrimental to Mayer's image has been removed from the article, repeatedly. This includes rape allegations and child fondling, such as with Judy Garland. Is is possible to make this a protected article, so that whatever needs to be added back in isn't removed once again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.80.163.105 ( talk) 07:27, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Totally. "Being a father figure". Serously? This is a hagiography that is constantly being edited to remove any trace of negativity. NBeddoe ( talk) 22:20, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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Supporting the "Republican Party" in the late 1920s and into the 1930s is, in itself, insufficient evidence to support the assertion that he was "conservative" - the two are not synonymous, especially not at this period in history.
There is long documentation for the "party switch" that begins to take root as early as 1912, gains some traction in 1932, 1964, '68, and '72 before it takes it modern entrenchment in 1980. With such a long, complex history of the parties' respective "bases", inferring his socio-economic views from his party support is speculative.
If there are quotes from either of the cited sources that can lend support to this assertion, they should be mentioned.
Without more documentation, I'd suggest simply stating he was "an active supporter of the Republican Party", which is factual, without speculating further. OughtThoughts ( talk) 02:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
I do not know the criteria for whether or not to add this, perhaps others can comment, but in the book Oscar Wars, pp.40-41, Michael Schulman describes incidents shortly after the very first Academy Awards, involving the actress Anita Page seeing her career decline after rebuffing advances by Mayer. In the notes section, Schulman cites two books by Scott Eyman as the sources - I think they are quoting Anita Page. I do not know if this is sufficient for warranting inclusion in the article but raise the question here. Michael Miller MD ( talk) 00:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)