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I'm going to re-translate the page from Spanish, as it was originally done by someone whose strongest language was not English: it would take more effort to copy edit the page than it would to re-translate it. Prof. Squirrel ( talk) 01:40, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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The article has a section called racial purification. That isn't what Hispanic Eugenics was about. The sort of purification mentioned as about spiritual and ideological purity as there was recognition that mixing dating back to period before the Reconquista made this impossible. It really needs to be revised in that context. -- LauraHale ( talk) 08:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:52, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
This would make the translated title more into line with the literal translation. It is also factually inaccurate as it stands. The children were not "lost" but were taken over the objections of their mothers as a result of Hispanic eugenics policies that said they if they remained with their mothers, they would become opponents of the regime. The children were kidnapped, and put up for adoption. -- LauraHale ( talk) 08:30, 13 April 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash ( talk) 04:43, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I've removed this edit from the lead, as the pretty broad and serious claim isn't sufficiently supported by the submitted sources.
This type of coverage speaks rather for a conspiracy theory.
Til today only one "stolen baby" case has gone to court. The accused doctor was acquitted because of statute of limitations (though not found innocent) and there was no mention of Opus Dei, see:
El Confidencial 2018,
The Guardian, 2018,
Los Angeles Times, 2018.
More interestingly, shortly after this court verdict, the adopted woman who had filed the lawsuit not only found her true biological family via DNA analysis, but also had to realize that her mother had given her up voluntarily. Therefore, the state prosecutor considers her no longer a "stolen baby", see:
El Confidencial, 2019,
The Guardian, 2019.
Following this recent twist, some editors in Spain now question the previously claimed extent of the scandal and the claimed organized plot at all, for example:
Psicosis colectiva: los bebés robados del franquismo... que nadie puede encontrar. --
Túrelio (
talk) 21:37, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Another recent publication by Maite Rico in the liberal es:Vozpópuli in Spain even speaks of fraud wrt the "lost-children scandal": La estafa de los bebés robados. -- Túrelio ( talk) 19:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
This appears from the sources cited to not have been a prison as such but rather a mother and baby home similar to the ones that have attracted so much controversy in Ireland in recent years. -- Eldomtom2 ( talk) 23:32, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
The page currently presents a conspiracy theory as being fact, falsely citing as proof a BBC article that merely cited the allegations without providing any evidence. The BBC article was a promotional article for a BBC TV episode in 2011. The BBC article also falsely claimed that infant's graves were dug up and shown to contain no infant bones. Evidence contradicting the allegations has since been published here: El País (2018). The entire perspective of the article needs to be changed from one presenting allegations as facts to one that cites the allegations and also the counter-evidence. Jdkag ( talk) 14:01, 1 January 2023 (UTC)jdkag
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I'm going to re-translate the page from Spanish, as it was originally done by someone whose strongest language was not English: it would take more effort to copy edit the page than it would to re-translate it. Prof. Squirrel ( talk) 01:40, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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The article has a section called racial purification. That isn't what Hispanic Eugenics was about. The sort of purification mentioned as about spiritual and ideological purity as there was recognition that mixing dating back to period before the Reconquista made this impossible. It really needs to be revised in that context. -- LauraHale ( talk) 08:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:52, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
This would make the translated title more into line with the literal translation. It is also factually inaccurate as it stands. The children were not "lost" but were taken over the objections of their mothers as a result of Hispanic eugenics policies that said they if they remained with their mothers, they would become opponents of the regime. The children were kidnapped, and put up for adoption. -- LauraHale ( talk) 08:30, 13 April 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash ( talk) 04:43, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I've removed this edit from the lead, as the pretty broad and serious claim isn't sufficiently supported by the submitted sources.
This type of coverage speaks rather for a conspiracy theory.
Til today only one "stolen baby" case has gone to court. The accused doctor was acquitted because of statute of limitations (though not found innocent) and there was no mention of Opus Dei, see:
El Confidencial 2018,
The Guardian, 2018,
Los Angeles Times, 2018.
More interestingly, shortly after this court verdict, the adopted woman who had filed the lawsuit not only found her true biological family via DNA analysis, but also had to realize that her mother had given her up voluntarily. Therefore, the state prosecutor considers her no longer a "stolen baby", see:
El Confidencial, 2019,
The Guardian, 2019.
Following this recent twist, some editors in Spain now question the previously claimed extent of the scandal and the claimed organized plot at all, for example:
Psicosis colectiva: los bebés robados del franquismo... que nadie puede encontrar. --
Túrelio (
talk) 21:37, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Another recent publication by Maite Rico in the liberal es:Vozpópuli in Spain even speaks of fraud wrt the "lost-children scandal": La estafa de los bebés robados. -- Túrelio ( talk) 19:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
This appears from the sources cited to not have been a prison as such but rather a mother and baby home similar to the ones that have attracted so much controversy in Ireland in recent years. -- Eldomtom2 ( talk) 23:32, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
The page currently presents a conspiracy theory as being fact, falsely citing as proof a BBC article that merely cited the allegations without providing any evidence. The BBC article was a promotional article for a BBC TV episode in 2011. The BBC article also falsely claimed that infant's graves were dug up and shown to contain no infant bones. Evidence contradicting the allegations has since been published here: El País (2018). The entire perspective of the article needs to be changed from one presenting allegations as facts to one that cites the allegations and also the counter-evidence. Jdkag ( talk) 14:01, 1 January 2023 (UTC)jdkag