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cur) (last) 01:35, 18 March 2006 Dieter Simon m (Reverted edits by 82.40.188.233 (talk) to last version by 203.152.122.109)
Have reverted edits by 82.40.188.233 to the last version by 203.152.122.109, as that para looked terribly incomplete. Can someone in the know check the data 82.40.188.233 included? If all OK please edit to what it should read. Couldn't leave it like that, as it looked wrong. Dieter Simon 01:45, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted this section, at least for the time being, as it looks to me very much like some kind of vandalism. This broad statement, that Islam is the largest religion in the town just cannot be correct, as the number of Christians, practising or non-practising, as well as those who come from Christian background, together with other-religious members of the Croydon population, must still be much higher than the number of Muslims in the borough. It is true, Muslims do attend religious services frequently and consistently, but you really have to support these statements with evidence and substantiate the actual number and percentage of the population attending services within each religion. Bald statements without these figures to support them will not do, I am afraid. Sorry. Dieter Simon 00:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Facts are always valuable, such as the number of mosques and their attendances, but they need numbers of actual people practising which then need to be compared with the actual numbers of people of other religions. Dieter Simon 00:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Is someone making a distinction here between one part of Croydon and another? Where would you expect Croydon's main town centre to be? In Bromley? People who live in Thornton Heath live in Croydon, so do people in Selsdon, Sanderstead, Addiscombe and Purley, as well as many other former "villages". I used to live in Purley and never was there any doubt in all my many years there that I was living in Croydon. Dieter Simon 23:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, whichever way we do it, I think, we need to make sure that people aren't going to be associated - wrongly - with the inner or outer parts of Croydon. It seems, that some of the more historical personages seem to be linked with the inner parts, which is probably quite natural, the town being much smaller in their days. Cicely Mary Barker, Peggy Ashcroft, D. H. Lawrence and Alfred Russell Wallace are more of the inner areas, although there again Samuel Coleridge Taylor lived in Selhurst, Will Hay in Norbury, etc. I think, there is no harm in putting all well-known people into one list with annotations - where we know them - such as inner or outer districts into one list. I don't thiink we should lose people such as Ronnie Corbett only because they happened to live in Shirley only because it has its own article. In the long analysis all the outer districts belong to Croydon, even Purley, why not annotate the people with that info? Wherever we would put the list, it would be quite impressive with the added information. Dieter Simon 00:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous user keeps vandalising the council election result section, the names of the elected members, and the name of the mayor in this article. If this continues, the user's IP will have to be softblocked. Dieter Simon 23:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
That is quite annoying, it took some time to make that, so can whoever is doing it, go off and express their rage on a strees ball, instead of this article, please! Pafcool2 18:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Party | councillors |
---|---|
43 | |
27 | |
1 | |
0 |
As you can see, I've changed the writing which said the name of the party, to the logos of the parties, since some of the writing is hard to see. There are still links to the respective parties, on the numbers, which I hope will be clear enough. I have also put the Liberal Democrats on the table with 0 number of councillors, as this is seen as a major party, and is important to note that there is no longer a Lib Dem councillor. Pafcool2 18:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
As you can see, I have changed it once again to the non-glitzy version. Although the other one can still be found on Croydon local elections . Pafcool2 13:41, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Party | councillors |
---|---|
Conservative Party | 43 |
Labour Party | 27 |
British National Party | 1 |
Liberal Democrats | 0 |
HELP us at Wikiproject Schools, and see Template:Schools in Croydon (for correct names), to create more articles on the Primary schools in Croydon. For correct layout see either Park Hill Junior School (with picture) or South Norwood Primary School (without picture). Thank You. Pafcool2 12:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with you now, after the GA Review did'nt materilise I noticed that the list is quite innapropiate and is not needed at all, so I've moved it to a new article at Schools in Croydon, so all of the schools can be on just one page. Pafcool2 15:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I've taken on this article for review under the Good Article criteria, as nominated on the Good Article candidates page. I've been categorizing the article and making substantial improvments for a long time and belive that it's up to the GA standard. If you have any questions then feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Pafcool2 16:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, very much for your comments on the article, this will really help me get along to addresing the major issues of the article. I've just finished puting in full references, as you suggested, and yesterday I had a major overhaul of the article addresing most of the lists and changing them into prose or into a different article. Plus i've cut down the see also and external links (which can now be seen on the Croydon page) sections which I agree were to long and contained some unencyclopedic links.
Image:Sitelogo.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot 07:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Some of the links to London Borough of Croydon are inadequate, some links don't go to the correct pages and some language wikipedia's don't even have all of the language distinction links, for example:
* nl:Croydon (district)
Is the correct link for the Deutch (Netherlands) language, although some wiki's have
* nl:Croydon
Which links to the town of Croydon, this issue needs to be addressed. I've already done a few, but don't have the time or patience to carry on. Plus i've added a new article for the borough at et:Croydon, a new language link that i've added plus i have formalised the article for the french entry at fr:Croydon.
I wish to pay tribute to the sterling work Pafcool2 has contributed to the Croydon articles. Well done. Dieter Simon 23:24, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that, praises such as this really make working on Wikipedia the more worth while. And thanks for your hard work on creating and expanding the fantastic Croydon Airport page, which has really helped me on the maiun borough article.
Thanks,
Pafcool2 19:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 000m2, use 000 m2, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 000 m2.
[?]You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, APR t 12:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
As you may have seen, there is a template for the climate of Croydon and Gatwick:
Climate of Croydon and Gatwick | ||||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year | |
24-hour average temperature ° C (° F) |
3.8 (38.8) |
4.0 (39.2) |
5.8 (42.4) |
7.9 (46.2) |
11.3 (52.3) |
14.4 (57.9) |
16.5 (61.7) |
16.1 (61.0) |
13.8 (56.8) |
10.8 (51.4) |
6.6 (43.9) |
4.7 (40.5) |
9.6 (49.3) | |
Rainfall mm ( inches) |
77.7 (3.1) |
51.1 (2.0) |
60.2 (2.4) |
54.1 (2.1) |
55.3 (2.2) |
56.6 (2.2) |
44.8 (1.8) |
55.6 (2.2) |
67.7 (2.7) |
73.2 (2.9) |
77.6 (3.1) |
78.9 (3.1) |
752.1 (29.6) | |
Atmospheric pressure mbars ( inches) |
1007.0 (29.74) |
1008.5 (29.78) |
1006.6 (29.72) |
1008.8 (29.79) |
1007.4 (29.75) |
1009.8 (29.82) |
1010.2 (29.83) |
1009.9 (29.82) |
1010.3 (29.83) |
1008.6 (29.78) |
1009.4 (29.81) |
1008.4 (29.78) |
1008.7 (29.79) | |
Source:
WorldClimate (
Temperature data)
(Rainfall data)
(Pressure data) Temperature and rainfall: 1961–1990 averages. Pressure averages: 1971–1988 averages. Derived from the Global Historical Climatology Network (version 1). |
but I am going to change it to this in accordance with Wikipedia:WikiProject Climate soon. Pafcool2 17:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ Croydon and Gatwick weatherbox}}
Good idea. But because of Croydon as a whole is closer to the weather base at Gatwick than the London based one at Greenwich, I think that it's more appropiate to have one for seperate articles as this may vary. The London Borough of Brent climate wouldn't be the same as Croydon or Gatwick, West London will vary from East so maybe is better to yet indivical articles have climate charts if they need one. Pafcool2 16:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Soory for that late reply. No, I belive that the ones for Inner London are done from Greenwich. Pafcool2 ( talk) 17:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I note that pafcool has recently reverted image size changes made by Reagan. I have no particular view on this, but larger images will certainly dominate 840 px width screens (less of them, these days, but a lot of smaller screens in - say - libraries and schools); there must be some compromise that will work on 840, 1040 and 1200 screens? Kbthompson 14:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I know that some screens may have there pages layed out in a different way, and respect that. But again, unless it is made a rule in the MOS on wikipedia, nothing needs to happen. I'm sorry if you have an older computer, but that's not my issue. Maybe if you use internet explorer instead of the actually companies internet program (i.e. AOL), that's what happened to me, so I changed and my sizes have been perfect since. Pafcool2 16:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is too long and two repetitive. I think I counted three separate references to Taberner House being compared to the Pirelli tower.
Also some of the paragraphs are way too long. I've split one of them up, but several of the others need attention. -- rossb 13:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it's about time we archive this talk page again. After the GA review which is kind of...well...big. I would do it but just to make sure someone else should. Also add to the new archive box i've added to the first section. Pafcool2 ( talk) 19:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 |
cur) (last) 01:35, 18 March 2006 Dieter Simon m (Reverted edits by 82.40.188.233 (talk) to last version by 203.152.122.109)
Have reverted edits by 82.40.188.233 to the last version by 203.152.122.109, as that para looked terribly incomplete. Can someone in the know check the data 82.40.188.233 included? If all OK please edit to what it should read. Couldn't leave it like that, as it looked wrong. Dieter Simon 01:45, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted this section, at least for the time being, as it looks to me very much like some kind of vandalism. This broad statement, that Islam is the largest religion in the town just cannot be correct, as the number of Christians, practising or non-practising, as well as those who come from Christian background, together with other-religious members of the Croydon population, must still be much higher than the number of Muslims in the borough. It is true, Muslims do attend religious services frequently and consistently, but you really have to support these statements with evidence and substantiate the actual number and percentage of the population attending services within each religion. Bald statements without these figures to support them will not do, I am afraid. Sorry. Dieter Simon 00:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Facts are always valuable, such as the number of mosques and their attendances, but they need numbers of actual people practising which then need to be compared with the actual numbers of people of other religions. Dieter Simon 00:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Is someone making a distinction here between one part of Croydon and another? Where would you expect Croydon's main town centre to be? In Bromley? People who live in Thornton Heath live in Croydon, so do people in Selsdon, Sanderstead, Addiscombe and Purley, as well as many other former "villages". I used to live in Purley and never was there any doubt in all my many years there that I was living in Croydon. Dieter Simon 23:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, whichever way we do it, I think, we need to make sure that people aren't going to be associated - wrongly - with the inner or outer parts of Croydon. It seems, that some of the more historical personages seem to be linked with the inner parts, which is probably quite natural, the town being much smaller in their days. Cicely Mary Barker, Peggy Ashcroft, D. H. Lawrence and Alfred Russell Wallace are more of the inner areas, although there again Samuel Coleridge Taylor lived in Selhurst, Will Hay in Norbury, etc. I think, there is no harm in putting all well-known people into one list with annotations - where we know them - such as inner or outer districts into one list. I don't thiink we should lose people such as Ronnie Corbett only because they happened to live in Shirley only because it has its own article. In the long analysis all the outer districts belong to Croydon, even Purley, why not annotate the people with that info? Wherever we would put the list, it would be quite impressive with the added information. Dieter Simon 00:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous user keeps vandalising the council election result section, the names of the elected members, and the name of the mayor in this article. If this continues, the user's IP will have to be softblocked. Dieter Simon 23:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
That is quite annoying, it took some time to make that, so can whoever is doing it, go off and express their rage on a strees ball, instead of this article, please! Pafcool2 18:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Party | councillors |
---|---|
43 | |
27 | |
1 | |
0 |
As you can see, I've changed the writing which said the name of the party, to the logos of the parties, since some of the writing is hard to see. There are still links to the respective parties, on the numbers, which I hope will be clear enough. I have also put the Liberal Democrats on the table with 0 number of councillors, as this is seen as a major party, and is important to note that there is no longer a Lib Dem councillor. Pafcool2 18:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
As you can see, I have changed it once again to the non-glitzy version. Although the other one can still be found on Croydon local elections . Pafcool2 13:41, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Party | councillors |
---|---|
Conservative Party | 43 |
Labour Party | 27 |
British National Party | 1 |
Liberal Democrats | 0 |
HELP us at Wikiproject Schools, and see Template:Schools in Croydon (for correct names), to create more articles on the Primary schools in Croydon. For correct layout see either Park Hill Junior School (with picture) or South Norwood Primary School (without picture). Thank You. Pafcool2 12:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with you now, after the GA Review did'nt materilise I noticed that the list is quite innapropiate and is not needed at all, so I've moved it to a new article at Schools in Croydon, so all of the schools can be on just one page. Pafcool2 15:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I've taken on this article for review under the Good Article criteria, as nominated on the Good Article candidates page. I've been categorizing the article and making substantial improvments for a long time and belive that it's up to the GA standard. If you have any questions then feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Pafcool2 16:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, very much for your comments on the article, this will really help me get along to addresing the major issues of the article. I've just finished puting in full references, as you suggested, and yesterday I had a major overhaul of the article addresing most of the lists and changing them into prose or into a different article. Plus i've cut down the see also and external links (which can now be seen on the Croydon page) sections which I agree were to long and contained some unencyclopedic links.
Image:Sitelogo.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 07:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Some of the links to London Borough of Croydon are inadequate, some links don't go to the correct pages and some language wikipedia's don't even have all of the language distinction links, for example:
* nl:Croydon (district)
Is the correct link for the Deutch (Netherlands) language, although some wiki's have
* nl:Croydon
Which links to the town of Croydon, this issue needs to be addressed. I've already done a few, but don't have the time or patience to carry on. Plus i've added a new article for the borough at et:Croydon, a new language link that i've added plus i have formalised the article for the french entry at fr:Croydon.
I wish to pay tribute to the sterling work Pafcool2 has contributed to the Croydon articles. Well done. Dieter Simon 23:24, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that, praises such as this really make working on Wikipedia the more worth while. And thanks for your hard work on creating and expanding the fantastic Croydon Airport page, which has really helped me on the maiun borough article.
Thanks,
Pafcool2 19:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 000m2, use 000 m2, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 000 m2.
[?]You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, APR t 12:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
As you may have seen, there is a template for the climate of Croydon and Gatwick:
Climate of Croydon and Gatwick | ||||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year | |
24-hour average temperature ° C (° F) |
3.8 (38.8) |
4.0 (39.2) |
5.8 (42.4) |
7.9 (46.2) |
11.3 (52.3) |
14.4 (57.9) |
16.5 (61.7) |
16.1 (61.0) |
13.8 (56.8) |
10.8 (51.4) |
6.6 (43.9) |
4.7 (40.5) |
9.6 (49.3) | |
Rainfall mm ( inches) |
77.7 (3.1) |
51.1 (2.0) |
60.2 (2.4) |
54.1 (2.1) |
55.3 (2.2) |
56.6 (2.2) |
44.8 (1.8) |
55.6 (2.2) |
67.7 (2.7) |
73.2 (2.9) |
77.6 (3.1) |
78.9 (3.1) |
752.1 (29.6) | |
Atmospheric pressure mbars ( inches) |
1007.0 (29.74) |
1008.5 (29.78) |
1006.6 (29.72) |
1008.8 (29.79) |
1007.4 (29.75) |
1009.8 (29.82) |
1010.2 (29.83) |
1009.9 (29.82) |
1010.3 (29.83) |
1008.6 (29.78) |
1009.4 (29.81) |
1008.4 (29.78) |
1008.7 (29.79) | |
Source:
WorldClimate (
Temperature data)
(Rainfall data)
(Pressure data) Temperature and rainfall: 1961–1990 averages. Pressure averages: 1971–1988 averages. Derived from the Global Historical Climatology Network (version 1). |
but I am going to change it to this in accordance with Wikipedia:WikiProject Climate soon. Pafcool2 17:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ Croydon and Gatwick weatherbox}}
Good idea. But because of Croydon as a whole is closer to the weather base at Gatwick than the London based one at Greenwich, I think that it's more appropiate to have one for seperate articles as this may vary. The London Borough of Brent climate wouldn't be the same as Croydon or Gatwick, West London will vary from East so maybe is better to yet indivical articles have climate charts if they need one. Pafcool2 16:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Soory for that late reply. No, I belive that the ones for Inner London are done from Greenwich. Pafcool2 ( talk) 17:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I note that pafcool has recently reverted image size changes made by Reagan. I have no particular view on this, but larger images will certainly dominate 840 px width screens (less of them, these days, but a lot of smaller screens in - say - libraries and schools); there must be some compromise that will work on 840, 1040 and 1200 screens? Kbthompson 14:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I know that some screens may have there pages layed out in a different way, and respect that. But again, unless it is made a rule in the MOS on wikipedia, nothing needs to happen. I'm sorry if you have an older computer, but that's not my issue. Maybe if you use internet explorer instead of the actually companies internet program (i.e. AOL), that's what happened to me, so I changed and my sizes have been perfect since. Pafcool2 16:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is too long and two repetitive. I think I counted three separate references to Taberner House being compared to the Pirelli tower.
Also some of the paragraphs are way too long. I've split one of them up, but several of the others need attention. -- rossb 13:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it's about time we archive this talk page again. After the GA review which is kind of...well...big. I would do it but just to make sure someone else should. Also add to the new archive box i've added to the first section. Pafcool2 ( talk) 19:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)